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George Rebane

By any measure America would be seen as clinically insane by an alien observer arriving on earth.  The insanity is marbled in at all levels of society starting from the highest levels of government to the dishwasher in a small town hotel.  But the real problem is that about a third of our population is afflicted beyond redemption, and another third doesn’t really know or care what is happening around them.

The next step in granting de facto amnesty and immunity from deportation to illegal aliens is the new vote-accumulating Obama administration order that gives certain foreign nationals a pass just because they are related to an ex-GI.  The latest reported ‘heart warming’ case involves an Hispanic-American veteran who decided to marry an illegal alien, and then lobby for passing a new law that would exonerate law breakers who are/become his relatives (more here).  As usual, liberals see such a law as covering a tightly circumscribed, anecdotal circumstance that would have no spreading ripples.  But the US Code is stuffed with these kinds of laws that have become collateral damage bombshells after passage.  Starting such new dispensations for law-breakers related to vets, where do you think it would stop?  How soon will other criminals be able to plead for mitigation and/or extenuation because they are related to someone who served their country?


Dontadrian Bruce held up three fingers in a school picture signifying his jersey number on an athletic team, and was promptly expelled for the rest of the school year under the school’s ‘zero tolerance’ policy.   Totally plausible protestations of innocence (more here) didn’t do much good.  The kid’s sentence was reduced to about a month’s suspension apparently because he and everyone else should be up on the local gang signs in his town.

Things have gotten so out of hand about guns in school that kids who make an index finger gun with their hand or have half-eaten pastry that resembles the outline of a gun are kicked out of school by the bureaucratic thought police.  These worthies have thoughts that such behaviors precede the kinds of mass shootings by the insane that we have witnessed during the last decade or so.  Now Maryland and Florida have finally responded with their versions of the so-called ‘pop tart’ bills that are coursing their way through legislatures.  The hope is that when passed, these laws will reign in the zealous idiots in the schools’ administrations.  To be seen.

Our distinguished Nevada City hotelier reports that California will now require that his bartenders start wearing latex gloves when serving drinks that have a bit of vegetable matter added to them.  (Then the gloves must come off when handling the customers’ filthy lucre.)  Everyone in the state handling food will be so attired according to the new law.  The numbers of deaths and debilitations resulting from the hitherto mishandling of foodstuffs must have been massive to call for such legislation.  Oh yes, and everyone who is even remotely connected with food service in the hospitality industry – e.g. dishwashers in the kitchen – must now apply for and receive a ‘Food Handlers Certificate’ from the state of California – and that’ll be $15 please.  Of course no one has thought of the added cost and impact on productivity that this latest spate of feel good legislation will have.

This list is already very long and can be expanded indefinitely when we have tiers of underworked lamebrains (at their jobs of last resort) in the ranks of government trying to think up new ways for the state to benefit the people.  And who knows, each new law or regulation also has the possibility of expanding the public service sector because someone has to be hired to do monitoring and enforcement as the law is implemented.  After all, it’s all for the common good.

But the thought I want to leave you with, dear reader, is that there is no discernible strategy, plan, tack, … for correcting or slowing down this slide into autocratic madness.  There are even many otherwise sober and reasonable people who oppose such idiocies, but just throw up their hands and counsel going along to get along (see GATGA).  The age-old reasoning here is that it’s better to bend over today and be re-elected in hopes of then getting a backbone tomorrow.

[12mar14 update]  America’s resident mush minds have caused an explosion in deer populations, primarily east of the Mississippi.  The nation now has over 30 million deer, a hundred times more than it did in the 1800s and possibly more than ever lived on the continent.  They are busily destroying forests and crops and gardens, and even people who drive into them on highways (more here).  The leftwing idiots who have mangled our culture so that culling them by hunting is taboo in most areas, have also created this mess among their many other messes, and are now attempting to solve the problem through a bigger government that will create unfunded programs to either sterilize the deer or put the does on the pill or, I don’t know, train the stags to strap a balloon on their peckers before … (you can't make this stuff up).  And we all know that this type of madness is not limited to deer.  That the obvious solutions evade such people is further support of the proposition advanced by some serious thinkers that liberalism is indeed a form of mental illness.  From the available record, it has sure looked like that for at least a century now.  (for more on the psychological and psychiatric aspects of this notion, just google ‘liberalism, mental disorder’)

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70 responses to “The Growing Madness in the Land (updated 12mar14)”

  1. fish Avatar
    fish

    Things have gotten so out of hand about guns in school that kids who make an index finger gun with their hand or have half-eaten pastry that resembles the outline of a gun are kicked out of school by the bureaucratic thought police. These worthies have thoughts that such behaviors precede the kinds of mass shootings by the insane that we have witnessed during the last decade or so. Now Maryland and Florida have finally responded with their versions of the so-called ‘pop tart’ bills that are coursing their way through legislatures. The hope is that when passed, these laws will reign in the zealous idiots in the schools’ administrations.
    Simply not possible! Idiocy this powerful merely finds new and different ways in which to flower.

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  2. RL Crabb Avatar

    If plastic bags are killing the planet, just think of the damage latex gloves are doing. It’s so…unnatural!

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  3. Russ Steele Avatar

    Just think about the medical costs of excessive latex usage:
    Latex allergy is a medical term encompassing a range of allergic reactions to the proteins present in natural rubber latex.[1] Latex allergy generally develops after repeated exposure to products containing natural rubber latex.
    Latex sensitive bartenders are going top lose their jobs.

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  4. fish Avatar
    fish

    Latex sensitive bartenders are going top lose their jobs.
    That’s okay….I see another “protected class” on the horizon.

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  5. Bonnie McGuire Avatar

    Looks like Babylon syndrome with the great immigration flood of people speaking different languages, cultures etc. creating mass confusion in a nation that has forgotten its foundation and common sense.

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  6. Ryan Mount Avatar

    It appears that California lawmakers are trying to reverse this idiotic latex glove law with emergency legislation:
    http://www.sfgate.com/food/article/Lawmakers-pull-about-face-on-food-safety-glove-5295547.php
    Here is the coffee-spitting moment from the article:
    “‘It had unintended consequences,’ said Assemblyman Richard Pan, D-Sacramento, a physician and chairman of the Assembly’s Committee on Health, which carried the bill in the first place.”
    Here’s a tip for the State’s disembrained legislature: next time, how about talking to the people you represent before passing a law that fundamentally changes with way we go about our lives? What a bunch of d*cks.
    We have become such weenies, afraid of everything and looking for antibiotic wipes and creams to save us. Yikes germs! Reminds me of this:
    http://reason.com/reasontv/2008/04/24/food-fight

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  7. MikeL Avatar
    MikeL

    I will be telling food handlers at the restaurants that I frequent that I have a latex allergy and prefer that they handle my food with their bare hands…washed of course…

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  8. Ryan Mount Avatar

    Washing hands is far more effective. You have to change gloves frequently (and re-wash ones hands) in order for this to be effective.
    So in case of a bartender, s/he would be changing their gloves between drinks. Off the scale dumb.
    In a nutshell, this is a classic case of symbolism over substance; to make people feel safer rather than actually be safer. Our quest for a sterile society might ironically end up making sicker.

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  9. fish Avatar
    fish

    In a nutshell, this is a classic case of symbolism over substance; to make people feel safer rather than actually be safer. Our quest for a sterile society might ironically end up making sicker.
    You would think that the good doctor would have more sense…..or maybe not.
    More staggeringly good news for the nation:
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/11/inside-the-beltway-a-new-interested-in-rahm-emanue/
    The campaign slogans practically write themselves!
    Let Rahm do for America what he’s done for Chicago…or…Instead of the Illinois Wimp we have now…doesn’t America deserve an Illinois Thug
    It’s going to be a fun couple of years!

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  10. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    fish. Come over and tell your pal Ben Emery he is misguided about Netanyahu will you?

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  11. Gary Smith Avatar

    I wonder which third of society that I fit into? I don’t think it is the unlabeled one. I don’t agree with you most of time George but you are right on the mark with this one. The school issue of political correctness has been going on for some time. When my 28 year old son attended NU he was suspended for calling another boy a “fag”. I was told as a parent that if this happened again he would be expelled.

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  12. Walt Avatar

    Yes… The “growing madness”.. Just who was it here that said,” he who gets/spends the most money wins.”?
    Sorry to rain on your parade on this fine sunny day, but did you hear what happened in the FL. election? The lefys even through in the “kitchen” Sink
    to try and win. They out spent the conservative 3 to 1, yet still got their hat handed to them.
    So tell us again how “he who raises the most money wins”. Another fluke? That was the excuse when the same thing happened in Colorado recalls.
    The “madness” from the Left is only going to get worse.
    Heck. I may have to see who Mom votes for this time around.( absentee of course)

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  13. fish Avatar
    fish

    Heck. I may have to see who Mom votes for this time around.( absentee of course)
    Threadwinner!

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  14. Walt Avatar

    Another example of “madness”.. See the sour grapes in the paper about Blue Lead Mine? The local ECO gang over near Greenhorn Creek got caught with their pants down, even after the County sent out notices. They want a “do over”. How dare the mine be allowed to reopen. Yes… MORE madness to follow.

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  15. Keen Observer Avatar
    Keen Observer

    I wonder which undergraduate degree will be required by the state for the workers (with full benefits of course) that will administer birth control to does and teach bucks to properly utilize latex (now is the time to invest in Trojan Condoms, whom will no doubt land the RFP from the Federal Gov.). I can see it now, B.S. in Mammalian Population Control. Is there no end to the bureaucracy?

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  16. George Rebane Avatar

    Our designated reader reports that RR posts and comment streams are still the hot topics on leftwing blogs. One worthy there took this post to task citing bogus statistics to make the case that the deer population problem was due to the lack of hunters. While laughable, these folks have their blinders firmly over their eyes when it comes to the impact that liberal gun hysteria and promotion of animal ‘rights’ over the years has had on what can be hunted where and when. The above cited deer population problem could be solved very quickly with more enlightened hunting laws.
    About 200 people are killed and countless others injured by collisions with deer each year. The dollar cost of this carnage is over $1.1B. But progressive policies ignore this loss of human life and attendant liberties, for it serves their greater (A21) goals of how humans should live and deport themselves.

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  17. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    About 200 people are killed and countless others injured by collisions with deer each year. — This is real important..NOT! Perhaps a more important question might be how many people die and what are the costs from industrial pollution. I bet it’s more than 200 and $1.1b. Another classic example of making mountains out of molehills complete with conjectural blaming of liberal policies. Pretty sketchy. How do you know the rise in the deer population is not due to some other cause like an abundance of food caused by unusual weather. You don’t, but it is very convenient to make such a spurious connection.
    Thank god they passed the farm bill so po people won’t starve! — Yes there are always incidents of people trying to beat the system. It would seem to me that the simple solution is for businesses in question to not take EBT cards. Or is the sale more important than ethics? If stores don’t take the cards then there is no foul. It is a two way street. Some information on welfare queens.
    http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/12/this-chart-blows-up-the-myth-of-the-welfare-queen/282452/

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  18. fish Avatar
    fish

    Sad to see the rationalization machine spin up….I probably won’t get to the Atlantic article immediately Joe…perhaps you can enlighten me as to whether policing the system and preventing people from using their benefits at strip clubs and X-rated book stores was addressed?

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  19. Russ Steele Avatar

    Fish, You forgot the Casinos with EBT machines.

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  20. Stevenfrisch Avatar
    Stevenfrisch

    You may disagree that the decline in hunters coupled with expanding woodland habitat east of the Mississippi has anything to do with increasing deer populations, which a large number of state fish and game biologists agree is the case, but my stats are not bogus. Less people hunt. End of story.

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  21. fish Avatar
    fish

    Fish, You forgot the Casinos with EBT machines.
    My bad Russ! Thanks!

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  22. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    More cougars and wolves! More hunters!! More poppa deers with rubbers on them peckers [that unfortunate image is now stuck in my head…damn]!!!!

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  23. Russ Steele Avatar

    Why are fewer people hunting? Most people used to hunted to feed their families. In the 1940s and 1950s my family hunted every year to fill the freezer for the winter: deer, antelope, and elk. We fished in the rivers and froze the fish in coffee cans filled with water. Many of our neighbors did the same. It was part of survival strategy in rural Idaho, and still is in some Idaho counties. Then the Great Society came along in the 1960s to eliminate poverty. The need to hunt for survival declined. Over time it was easier to get food from the government and the culture changed, hunting was look down on by those who were incapable of doing what was once part of a survival skill. Since many citizens no longer had the hunting skills, and the government was keeping them from starving, the unskilled made it culturally intenable to hunt poor Bambi, Bambi’s mother and father. Thus, there are fewer hunters and more deer to run into at night on the highway. Take way those EBT cards and there will soon be a lot more hunting in rural counties across the nation.

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  24. George Rebane Avatar

    JoeK 1113am – your incisive logic again compared factors not coupled in my post. In more detail, my point is that the liberals’ solution to such problems is always more expensive, intrusive, and ineffective government applied belatedly. The deer population in the east has been for decades a growing danger, environmental detriment, and homeowner nuisance. The deaths and cost stat was just an illustration of this and not an exhaustive comparison of societal costs from many sources. But thanks for the effort.
    According to the Fish & Wildlife Service today there are 13.7M hunters still braving the regulatory web to hunt where and when it is legal. If the hunting laws in the affected regions were rolled back to what they were in the 1940-50s (see RussS 1204pm), the problem would be solved for zero marginal cost. And that especially if the venison could be donated to various charities.

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  25. Russ Steele Avatar

    I got this from the Diplomad 2.0 but it applies to this discussion. I was first aleted to this liberal crap last year when my Graddaughter in 8th grade at the time asked me if I had seen it. It was shown in her Social Studies. I pointed out the inconsistence, in the hope she would ask her teachers some questions. Here is the Diplomad’s version:
    My daughter came home yesterday with an assignment from her sociology professor to watch a video called “The Story of Stuff.” You can watch it on YouTube, if you have the stomach for it.
    I note this because it is emblematic of the nonsense being taught university students all over the Western world. It is full of non-facts, e.g., “we have used up one-third of the earth’s natural resources,” and pushes relentlessly the idea of limits, limits, limits. It also has the customary jibes at “corporations” and capitalism and bemoans that government is not doing enough to “protect us.”
    I don’t know who the person is in the video but she talks gibberish and delivers it in a baby-talk sort of way that I guess is how one must address university students these days.
    Nowhere in the anti-capitalist, anti-consumption diatribe does the video mention the power of innovation, e.g., the internet has revolutionized the world without using any appreciable amounts of non-renewable resources. Beyond that, of course, the video and the college professor teaching this absurd class cannot answer one simple question, “Can you name one, one, one nonrenewable resource that we have run out of?” Iron, copper, coal, tin, silver, gold, oil, gas? The video is also full of nonsense about the forests being cut down in North America. The video claims that only 4% of the forest cover that existed at the time of European settlers exists today. The US Forest Service would beg to differ, noting that about 70% of the forest land that existed in 1670 remains forest. In addition, another 7% is in what is called “reserved forest land,” and on and on. You can read the report for yourselves.
    The universities are hopeless. This all confirms my worst fears that increasingly we are being ruled and dominated by people with no idea how wealth, real wealth, is created.

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  26. fish Avatar
    fish

    Partial retraction of 10:18 am…as well as a partial validation of Joes request:
    It would seem to me that the simple solution is for businesses in question to not take EBT cards. Or is the sale more important than ethics? If stores don’t take the cards then there is no foul.
    http://reason.com/blog/2014/03/13/raw-story-totally-busts-reason-in-the-gr

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  27. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    On the issue of people using food stamp cards to buy non-food items: On whom does the greater mischief fall. the person who uses their EBT card to purchase non-food items or the business organization that willingly makes the exchange? Or is their equal culpability?

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  28. fish Avatar
    fish

    I don’t expect much discretion from either party. There should be a way (I know there is because this isn’t the first time the government has been embarrassed in this fashion resulting in a mad scramble to curtail access to casinos and the like) to restrict the vendors to grocery retailers.

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  29. Walt Avatar

    Us hunters have been going elsewhere. Ca. has raised fees and added restrictions
    past the point of stupid. Maybe Joe and Steve should ask those who (or did) hunt. Then there is the fact that most private property parcels are now so small, that they are un-huntable. There is always someone’s house not that far away. ( a little thing called hunting safety)
    Deer in places like LWW and LOP know full well they are safe from ALL predator’s and never leave. They inbreed and many are sick. Yet nothing is done. Same goes for wild Turkeys. Many have turned “blond” ( no offence ladies)
    But again for some reason ,nothing has or will be done.
    Even pig and bear tag fees have gone up. Harvested bears are down close to 60% since the hunting laws changed. ( So welcome Yogy and BooBoo with open arms on a more regular basis. Then only F&G will be shooting bears.( nuisance bears)
    But we read a while back that people were peeved a bear was taken out and shot
    because he broke into a home. BTW,, There have been MANY bears getting into occupied homes this last Fall. Right here in the county. The bear went in one door, while the occupants fled through another. ( no fear) Nope,, you didn’t see that in the paper. But you can find them in the sheriff log books.
    The ECO gang did a good job of ruining hunting. Now enjoy the critter overpopulation.

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  30. Russ Steele Avatar

    Here is a local animal control story, related to me by a family friend who was with Fish and Game. A family moved to Nevada County from the Bay Area and bought an house on the north side of Idaho Maryland about two miles from Brunswick. The lady of house was very upset by the coyotes barking and howling at night in her neighborhood. She demanded F&G remove the animals. Fish and Game complied. Two year latter the lady called Fish and Game complaining about the rabbits that were eating her flowers and garden plants. The F&G Officer explained the rabbits were her problem, she had requested the coyotes which control rabbit populations be removed, and they did not plan to return them. “Wait another year, and they will return to eat the rabbits,” said the Officer. “Have a nice day.”

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  31. Walt Avatar

    Russ. Thanks for that reminder.. Ya’ know that Target store in Auburn?
    I had my role in it’s construction. We had ” Friends of Bell Rd.” (or some other obstructionist clan.) out to make noise and our lives miserable.)
    That hole was a swamp. They were out to “save this,, save that” but not an endangered nuttn’ existed. Just one small Beaver dam. Beavers living in the middle of all that racket, not to mention next to 49! Who knew?
    After I cleaned all the muck , mud, and homeless refuse, and the Beaver dam too, the critters built a new dam just up stream from the creek crossing 49.
    And did a fine job judging by all the new flooded low lands. ( one of our agitators property by chance). Even Fish and Game had had enough when the people demanded the Beavers be removed. F&G explained that they are not endangered. Hire a trapper at their expense, or shoot the damned things.
    What happened after that I don’t know. But the “new lake” was gone in a few days.
    Nature came back to bite the hand that protested for them.

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  32. RL Crabb Avatar

    Back in the nineties, there were reports of a buck elk wandering around the west county, until some bozo shot “the biggest deer I ever seen!” Fish & Game was not amused, and fined him accordingly.

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  33. Russ Steele Avatar

    Walt,
    You reminded me of another beaver dam story. I was stationed at Loring AFB Maine that was build in a large meadow, that had several streams crossing it. One was channeled about 6 to 8 feet deep behind the Bachelor Offices Quarter(BOQ) and along side of the Officers Club, both brick buildings, with the small stream running about 75 to 100 feet from both buildings. The base was 16 years old when I arrived in 1963 to live in the BOQ. In the years since the stream was channelled, willows grew on the banks of the channel. It was hard to see the channel through the mature willow thickets.
    The Officers Club was about 200 yards from the BOQ with path that paralleled the stream connecting the two. One spring morning the path was covered with water. The beavers had quietly built a huge dam in the channel and the spring flow was escaping flowing down the path toward the officers club. The beavers were captured and move elsewhere on the huge base, the Air Forces largest, and the engineers destroyed the dam with a crane with a giant claw. The next spring the water was again flowing down the path, the beavers had returned and rebuilt the dam. Again they were captured and removed. Dam removed. Third spring, the beavers and the dam were back. The base police were called they hunted down and shot the beavers and the dam was removed. That summer we moved to Castle AFB in Merced, and forgot about the beavers. Thirty years later at reunion, the subject of Loring’s beavers enter the conversation. They kept coming back year after year, and finally the Air Force put in a pipe and covered over the channel to keep the beavers from building more dams and flooding the Officer Club. Moral of the story, you better know what you are doing when you start messing with Mother Natures critters.

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  34. Russ Steele Avatar

    In retrospect, the channel was closer to 3-4 feet deep were the dam was built, but deeper behind the BOQ which was on a little higher ground.

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  35. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Many people call deer “rats with antlers”, but alas, I have been a hunter and I on;y hit one in my lifetime. It was crossing the road at night full steam ahead and it hit me and went flying. I stopped and watched as it got up and boogied away. That was on McCourtney by the Fairgrounds.
    Funny how we (well not me) voted to stop killing cougars in our state and the number of deer has grown. Anyone have an idea why?

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  36. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Has the number of deer grown in California? I think the original reference George made was to deer populations ‘east of the Mississippi.” Here is a chart from the California Department of Fish and Wildlife indicating a drop in populations in California since the early 70’s, but the chart ends before 2000.
    http://www.dfg.ca.gov/wildlife/hunting/deer/population.html
    Here is an article quoting Fish and Game re: deer population and late seral forests.
    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/04/09/144553/as-habitat-disappears-so-does.html
    It would appear that fire suppression, over growth in our forest, and interruptions with deer migratory corridors and fawning grounds has more to do with declining populations than mountain lion populations do.
    A pretty good reason to go back to select thinning in California forests along with re-introduction of low intensity ground fire, the conditions we saw before the 1900’s
    Critical point “east of the Mississippi”.

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  37. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Old data.I talk to hunters of which my son is one and they say there is an abundant number and growing larger. In this end of the county these animals are everywhere. I have a family about 1/4 mike up onmy street and the buck is huge.
    During the General Plan hearings of the mid nineties, I was able to fight off the attempts by the eco nuts to lock up thousands of private property acres for the deer “migration” corridors which were in fashion at the time. If you want to check it out go back and read the transcripts. It weas a big deal at the time.

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  38. Walt Avatar

    Ever see LWW deer? Some are no bigger than goats, and the antlers just don’t seem to fit the body.
    The ECO gang love to claim “critters just can’t co-mingle with man”(BS). Tell that to the ones in LWW or LOP, or anywhere else critters are safe from hunting or predation.
    Now us hunters in Ca. have to deal with the lead bullet ban. See the price of copper?

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  39. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    The charts I posted indicated that we are near the top of the norm for deer population, and is the most up to date charted data out there right now for California. There is data on a subregional level that is newer, for example recent studies in the northern Sierra. So I would agree populations would appear to be high.
    But of course if you stuck your finger out the window and got your finger licked by a doe your anecdotal observation from your porch is surely more accurate than the Department of Fish and Wildlife biologists!
    Oh, and you locked nothing up….state regulation covers deer migratory corridors not local general plan land use policy.

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  40. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    The deer corridors were being used to lock up and regulate to a new level the private property in the county. The issue then was drawing the lines and accepting the corridors as a fact and made one more mitigation in any landuse applications. You obviously were not there ot knew anything about it or you would not have made the dopey statement above.

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  41. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    This link to the Nevada County General Plan, starting at page 30, will show the extent of the discussion and the final wording. In the beginning the DFG and the local eco nuts were trying to forbid a property owner to use land they decided was a “fawning area” and a “corridor”. I helped get that out of the plan thank goodness.
    https://secure.mynevadacounty.com/nc/cda/planning/docs/General%20Plan/Volume%202.%20Nevada%20County%20General%20Plan%20%281995%29/VOL%202%20SEC5.pdf

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  42. Walt Avatar

    Corridors?,,, Really? Deer go where they damned well please. Good luck with signs ” no deer past this point”.
    These deer don’t “migrate”. I had the same doe in my yard for several years.
    Then she brought her kids by to eat up my lawn and flowers.
    I wonder what the excuse will be when the pig explosion takes hold.
    No one hears about that.

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  43. Walt Avatar

    Your gonna love this Beaver tail…
    http://downeastwildliferehabilitationcenter.com/thedam.htm
    The response to the gov. is priceless.

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  44. Walt Avatar

    ATF coming to a gun store near YOU!!
    http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/15/calif-gun-store-owner-to-feds-no-you-cant-have-my-customer-list/
    Just what our “all rights caring” LIBS said would NEVER happen.

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  45. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    So lets see, just the facts; having read the appropriate section, Nevada County’s general plan contain no limits on CDFW activities above and beyond what is allowed in state law.
    Deer do indeed use migratory corridors to access summer and winter range and fawning grounds. That is an established fact. If you interfere with their migration by feeding or providing salt licks the Bambi you have in your backyard or the copse of trees in your neighborhood is not an indicator of species behavior when uninterrupted.
    Science is science and anecdotal information gained by drinking a beer on your porch is just that, anecdotal.

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  46. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Well I can’t believe the Frisch actually admits he knew nothing about what he was bloviating on the deer issues! The reason the language ended up as it does in the GP is because the lefties here tried to make it another hoop for landowners and it was defeated. Your Truckee herd included.

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  47. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    I admitted no such thing Todd. I have read my share of studies on the Truckee and Loyalton deer herds, as well as comment letters from the CDFW on the issue regarding specific projects in Nevada County. The CDFW regulatory authority over these issues is ABOVE the General Plan; they have a separate mandate under the California Fish and Game code.
    If you want to think you did something ‘important’ as a Supervisor to assuage your ego, that is fine by me.
    By the way do you agree that deer use corridors to migrate between summer and winter habitat and for fawning? If so, why would you not correct Walt?
    I’ll tell you why. Because if a friend is full of shit but they agree with you on other things you won’t correct them. That about says it all. A evidenced repeatedly here you guys are the kings of anecdotal nonsense.

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  48. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Frisch, wqe all know when you are lying. You know nothing about the deer and now that I ave pointed out the facts you claim some form of knowledge. We know you. Regarding the deer. Sure they travel back and forth because of weather and time of year just like the caribou. Except short travel distances. The DFG is the minimum the state does and the General Plan can make it tougher. That is how law works and I am surprised you, the self proclaimed “smartest bear” did not know that. Walt has much more intelligence than you and I know that eats at your craw. He is a good man and he does not treat others as you do here. He is well read and his heart is in the right place. You are the one who we always have to correct and your cut/paste gets really old but we still put up with you. Oh, and how come I never saw you at any of the many meetings on the General Plan and Zoning back then?

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  49. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Todd, something either “eats at you” or “sticks in your craw”, nothing I know of eats a craw.
    I attended eastern Nevada County General Plan meetings, why didn’t I see you there?
    You did not answer the question about why you did not correct Walt.

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