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George Rebane

When tyrannies make the laws, all opponents of tyranny are then seen and treated as criminals.

The ownership and control of our public lands is a mess, both legally and constitutionally.  Save for military bases (an arguably constitutional provision), why does the federal government claim ownership – laughably in the name of ‘the public’ – of large parts of the country?  Save for preserving certain particularly scenic locales as public parks, why do states need to own land?  (I find federal ownership of land for parks and recreation to also be constitutionally unfounded.)  Yes, there are reasons for state governments to share control of ‘infrastructure land’ that contain navigable rivers, flood control dams and levees, and water reservoirs, but owning thousands of square miles of open range, mountains, and forests, the case for such has no reasonable constitutional basis.

PublicLands
(Recall the definition of ownership, you ‘own’ something only to the extent that you can dispose of it as you wish.)

Due to the Bundy Ranch gathering of citizens concerned with the jackboot behavior of various fed and state agencies, the BLM has decided to withdraw in order to regroup and replan their next assault, because they apparently expected none of what happened – e.g. consider the set aside of a little ‘First Amendment Rights’ pen for the few people who might show up to quietly protest as permitted by their betters.

I was heartened that this event finally demonstrated what can happen when citizens ‘just say NO!’, both in their courage to unambiguously state that a limit to overreach had been broached, and also by the rapid gathering of supportive citizens who were willing to take an unknown risk against militarized government units armed with machine guns, snipers, and helicopters.  I hope that this might set an inspiring example for locals all over the country to resist the next diktat that comes down from above to perfunctorily limit more of what/how/when people can do, say, wear, eat, build, travel, stay, read, watch, learn, work, recreate, worship, display, spend, receive, join, … .  If the Bundy standoff can serve as the starting point for Americans everywhere to change their recently inbred docile acceptance to one of critical examination and consideration before compliance or its rejection, then this will have been a productive milestone on the road back to liberty.  (Nevada County electeds please take note.)

As to resolving the grazing on public lands matter, I expect that the feds will be back after an appropriate media propaganda blitz that will demonize the Bundys and others who may have similar thoughts.  Here we can hope that this will raise the country’s awareness of the public lands issue, and after appropriate debate, lead to a resolution that gets the feds out of the land management business and, perhaps, shuts down a tax consuming bureaucracy.  Important and exciting times ahead.

[19apr14 update]  Contrary to the somewhat bombastic interpretations of our progressive constitutional pundits, the legitimacy of federal retention of vast tracts of western lands is being called to question by lawmakers in western states (more here).  The historical legality of such federal retention which I and a number of other observers have criticized is now coming to the attention of some of our conservative political leadership.  The bottom line is still that the feds have usurped the states’ intended rights to own and control (i.e. dispose of as they will) public lands within their borders, and a progressive judicial system has made mockery of the clear original intent of the Constitution in this matter.

Perhaps now a reasoned debate can start on the most appropriate process through which we can erase the overwhelming amount of the western red areas in the above map.  To be sure, the big government collectivists will fight tooth and nail to retain as much central control of domestic policies in Washington as possible.  America’s historical standards of liberty and self-determination demand the devolution of such central controls to the states and counties where the people live.

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318 responses to “A Takeaway from Bundy Ranch (updated 19apr14)”

  1. fish Avatar
    fish

    300 Comments
    Woo Hoo!
    jeffy…..hot topic for the week…..18……38% from jeffy himself!
    We’re number 1…..We’re number 1…..We’re number 1…..We’re number 1…..

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  2. Walt Avatar

    If you go back far enough Brad, I’m sure you can find some “dissed” people of the stone age. Try staying within the realm of common sense here.
    Homesteading laws of the day (way back when) are what’s applicable.
    Someone even tried to tie this to treaties. Well,, we had a “treaty” with the Ukraine.
    ” Disarm and we will protect you”… Well,, they got rid of their deterrents of invasion, and we hung them out to dry.
    ( That was MY little, ” look over here”.) Indians got nutt’n to do with this.
    I have yet to hear the Indians publically bitch, or lay any claim, past or present.
    This is because the head of BLM is Harry Custer’s head stooge, and them cows was interfering with high dollar deals for Reid and Son.

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  3. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Ah, I can see and read the smoke signals from here. Palefaces are many, we are few. They be bigem, we be small. They won, we lost. Fooled me once. Now The Great Half White Father in Washington is big, we who believe in local control are small. They are many, we a few. But I will not get fooled twice. Custer plenty blew Bighorn. Time to put on the warpaint. Nobody forgets where the hatchet is buried.
    Many solar panels across the plains like once many buffalo. Then palefaces kill the buffalo and lay shinny mirrors where buffalo once roamed. Now my wife drives a 40 thousand dollar car and works at a 9 dollar an hour job. Just like a white woman.

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  4. Walt Avatar

    Good job Bill.. That’s one of your better ones. Nice touch with the hatchet.
    How come Indians held out on their turtle soup recipe? Those things had to get endangered somehow,,, and apparently the only thing out there to dwindle the numbers
    were Indians.

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  5. Walt Avatar

    BTW Bill,, Some of those Indians have figured out how to stick it to the White man.
    used the laws against him too. That’s why they have casinos just about where ever they please. I recall the local LIBS going nuts believing that the Chapa Dee Indian clinic was just a steppingstone to a casino. You know,, those vary same that chastise others for keeping the “red man” down, and stealing their lands. ( until they might
    try and make a buck “next door”.)

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  6. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Gregory But your icon, Bundy…” -Paul
    Paul, that’s the sort of Daily Show snark that would be best left to professionals, not a news director of what is supposed to be a radio station that serves the entire community. Perhaps if you would quote anything I’ve written that would lead a rational person that I was holding Bundy up as if an icon, I’d take your latest as something more than another Emery boxing round.
    To Frisch, I had your snail mail addresses before your promise of specific contact info for your board. You are a public person, well known for your association with SBC and, dare I say, would just be another cook with a failed restaurant without it. Most CEOs have a board who cares about the public actions of their executives; we’ll see if your board is any different when it comes to a libel per se or two, on this blog and others.
    I had managed to dig out more specific and personal contact info months ago, but thought I’d continue to get you to fulfill your promise as something akin to a Douglas Adams “recreational impossibility”.

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  7. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Just making sure, are you saying the government is taking his private property and the other rancher’s private property through eminent domain?” -Brad
    Brad, Bundy and the other area ranchers had grazing and water rights on public lands, and had made improvements to the property over the years to improve access to water by livestock, wildlife and people, and the BLM levies grazing fees to cover management costs. The BLM used regulatory powers, not eminent domain, to try to force all to give up the grazing rights and all value of the water rights. It worked for 52 of the 53. The last one is a feisty old cuss.
    The actions of the BLM in Clark County sure sounds similar to the BLM actions in the Tonopah district that resulted in the scathing Federal court decision against the BLM I posted.
    Ranchers who make improvements to public lands for the benefit of their livestock have no expectations of exclusive use; anyone and any creature can avail themselves of the water. Contrast that to pot growers squatting on Federal lands, who have been known to boobytrap their grows, or take potshots (or worse) at folks who stumble upon the crop.

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  8. Brad Croul Avatar
    Brad Croul

    Bundy might have been able to homestead up to 640 acres. Did the Bundy family ever try to do that? He was grazing far more BLM land than that.
    From Wiki –
    The homestead acts were much abused.[19] Although the intent was to grant land for agriculture, in the arid areas east of the Rocky Mountains, 640 acres (2.6 km2) was generally too little land for a viable farm (at least prior to major federal public investments in irrigation projects). In these areas, people manipulated the provisions of the act to gain control of resources, especially water. A common scheme was for an individual, acting as a front for a large cattle operation, to file for a homestead surrounding a water source, under the pretense that the land was to be used as a farm. Once the land was granted, other cattle ranchers would be denied the use of that water source, effectively closing off the adjacent public land to competition. That method was also used by large businesses and speculators to gain ownership of timber and oil-producing land. The federal government charged royalties for extraction of these resources from public lands. On the other hand, homesteading schemes were generally pointless for land containing “locatable minerals,” such as gold and silver, which could be controlled through mining claims under the Mining Act of 1872, for which the federal government did not charge royalties.
    Here is the pdf link to the, FEDERAL LAND POLICY AND MANAGEMENT ACT OF 1976
    http://www.blm.gov/flpma/FLPMA.pdf
    Title IV starts on page 33
    I don’t see him winning this battle – It looks like the Fed can give 2-year notice to vacate. Permit and leases are good for 10 years.

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  9. Brad Croul Avatar
    Brad Croul

    “Contrast that to pot growers squatting on Federal lands, who have been known to boobytrap their grows, or take potshots (or worse) at folks who stumble upon the crop.”
    Pot rustling like cattle rustling is a hangin’ offense, lol!

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  10. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Brad, the situation in Clark County doesn’t have anything to do with homesteading.

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  11. Brad Croul Avatar
    Brad Croul

    Just wanted to provide Walt with some homestead stuff I thought might interesting (see his post).

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  12. Walt Avatar

    Here Brad,, Take this stick and go over to that dead horse and have at it. Maybe you can beat it back to life.
    Seems LIB news finally showed up after how long? ( a “possible” racist story may be on the hoof) Too bad the “man of color” that CNN interviewed just wouldn’t “play ball”. Now that “man of color” gets the Uncle Tom treatment.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/04/25/black_bundy_bodyguard_hes_not_a_racist_id_take_a_bullet_for_that_man-comments.html
    BTW Brad,, the FEDS DID go onto HIS private property and destroy water storage.
    Justify that….
    So… What about the new Texas land grab that just got exposed for what it was?
    Not a LIB here has touched that.

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  13. Walt Avatar

    Poor CNN….
    CNN REPORTER: You’re protecting this man and he’s wondering whether African-Americans would be better off as slaves. How does that strike you?
    JASON BULLOCK, BODYGUARD FOR CLIVEN BUNDY: It doesn’t strike me any kind of way. This is still the same old Mr. Bundy I met from the first day of all this happening.
    CNN REPORTER: But aren’t those offensive comments to you
    BULLOCK: Not at all.
    CNN REPORTER: Not offensive?
    BULLOCK: Because Mr. Bundy is not a racist. Ever since I’ve been here he’s treated me with nothing but hospitality. He’s pretty much treated me like his own family.
    ###
    BULLOCK: I would take a bullet for that man, if need be. I look up to him just like I do my own grandfather.
    CNN REPORTER: Why?
    BULLOCK: Because I believe in his cause and after having met Mr. Bundy a few times, I have a really good feel about him and I’m a pretty good judge of character.”
    A “man of color” willing to take a government bullet for Mr. Bundy. That just goes against everything LIB!! How come they stopped interviews of other “people of color” that are there?
    BTW,, Just how did that tape get out in the first place?

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  14. Brad Croul Avatar
    Brad Croul

    Welcome to FedWorld, Walt. Where were you when the helicopters were flying over the marijuana gardens on private property, landing, confiscating plants, and destroying water tanks, and anything associated with the growing of the plants? They had been doing this for decades in your own neck of the woods- maybe you are too young to remember. Sure the pot was illegal, but were the water tanks, greenhouses, etc.?
    Regarding the rightwing hysteria, now around the “Great Texas Land Grab”, read the letter by the Texas Attorney General,
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2014/04/22/greg-abbott-letter-to-bureau-land-management/
    They are trying to determine a portion of the border between Oklahoma and Texas.

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  15. Walt Avatar

    I do believe that boarder has been well established.. But nice try none the less.
    Cattle grazing isn’t a FED crime like growing dope. Like you said,, ” welcome to FEDworld.” And who has been running the FEDS? Well, LIBS HAVE.. A monster of your own LIB making. Too stoned to remember “O”‘s speaking with forked tongue when promising to leave Ca. alone about the state pot laws? He got what he wanted,, your vote.. The sicked Holder and the boys on everything pot in the state. ( How else could they get their paws on more Ca. property to put in BLM’s holdings?) Drug forfeiture is big business for government. Hell…They even stopped prosecuting, thinking it saves money. But kiss your property goodbye.
    Like your weed? Like to grow it? There is a state called Colorado you can move too. It’s ALL legal there. ( Like the anti mining gang told us miners.. ” Go to Nev.”)
    Bitch to your fellow DEMS down in SAC for not standing up to the FED intrusion of state pot laws. Even the state won’t enforce the laws on the books. ( More picking and choosing by LIB government… what a surprise.) Ca. has become dependent on FED welfare payments, so CA. will do “O” and Co’s bidding to keep that handout money coming in.

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  16. Walt Avatar

    Maybe reading what is posted Brad, instead of jumping to wiki might help.
    “Johnson purchased 11,000 acres of land in Riverside County over 17 years ago, including Vail Lake, encompassing over 1,000 square surface acres of water. Now Johnson claims various levels of government are trying to seize the property, using intimidation under the guise of environmental concerns.”
    That rat isn’t endangered you say? Tell that to the guy that got fined for taking a plow to his own field to save his home, because a wild fire was headed his way.
    That happened to be “rat habitat” Ya… Dig into that too.

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  17. Brad Croul Avatar
    Brad Croul

    Don’t know where my post went, but you were the one who made the comment that they were taking the water from Johnson, or “we the people”, or whatever. I was just pointing out that a water district already owns the water.
    Rant on, dude.

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