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Big government is good, and bigger government is even better – A progressive rubric

George Rebane

This year’s concurrence of Memorial Day and Obama’s latest scandal involving VA healthcare invited a lot of discussion about the latter under RR’s posting on the former.  Perhaps we can continue the exchange under its own banner, so to speak.

The VA scandal has a number of debatable attributes –

1. Government does poorly when it seeks to provide services.  This is most apparent when it seeks to provide services that people actually need like healthcare and training.

2. The VA has delivered subpar healthcare for decades under Republican and Democratic administrations.  However, since Democrats have controlled Congress for most of the post-war years, VA funding can fairly be seen as an expression of liberal funding policies.

3. The VA is a behemoth of a government bureaucracy employing over 300,000 federal workers and consuming about $150B annually.  It can easily serve as the poster child of all that goes wrong when government gets too big.

4. President Obama made VA healthcare a major thrust of his administration, and then promptly ignored it until the scandal broke late last year.

5. Since the VA’s manipulation of waiting lists fraud surfaced last year, the administration has done nothing to alleviate the pain, suffering, and deaths caused by corruption in that agency.  (Congress granted VA the ability to voucher veterans for private sector healthcare since 2000.  Claiming that as a current response is a cynical lie.)

6. Illustrating how Congress responds to obvious VA corruption and mismanagement, majority leader Sen Harry Reid has labeled the horror stories coming out of VA hospitals as “all lies”.  (Here is the latest in the stream of such stories that has now become a torrent as physicians and other VA hospital workers come forward.)

7. President Obama continues refusing to say or do anything material about the scandal, claiming that nothing can be done until the investigation is over.  But the investigation is only required to identify the miscreants in charge of “losing documents, cooking the books, and covering up” (Sen Blumenthal – D Conn), and not to confirm for the thousandth time that veterans are denied proper healthcare and are dying while languishing on fraudulently managed wait lists.

8. The ongoing debate between conservatives and liberals about how the problem should be solved resides again between 1) first reforming the broken and corrupt management of VA, and 2) simply throwing more money into the same rathole.  (Consider that the VA budget has already more than tripled in the last thirteen years while the healthcare horror stories have multiplied.)

So now we have prominent progressive pundits again covering up corruption and incompetence in government by doubting the sincerity of conservatives who have resisted the ‘more money down the same rathole’ remedies proposed by Democrats in Congress.  Some have gone as far as ol’ Harry who denies the existence of the problem.  And then there's the local liberal leader who had to fabricate and attribute a direct quote to me – "I support the Veterans but I oppose giving any more money to the programs that can help them." – in order to bolster his stale prescriptions for fixing a long-festering problem.  It’s the same with a clunker that finally breaks down; pouring more fuel in the gas tank is not going to fix it – someone should first look under the hood.

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48 responses to “The VA Fiasco – some thoughts”

  1. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Big government is good, and bigger government is even better – A progressive rubric
    George Rebane
    Nope, that might be applicable for “liberal” rubric but most definitely not a progressive one. Progressives are just as if not more skeptical of government than conservatives and libertarians. That is why progressive and libertarians agree on so much. For a person with high credentials you seem to be very vigilant against the idea that progressive and liberals are different much like conservatives and libertarians.

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  2. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 111pm – Please develop your argument, especially emphasizing your contention that progressives agree with libertarians on the benefits of a limited government.
    And please, your last accusation cuts me to the quick. As these pages long attest, I’m too much of a semanticist to accept the usage of the distinct labels ‘liberal’ and ‘progressive’ to have the same precise meaning.
    It might be of benefit to review some detailed thoughts on this that I posted some years back.
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2011/11/the-liberal-mind-how-much-socialist-before-being-a-socialist.html

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  3. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    First let’s dispel the falsehood that I attributed the statement in quotation marks above to you George.
    The first rule of quotation marks listed in Writers Digest Guide to Grammar is, “First, they are used to enclose words and phrases to which special attention needs to be drawn.”
    In this case I was not quoting you, I was paraphrasing you, and specifically did not attribute the word to you. If I had meant to attribute them I would have said, “George said, “…..”
    Sorry to be a grammarian on you, but it was an intentional paraphrase.

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  4. George Rebane Avatar

    stevenfrisch 310pm – I come from a more exact school of written rhetoric about which I have expounded before. Semi-quotes are to be used for words and (para)phrases to which special attention needs to be drawn, to include indication that their meaning is to be taken in jest or cynicism. In expository writing full quotes are in the realm of ‘holy of holies’, they are NEVER to be used except to indicate the words that someone identifiable has actually said and/or written. Example: when I have attributed ‘A nation ignorant and free, that never was and never shall be’ to Thomas Jefferson, it must be in semi-quotes since that is my compact summary of what he took two or three sentences to say.
    BTW, I don’t think that you were even paraphrasing me, since I cannot find any ‘phrase’ I used that comports with what you quoted. But as I indicated in my post, what you did was to construct a false summary of what I had written about VA funding and my support of veterans in general, that in order to build the easy target that your subsequent argument required.

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  5. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    I will stand by the rules laid out in the Writers Digest and you can comport to your own iconoclastic rules 🙂

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  6. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Progressives are just as if not more skeptical of government than conservatives and libertarians. That is why progressive and libertarians agree on so much.”
    This is a fantasy some progressives hold; progressives are skeptical of government only when they aren’t the ones in the driver’s seat.

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  7. Walt Avatar

    Good Lord!…. I know I can’t be reading this right.
    “Progressives are just as if not more skeptical of government than conservatives and libertarians”.. I better go check that new bottle of hootch.. I’m positive I haven’t opened it yet.
    Be it Progressive or LIB( Progressive lite),, BIG government in every aspect of our lives and property is the collective wet dream.
    The only thing “skeptical”,, is not ENOUGH big gov. “O” just isn’t Progressive enough
    Tell it like it is guys,,, Take Mr. Bundy for example.. “someone” here,,( yes,,you know who I’m referencing)thinks the old man and the armed contingent should have been shot on sight for those “actions”. That would fit the bill of “enough” progressivism and government over-reach.

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  8. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    “That is why progressive and libertarians agree on so much.”
    Oh – sure. The alphabet, the names of the 50 states and so on.
    Numerically I’m sure there are millions of things we agree on.
    As to the role and scope of the federal govt – you have to be
    kidding. Go ahead – list the many things we agree on.
    I can wait. In the meantime I’m wondering why it is the progs
    always wish they could be libertarians, or at least considered
    to be of the same bent.

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  9. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    I believe that most veterans would be better served by paying them their benefits directly and allowing them to obtain the care they need from private health care providers. Everybody else would benefit, too, as competition for veterans’ business would reduce the cost and improve the quality of care dispensed by those providers.

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  10. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Mr. President, I do not believe you need to get to the bottom of this. We are already at the bottom of this and have been for a long while. We are on top of this, got to the bottom of this and where were you?
    Your guy has been at the helm for the last 5 years. That’s the dude that keeps saying we can do things better. Where were you?
    After you get to the bottom of this, Mr. President, it will be old news indeed. Can’t blame it on a few renegade clerks in Cincinnati or a rogue ATF office in Arizona. That is why Congress already had a law on the books that vets can seek healthcare in the private sector. No need to get to the bottom of this. You seem to be the only one in America that was caught by surprise.
    Mr, President, glad to hear you “accepted the resignation” of your butt boy. But, throwing your butt boy to the lions will not change a single thing.
    Mr. President, as you know here are 1,700 veteran medical facilities across the amber waves of grain, The Veterans Affairs office is so huge that it is the 2nd biggest department in defense. It is corrupt through and through. It is a cultural of big government paying 300,000 employes to achieve the point of diminishing returns. Falsifying government documents across the board by a widespread ingrained corrupt culture to fit an agenda and predetermined result would get people like Paul Emery on the overpass shouting “Obama lied, Veterans Died.”
    No, I ain’t taking about man made climate change. And don’t blame budget cuts. Congress has made sure the budget to the department has increased every year greater than the rate of inflation despite your temptation to cry “Budget Cuts, Budget Cuts!, its those darn Right Wing Extremists and talk radio’s fault.”
    For being the smartest guy in the room, you lack any observation skills. Or the topic simply does not interest you. Or, the most likely scenario, it is a combination of both.

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  11. Walt Avatar

    Yup,, The VA sure has it’s act together. I informed my VA doc. that I was going to be out of town, yet somehow I got scheduled for some test during that time. I called back to clear up the issue and reschedule,, but have yet to even hear back.( must have been really important)
    What gets me, is the fact that they want me to show up on a regular basis, If need care or not. Do they think I’m still enlisted? ( ” You WILL show up…or else.)
    George… I cracked the bottle of that “low test” open. O,,M,,G!!! Tenn. has nothing on this stuff. It WILL turn Progressives into Conservatives.

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  12. Walt Avatar

    Mr. T… On my trip, I found a “Progressive” urinal.. It appears to have a web cam built into front of it.. What will they think of next?
    ( I even have a photo to prove it. Will share in a few days)

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  13. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    And lets be fair and copy the post that started this farcical conversation about Veterans benefits:
    Actually Todd, the long list of places I was not on Monday morning would be too long to post here. Not being in Grass Valley is merely one of them.
    But Michael and Russ are both raising an important point, although I would tend to agree with Michael that Russ’ choice of messengers is both counter-productive and destined to be ineffective.
    The sad truth is that we do not treat our veterans, particularly wounded veterans and those in need of a full suit of medical assistance, and assistance returning to civilian life well enough. The VA has been slow gearing up for the large number of veterans in need, as it was after Vietnam, and that is absolutely reprehensible.
    We could argue over who is responsible for that, especially since Republicans have voted down increases in Veterans benefits, or played political games to tie Veterans benefits to other political agendas.
    “Senate Republicans on Thursday derailed a sweeping $21 billion bill that would have expanded medical, educational and other benefits for veterans — in another chapter of the ongoing feud over amendments, spending and new sanctions on Iran.
    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) moved Wednesday night to cut off debate on the bill and blocked consideration of amendments, including one on Iran sanctions demanded by Republicans. And on Thursday, Democrats came up four votes short of the 60 needed to keep the bill moving forward on a procedural budget vote, 56-41.
    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/veterans-benefits-senate-republicans-104060.html
    As if the most recent vote were not enough to show Republicans abysmal record on Veterans benefits and creating opportunities for veterans consider the fact that in 2012 Republicans blocked the 2012 Veterans Jobs act that was designed to help Vets find employment and Republicans blocked a COLA on Vets benefits.
    As a matter of fact in the last 5 years here is the record of bills Republicans have blocked:
    H.R. 466 – Wounded Veteran Job Security Act – This bill would actually provide job security for veterans who are receiving medical treatment for injuries suffered while fighting in defense of their country. It would prohibit employers from terminating
    employees who miss work while receiving treatment for a service-related disability.
    H.R. 1168 — Veterans Retraining Act – This bill would provide for assistance to help veterans who are currently unemployed with their expenses while retraining for the current job market.
    H.R. 1171 – Homeless Veterans Reintegration Program Reauthorization – This bill would reauthorize programs in support of homeless veterans, to assist them with job training, counseling, and placement services through the Department of Veterans Affairs through 2014.
    H.R. 1172 — Requiring List on VA Website of Organizations Providing Scholarships for Veterans which does nothing more than direct the Department of Veterans Affairs to include information about scholarships for veterans.
    H.R. 1293 — Disabled Veterans Home Improvement and Structural Alteration Grant Increase Act of 2009 – Here’sanother bill in support of those who have fought for their country, passed by House Democrats and blocked from becoming law by Republicans.
    This would increase the amount paid by the VA to disabled veterans for necessary home structural improvements from $4,100 to $6,800 for those who are more than 50% disabled, and from $1,200 to $2,000 who are less than 50%, disabled. This means, if a veteran lost the use of his legs in service of his country, the country will pay for the wheelchair ramp so that he can live at home.
    By the way, the last time this ceiling was lifted was in 1992. There isn’t even a fiscal reason for being against this bill, as the total cost of this bill, according to CBO estimates, would be a “whopping” $20 million. That’s about a quarter (25 cents) per family of four.
    H.R. 1803 — Veterans Business Center Act – This bill would set up a Veterans Business Center program within the Small Business Administration, which would specialize in such programs as grants for service-disabled veterans, help them develop business plans and secure business opportunities. In other words, folks, it would create jobs and offer opportunities those who have fought in defense of our country.
    H.R. 2352 – Job Creation Through Entrepreneurship Act – This bill essentially combines a number of other bills that Republicans had blocked in the Senate previously, and adds a few elements. The bill would again establish a Veterans Business Center Program; …. it would establish a Military Entrepreneurs Program; …
    Just to be clear there have been some Democrats who have tied Veterans spending to other political objectives and they should be held accountable, but the record of the Republicans is abysmal. Thus when people like Mr.Kolfage speak up the way he does and gets embraced by Republicans as a messenger it falls on deaf ears because their record sucks.
    With all of that said, what is happening at the VA re: falsifying records and misleading Congress and the American public about the effectiveness of Veterans care is a true scandal, and someone must be held accountable. I would argue that President Obama should immediately fire Secretary Shinseki and appoint a new Secretary (perhaps Jim Webb) with a mandate to not only dig into the issue, but to build a coalition in Congress to support the care and attention our Veterans truly deserve.
    In the mean time Todd can shove his false patriotism where the sun don’t shine. If you really gave a sh*# about Veterans you would be telling your political leadership that you want them to increase both funding and accountability to help them, not returning the very leaders who are screwing them to office over and over again merely because they have an (R) after their name. That’s a much bigger ‘shame’ than not being in Grass Valley on Monday.

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  14. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    TheFrisch says “In the mean time Todd can shove his false patriotism where the sun don’t shine.” Yikes, he truly is obsessed! I know when he does not answer the questions we ask that he can’t. He did not honor the veterans on their Memorial Day and he is such a chicken he cannot admit it. My guess is he was copy/pasting his BS as he did above and that took him through the day.
    My goodness Frisch, just admit you were home sucking down a beer and had not one thought about those brave men and women. You actually are the one who practices”phony patriotism” because you do not practise what you preach to others. You are a sad example of a liberal hypocrite, but the readers can now see it too. Thanks!

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  15. Walt Avatar

    Steve. Nice try with the deflection. The VA has plenty of money So let’s cut the BS.
    It’s who’s running things, and how. Just like the rest of government, there is little accountability. And don’t even try to sue for malpractice. Another little perk of being a government employee…. Immunity.
    I have already got a good taste of their “care”. Had to go under the knife.
    I wake-up in agony after three hours on the table, and the nurse hands me Tylenol 3… Seems pain management wasn’t a priority, nor post op care. From the operating room to the car seat in 45 min. Look at the money the taxpayers saved for not keeping me overnight, not to mention the cost of a few Vicoden pain killers.
    And this is the kind of care, Obummercare guarantees for all. Equally crappy.

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  16. Brad Croul Avatar
    Brad Croul

    Simply (heh heh) dismantle the VA and let the vets enroll in the new healthcare scheme under what would be a new category for vets that would give them free health care.
    Done!

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  17. George Rebane Avatar

    OK boys and girls pay attention, here’s what VA Administrator Shinseki said – Statement by VA Secretary Shinseki on the VA OIG Interim Report regarding the Phoenix VA Health Care System http://www.nationaljournal.com/library/160161
    The conclusion of the OIG is that “delayed care is everywhere”
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/28/va-wait-times-veterans-shinseki-inspector-general/9671241/
    And here is the pdf of the OIG Interim Report itself –
    http://www.va.gov/oig/pubs/VAOIG-14-02603-178.pdf
    I sincerely believe that any plan that excludes massive overhaul of the VA (including vouchers for healthcare) is on the face of it butt stupid. And especially so when it involves just throwing more money into the rathole as cited above by Mr Frisch.

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  18. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    “With all of that said, what is happening at the VA re: falsifying records and misleading Congress and the American public about the effectiveness of Veterans care is a true scandal, and someone must be held accountable. I would argue that President Obama should immediately fire Secretary Shinseki and appoint a new Secretary (perhaps Jim Webb) with a mandate to not only dig into the issue, but to build a coalition in Congress to support the care and attention our Veterans truly deserve.”
    How is it that you guys only ever see what you want to see?
    Under any circumstances the VA will still be there tomorrow, and it is not going to be entirely dismantled and privatized. To think that is the case is simply unrealistic. In the mean time, I stand by my comments; if I were President Obama I would have fired Shinseki on day 2 of this discussion, and moved on to real reforms.
    But those reforms would need to be grounded in Congress doing what needs to be done, which you have helped crete conditions under which that cannot be done.
    End of story.

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  19. fish Avatar
    fish

    Nope, that might be applicable for “liberal” rubric but most definitely not a progressive one.
    While I find it charming that you don’t know “what you are” politically it is pretty well established that your flavor of progressive is really just the action arm of modern liberal philosophy…a kind of weird American version of the democratic socialist. In practice it’s pretty difficult to be a modern liberal without wanting to implement the philosophy as a progressive.
    The term “liberal” was co-opted by those of a socialist bent because it held a certain cachet 150 years ago. It found itself tossed aside for “progressive” after being thoroughly soiled by you guys….read a little John Dewey…he was one of the original pilferers. Dewey also tried to steal “individualist” shortly after Spencer coined the term. You guys can’t seem to keep your hands off other peoples stuff Ben.
    Progressives are just as if not more skeptical of government than conservatives and libertarians. That is why progressive and libertarians agree on so much.
    No man who has said, in essence, “Medicare…everybody in and nobody out”….has any business claiming to skeptical of government. I think that this opinion is given more weight given your silence regarding the recent VA fiasco…c’mon Ben real important progressives like Krugman and Ezra Klein are being thoroughly embarrassed by this scandal after championing this “socialist” healthcare delivery model…isn’t it time you stepped up too? I’m a libertarian and I’ve been in agreement with you perhaps one single time….regarding the central banking/federal reserve question. In my estimation there seems to be no leftist/liberal trope that you don’t believe in your deepest soul without a shred of critical thought.
    For a person with high credentials you seem to be very vigilant against the idea that progressive and liberals are different much like conservatives and libertarians.
    Eewwww…sentence structure Ben……just eeewww!

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  20. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Walt, I saw today that the VA has carried a surplus of over 500 million this last year and as high as 1.2 billion in unspent allocations. If they simply gave a voucher to the vets to seek private care then I think it would work just fine. But with Ocare coming down the pike soon, we may miss that opportunity.
    A’s Donaldson with a walkoff home run tonight. Beat the Tigers 3-1. Wow!

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  21. fish Avatar
    fish

    ……I saw today that the VA has carried a surplus of over 500 million this last year and as high as 1.2 billion in unspent allocations.
    Nahhh….they need that money to pay coders to try and make the EmptySuitCare websites function for more than a day at a stretch.

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  22. Brad Croul Avatar
    Brad Croul

    Obama should sic some Gov alphabet enforcement agencies (FBI, GAO, etc.) on the VA and seize their records, handcuff administrators, and throw them in the brig until this is settled.
    It’s too bad that most of these blog posts start with little digs like “Obama’s latest scandal involving VA healthcare” in order to bash the current liberal administration since it obviously is not solely an Obama scandal – it is a big government, special interest, scandal.
    Vets should be able to ‘opt out’ of the VA and transition to the ACA healthcare scheme for free healthcare.
    The bottom line would be to eliminate the need for a VA through demilitarization.
    I saw the F-22 Raptor perform recently at the Chino air show and that plane proves we control the skies (which is all we really need in order to drone anyone on the planet).

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  23. fish Avatar
    fish

    It’s too bad that most of these blog posts start with little digs like “Obama’s latest scandal involving VA healthcare” in order to bash the current liberal administration since it obviously is not solely an Obama scandal – it is a big government, special interest, scandal.
    Why is it too bad? Obama is the president and was critical publicly of the VA prior to his election, he knew that the fiascos in Afghanistan and Iraq were churning out wounded……and yet he did next to nothing to head off this mess.
    You would think that such a sharp politico would have had the acumen to at least head off the bad publicity.

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  24. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    Consider that the VA budget has already more than tripled in the last thirteen years while the healthcare horror stories have multiplied.) — According to friends of mine who are Vietnam vets and receive healthcare through the VA the problem has as much to do with Pentagon planning and Presidents gone nuts as anything. As they tell it, after Vietnam the military changed its overall strategy from full scale wars of ideology to small mobile highly trained forces engaged in brush wars over resources. In anticipation of fewer casualties the VA downsized. Then along came Bush and two full scale wars which were undermanned and unplanned for requiring activation of national guardsmen and women and multiple tours of duty. The result is an overwhelming of the VA with soldiers they were not prepared to handle.
    Besides Walt, how many of you folks get your healthcare from the VA? According to my friends who actually get care there, once you get in the door it’s pretty good. The problem is that there is a huge backlog of soldiers who need care and there aren’t the facilities to handle it.

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  25. fish Avatar
    fish

    Consider that the VA budget has already more than tripled in the last thirteen years while the healthcare horror stories have multiplied.
    Sounds like a stunning indictment of a government run bureaucratic system. Are you sure that this really the direction you guys want to go with civilian healthcare?

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  26. John Avatar
    John

    JoeK, if the problem is, as you say, too many patients and not enough doctors, how do you explain the numerous reports that many of the VA Doctors are seeing an average of 8-10% of the patients that are seen by private sector doctors? Are they spending 10x longer with their patients, or are they lazy, unsupervised, and unmotivated to perform their jobs like many in government who feel no pressure to perform because they can’t be fired?

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  27. Walt Avatar

    Joe. My visits to the VA are not by choice. You can thank Ca. for that. ” OH!,, your a VET? You will get your “care” from the VA..” Covered Ca. dumped me into that system. My fist “visit” to the VA was the cause of my need to go under the knife by a VA Dr. That’s why I have facial hair.. to hide their screw-up.. If it wasn’t for the “Bigfoot JR.” look, I would scare little kids just walking down the street.
    I guess that’s a small price to pay for “free” surgery.
    Ya’ gotta love our Lefty take on this. ” Well I know a guy who has a friend that gets his care from the VA,, and “he” says it’s great!”,, Or,, It’s the Repubs fault for not throwing more money at the problem, or voting for all these other (wasteful)expenditures and programs. ( Just what was tagged onto all those Bills that had nothing to do with injured vets? Nope,, just say the Repubs shot them down because they hate Vets.)

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  28. George Rebane Avatar

    A correspondent sent a list of Jay Lenno’s one-liners of which two are appropriately directed to Obama’s scandals and worth a giggle –
    “They took ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ out of the Pentagon and moved it into the White House.”
    “These White House scandals are not going away anytime soon. It’s gotten so bad that People in Kenya are now saying he’s 100 percent American.”

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  29. fish Avatar
    fish

    OT
    I guess they are bullying me in hopes that I’ll stop writing about our dysfunctional local politics and their role in sustaining it. A novelist such as Tom Wolfe would have a field day with our local politics. You can’t make this stuff up.

    Jeez jeffy I thought you were supposed to be the epitome of the “tough as nails” newsman in the Mencken, Murrow or dare I say ….Ron Burgundy tradition. Tom Wolfe would burst out in hysterical laughter at your girlish complaint. Stick to your food porn magazine and you won’t have to deal with these problems.
    I do grant though that you’re 100% correct in the statement, “The politics are so nasty because the stakes are so small. Yet this is where you’ve elected to live, work, and host a blog on matters political. You didn’t really think this through did you?

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  30. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    OT indeed
    Pelline is the biggest bully in town. Literally and figuratively, the biggest bully in town.

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  31. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Hey Fish, Giants are 5 games ahead. Who woulda thunk it?
    Hey Greg, how’s that school board announcement coming?

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  32. fish Avatar
    fish

    Hey Fish, Giants are 5 games ahead. Who woulda thunk it?
    I appreciate that they seem to be resilient in the face of the sudden slew of injuries! That and they all play like 8 year old kids in little league for the first time….fun to watch!

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  33. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Mikey is trying to be as big a bully as Pelline is. The concept that someone shouldn’t share what they know about the local schools unless they’re on a school board is perhaps the silliest thing Mikey has written.
    My “Other Voices” was based on facts from the cde.ca.gov website. If any of the defenders of the status quo could refute it, they would.
    http://www.theunion.com/opinion/columns/11449511-113/schools-county-similar-bottom

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  34. Walt Avatar

    Nice work there Gregory. It sucks to hear our local schools are so crappy.

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  35. Walt Avatar

    Since this Admin. has declared war on Vets, even government attorneys are crooked
    snakes to at least one Vet. ” Lie your way out.”
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/05/29/state-department-got-punked-us-takes-heat-for-boosting-lawyer-fired-by-jailed/?intcmp=HPBucket
    Even a jailed vet has more honor than a government ambulance chaser.

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  36. fish Avatar
    fish

    Oh jeffy…..why do you constantly serve me straight lines……
    You have to figure out a way to interact with people who aren’t in your professional league — and never will be.
    Sumo wrestling?

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  37. Walt Avatar

    Just what “profession” is he referring to? Running a blog? Our own “Big Kahuna” George, runs circles around the round one. None of that “posting by moderation” here.
    South Park is on soon.. Let’s see what pot ” Cartman” stirs this time.

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  38. Walt Avatar

    Fish… Like the new “washed up” Magnum P.I. look?

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  39. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “It sucks to hear our local schools are so crappy.”
    It remains a shame that neither McAteer or Hermansen chose to elevate the effective schools as examples for the ineffective ones. McAteer, after each STAR result would crow about beating Marin County, ignoring the fact that if you just compared similar groups (like middle class English speaking white kids vs English speaking middle class white kids) Marin did much better.
    What made the stats that McAteer wrapped himself with was Marin had a large number of low socioeconomic status kids who were English Language Learners. Even now, just comparing non-poor white English speakers in Marin and Nevada Counties, 65% of those kids in Marin were Proficient or better in Algebra 1, vs 40% for kids in Nevada County.
    What we had over Marin was not competent schools, just fewer students with challenges. Except for a very few schools (Pleasant Ridge, Clear Creek and now Ghidotti), Nevada County public schools have mostly done a mediocre job educating an above average group of kids.

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  40. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    One more OT…
    Checked the statewide Algebra 1 results for “non-economically challenged” white students… 53% test Proficient and above, vs 40% in Nevada County.
    Read it and weep.
    For the Grass Valley Charter School, that number for 2013, the last result for the late and lamented STAR testing following the superior to CCSS California Content Standards was… drum roll, please…
    27% are Proficient and above. Meaning 73% of the kids being taught what is called “Algebra” at the Grass Valley Charter are below proficient in actual Algebra.
    So, Michael P. Anderson, that’s the quality of the school your kid(s) is (are) attending. Piss poor. But fun!

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    fish

    Fish… Like the new “washed up” Magnum P.I. look?
    Like looking in the mirror brother….like looking in the mirror!

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  42. Walt Avatar

    Gregory.. Just how did Ready Springs fall into the mix? Just wondering…

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  43. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Walt, by the CDE numbers Ready Springs is doing OK. Too small to have the numbers regarding Algebra (they don’t have an algebra class) and too many of the students are economically challenged. Their API is a low 3rd decile (20-30 percentile) but are a near average 5th decile (40-50 percentile) of their 100 Similar Schools. This means the school is performing about average for the state; the kids are doing as expected. Plenty of room for improvement (especially considering California’s schools are weak compared to most states) but not bad, considering the challenges they face.
    The only local districts that are doing a better job at the moment seem to be Pleasant Ridge and Clear Creek.

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  44. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Shit for brains wrote: “So, Michael P. Anderson, that’s the quality of the school your kid(s) is (are) attending. Piss poor. But fun!”
    Did I ever tell you where my kids go to school? No, I did not.
    You are a sick mother fucker. You have a mental illness of some kind, undiagnosed as far as I can tell since you are still allowed to wander the streets spewing your sickness. You stalk people. You call them names. You are an evil human being, Greg. You are a menace to society.
    BTW, you do not live rent free in my brain. You occupy another place in my body, in the lower regions with the rest of the stool. When I tell you to go fuck yourself, that is my way of releasing you into the bowl. Then I pull the handle, and whoooooosh! you are gone.
    Don’t fuck with me, tar baby.

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  45. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Oh, my. Looks like someone is in touch with the dark side of the force.
    Checking, Mikey has written proudly about being a Grass Valley Charter parent. I’ve no idea the name, gender (though I vaguely recall all boys) or age(s), so don’t pull a Pelline and invent some bogus threat.
    Sorry to break it to you but the Grass Valley Charter is piss-poor by the numbers. Considering they’re continuing the constructivist bent of Holly Hermansen’s husband, Jon Byerrum, that performance is to be expected.

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  46. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 841pm – MichaelA just posted about six very emotional and hyperbolic comments under several recent RR commentaries. Most are directed at you, although I was also the target of one. Don’t know why anyone not under the influence would take the time to compose such back alley rants, and am not really anxious to find out. I think that you have more than made your point(s), and suggest you cut him some slack so he doesn’t pop something vital. Just an observation, thanks.

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  47. Walt Avatar

    Did Hell just freeze over? Eric Shinseki forked over his resignation. ( “O” accepted it reluctantly as reported) Someone FINALY lost their job in this administration.
    More innocent people have died under this administration’s watch than one could think possible, and no one has been held responsible. The short list… F&F gun running by the DOJ,, Benghazi, The State dept. run by Hillary,, and the VA. Give the IRS scandal
    a little more time. A “suicide” or two, maybe a “freak accident” may claim a life.
    ( It all depends on who may talk first) BLM almost joined that special club. ” fear of officer safety” would have been the boilerplate excuse.

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  48. George Rebane Avatar

    Meanwhile Obamacare, the other ongoing government healthcare debacle, just had Nevada abandon its state exchange as the latest state to do so. They follow other incompetents like Oregon, Massachusetts, Maryland, … falling into the arms of Obama’s HHS in the hope that the billions lost by the states’ attempt to sell approved insurance to the sheeple will somehow be fixed by the biggest screw-up agency of all. Kinda gives new meaning to ‘the blind leading the blind’.
    http://blog.heritage.org/2014/05/28/nevada-gives-91-million-obamacare-exchange/?utm_source=heritagefoundation&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=morningbell

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