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George Rebane

[This is the addended transcript of my regular KVMR commentary broadcast on 30 May 2014.]

Next Tuesday June 3rd Californians vote in their mid-term primaries.  And the question of voter fraud resurfaces as regularly as clockwork.  Traditionally conservatives are concerned and see it as problem that needs fixing, and liberals see nothing to worry about except that such worries are really designed to deny the vote to their constituencies.  I believe both sides can make their cases.

The most obvious and hard to deny reality is that polls continue to show that Americans have concerns about our elections.  Only 2 out of 5 believe elections are fair, and more than half the voters have no “confidence in the honesty of elections.”


What causes such a poor view of arguably the most sacrosanct institution in our democratic republic?  Well, the documented stories of voter fraud, improprieties, and just plain incompetence in how elections are handled grow after every vote count.  One reason for all this is that our voting systems and governing laws are very decentralized.  What is required to vote in one state or smaller jurisdiction is quite different than the requirements in others.  To systematically detect fraud is therefore difficult due to the apples and oranges problems when comparing factors which indicate fraud.

Legitimate concerns also point to recent elections that have been decided by as few as a couple of hundred votes out of millions, elections in which subsequent irregularities of a much higher number were discovered that could have thrown the results in the opposite direction.

Moreover, everyone knows of stories such as the ones about ‘voter bloat’ where more people are registered to vote than there are residents living there.  Recently ten blue counties in Colorado turned up with such embarrassing numbers, and countless others are scattered across the country.  Reports from local election boards and county commissions constantly identify such infractions as non-citizens registered and having voted.  At the same time these officials claim that there is little they can do because there are no funds to properly investigate and pursue the violators.

Across the country voter databases are a mess.  In a 2012 study Pew Research reported that 2.75 million people had active registrations in multiple states.  Moreover, 24 million, or one out of eight, active registrations in the country are either totally invalid or “significantly inaccurate”, such as the 1.8 million dead people still listed as active voters.

And, of course, there is a history of outfits like ACORN which have been exposed and their staff members prosecuted for systematically attracting and coaching unqualified people in how to vote early and often.  That organization was disbanded, but quickly resurrected itself in multiple follow-ons that are as active as ever in their attempts to improperly influence elections.  In short, the beat goes on.

The often suggested cure for all this is to establish and issue voter-ID cards or national ID cards that can serve the same purpose.  Liberals pounce on this idea as a blatant attempt to harass and intimidate their traditional constituencies among the poor and uneducated.  And outfits like the Brennan Center at NYU have presented ‘research’ arguing against requirements for voter-ID and even proof of citizenship, claiming that millions would be kept from the polls.  On the other hand organizations such as Judicial Watch and Heritage Foundation have systematically deconstructed such research, demonstrating bias toward pre-conceived results in both their survey questionnaires and data analyses.  Adding to the confusion is the libertarian Cato Institute which argues against additional voter-ID requirements, stating that people already have sufficient identification to properly vet their qualifications to vote.

So what can we do?  Unfortunately, precious little.  First, remember to vote.  And if you do have the time and energy, then become a poll watcher either at a polling place or later at the county elections office.  Just make sure they don’t treat you as a potted plant and stick you in a corner where you can’t see anything, that’s against the law.

Finally, please take note that just because voter fraud prosecutions are few does not mean that there is little evidence of voter fraud.

My name is Rebane, and I also expand on this and related themes on georgerebane.com where the addended transcript of this commentary is posted with relevant links, and where such issues are debated extensively.  However my views are not necessarily shared by KVMR.  Thank you for listening.

[Addendum]  Judicial Watch has published ‘8 Things You Can Do Now to Help STOP Voter Fraud – A Citizen Guide to Ensuring Free and Fair Elections in 2014 and Beyond’ to advise voters at the grassroots level what to do to combat voter fraud.  And organizations like True the Vote provide an update of what’s going on nationwide in the fight to keep elections fair and open.  And to get a real snootfull on all sides of the issue, just google ‘voter fraud’.

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84 responses to “How Real is Voter Fraud?”

  1. fish Avatar
    fish

    I reached out an olive branch and you smack it away with searching for differences instead accepting the commonalities. So be it, it shows how little you actually understand the different types of political stripes. Progressives and libertarians find differences in economics and that is about it.
    Ben there can’t be commonalities when a fundamental tenet of progressivism requires coercive central authority. There was much “libertarian” talk during the run up to the 2008 elections as soon as President empty suit was elected that was all out the window….you progressives elected most destructive idiot in history….Obama did the impossible he made George Bush look presidential. I didn’t think that was possible.
    A new labor/progressive party.
    Well you feel free to get back to me when you pull your “new socialists” together….I’m sure they’ll only use union labor for the re-education camps.
    My score:
    Your Results
    Your PERSONAL issues Score is 100%
    Your ECONOMICS issues Score is 90%

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  2. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 31 May 2014 at 02:12 PM
    “Steve Frisch cracks me up. The self proclaimed “smartest guy” always name calls. Fantastic! You lefty readers out there pay attention now. Steve Frisch is the best you have. I feel deeply sorry for you and the country.What a hoot!”
    Todd, I think you are underestimating just how useless it is to debate idiots. Debating with smart people actually increases my knowledge. But when someone like Walt quotes an article to support their point, without even realizing that the case being made by that very same article is that they are wrong, well that is simply pointless. The Snopes article clearly debunks Walt’s claim, yet when pointed to it he refuses to even acknowledge the existence of the data that counters his point.
    At that point all one can do is mutter ‘jabberwocky’ and move on.
    The actual incidents of voter fraud are infinitesimal, a mere .000013%, yet to you, and Walt, and George and Barry, that is significant. In the case of you and Walt I think you dispute the number; in the case of George and Barry I think they are smart enough to know the numbers, yet CHOOSE to hold on to the fiction for political and ideological gain.
    One day you will either realize you are an idiot or die a fool. In the case of George and Barry, they will die knowing they duped poor should like you and Walt who are simply incapable of thinking freely.
    That is truly a sorry state of affairs, for you, and for the country, saddled with your idiocy.

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  3. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    That should read, “..they duped poor souls like you…”

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  4. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    But Steve Frisch, we all like Walt he is and has been an important man in the community. Nobody likes you Frisch, that is why we support those we like. Get used to it. You can call everyone names all the time as you do anyway. That only makes two things happen. One, we all laugh at you and two it reinforces why we know no one likes you. You are just dense apparently. A pariah in the county.

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  5. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Voter fraud is almost a non-issue in American elections. The number of confirmed cases is so small… that it is almost laughable.”
    -the big Frisch in the small pond
    It’s bloody amazing what you won’t find when you are trying hard not to find it.
    “Vote early and vote often!”
    -olde Chicago proverb

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  6. Walt Avatar

    It a good thing for you Steve, they outlawed dueling. Your constant insults would
    get you a waiting line for those seeking “satisfaction”. How well do you think you “may” have done before you got dragged to boot hill?
    Being the Lefty you are, I’m sure the rules would be broken ( or severely bent)
    for you to gain the needed edge. ( for a count of 20 paces, you would turn and fire at 19.. Even with someone else doing the counting)
    Now that I think about it, I need to talk to a friend of mine, and have him build two matching paint ball pistols. Then sell tickets.

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  7. Walt Avatar

    Gregory… You got another “Atta boy” in the paper today. Hat’s off to you Sir.

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  8. fish Avatar
    fish

    Here Ben another discussion of progressivism the you had at jeffys (with my scathing yet charmingly snotty response).
    They truly believe they earned everything in their lives on their own sweat, blood, and intellect despite being products and recipients of the progressive movement policies that dominated the New Deal and FDR administrations through the Johnson administration. Policies they now want to take away from others who need the same protection or help from the government that they received while coming up in the world.
    Now perhaps I’ve been too hasty…..maybe ol soft headed Ben is on to something…..I mean after all FDR and his policies did help the little guy…you know… kept the rapacious capitalists at bay and stopped them from losing their meager possessions.
    “I live near the Blue Ridge Parkway. It’s a gorgeous road cut through the mountains that runs from the Shenandoah through the Blue Ridge in Virginia all the way down to North Carolina. It was built on the destroyed lives of American kulaks – rural Southern mountain folks. To make way for the road, America’s Mussolini – Franklin Delano Roosevelt – had federal troops forcibly remove these rustics from what they thought was their land. Whole communities were excised. You can still view the sad remains of what were once people’s homes . . . or so they believed until the fed’s shock army advised them otherwise.
    Does the scenic beauty – the usefulness – of the Parkway wash away the horror visited upon those poor people? Of course it does not. We – most of us – simply blank it out. We enjoy the road. Just as we enjoy the land seized from the Indians and revere the likes of Andrew Jackson – an earlier tyrant who force-marched another group of kulaks off the land they once imagined (silly Indians!) to be theirs.
    But, could roads exist without wholesale evacuations and gross violations of property rights – all of it backed up by bayonets and bullets?
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/05/eric-peters/guns-bayonets-and-the-destruction-of-private-property/
    I never thought it possible that a caring progressive like yourself could endorse the fascistic, racist, authoritarian policies of monsters (Jackson, Johnson, Roosevelt) like these.
    Oh well it was probably for the best you know, eggs and omelets as it were. The quest for progress for the masses. Whats a few crushed and broken peasants on the march to bring fascism….err….progressivism to a poor benighted population when the “Right People” are at the helm.
    Anyway they were kinda in the south so I’m sure they were probably in favor of slavery too and like totally deserved having their shit taken from them…fucking racists. Serves them right. FDR probably should have had them killed…them and their spawn for daring to impede the peoples radiant progressive future….as an example to any others who might stand in the the way! Like Totally!

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  9. fish Avatar
    fish

    Does the scenic beauty – the usefulness – of the Parkway wash away the horror visited upon those poor people? Of course it does not. We – most of us – simply blank it out. We enjoy the road. Just as we enjoy the land seized from the Indians and revere the likes of Andrew Jackson – an earlier tyrant who force-marched another group of kulaks off the land they once imagined (silly Indians!) to be theirs.
    But, could roads exist without wholesale evacuations and gross violations of property rights – all of it backed up by bayonets and bullets?

    My bad…these passages are not mine and should have been made more distinctive to reflect this.

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  10. Ben Emery Avatar

    Fish,
    “Ben there can’t be commonalities when a fundamental tenet of progressivism requires coercive central authority.”
    Once again it shows how little you understand the actual agenda of progressives and libertarians. If you watch those who distrust the government the most it will be progressives. This is why George pisses me off when he equates the Democratic Party with being progressive. It boggles my mind at how you guys like to label me a big government guy when I have protested our government and its policies.for the last 30 years. At one time the Democratic Party was progressive but that party went away with LBJ, equality and justice is not coercive centralized government the rather the government in a very poor manner trying to guarantee equal access or opportunity. I generally disagree with the passed legislation because it almost always compromises the very principles that were trying to be addressed. The current Democratic Party is equivalent to the Republican Party up until Reagan era policies really took hold and corrupted our entire electoral system. The last 30 years the Dems have made a major shift right as did the Republican Party. That is why we have such a dysfunctional society and government at this point in time. The entire system has become corrupted with the ideology of corporatism, where corporations or the rec

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  11. Walt Avatar

    North Carolina Identifies 36,000 Possible Voter Fraud Cases
    http://www.newsmax.com/US/Carolina-voter-fraud-zombies/2014/04/03/id/563542/?promo_code=165C6-1
    Now there is a name for the massive scam. ” Zombie voters”
    That sure pokes a lot of holes in that “nonexistent” claim.
    4/21/14: Complaint Against Robert Garcia Suggests Voter Fraud
    A California mayoral candidate is alleged to have recruited between 15 and 20 non-voters to cast absentee ballots illegally in April. The formal complaint submitted to the Los Angeles County District Attorney states that candidate Robert Garcia hired a bus to transport the individuals into the district to request absentee ballots. Complaint Against Robert Garcia Suggests Voter Fraud , Hews Media Group, April 21, 2014.
    These guys have been keeping score. Have some time on your hands for a LONG read?
    So much for the “almost nonexistent” claim by LIBS.
    https://www.rnla.org/votefraud.asp Steve’s internet device may catch fire. It’s a Repub. lawyer website.
    Then we have the LIB take on things… http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
    The likes of Steve may want to give ” Repub. voter fraud” a search.. It pretty much a barren landscape, save for an isolated ” WE GOT ONE” moment or two.
    It seems “Repub” and “voter fraud” ( as in engaging in it) just doesn’t happen. At least not on the whole sale level LIBS have been known for.
    Yes Lefties,, you have done great in earning ” By any means necessary” tramp stamp.

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  12. Walt Avatar

    Ben…. JFK would be considered “far right” by today’s LIB standards.
    Now go count Polar bears.

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  13. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Mr. Anderson. Have fun at the ball park today, but watch out for all the fleas that have infested the buildings there. And keep you dog at home if possible in case the beloved pooch runs across the lower field lately known as “Parvo Park.”
    Brother Ben, please get over the taking of Injun land. We are big, they are small. We won, they lost. Taken by bayonets and bullets by Federal employees. Nothing has changed since Wounded Knee. To be fair, them squaws know how to chew leather to get it all nice and soft like there is no tomorrow. I used to have my ex grow her toenails really long so when I hitched her up to the plow, her long ugly nails would dig deep into the hard pan and pull me hard enough to break ground and dislocate my shoulder. That is why I respect my squaws, may God rest their weary souls. They were all Princesses, descendants of the Great Chief Grand Cherokee.
    Now, about the topic at hand. I am currently not registered to vote. That’s right. But some joker out there got my name and now I receive junk mail from the Democrat Party. Who in the Sam Hill would do that to me?? Ok, sicko, confess. Ha ha, very funny. Do I look like a Demo rat to you? Do I look like some gangrene oozing Liberal/Progressive/Commie Pink grunt sandwich? Very funny.
    Today I got another piece of ass wipe in the mail. It asks “How much will taxpayers pay for Supervisor Weston’s mistakes?” Then continues with an 2 page op-ed by Franny Cole. Just it was originally published in…drumroll please….in Yubanet. Yubanet? They got good fire coverage for sure, but are still looking for a few good men…er…uh….oppps…looking for real readers. Real readers are the ones that send them money. Sorry Yubanet, the real readers attended Nevada County schools so they can’t read so good. Thank goodness for spelchek.

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  14. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    “Franny” Cole? … “Jeffy.” … I think I see a pattern here.

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  15. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Yes, Fish is my evil twin. I am the nice one, ass wipe. We called her Franny walking to grade school, Dick Tracy. Opps, forget Tracy.

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  16. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    “4/21/14: Complaint Against Robert Garcia Suggests Voter Fraud
    A California mayoral candidate is alleged to have recruited between 15 and 20 non-voters to cast absentee ballots illegally in April. The formal complaint submitted to the Los Angeles County District Attorney states that candidate Robert Garcia hired a bus to transport the individuals into the district to request absentee ballots. Complaint Against Robert Garcia Suggests Voter Fraud , Hews Media Group, April 21, 2014.”
    Walt you do realize that that is 0.000013 % of the Long Beach vote right?
    And by the way I agree 100% that he should go to jail if that is true.

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  17. fish Avatar
    fish

    Once again it shows how little you understand the actual agenda of progressives and libertarians.
    Yes…I know…only Ben understands the true agenda of progressives! Tell you what….you’ve called me a fascist…an authoritarian…and a corporatist…all without evidence and in spite of my denials. You on the other hand have made statements such as that I quoted above……They truly believe they earned everything in their lives on their own sweat, blood, and intellect despite being products and recipients of the progressive movement policies that dominated the New Deal and FDR administrations through the Johnson administration. So which is it…do you claim the historical legacy of the guy who signed internment orders for Japanese-American citizens and prolonged the Great Depression and his Great Society buddy…Lyndon Baines “I’ll have them niggers voting Democratic for two hundred years” Johnson (From Ronald Kessler, Inside the Whitehouse, pp. 33-34:) or not? You can’t really have it both ways. Whatever progressivism has degenerated into, well that’s your legacy! President Empty Suit…he’s yours….sorry if he’s been a great disappointment but he’s still yours! A legacy that turned a big chunk of black America into “park bears” just waiting for the next picnic basket to break into…that’s yours too. A government that collected more tax revenue than at any time in history and still runs a deficit….well that’s not all yours…but a lot of it is.
    I’m happy to chat about what inroads progressives can make with the libertarians after you first clean your own house. For now Ben progressivism is just part of the ravenous state, forever in search of more money and more interference in areas they have no business in.
    It would appear that we are way past the tipping point of what a society should provide for a citizen….your stealing from the future Ben. They’re not likely to be happy when they figure out what you’ve bequeathed them.
    “Franny” Cole? … “Jeffy.” … I think I see a pattern here.
    Shut up fatty.

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  18. fish Avatar
    fish

    Yes, Fish is my evil twin. I am the nice one, ass wipe.
    That’s the nicest thing I’ve heard today….bless you Bill!

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  19. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Walt you do realize that that is 0.000013 % of the Long Beach vote right?”-Frisch
    The CEO of the wretchedly misnamed Truckee 501c3 seems to think Long Beach has about 154 million voters. The actual number of ballots cast in the 2010 mayoral election was about 35,000.
    Pull off that fraud of 20 votes 9 times and you’ve given yourself a half percent edge… does Frisch think this was the first and only time these guys tried this fraud out?

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  20. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Excellent point Greg. When I ran for election the man from the Third District Supe race had won hs last two by 9 votes and 11 votes. Now that we have such a divided country it is much more important to ensure that voter fraud is curtailed. A US Senate race can be as close as 1% or less. Hell Bush beat AlGore by just a few. So as every vote is important, every honest vote is even more important. TheFrisch does not have a clue.

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  21. John Avatar
    John

    It is so entertaining when jeffy joins the party! Please don’t go away yet jeffy. Soon, just not yet.

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  22. Ben Emery Avatar

    Walt,
    Sorry, JFK would be a virtual communist by todays standards as would Nixon and Reagan. I could give many examples but don’t want to waste my time with it.
    Let me introduce you to one of the most conservative congressmen of the 1980’s who says if he were to run today he would be one of the most liberal congressmen.
    Mickey Edwards
    Reclaiming Conservatism
    http://wws.princeton.edu/news-and-events/news/item/mickey-edwards-authors-new-book-reclaiming-conservatism
    “But today, Edwards argues, the mantle of conservatism has been taken over by people whose beliefs and policies threaten the entire constitutional system of government. By abetting an imperial presidency, he contends, so-called “conservatives” have gutted the system of checks and balances, abandoned due process, and trampled upon our cherished civil liberties.
    The author contends that today’s conservatives endorse unprecedented assertions of government power–from the creation of secret prisons to illegal wiretapping. Once, they fought to protect citizens from government intrusion; today, they seem to recognize few limits on what government can do. Edwards warns that the movement that was once the Constitution’s–and freedom’s–strongest defender is now at risk of becoming its most dangerous enemy.”

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  23. Ben Emery Avatar

    Fish,
    You are truly clueless of what being progressive is all about. Wanting equality, the legal right to organize/ strike/ collectively bargain, suffrage for all, putting checks on big business, having representation for the people not industry, and so on. In a progressive government taxes might be high but the role of government is relatively small. Tax revenue just like home ownership will always be at record highs unless we have an absolute crash of the economy or decline in population, so to make claims of highest revenue is pointless. What you forgot to mention we have 80 year lows of taxation at the moment. Effective tax rates top 1% is around 16%, corporate effective income tax rate is 12%, 1/3 of the economy in 1950′- 1980’s in the US was manufacturing and around 8% was financial, today those numbers are inverted. The top 1% has never had it better in the US while the people have rarely had it worse.
    Good governance requires a strong but small scale government. When we get people representation as the entire executive FDR – LBJ governments were we then see a government able to balance budgets and see a thriving population who needs less government assistance because they are compensated at work with enough to live a comfortable standard of living. That is where we have fallen, we have a government who represents the best interests of the bottom line of big business, especially the financial/ pharmaceutical/ military complex, instead of the needs of the American people.
    We are a dying empire that didn’t learn the lessons of past empires. The further away from home a country needs to expand to sustain its lifestyle the more resources goes into building the empire instead of its people. It is a cancer.

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  24. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 1257pm – Did you ever consider that former congressman Mickey Edwards may be a blithering idiot? No, let me rephrase that. Did you ever consider that Mr Edwards’ ideology has noticeably drifted leftwards, and that you just may have misrepresented him as having been “one of the most conservative congressmen of the 1980s”? After all, you do claim that he puts the blame on Republicans for all that the Democrats have done in recent years, continue to do today, and promise even more of the same for the future.

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  25. Walt Avatar

    Where did you dig up “Stretch” Armstrong Ben?, Nixon and Reagan?? Commies???,, Really????
    Put down whatever your ingesting, and seek professional help. Not even JFK fits that fractured fairytale. Where is McCarthy when we need him? Commi-ism has hit us like the plague it is. ( you sure fit the “good party member” mold)
    Steve.. Like I said,, the “one or two” We found one!!( a repub playing dirty)
    And yes, if the Somebitch monkeyed with the process, out the door, and prosecute.
    But LIBS don’t do that. They cover, make excuses, deflect, and circle the wagons to protect the fraudster. Who and when was the last crooked LIB the party kicked to the curb? Nope,, they get re elected, and the dirtier the better.
    The Dems played no part in the ousting of Nixon. The Repubs did all the work.
    Yet when history repeats itself with an even more slimy Pres. ( except LIB this time) the result is vary different.
    And just this weekend “O” breaks the law again, going around Congress with this asinine “prisoner exchange”.
    Now EVERY American outside the U.S. is now a “bargaining chip” target.
    You now can make excuses for “O” on this new issue.

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  26. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    “Good governance requires a strong but small scale government.” Exactly Brother Ben, we see eye to eye.
    All LBJ did was expand government to unheard levels at the time. He created bureaucracies for building slums and projects and what a waste that was, judging solely and exclusively by results. Heck, we should eliminate the Department of Education since that is the states’ responsibility and have some clerk in the bowels of the White House pass out student loans. That is all they are capable of doing anyhow, anyway.
    President Abraham Lincoln ran the entire Civil War with the Secretary of War and one assistant. That’s it. Now we have over 100 lawyers in the White House Political Office alone, not to mention the hundreds of various lawyers involved in the White House Public Relations, White House Media Office, White House Policy Office, ad infinitum.
    Have you ever seen the list just for waterways in DC?? Departments of Water, from A to Z. There is even a Department of Dams in DC that has not built a dam in nearly 50 years! All they do is have a boatload of chair warmers surf porn all day and send a very very very few clerks out into the field to extort money from dam operators, citing them and fining them even when their calculations are off by two decimal points. Their error, but pay anyway. Justify spending another 100 million on new office furniture. Probably the old chairs got cum stained. That is what I think of government, our enemy. The enemy of the common man. The enemy of the founders of this nation. The enemy of the Constitution of the United States of America. We are a nation where the Constitution reigns supreme, not some faceless libhole econut prune hidden behind the curtain.
    Ben, you say you want a meaner, leaner government. But every time you open your mouth, you want more laws, more government, more this, more of anything and everything to right the wrongs of plain ole human nature. You desire to control lawful human behavior. Strike that. You long to control human nature and put everything in its proper place. Must be frustrating trying to get the square peg in the round hole. Blame the 2 party system! Its all their fault.
    In a perfect world, every one would be happy and there would be no greed or sorrow, no theft, lies, cheating, nor stomping on people’s feet….except them evil doers who believe in the RIGHTS of all creatures to be born and those gawd awful 1%ers. Then it is ok to stomp on their feet and rend them asunder. Someone please gag those hideous evildoers because I disagree with them. They are not beautiful children of the universe and neither the 1%ers or pro-LIFE extremists have a right to be here.
    You can’t make dumb smart and you, my friend, are an evil doer hiding behind the cloak of good intentions. Your solutions do more harm than our present problems. Hey, lets build a bullet train to Colfax! Its for the little people with no voice.
    https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t1.0-9/10292540_10152115872195911_742108681202099766_n.jpg
    https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10257856_10152094712510911_7996793156469229073_n.jpg

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  27. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Walt,
    It all is starting to make sense. You guys have a hard time dealing with change and the fact during the Lincoln era the total population of the United States was 23,000,000 (3 million were considered property) and global population was just over a billion. The entire US had 106 counties, today in California we have around 60 counties and 33,000,000 people. It appears you guys think despite the massive population surge in the last 150 years plus increase in energy consumption across the planet has forced us to rethink how to govern. You guys seem to think we can govern the same way we did when land/ resources seemed unlimited. You guys would be wrong!
    Leaner meaner government that would represent the interests of the people instead of large institutions/ industries the laws would be a fraction of what they are today. If people were represented instead of industries/ institutions it would be illegal to pay full time workers below a living wage, no benefits, and no retirement. If we did this welfare programs would become almost obsolete compared to today. If corporations and top marginal tax income actually paid their taxes we would have more than enough money. If we would shrink the US military/ Pentagon budgets we would have plenty of money to go around. If we would undue the Medicare Part D law we would have enough money. If we would protect American jobs we would have enough money. A few billionaires who avoid the taxes that end up in the coffers is much less than payroll taxes from living wage manufacturing workers who actually can afford to live and pay into the system but not enough to have high priced lawyers to find loopholes or bribe political parties to insert those loopholes.
    You have to look at the entire picture not just one issue at a time.

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  28. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Ben Emery | 01 June 2014 at 01:17 PM
    Never has more pure unadulterated incoherence been vomited forth in defense of the faith. I wish you well with your project for good governance Ben.

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  29. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Illegal to pay someone below living wage? Me thinks you forget about the law of consequences. For every action, there is an equal reaction. Your solution will result in what is now known as “part-timers”.
    Undue Medicare Part D law? My, that’s listening to “the people”. That’s being a responsive government now isn’t it. Toss them old residents out of Wrinkle Village straight into the Marble Orchard. Quality of life issues does not count when it comes to the choices preferred by our seasoned citizens. You be an evil doer.
    No need to shrink the military budget. We have gone from hated, feared, and revered to a laughingstock. Just last week the Philippines concerning its squabble with Chinese fishermen illegally invading its waters said “We cannot depend on the US to help us.” We are now known from Eastern Europe to the Middle East to points beyond as unreliable, undependable, as weak. That makes the world a more dangerous place, not more peaceful as evil doer control freaks across the world see us running with our tail between our legs leaving behind a trail of broken promises. You know, just like the control freaks that are trying to turn our country into something it is not or ever was intended to be. Kinda like putting some perverse bastardized notion of common good ahead of the individual.
    Cutting welfare rolls via good jobs? Surely you jest. Very funny Benjamin. We have paid a couple of generations not to work since LBJ work and they did not work. By the 3rd generation it is ingrained. Somebody has to pay for my children. Somebody has to pay me for not working. Somebody HAS TO pay me NOT to work. What you sow is what you reap. It this sense, Clive was right. Unproductive lives are worse than being slaves. Idle hands are the devil’s workshop and all that stuff. Sure Benjamin, snap your fingers and have people suddenly jump off the gravy train and seek and obtain employment. Sure, break the promises that The Great Society made to them. That would cause rioting in the streets…..telling people they have to get up and show up to a job rain or shine. You be an evil doer.
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  30. Bonnie McGuire Avatar

    The problem is lack of experience in certain areas. Those who’ve never had their own business and the experience of what it requires to not only survive, but hire workers and deal with their problems…haven’t the slightest idea of what it takes. And most people who depend on working for others usually don’t have the ambition, nor credit, nor bravado to go into their own business. Most people who go into government go to college paid for by mom n’ dad, or take out a loan they do or do not pay back, and hope for a good job with high pay and benefits paid for by tax payers in the private sector. They really don’t know where the money comes from and could care less….just so they get theirs. Oh yeah it’s been discussed that those in gov jobs pay taxes too, but the fact is the money they pay with is recycled tax money from the private sector. That’s why economists used to say that if government gets bigger than those in the private sector supporting it….look out for some major problems concerning taxation and freedom. The ignorance concerning the economy by those in government is appalling. Our Afghanistan Ambassador cousin was home for a visit years ago where our government was spending billions of dollars to help that country’s economy. So a friend and I started talking about what our government was doing to our businesses with excessive regulations they had to deal with. I noticed the expression on his face was shock. He’s a nice person, but went from college to government when Nixon was President…and has been working with Presidents and Secretary’s of State ever since he started. But he has no idea about the private sector that pays for all of it. His father, my uncle also went as high as he could in government. A very nice gentleman also. Once I proudly mentioned our trucking business, and he lightly replied that the really big money to be made was in government. And that was before the labor unions took over….and the human tendency “what’s in it for me” that became first priority.

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  31. Walt Avatar

    Ben. Contact the W.H. .. “O” and Co. need you. They are running out of “good party members”.
    Your “expertise” of full blown Marxist ideals will be welcomed by friends of “O”.
    Now polish up those jackboots to make a good impression.
    You still have two years to help “O” find a way around the term limit.
    BTW.. A S.F. lunatic is on the loose with explosives, and poison. ( Heavy into politics they say)
    Funny how his political leaning isn’t “reported”… That means he’s a Leftist. If the guy has “radical Conservative views” that news would even be on our own The Union front page.

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  32. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Back to voter fraud. Its real. Some will pooh-pooh it as only a itty bitty teeny weeny percentage. That saddens me. That means my vote may not count as it is counteracted by fraudulent votes.
    What chaps my hide is this clamor of racism each and every time a proposal for voter ID is raised. Our justice department is against it, the NAACP is agin it, Obama is agin it, the ACLU is agin it, and probably 99% of academia and every chauffeur driven New York liberal is agin it. Of course all progressives are agin it.
    Just mention voter ID and Jim Crow Laws are raised from the dead, along with some straw man literacy test, the post Civil War south, and 689 zillion years of racism/slavery/injustice comes to the forefront.
    I see it differently. I see those opposed to making my vote count and the sanctity of the voting booth are the real racists. They assume that black folks and Hispanics/Latinos/Chicanos as just too dumb and tooooo stupid and toooo incapable to obtain a valid ID. These libholes group our minorities (excluding Asians) as not having to wherewithal in 2014 to get an ID.
    To combat these charges, states offer free State ID cards and even will pick ID seekers up and drive them to the DMV or equivalent ID issuing office. Sure, we all have lost our wallets in our lives or misplaced our ID’s. Sometimes we left them in an unlocked vehicle and they have been stolen. I know one time I was on a deep sea fishing trip and was puking my guts out over the railing when my wallet went overboard along with my fish chum. I did not need any organizations’ help to get a replacement ID. Is it because of the color of my skin? Is it? Must be that white bread pumping through my veins.
    So, them liberal progressive pinko commie elitists have drilled into our consciousness that black people and Latinos are inferior cause they cannot obtain a valid ID card without it being free and providing a free shuttle, unlike us superior ones that don’t need such help. Of course the minorities are to lame and poor and inferior to call the local ID office so we give them Obama phones. Hmmm. Looks like no passport for them nor boarding a thing called a commercial jetliner, ever. They are classified by our overseers as stupid as a bucket of rocks because of the color of their skin. Martin Luther King is rolling in his grave.
    Shame, shame on these racists political correct ones who decide who is capable and who is not. Truly shocking in their arrogance and racism. The protectors of the faceless anonymous little people are the true plantation owners. Shame, shame. No worries to those who get nose bleeds looking down at the lower inferior classes from their lofty perches. You can’t shame them. Being progressive/liberal/pinko means never having to say “I was wrong.” They give themselves a free pass.
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  33. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    ‘POWER TO THE correct PEOPLE’ – Ben
    [well, a paraphrase of Ben’s recent screeds]
    The mathematically challenged Frisch ignored my 8:16AM shaming of his failed shaming of someone else. He was only off by a factor of ~4,400.

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  34. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Curious to hear Brother Ben’s plan to bring manufacturing jobs BACK to the good ole USA. Do we all hold hands and make pinky promises to buy only American made products? Do we suddenly undo the decline in our manufacturing base that has been going on since, well more than a decade. What about the red tape in various and sundry locales? What about the EPA, the mountains of paperwork, rules, regulations and permits. Where will these plants be built? Sounds like his nice idea is legions of lawyers wet dreams. But, I am all ears, pinky promise. Meanwhile I will toss my obscene foreign made cell phone and buy a cheapo one made on US soil tomorrow…for less. Its for the folks on welfare and I must think of others.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michele-nashhoff/manufacturing-jobs_b_1382704.html

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