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George Rebane

In genereal liberals are not stupid; many of them just have bad luck when they think.  (However, this cannot be said of California liberals).

As we await details of the House suit against this Executive, it might be good to remind ourselves what kind of thinking has put the country into a tailspin.

1. When you are against government providing a service or subsidizing a class of people, you are immediately pilloried as wanting to deny everyone the benefits of such service, or ‘waging war’ and/or ‘hating’ members of the subsidized class.  You stand loudly accused of this no matter that the service can be freely and widely obtained elsewhere without government funding.  And you are a hating warmonger no matter that you can demonstrate most government funding programs at worst exacerbate the stated problem, and at best are totally ineffective.

2. Given a uniform history of failures, the same government funded/imposed solution should be applied again because this time it really will work – besides, the data on past failures can simply be denied as partisan.

3. Messages from the wrong messengers need never be evaluated on their merits.

4. Government funded science should serve a prescribed social agenda and tailor its results accordingly.  Science not funded by government is prima facie suspect.

5. Imposing calcifying regulations on an area of rapidly evolving enterprise is always good, especially when done without any understanding of the enterprise or examination of the effect of the new regulations.

6. Tax rates have no impact on the practice of taxed activities, or how much of the taxed products/services will be available to and/or demanded by the markets.

7. Unmediated democracy based on universal suffrage and franchise is the best form of government.  Fair and just government results from allowing everyone to vote on everything.  In the aggregate, all people are informed, wise, and rational.  (Victor Davis Hanson gives us an overview here of what such people abet and abide.)

8. The government and the country are one.  If you criticize and oppose government, then you are not a loyal American and subject to sanction.

9. There should be no limit on what fraction of GDP is made up of government spending.

10. Jobs are created by judicious government spending, and destroyed by corporate greed.

11. Taxing corporations impacts only overcompensated management and speculators in the corporation’s shares.

12. Above a certain TBD level government owns essentially all of your earnings.

13. Above a certain TBD level government owns ALL of your property and can charge you rent for its use.

14. All debts public and private can be forgiven at the pleasure of the government.  All savings may be confiscated at any time for the public good.

15. The Founders erred when they provided Americans the means to vote with their boots, bullets, and ballots.  Voting should only be possible with ballots.

16. Equality can always be increased without diminishing liberty.

This is a partial list.  And recent examples of such thinking in action are readily available from the daily press.  Two come to mind today.

American corporations pay the world’s highest taxes, averaging about 40% when all federal, state, and local taxes are included.  This adds pressure to other reasons to relocate overseas – lower labor costs, taxes, proximity to world markets, less onerous regulations, declining access to investment capital, … .  The promised tax reform is not coming, so corporations have increased the pace of ‘inversions’ – merging with overseas companies so as to relocate their headquarters offshore and essentially become foreign companies.  This year we have already seen 14 inversions and more are cooking.

So what do the brainiacs in Obama’s administration propose, lower corporate taxes?  Nooo, SecTreas Lew wants Congress to pass more onerous restrictions that prevent such moves.  The collateral damage from such butt stupid solutions are manifold (more here and here).

Think tanks on the left are proposing that the top income tax rate be raised to 80% with an added 10% “wealth tax”.  This would be the latest in government’s trashing the Constitution’s takings clause and exercise of eminent domain for public use (SCOTUS essentially trashed the latter in Kelso v New London which allows government to transfer property from one private owner to a more favored private owner).  But the wealth tax is a dooser, any such tax is a constructive rent on the use of your former property which now tacitly belongs to the government (more here).

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75 responses to “Liberal Logic – always remarkable and harmful”

  1. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Posted by: fish | 23 July 2014 at 07:49 AM
    I find you conclusion humorous Fish since I am the one present at the source advocating for a more rational regulatory scheme, more access to capital for rural regions, regionally specific regulation to account for differences in implementation between urban and rural regions, limits on regulation through sunset laws and periodic review and elimination of regulation, performance metrics to measure and rationally assess the impacts and benefits of regulation, and multi-year state and federal budgeting to understand the costs and impacts of programs and regulation over their lifetime.
    Just seems like a more rational way to get change than succeeding from the Union.
    It is easy to sit on the porch and drink beer while reloading spent shells and complain between yourselves about a cartoon version of government that is out to get you.
    But what am I doing commenting here…the cartoon version of Nevada County is better left to its static frames which become even more apparent with the absence of interlocutors.

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  2. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Mr. Stevenfrish. Good luck with your reviews of outdated regulatory tomes, reviewing sunset clauses and establishing metrics. Better men than I have labored by the candle light well into the wee hours until dawn approached to no avail. Sunset clauses are usually extended and government does not even like the word metrics. Worse than fingernails on the proverbial chalkboard. One might be responsible for a program, but no one is accountable. Plus metrics are a real threat to our public servants and you are proposing taking food out of the mouths of their children. If Obama nor Reagon could not accomplish anything but mere window dressing concerning your endeavors, then….call me a cynic.
    Was it Reagen who said something like “The closest thing to eternal life on Earth is a government bureuarcy.” Have at it and I sincerely mean that. Maybe you can get some sense into the higher up’s senseless way of doing things. Who knows. “Can’t never accomplished anything.”

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  3. fish Avatar
    fish

    I find you conclusion humorous Fish since I am the one present at the source advocating for a more rational regulatory scheme, more access to capital for rural regions, regionally specific regulation to account for differences in implementation between urban and rural regions, limits on regulation through sunset laws and periodic review and elimination of regulation, performance metrics to measure and rationally assess the impacts and benefits of regulation, and multi-year state and federal budgeting to understand the costs and impacts of programs and regulation over their lifetime.
    Here Steve…..let me help shorten this for you:
    I find you conclusion humorous Fish since…bureaucratese……more bureaucratese……..still more bureaucratese… useless politicospeak rolled into a burrito wrapping full of empty administrative jargon…..and at the end a little holier than though posturing.
    See…isn’t that much more concise while saying pretty much the same thing.
    and this next line is just perfect…epic Frischianism!
    Just seems like a more rational way to get change than succeeding from the Union.
    How did this work it’s way into the discussion?
    But wait…there’s more!
    It is easy to sit on the porch and drink beer while reloading spent shells and complain between yourselves about a cartoon version of government that is out to get you.
    Gosh darn it Steve at this stage of the game you’ll accomplish almost as much if you just do a little “porch setting” and it’ll cost less. Don’t just do something stand there.

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  4. fish Avatar
    fish

    Hey…..Stay tuned for more good news from Shotgun Joe Biden!
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/07/22/Biden-Businesses-are-Hiring-at-Historic-Rates
    Jeez the only thing missing from that picture is the Captains Hat a’ la Judge Smales from Caddyshack!
    It’s easy to grin when your ship comes in and you’ve got the stock market beat. But the man worthwhile is the man who can smile when his shorts are too tight in the seat.

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  5. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Just seems like a more rational way to get change than succeeding [sic] from the Union.”
    Isn’t that better that than being ejected from The Union like Jeffie?
    What is it about the word “seceding” that remains elusive to the rent-seeking six figure CEO of the wretchedly misnamed Sierra Business Council? Steve, didn’t they teach you ‘good’ in that poli-sci program at Cal State Frisco?

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  6. fish Avatar
    fish

    What is it about the word “seceding” that remains elusive to the rent-seeking six figure CEO of the wretchedly misnamed Sierra Business Council?
    I’m guessing it’s “autocorrect”. I just got caught on “holier than though” (thou). I’ve had to back off on chastising people about spelling errors…..so many are machine aided these days.

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  7. fish Avatar
    fish

    Did anyone really think that all the fuss was really about the environment?
    http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/23/130-environmental-groups-call-for-an-end-to-capitalism/

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  8. fish Avatar
    fish

    WHAT???? Progressives suck up to quiet money just like those “others”?!?! That’s unpossible!
    http://freebeacon.com/politics/meet-gara-lamarche-head-of-lefties-koch-network/

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  9. Walt Avatar

    Well well…. ” America” is “now showing”! The parking lot was packed today as I drove by. LIB logic backfired, and someone had to eat crow. I don’t think it was a hot idea to ignore the local Conservative demographic.
    I remember well, when the owners of every movie screen in town refused to show
    the “rebuttal” to Mike Moore’s crapumentery. ( they are close friends of the Moore family) Yes, the “not” one percenter.( nine homes he owns… and LIBS whine about greed and carbon footprints) Maybe someone can see if he owns one or two here.
    Yup,, seems the never-ending calls to the theaters has paid off.
    OK Steve,, your up to bat. Brag about reading the book, and now you can see the film.

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  10. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Walt, good to see ya back in the saddle. Soon you will riding bulls and breaking broncs. Head em up and move em out, Rawhide.

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  11. Walt Avatar

    Not quite ” in the saddle”,,, but closer to being dragged with a foot caught in the stirrup. But I got my “timely” appointment at the VA,,, in OCTOBER….
    OH how heath care is SOOOO much better.. It sure would have been nice to have what I had before.

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  12. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Today’s second chuckle came from a shocked and dismayed editorial concerning getting folks in Southern Cal to take the drought seriously:
    “Getting individual Californians to take the drought seriously isn’t the only problem. When the SWRCB asked California’s 440 water suppliers to fill out a survey detailing their efforts to conserve water, 61 percent didn’t bother to reply.”
    It’s not nice to mock the liberal mindset, but I will say that the above mentioned mind set is beginning to resemble a Rodney Dangerfield routine.

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  13. fish Avatar
    fish

    Why does it always turn out that some animals are more equal than others?
    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/07/24/Greenpeace-in-Chaos-as-Staff-Call-for-Managers-to-Resign

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  14. Walt Avatar

    Fish. The story reminds me of a “local” ECO guy who gallivants all over the place at “other’s” expense.

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  15. Walt Avatar

    More LIB logic… But it only applies to “them”, and the excuses fly.
    http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/ap_77b8b0aa3a834b069eb1aeb620e2570e
    Plagiarism is fine and dandy. Now what if a Repub had claimed other’s work as their own? I think we know how that would have gone down….

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  16. Patty Haley Avatar
    Patty Haley

    Well, I don’t know where to begin. I must say I am very disappointed with the behavior I have witnessed. I thought men of your generation had more class. After living in Nevada County for seven years, I understand more ever more clearly the meaning of politics makes for strange bed fellows. I will now say adieu and wish you all luck with all your dreams and endeavors. Similar to the Middle East,I seriously doubt there will never be peace in Nevada County.

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  17. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    My, my, I am sooooo wounded.

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  18. fish Avatar
    fish

    Similar to the Middle East,I seriously doubt there will never be peace in Nevada County.
    Well I for one will take the high road and refrain from shelling/rocketing the local townsfolk.
    Who says I’m not a reasonable guy?

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  19. Walt Avatar

    My AR-10 hasn’t fired a shot in anger,, I haven’t seen bodies in the streets.
    Our “1ST” Amendment overpass has been real lonely lately.
    Even the local rag has been tame for some time. Save for the gripe about “America” getting passed over on opening night.
    Sorry,,.. That “indirect fire” has fallen a smidgen short.

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  20. Keen Observer Avatar
    Keen Observer

    I was nearly driven to incontinence by Patty’s last comment. This must be a first, dialogue on a local blog here in little Nevada County has been (without sarcasm) compared to the international and epic conflict between Israel and Hamas. The best irony in this can be found in the fact that this post was originally created to denigrate liberal logic.
    There is no way to have a discussion with someone whom compares mild discourse between less than 10 people to a historical conflict that encompasses the lives of millions. This is perhaps the most humorous situation of my day. Thank you Patty Haley for your patronage, please feel free to stop by here anytime and school us all in the liberal technique of erroneous comparisons and making mountains from anthills.
    On a side note, here is a very interesting read, complete with legitimate sources:
    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/07/23/blacklisted/
    It would be interesting to know how many tea-partiers and Jefferson statists make the blacklist.

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  21. George Rebane Avatar

    KeenO 400pm – A very keen and scary observation. Thanks for passing it on.

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  22. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Keen Observer | 24 July 2014 at 04:00 PM
    I think that almost all the badthinkers™ here are probably on the list…a list…..well maybe a couple of lists. Okay all the lists!
    You’re probably safe though Patty.

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  23. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    The liberal/Marist mind set is too predictable. Been waiting for someone like my Brother Ben to compare the current Hammas firing of missiles at civilian populations with the express to kill as many old ladies and little babies as possible WITH how we on this blog are treating the little people pouring in from Cental America or the big guy who is singlehandily currently causing a pasta shortage across Old Europe. Been waiting but Ben &Co are off to the monastry keeping their vow of silence. Oppps. Ben & Co. would be comparing me to a bully and comparing the little babies in The West Bank to how we treat Black Americans by not giving the teachers’ unions more money.
    Guilty as charged.
    here is something the liberals can never wrap their heads around:
    “We can forgive you for killing our sons. But we will never forgive you for making us kill yours.”
    Golda Meir, to Anwar Saddat just before the peace talks.
    Israeli (Russian-born) politician (1898 – 1978)
    She went on to say there will be no peace until the Arabs love their own children more than they hate us.
    Sounds kinda familiar.

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  24. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Oh, please don’t go Patty! You were such a good example of liberal logic. You drop by with an obtuse comment, refuse to elaborate or give any back up arguments, and then you call us names and leave. Well, we can all bookmark what little we did hear from you and drag it out to use as an example of how the left operates. Ta!

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  25. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    If this isn’t a prime example of liberal/Marist/Elitist/Obama mindset then there is not an example that exists. Has all the liberal mindset ingredients: Arrogance, shouting down speech and thoughts, denying others their right to assemble, mockery, shutting down others in a free speech zone, name calling and justification and rationalization of irrational emotional coming unglued at the very sight of those that do not bow to them.
    Can you say intolerance? Can you say arrogance? Can you say elitism? Can you say bully? Can you say detached from reality? There, I knew you could.
    Favorite lines are
    1). I am twice her age and have 3 degrees! Listen to me, not her.
    2). I have the moral authority so what I did was good.
    You can’t make this stuff up. And the good professor with 3 degrees and possesses the keys to moral authority is not teaching now, is not scheduled to teach in the fall or beyond, but is not missing a single paycheck. Thank your lucky stars that we, the immoral taxpayers of the Great State of California, keep paying her salary for doing squat.
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/25/university-california-santa-barbara-professor-pleads-no-contest-to-assault-on/

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