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George Rebane

A main theme and designated category of posts in these pages is the idea of the Great Divide.  The idea has been growing for some years now as the country polarizes, taking opposite sides of achieving objectives for the future organization of society best summarized under Agenda 21 (q.v.).  While not embraced solely by a sizeable fraction of the Right, the Great Divide is vehemently rejected by the non-Hispanic Left.  Those on the Right acknowledge the overarching objective of a GD in the peaceful achievement of one or more territorial partitions of the US so that people can gather into jurisdictions where they feel that their government more closely represents their socio-economic ideologies.

The movements for partitioning, like the State of Jefferson in California (replicated in one form or another in at least eight other states currently), are encouraged by the polarized political wranglings in Washington and the various state houses.  And we must remind ourselves that these politicians really do reflect our own beliefs which today are so remote from each other that the hope for finding a ‘middle ground’ is now relegated to poets, songwriters, and charlatans.

OldGlory_ravagedPeggy Noonan’s piece – ‘Out of Many, Two’ – in the 2aug14 WSJ talks to the politicians’ contribution to the coming Great Divide.

If you, dear reader, are among the Left who will use Leviathan to resist to the bitter end any notion of a sustainable post-GD America, then you should be prepared to establish a world such as shown in the ‘Hunger Games’ future.  There the autocratic elites have enslaved and partitioned their ideological pariahs into enclaves that are managed as virtual prisons.  But you can be sure that those like me will not go quietly into such a dark night.

On a more dour note.  Reports are coming in daily of the various economically mismanaged nation-states beginning to question the efficacy of (classically) liberal democracy as the desired form of governance.  Most have dunned it through national dialogues questioning capitalism as the continued basis for their economies – even though they have not practiced capitalism in the years leading up to their economic debacles – because it is such a convenient strawman to demagogue to the teeming and huddled masses of their own making.  The direct corollary here is that you cannot destroy capitalism without collapsing the Bastiat Triangle’s other rights of individual liberty and security of your person (see under ‘RR Fundamentals’, upper right).

But the most direct assaults on liberal democracy are now coming from national leaders like Hungary’s Viktor Orban who are telling their people of the benefits of adopting the illiberal ways of countries like Russia, Turkey, and China – more in ‘The Illiberal Idea Rises’.  This new cohort of leaders have concluded that our Founders’ seminal question ‘Can Man govern himself?’, for which America was to be the Great Experiment, must now be answered with a resounding No!  The progressive Left came to that conclusion long ago, and has since busied itself with how best to keep the man behind the curtain concealed until the time is ripe.  Well, Obama’s ascendancy, re-confirmation, and take-no-prisoners presidency has told many in the world that the time for a new agenda of governance in the 21st century may well be now.  And by some coincidence that agenda already exists (see above) and comports to all the ideals of environmentally sensitive and socially just people in the world.  Oh happy days!

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19 responses to “Rumblings of the Great Divide”

  1. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    The Divide is a problem for liberals. They cannot exist without conservatives defending their freedoms at every turn and supporting them economically. Like supporting a starving artist or would be author.
    Conservatives on the other hand can exist quite nicely without liberals. Thus the dilemma for the Marxists and the fool on the hill.

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  2. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Here is just the latest salvo from the left –
    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/eric-scheiner/rep-delauro-tax-every-teaspoon-sugar
    There is literally no end to what the left seek to control in our lives.
    This is also another great example of why I can not fathom the lefts’ claim to posses any sort of rational thought. They want less consumption of sugar, so they will increase the cost of sugar. It costs more – ergo – less purchased. They claim to want more employment – so they do every thing they can to make it cost more to hire some one. What???
    I have never been able to get anyone from the left to explain this kind of perverse logic. Is it no wonder we have a sharp division in this country as to the way forward?

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  3. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Oops – possess – not posses. Not enough coffee, yet.

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  4. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Scott Obermuller | 04 August 2014 at 09:34 AM
    They don’t really care about sugar but they are proglodytes so you can be sure they really, really want the money. Any pretext will do! They claim they want people to consume less sugar so they can sell the tax to gullible nitwits (who shall remain nameless here but have, as an example, reputations for either a deep and abiding love of Chili Fries or in another case are so devoted to their “faith” of progressivism that logic and reason has died within them)! Once the tax hits and consumption of the vile substance falls, with a not unanticipated drop in revenue, they wail that the less fortunate are being denied what they are owed due to the drop in taxes collected and that “steps need to be taken to remedy the situation immediately”.
    It happened with Meatheads cigarette tax it’ll happen with this!

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  5. George Rebane Avatar

    While somewhat connected to the current topic, George Boardman’s column in today’s Union is more apropos to the SoJ post and my thoughts about it have been included there as its 4aug14 update. I draw your attention to it.
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2014/07/state-of-jefferson-townhall-in-penn-valley.html

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  6. Walt Avatar

    LIBS may care to ponder this. If their ideals are SO great and perfect, then why has so many doing the damned best to cut ties with those ideals? The breakup of Ca. has gained steam, Arias of Colorado are looking to do the same, and a part of Wa. isn’t far behind.
    Since “O” and Co. have had their grimy paws on things, the nation is more divided than ever.
    The U.S. is the laughing stock of the world.
    LIBS have done a bang up job of messing with the works. And all in the name of “fairness”.
    News flash. Nothing is ever fair. No matter how you try and rig things.
    Digging in my pockets because I worked hard to make a buck, just to give it to a dead beat who has no work ethics, and lives to live off someone else is not sound thinking. But LIBS think so…

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  7. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Boardman is the usual ‘middle of the road’ lefty. He has tipped his hand in some of his columns. I love the fact that he challenges only the conservatives in his latest piece. What about the left that constantly howls for pure democracy? His piece points to the various pure democracy measures that were passed by the ‘people’ and were summarily thrown out by the courts. And he does correctly point to the big reason as to why that occurred. Our state govt simply wouldn’t go to bat for the ‘people’. Shouldn’t the challenge be to the left on this issue?
    The major problem I have with him is that he correctly identifies the problem as a constitutional officer not doing their job and ‘solving’ the problem by creating another state officer. In private industry if a person is not doing their job you replace them with someone who will do the job, not create another position to do the job of the other non-performing person. There is obviously no better chance of the new person in the new multi-billion dollar bureaucracy doing the job they are supposed to do than the current AG doing the job they were supposed to do in the first place.

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  8. George Rebane Avatar

    ScottO 727pm – Hope you repost your comment under the SoJ piece in which I introduce Boardman’s column.

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  9. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Oh – I posted it here because you mentioned it here, but cntrl+c and cntrl+v will take care of that little issue.

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  10. George Rebane Avatar

    Thanks Scott.

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  11. Fuzz Avatar
    Fuzz

    George, I understand your argument here, but the frequent problem with positions of this sort is the “sweeping generalization” nature of the picture painted. You’re either a “right thinking free-market freedom loving conservative capitalist” or you’re a “duped ignorant tax-grubbing progressive free loader”. There is no “purity” test for either conservatives or liberals because nobody can put you in a box that tight….your views are like fingerprints, all slightly different. I’m far more conservative than any Democrat on fiscal matters but I’m far more liberal on, say, the environment than most Republicans. Among conservatives, you have social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, and mixtures of the two. Some conservatives are atheists and could care less about religious arguments against abortion….even considering that an invasion of privacy. When the Founders initiated the Great Experiment, they started off with a glaring contradiction to “Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness”……. slavery. The Pilgrims, who arrived here seeking freedom to practice their religion and live freely, learned each Sunday about the inherent depravity of man and his sinful nature, cured only by the saving grace of God. If we’re all inherently sinful, our experiment in self-government is going to be riddled with human flaws and foibles, such as “greed”. So, Tobacco companies conduct internal research which clearly shows smoking causes cancer, and want to keep that info private….. got to protect those profits. “Liberals” sleuth out that corporate info and drag them up to testify at a subcommittee hearing. This leads to a new “regulation” (health warnings on each pack) and another block in the dividing wall. Does Conservatism say “caveat emptor”…tobacco companies have the right to keep that info private and smoking is simply your choice?? Nobody is born wanting “regulation”…..4 year olds hate to be spanked….. but who becomes the Great Parent of America? We are a seething mass of individuals, with widely varying world views, motives and abilities, and trying to keep this ship off the rocks requires constant attention and debate by good thinkers of ALL persuasions. Be wary of those too quick to size you up and throw you in the ideological dumpster. Hard “Us” vs. “Them” thinking, from any political viewpoint, is not helpful. Please understand….. I don’t want government Leviathan any more than you do but I don’t want corporate Leviathan either. I think the biggest threat to our nation is the general ignorance so amply demonstrated when Bill O’Reilly sends Jesse Watters out to talk to the (frequently) college age crowd. The answers from many of these young people are frighteningly ignorant. Thomas Jefferson warned us about the consequences of that.

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  12. George Rebane Avatar

    Fuzz 231pm – I have never taken the ‘either or’ stance that you mention – a careful reading of this blog is testimony to that. Yes collectivism takes many forms on it paths towards autocracy – especially in the age of dumbth and technology. And we have yet to try any modern version of the Austrian school et al that may or not lead to anarchy. We are definitely a country too big and multifarious to allow people of widely varying beliefs to govern themselves, hence the arguments for and implementation of ever more liberty robbing regulations so that public order is maintained. There are other approaches to organizing society, many of which have been explored here.

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  13. fish Avatar
    fish

    …and in the I am totally shocked department.
    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/384880/guti-rrez-two-million-new-latino-voters-will-swamp-gop-joel-gehrke
    I guess Jay Leno was right…..they always were considered “unregistered democrats” by the progressives in congress.

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  14. fish Avatar
    fish

    Following up on some of the events of the day (and the past few weeks) it seems to me that Barry O is indeed a “transformative president”. He is, as he promised, “fundamentally changing the United States” (indeed the the rest of the world as well)….unfortunately for the US (and the rest of the world) his changes are akin to the changes wrought by allowing a retarded child to take the controls of a helicopter full of Ginsu knives.
    Just my 2 cents….any of you Obama defenders out there want to defend your guy, let me know and we’ll chat!

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  15. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    “In 24 hrs both Joe Biden & Nancy Pelosi referred to Africa as a ‘nation,’” one person said on Twitter. “Is this a great country or what? You can get to the top ignorant!”

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  16. George Rebane Avatar

    BillT 856pm – and here our liberal readers believe that we go overboard when we call these idiots butt stupid.

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  17. fish Avatar
    fish

    Oh jeffy….why can’t you just stick to food…..tis truly where you are in your “wheelhouse” to hew to your recent nautical theme.
    Why must you don you thuper hero outfit and attempt to thave our community™ from the evil Thue McGuire?
    An excerpt from todays crime fighting activities…..
    “Whether or not the State of Jefferson succeeds it’s an educational experience for ignorant people who don’t have the slightest idea, nor respect for human rights, our Constitution and what made America a place for people to enjoy.”
    A Tea Party-backed group called “Americans for Good Government” is working behind the scenes in our community to fill open seats on boards and commissions throughout the county and local cities with like-minded candidates.
    I think we can include Sue in the mix. Details are here.

    http://tinyurl.com/save-us-jeffy

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  18. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Posted by: fish | 09 August 2014 at 07:32 AM
    I believe the first paragraph is a direct quote from Ms. McGuire Fish….you might want to accurately attribute it.

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  19. fish Avatar
    fish

    I might….but I led with it as an excerpt from jeffys crime (thoughtcrime in this case) fighting antics, but I suppose in the interest of accurate and “fair minded” reporting I should offer a disclaimer.
    ATTN: It should be noted that the italicized portion of my 9 August 2014 @ 07:32 AM is not the whole of the post that can be found at jeffys under;
    Local Tea Party VP McGuire still politicking for supervisor?
    Posted on August 9, 2014 by jeffpelline
    My excerpt was to demonstrate that I felt that jeffy was engaged in “community service related” activities directed towards he opposes politically and that he felt that Sue McGuire should be included in the legion of bad thinkers residing in your neck of the woods.
    ….so I might not.

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