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George Rebane

[This is the addended transcript of my regular KVMR commentary broadcast on 25 April 2014.]

Some years back the National Governors Association, realizing that America’s workforce was rapidly losing out in the global job markets, concluded that the country needed a new approach to K-12 education.  Its efforts to that end produced what today is known as the Common Core national educational standards (more here).  By educational standards they mean to prescribe a common basis for what things a kid is supposed know when they complete each grade.

CommonCoreSince the old wasn’t working all that well, these new standards began to catch on with certain politicians and educators.  Then the federal government threw its weight behind Common Core, identifying its adoption by a state as having qualified for new No Child Left Behind grants.  And before most people knew it, Common Core standards were quietly taken up by most states in one form or another.  Today only five states have not signed up.

But that is just the beginning of the story.  Academic standards make up only one leg of the three required to complete what we might call an educational system.  The other two are the curriculum that would support achieving the standards, and the assessments and evaluations, or standardized testing for short, that would tell us how well the students were meeting the standards.  Initially, the curriculum remained for each state to draw up as they saw fit, and most left it to local school districts.


However, that hasn’t worked out well for a number of reasons.  The first being that no one knew what to teach because the tests for the various reading and math subjects in the various grades had yet to be drawn up.  That was a harder problem than anticipated because Common Core also prescribed computer grading of tests, which suddenly presented technology and cost issues in addition to the academic ones.

The second problem about adopting local curricula to satisfy a one-size-fits-all national standard is that our K-12 teachers, as a group with exceptions, are not drawn from the brightest bulbs on the nation’s academic tree.  And a lot has already been said about that with more to come.  Nevertheless, the bottom line about curriculum is that people are beginning to realize Common Core will ultimately wind up specifying a national curriculum as soon as the testing part of the overall program is completed and stabilized.

Those who have been critical of teaching to a test have seen nothing yet to compare with the Common Core curriculum to come (more here).  To date states like California, one of the most enthusiastic adopters of Common Core, have struggled with patchwork curricula applied by various school districts, and evaluated by tests still in their trial phase before being judged ready for prime time.

The remaining big problems facing individual school districts are cost, technology infrastructure, and teacher qualification.  The Pioneer Institute of Public Policy has estimated that the added cost of adopting Common Core will be about $16B nationally.  Teachers will have to be sent to school, new computers bought and school networks installed or upgraded.  And when available, the new curricula and testing procedures integrated into the workings of established school districts.

To date no one knows whether Common Core will work or not, let alone be better than what we now have.  Early results have been all over the scale with many states becoming critics, devising ways to limit or even withdraw from the dictates of Common Core (more here).  The importance of Common Core to our nation cannot be overstated.  If adopted as planned, it will determine the competency and competitiveness of at least the next generation of American workers, and all of which that impacts.  Nationwide more people are becoming aware of Common Core as they gather to have the debates that were somehow overlooked before the standards were adopted and distributed.

One of these Common Core ‘townhall meetings’ is coming to Nevada County.  The local Tea Party is co-sponsoring a gathering to examine and discuss the requirements and impacts of Common Core this coming April 29th at the Grass Valley Elks Lodge.  Featured speakers will include Brad Dacus of the Pacific Justice Institute and Professor Sandra Stotsky who served on the Common Core Validation Committee.  Tickets for the event are available online, and at the local Briar Patch and Gold-N-Green.

My name is Rebane, and I also expand on this and related themes on georgerebane.com where the transcript of this commentary is posted with relevant links, and where such issues are debated extensively.  However my views are not necessarily shared by KVMR.  Thank you for listening.

[Addendum]  I should perhaps expand on my own view of how the federal government should be involved in the country’s educational systems.  The punchline here is that the feds should pull in their horns on all programs that fund and deliver instruction to students and trainees.  The only success that the feds have had in education has been in the military which marches to a different drummer than the hidebound, ideologically tortured, and overlapping bureaus/agencies that are in charge of their civilian programs.  The latter programs share the common fate of having contributed to a uniform history of abject failures and the squandering hundreds of billions of dollars.

So here is a first cut at my druthers for federal involvement in the nation’s education –

  1. The several states should each be in complete charge of their own educational systems.  There they can experiment with teacher education, curriculum, testing, school infrastructure development, special needs (both ends of ability) programs, local control, public/private education alternatives, etc.
  2. The Department of Education should be abolished and in its place a more broadly chartered Department of Skills Assessment and Certification (DSAC) established whose charter is to work with America’s business and academic communities to develop and administer a catalog of tests that not only covers K-12, but also other academic, professional, and commercial areas that require specialized and evolving skill sets.
  3. DSAC’s work would involve being in constant touch with the skill testing and certification requirements of America’s job markets.  As new requirements arise from the business sector and academe, DSAC would act as the clearing house for cataloging such skills and the requirements for their assessment and/or evaluation.  From such publicized requirements DSAC would develop the necessary tests for validating various skill levels.
  4. DSAC would have no power to impose its testing products on anyone, but would make such tests and the procedures for their proper administration available to all requesting parties for nominal fees.   Upon request, and perhaps for an additional fee, it would provide some pre-determined level of oversight in the administration of its tests.
  5. Depending on then available technology and the logistics involved, DSAC could also provide for the grading of its tests.  In any event, DSAC would provide multi-level certifications of test taker performance on its various tests.  Such certificates would then become the ‘gold standard’ of vetting that an individual has demonstrated the possession of specific knowledge bases and/or skill sets.  Employers in all sectors of society can then use these certificates to vet candidates and prospective employees using a uniform nationwide metric as a means of reducing the risk in bringing on someone new.
  6. In such an environment hiring and personnel managers in all kinds of enterprises could also specify which certifications would be required for bringing someone on or promoting an existing worker/staffer.  However, I emphasize that none of this would be mandatory from the federal level.  Nevertheless, states and private organizations could, at their pleasure, mandate that people possess such certification for performing certain jobs.
  7. In these pre-Singularity years with the dynamism of man-machine working relationships now being a constant in the job markets, DSAC would serve a very useful function by always providing a current and relevant testing and certification program.
  8. Since DSAC is not a conduit for federal monies, and since it has no legal muscle to impose its test/certification products, it would have to compete with other testing services that may or not arise in such a marketplace.  However, acting as a national job skills clearinghouse, DSAC would have a distinct advantage if it did its job properly.  An important byproduct from DSAC would be a constant and timely stream of test result datasets and reports on the performance of test takers.  This would form an important feedback channel to school systems, corporations, institutions, and all other organizations that take advantage of DSAC’s test and certification products.
  9. Finally, the existence and functioning of such a federal DSAC will definitely affect how the nation’s population will acquire and maintain its skills as technology continues to accelerate and globalism prevails.

Thoughts?

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109 responses to “Common Core Unexamined”

  1. fish Avatar
    fish

    Uh oh Paul….now you’ve stepped in it! jeffy is premuenstral about George discussing Common Core!
    You’re no longer fit for Nevada City polite society.

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  2. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    George,
    Why do you, a PhD. no less, allow somebody who signs their name as “fish” to post on your blog? I mean, really, the man/woman signs their name “fish.” LOL.

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  3. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “To date states like California, one of the most enthusiastic adopters of Common Core, have struggled with patchwork curricula applied by various school districts, and evaluated by tests still in their trial phase before being judged ready for prime time.”
    That wasn’t the case before CCSS. California, in response to the whole language and whole math meltdowns in the ’90’s, developed the California Content Standards, and specified a review process for all textbooks sold. Books that, for example, professed to be 4th grade math, or 8th grade introductory Algebra, were evaluated by PhD mathematicians under the auspices of the state Dept. of Education who would, point by point, determine if the content specified by the Standard was actually present in the book.
    Constructivists (the blanket term for the “whole” learning crowd) howled, because their darlings didn’t have the content, and mostly died off as a result, despite the reviews being pedagogy-neutral.
    The biggest problem I see with the common core rollout is that the ineffective constructivist pedagogies (that remain the dominant theory in Collegiate Education departments, themselves the backwaters of academia with the weakest students and faculty) are unexamined, unreviewed and overrepresented in the flood of new “Common Core” aligned texts, and we’re facing a new meltdown worse than that of the ’90’s… because rather than a patchwork of states, we’re all going to Hades in the same CCSS handbasket at the same time.

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  4. Russ Steele Avatar

    Washington Post Parent to Obama: Let me tell you about the Common Core test Malia and Sasha don’t have to take but Eva does
    The letter to the President has some sample Common Core test questions that are baffling to teacher and student. Click on the link, read the letters and see if you can decipherer the questions.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/04/23/parent-to-obama-let-me-tell-you-about-the-common-core-test-malia-and-sasha-dont-have-to-take-but-eva-does/

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  5. Walt Avatar

    See the ads from Calif. about ” Rotten to the core”? ( more tax money gone forever)
    Let’s see a commercial of any one of those “teachers” actually solving
    some of those math equations.

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  6. George Rebane Avatar

    Administrivia – have no idea why the Typepad spam filter gets pissed at someone from time to time. It’s been RussS’ turn in the barrel today. I check the spam filter regularly, but sometimes hours may pass in the interval. Email or text me when your comment doesn’t post.

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  7. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “I mean, really, the man/woman signs their name “fish.” LOL.” -Jeff Pelline, aka the FUEhrer
    I mean, really, an arguably adult (chronologically speaking) man/woman who chronically abuses the term “LOL”?

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  8. fish Avatar
    fish

    George,
    Why do you, a PhD. no less, allow somebody who signs their name as “fish” to post on your blog? I mean, really, the man/woman signs their name “fish.” LOL.

    (facepalm)
    Look jeffy we’ve already covered this ground. There are no, and here’s your favorite word…… “transparency”… issues here! I don’t vote in your local elections or contribute to political campaigns/initiatives in your backyard….err….“community”. I respect the rules of your blog and don’t post there because your censor….I mean moderate and insist upon real name posting only (Although I have wondered on occasion who “Windy” is and who “Bruiser” was). If you don’t want me to comment at all regarding your pet issues then take your blog private and issue credentials to your coterie of sycophants. Problem solved.
    Had I not had to suffer through constantly seeing your trough snorkel at SacBee.com (… talk about making a bad newspaper internet presence worse) and constantly linking to …ooooh…. I’ve so been waiting for an opportunity to use the term….”HARD LEFT yubanet.com we would likely not be having this exchange now.
    Rumor has it that your sort sort of a “newsman”….. so why don’t you push the envelope a bit and come at this issue from another direction. Rather than asking George why he allows me to post under a pseudonym why don’t you ask yourself why you are so obsessed over knowing my real name?
    ….and as always LOL.

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  9. fish Avatar
    fish

    ….your censor….
    …you censor…..
    sigh! More facepalm.

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  10. Walt Avatar

    SACBEE?? Seems that’s by invite only. ( subscription?) When I visit there, not a comment to be found.
    Seems the Bee followed the same game plan as the Union did. Their ” moderation” lasted about a week.
    That LIB rag had no choice but to pull the plug. Conservative views were always winning the “discussions”.

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  11. Barry Pruett Avatar

    Don’t forget Goria Zane. The common core math as far as subtractions go seemed to be all about short cuts…things you do in your head to get an answer….not concepts.

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  12. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Common Core should be competitive. As an example local schools should have “Beat Chicago!” banners spread across their entrances. “Beat DC” banners would get eventually banned, so as an selfless act of community service, I urge our schools not to waste the money to have “Beat DC” or “Beat El Paso” banners printed.
    “Beat Watts” banners would cause quite an electrical storm to say the least. After all, it only takes 2 watts to blow up Los Angeles. We are all in this together. Beat Chicago!

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  13. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Mr. Fish. You will always be Fish to me, forever and ever, amen. You would have to be nuts to post your real name anywhere with all the wackos like The Spoon out there.
    Think Bill Tozer is my real name? Think again. Bill Tozer was a baseball player who relieve pitched in 4 games in 1908 in his brief major league. Or did he?
    I have fun when Mr. Sock Puppet Jerry searches the tax or voting records to find out one’s local. Hee hee. I fed Mr. Jerry The Spoon Fuemaster Fedor a line of bull and let him waste time going down blind alleys. LOL. Hee hee. What a hoot. Bet he is still searching for hair on his palms.
    Don’t drop the name Fish ever as long as it turns someone’s huge bloated stomach sour.

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  14. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Time to depart from the thread on hop back on topic. Common Core should be competitive. For example, our local schools should have banners stretched across their entrances that read “Beat Chicago!” A great motivation tool.
    As a selfless act of public service, I urge our local schools not to waste money by printing “Beat DC” banners. They would eventually be declared insensitive or taken down for whatever reason deemed inappropriate. Just trying to be helpful.
    Neither should we waste money by printing “Beat Watts” or “Beat El Paso” banners. A “Beat Watts” banner would create quite an electrical firestorm. After all, it only takes two watts to blow up Los Angeles. Neither should we hang “Beat Ohio” banners as some of our more young mischievous misfits would simply alter Ohio to Off. Gotta stay one step ahead of the curve.
    Beat Chicago! Beat Chicago! Our Raider fans would love to see that strung across our local schools as well. Together we can….non stop to the top…My, I am ready to hit the books myself. I feel motivated this fine morn.

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  15. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Tozer, that is some damn fine comedy. Even if you are a sock. Hat tip.
    Go Gigantes. Beat LA!

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  16. fish Avatar
    fish

    And with that, the cosmic tumblers align and Michael Anderson and I find ourselves in complete agreement. Monsieur Tozer is on a roll this fine Sunday morning!

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  17. fish Avatar
    fish

    Holy crap I’ve cracked the case….our own Bill Tozer is none other than noted pundit Walter Williams…..or a woman in a black cocktail dress.
    I report….you decide!

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  18. Walt Avatar

    Bill. That pic. from ” Vantage Point outfitters” seems fitting.( but maybe a little drafty)
    A while back someone going by ” Steve Wynn” showed up…Or was that on Todd’s pages? It was a while ago… ( I wonder if it was Mr. moneybags himself) He finally said something I agree with which has been reported.
    “O” is an “A”hole..

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  19. fish Avatar
    fish

    A while back someone going by ” Steve Wynn” showed up…Or was that on Todd’s pages? It was a while ago… ( I wonder if it was Mr. moneybags himself) He finally said something I agree with which has been reported.
    “O” is an “A”hole..

    Yeah Walt…. it appears that good democrats seem to be wandering off the reservation left and right. Noted democratic party donor and raconteer Cliven Bundy….err… I mean of course, Donald Sterling has tarnished the TEAM EVIL brand still further this weekend by letting go with a racist rant caught on tape by his ex-girlfirend.
    Let’s go to the audiotape.
    … and so what I’ve testified to you — I was in the Watts riot, I seen the beginning fire and I seen that last fire. What I seen is civil disturbance. People are not happy, people are thinking they don’t have their freedoms, they didn’t have these things, and they didn’t have them.
    We’ve progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and we sure don’t want to go back. We sure don’t want the colored people to go back to that point. We sure don’t want these Mexican people to go back to that point. And we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way.
    Let me tell, talk to you about the Mexicans, and these are just things I know about the negroes. I want to tell you one more thing I know about the negro. When I go, went, go to Las Vegas, North Las Vegas, and I would see these little government houses, and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there’s always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch. They didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.
    And because they were basically on government subsidy — so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?
    You know they didn’t get more freedom, they got less freedom — they got less family life, and their happiness — you could see it in their faces — they wasn’t happy sitting on that concrete sidewalk. Down there they was probably growing their turnips — so that’s all government, that’s not freedom.
    Now, let me talk about the Spanish people. You know, I understand that they come over here against our Constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here and they’re people — and I’ve worked side by side a lot of them.
    Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structures than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people. And we need to have those people join us and be with us not, not come to our party.

    So there you have it…another stream of unexpurgated hate from a member of lefty Whitetopia!
    Hey wait….that’s not the right tape at all……
    Now here’s Bob with the weather!

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  20. fish Avatar
    fish

    ….raconteer
    Just once I’d like to get through a post without a typo.
    …..raconteur…!

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  21. Walt Avatar

    Since schooling is on the menu, have a taste of what LIBS are cooking up in Sac.
    http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/04/25/bill-encourages-schools-to-teach-about-racial-significance-of-obamas-presidency/
    ” The greatness of “O” WILL be drilled into your children’s heads.”
    LIBS must love this indoctrination by government decree. They are passing a law that says so.

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  22. George Rebane Avatar

    Walt 114pm – That the state of California deems it important to pass legislation mandating the inclusion and/or coverage of such politically charged and easily maligned subjects is a scary thing. Should it not be the teacher who, in teaching civics or current history, selects which aspects of Obama’s presidency to emphasize and include in her lesson plans?

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  23. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    George,
    I don’t think “Dr. Phil” could help the folks who comment on your blog. Does anybody sign their names? You are an “absentee” moderator.

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  24. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Let’s meet a lead author of the Math “Common Core State Standards”, math educator Phil Daro.
    “Phil Daro is a mathematics educator who most recently co-directed the development of the Common Core State Standards for mathematics. He has also directed large-scale teacher professional development programs for the University of California including the California Mathematics Project and the American Mathematics Project. He is Site Director of the Strategic Education Research Partnership (SERP) at the San Francisco Unified School District. Steering Committee, Math Work Group (chair), and District Engagement Committee”
    http://ell.stanford.edu/leadership
    Wow, a bona fide math education expert. His BA from UC Berkeley was English, and his crowning work, the California Math Project (CMP) was one of the weaker whole math efforts from California’s Fuzzy period following the so called NCTM Standards, which were standards for pedagogy, not grade level standards. A friend of mine, a CSU math professor who has been paying attention to K-12 math education for decades and was a reviewer of texts according to the late lamented California Content Standards for the State Dept of Ed, describes Daro as “consistently influential and consistently wrong”.

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  25. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    A link I just suffered is here… Phil Daro presenting a Math CCSS talk at Reed Union School District, Tiburon CA
    http://www.reedschools.org/Page/864
    Daro’s brand of math curriculums was in full retreat before his CCSS got put into place, with states across the country being bribed with points towards getting Federal grants at the beginning of the Great Recession. California didn’t get any cash despite giving up the best standards in the country for the CCSS pig in a Federal poke.

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  26. Walt Avatar

    Any bets the law states ” Obama MUST be painted in a good light. NO disparaging curriculum will be tolerated. NO mention of his divisiveness of America will be taught.”
    I’m just waiting for an official call for his likeness to replace Lincoln on the five dollar note.
    The best way for LIBS to get the next generation “on the dole” is to make sure education is substandard, and so difficult, kids drop out of school.

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  27. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Mr. Walt, I think it is significant that a black person has risen to be our President in a historical context. Someday we will have a descendant of slaves become President and that indeed will be breaking ground.
    Perhaps Common Core can use our very own political giants such as Vice President Joe Biden and Harry Reid’s take on this unparalleled achievement. Biden and Reid have rubbed elbows with Obama for years and they can articulate the racial significance:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQnlcUN3qcQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgIFV7jXBFQ
    Welcome to the Liberal World where light skinned Negro is a compliment and being able to speak with or without a black dialect (articulate) is held in awe.

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  28. Walt Avatar

    Just maybe there will be a teacher or two who will “follow” the law,
    and explain why “O” is President because of affirmative action. He got there on the color of his skin, and not for his ability and comprehension of the job.
    He’s done a bang-up job. Look at the criminal political appointees he has put in positions of authority. That should be in the curriculum as well.
    Sorry for going off the reservation Chief,, A law to sing the praises of the first Blake man in HISTORY!!!,, is a little on the indoctrination side of things to me.
    What next out of Sac.? Our children will memorize the “golden book” and have it in their possession at all times? ( You will comply…)

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  29. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Here is what ends up happening to people trained in government schools. This guy owns the Clippers!
    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/376641/racist-clippers-owner-donald-sterling-democrat-tim-cavanaugh
    Pelline and MichaelA should take note. They seem to keep these travesties alive.

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  30. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Todd, this Common Core and racial slips by the Left is a drip, drip drip of water torture leading up to the 2014 elections. You really think the Libs or Purples are energized? I doubt it. Found this link from the link you posted above:
    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/375687/democrats-lose-two-more-special-elections-they-didnt-expect-john-fund
    I seem to recall despite what Sam Donaldson swept under the carpet in the Clinton/Newt Gingrich ’94 mid-terms as the American voter “throwing a temper tantrum”, the Dems did not win one single State House, not one Dem challenger was elected, not one incumbent Republican lost. The only losers were Dem challengers and Dem incumbents, 100% across the entire nation. This includes every single State House election.
    This Common Sore stuff along with the Unaffordable Non Care Act, the militarizing of the EPA, Postal Service, IRS, and BLM all point to an scenario where the American voter is starting to get a bit hot under the collar. Of course a Dem saying racial comments is no big deal because if you belong to the Marist Party of the two Left Coasts, then your heart is in the right place. But, if you starts messing with John Q Public’s cheese, then John Q will start having a hissy fit. It might get so hot for the Libbies (as independents are now getting just as riled up as us Neo-Cons), them Leftists might have to go sit in a Chick-Fil-A just to use their air conditioning.

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  31. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    George 4:01 –“Should it not be the teacher who, in teaching civics or current history, selects which aspects of Obama’s presidency to emphasize and include in her lesson plans?” Yes, however, a lot of what is taught depends on the choice of textbooks, does it not? Instructors don’t really have much of a choice in that matter until the community college level. I do not know of any state that allows K-12 teachers to independently and individually chose textbooks. Textbook choices usually depend on the state. Most states are like CA and allow each school district to select its textbooks from a list approved and provided by the Sate Dept. of Ed. This allows for local selection and input from teachers but the district boards of trustee ultimately make the decisions for what books are in the classrooms from the state approved list. In some states, most notably Texas, the state decides which books all districts will use and teachers have little choice in the matter.
    Texas in particular creates a problem for the rest of the country in terms of textbooks and content. Because the state buys for all school districts, Texas is probably the largest single buyer of any one book or another and, therefore, the socio/political/religious make up of the Texas state school board has a large influence on book content for the entire nation. If the publishers of textbooks (all three or four of them) want to sell books, they write them to please Texas because that is, by far, their biggest target market. A recent example of this influence was a call by some Texas school board members to lessen in history books the perceived impact of Thomas Jefferson on our country’s founding because Jefferson was a non-Christian and had an adulterous affair with his slave, all of which served as a contradiction to the concept of America as a Christian nation. Textbooks have always been how the dominant culture passes on its attitudes, beliefs, values, and myths. They don’t tell the whole story, and the story of American history is usually told from the perspective of the European immigrant. Howard Zinn’s “People’s History of the United States” is full of historical incidents like rebellions and strikes that ended in deaths but never made it into textbooks. Incidents that have way more impact in telling the a true history of America than a bunch people throwing bales of tea into the ocean.
    So, yes it would be nice if teachers could select their own books and methods as long as the net result was the same…that all students learned to the best of their abilities and what they learned was true.

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  32. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    George,
    I don’t think “Dr. Phil” could help the folks who comment on your blog. Does anybody sign their names? You are an “absentee” moderator.
    Posted by: Jeff Pelline | 27 April 2014 at 04:02 PM
    Come on Dr. Rebane, throw the fat boy a bone will ya. He has appealed to you twice now on this thread for you to get us neanderthals to sign our real names. His OCD has taken over. Your silence is killing him! Come on Dr. Rebane, have some mercy on Fat Albert’s OCD and tell him you are working on it or give him a pacifier.
    Hey, Rolly Polly, I told you before to call the Governor and tell him that Dr. Rebane does not run his blog THE EXACT way you want him to. Why not get off that Grand Canyon you call your butt crack and call the Gov. But, noooo. What, he won’t take your calls, you frickin control freak. Dr. Rebane, throw the toothless dog a bone before he gums us to death.
    I like Dr. Rebane’s blog. Tolerance is practiced by Dr. Rebane who allows a free flowing exchange of ideas…something you should try. But, but, but, Fish won’t reveal who he is!! Just a downright crying shame isn’t it, Mr. Anal Cavity. Hey, crap for brains, when your blog becomes as widely read and popular as Dr. Rebanbe’s, then and only then might you even hint on telling Dr. Rebane how it should be done. What a retard.
    https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/1010619_10151926169710911_1289251682_n.jpg

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  33. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    JoKe, for about a decade, until the California Content Standards were abandoned in favor of the so-called Common Core State Standards which did not even exist yet, any language or math text offered for sale in California was reviewed for content by the state Dept. of Ed in a fair and open process.
    “So, yes it would be nice if teachers could select their own books and methods as long as the net result was the same…that all students learned to the best of their abilities…”
    Only in NeverNever Land and Lake Woebegone was that ever true. Then there’s that pesky fact that, by a recent study paid for by the Federal Dept. of Education that the lower the SAT of an incoming college student, the higher the probability they are a teacher 10 years after getting their Baccalaureate.
    The inmates are running the K-12 asylum.

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  34. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Instructors don’t really have much of a choice in that matter until the community college level.”
    “Instructors” at the community college level in this state are required to have a masters in the subject and many have PhD’s. They are therefore thought qualified to choose instructional materials to teach adults who are there by choice and generally paying for the privilege to take the class.
    The only test K-12 teachers in California are required to have passed is the CBEST (California Basic Educational Skills Test), and I expect most college bound students would be capable of passing it in the 8th grade… and many teachers have to take cram courses to pass it.

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    fish

    George,
    I don’t think “Dr. Phil” could help the folks who comment on your blog. Does anybody sign their names? You are an “absentee” moderator.

    That’s the best you’ve got “Mr. I Have a Masters Degree form Northwestern”?
    Somewhere Mencken weeps!
    Off you go then….back to your Food and Whine magazine.

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  36. fish Avatar
    fish

    I read the full text as well, and agree with Michael, it does nothing to change my opinion of his sentiments. Since when is paternalistic racism any different than virulent racism or even veiled racism?
    I guess I can understand how you and jeffy with your extra sensitive racist/truffle detecting olfactory senses can tell Bundy is a racist.
    On what does Michael make his determination…..?

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  37. Barry Pruett Avatar

    Next on my reading list after I finish “A Patriot’s History of the United States”
    http://www.amazon.com/Uncle-Sams-Plantation-Government-Enslaves/dp/1595552235

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  38. Walt Avatar

    Joe needs a little help. Most “text books” were/are approved through the Texas book depository ( Or something close to that.. I’m still on my fist cup of battery acid.) For the longest time any book our kids studied from was approved by LIBS. That changed only a few years ago when some people from the Right had a majority on the board.. No,, the left wasn’t happy about that one bit.
    And yes,, grade school teachers CAN choose what books to teach from.( at least when my kids where there.) How do I know this? I paid for the book(s) the teacher wanted for the entire class. ( about 30 if I remember correctly)

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  39. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “On what does Michael make his determination…..?”
    Superficial resemblance to his own racist family.
    From what he’s written at the echo chamber, “I come from good Mormon stock. Clivan talks just like one of my uncles in Salt Lake City when I was growing up in the 60s. A very sweet man but also a racist. It was how he was raised and there was no changing him.”
    Having read his complete statements, I find it reprehensible of the NYT to have edited Bundy’s comments to put him in the worst possible light. While he uses politically incorrect terms and phrases that would not fly on Planet Frisco, I expect in his own hick Mormon community he would be a model of non-racist expression. As good as it gets.

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  40. Walt Avatar

    Hay Joe!! A big fan of the Clippers? Or was the old buzzard taken out of context? How could a devout LIB be so racist? Naaaa….. A vast right wing conspiracy… ( But an 80 year old rancher… Now that’s ANOTHER story)

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  41. fish Avatar
    fish

    Superficial resemblance to his own racist family.
    I must say that the olfactory talents that jeffy and Steve display, not only at sniffing out racism, but by smell alone differentiating among the various types. Impressive indeed!
    The Bundy statement, when seen in its unedited form, shows a man concerned for the plight of the inner city black!. Obviously that’s the worst sort of racism….the New York Times was right to edit it for intent.

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  42. George Rebane Avatar

    fish 1017am – Well said. My only nitpick is that your last sentence should read, “… the New York Times was right to edit it for prescribed intent.”

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  43. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Hey Greg, any chance you can find the time to go fuck yourself today?

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  44. fish Avatar
    fish

    Hey Greg, any chance you can find the time to go fuck yourself today?
    Always time for that Michael…….
    From my bud….the “H M”
    Here’s the thing, what Sterling has said concerning race is, by all metrics, objectively worse than what Bundy said. However, the media portray Bundy as Hitler lite, and Sterling as merely an eccentric old pervert.
    Bundy put his foot in his mouth when he observed that the modern welfare state had the effect of destroying traditional family values in the Black community, replacing them with an ethic of dependence and instant gratification, a form of mental slavery that was, in its own way, worse than the physical slavery of the past where Black folk at least learned a skill that they used in the Reconstructionist era to farm and attempt to advance in society before Jim Crow put a stop to that. It was stunningly uneloquent, but it was nothing like Sterling’s unadulterated hate. In justifying his housing discrimination, Sterling said that “blacks ‘smell, they’re not clean,’ and that Mexicans ‘just sit around and smoke and drink all day.’. Not to mention his bizarre interracial cuckold fetish, shared by a certain equally racist troll of whom we all know, that dehumanizes his lovers into some kind of living, breathing sex doll.
    Yet, Bundy committed the sin of standing up to the Federal government… and that makes all the difference.

    I guess that’s why the racism smells different at times to jeffy and Steve.

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  45. Walt Avatar

    Uh,, how many times do we hear our resident LIBS complain about ” personal attacks”,, and name calling?? As usual,, when cornered,, the nastiness pours out, right on time.
    What’s wrong Mike?,, another smear of Mr. Bundy was exposed for what it was?
    More selective editing by Progressive news,, right on the heals of Trayvon Martin’s 911 tapes.
    If someone just won’t say what you hope they will, butcher the audio/video to fit one’s needs.
    When the doctored statements came out, it got a little of the desired effects.
    At least in the short term.
    Now head on over to the nearest tattoo joint, and have that Democrat jackass with the words ” By any means necessary” placed on your Left ass cheek.
    Hell… round up the Lefty heard and you all should get one.

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  46. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Mike may be upset because I continue to live in his head 24/7 without paying grazing fees.

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  47. fish Avatar
    fish

    Hey Greg, any chance you can find the time to go fuck yourself today?
    followed by:
    Mike may be upset because I continue to live in his head 24/7 without paying grazing fees.
    Call me crazy but these kinds of completely unregulated utterances make we wonder why George doesn’t moderate his blog?

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  48. Walt Avatar

    There autta be a law… ” The people have first dibs before destruction of what WE paid for.”
    Remember that government cheese debacle? ( tons of cheese was marked for destruction)
    Well here we go again, and this stuff isn’t even “perishable”…
    http://www.stripes.com/report-pentagon-to-destroy-1b-in-ammunition-1.280372
    What’s the diff.??? Right? it’s only money taken from us tax payers.
    The way LIBS like to do things, it may cost 2 billion to get the job done.
    I could use PLENTY of that 7.62 NATO
    ( Never mind that the GOV was on a role sucking up every bullet on the civilian market last year.)

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  49. George Rebane Avatar

    fish 1237pm – Do you have a recommended set of protocols for regulating utterances on RR? Outbursts like MikeA’s 1029am and Mr Tozer’s 955pm are sufficiently rare and seem to function as relief valves before people get back to presenting and criticizing ideas. I haven’t been able to come up with any clear boundaries for moderation that would then itself become an ongoing topic of debate and/or just drive commenters away. Unfortunately, running a more than less open forum does come with a price. Thoughts would be welcome.

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  50. fish Avatar
    fish

    fish 1237pm – Do you have a recommended set of protocols for regulating utterances on RR? Outbursts like MikeA’s 1029am and Mr Tozer’s 955pm are sufficiently rare and seem to function as relief valves before people get back to presenting and criticizing ideas. I haven’t been able to come up with any clear boundaries for moderation that would then itself become an ongoing topic of debate and/or just drive commenters away. Unfortunately, running a more than less open forum does come with a price. Thoughts would be welcome.
    Actually no George….it’s yet another example of my juvenile sense of humor getting off the leash! As you know I do appreciate the free-for-all nature of your forum!

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