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George Rebane

From recent developments we again see that compromising your principles to play the ‘go along to get along’ (GATGA) game does not work.  It looks like the two Republican strategies I outlined in 'Republican Rumblings' were spot on when we consider what went down at CPAC this week, and what the Repubs are doing to themselves and having done to them by the Dems in the GATGA game.

Rand Paul and other speakers at the conservatives’ conference definitely stated their firm preference to stick to principles no matter the short term pain.  According to their lights and available evidence GATGA does not work within or without our borders.  Look at what the established Republican leadership is doing across the country.  Never mind, just look at the nearby race for California's 4th congressional district race in which the party’s establishment wants to weaken incumbent Tom McClintock who gets highest marks from conservatives for not playing GATGA.  They will run Art Moore against him who in 2014 sounds like one step removed from a Democrat, and that small step is opposition to Obamacare in which he is today joined by many Democrats.  (more here)

As predicted, the recently passed farm bill has now been rolled up tightly and shoved up the Republicans’ collective you know what.  It took only about a month for the Dems to erase the much touted (by Repubs) but iffy $800M food stamp savings this year through a clever gaming of the ‘heat and eat’ gambit that for some reason they never saw coming.  This involves the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program (Liheap) – great name since it is a heap of lies.  Liheap beneficiaries automatically qualify for food stamps, so state level Dems have started spreading around heating checks for amounts as low as $1 to one cent to increase their federal food stamp rolls and buy a bunch more votes.  So the projected savings from raising the Liheap trigger to $20 is out the window when states send out checks for $20.01 and $21.  The wealth redistributors' math is on the mark; for spending an additional $1 they receive about $48 extra dollars from Washington.  Congressman Doug Lamalfa, call your office.


Detroit and Chicago will really show how liberals play the Chapter 9 (municipal bankruptcy) version of GATGA.  Its short name is ‘Unions Win, Creditors Lose’.  The banks which made those less than doubtful loans are either dumber than 2x4s with faces painted on them, or thought they had a GATGA wink-wink with the feds to bail them out when the cities go belly up.  The unbelievable part is that they’re still making these loans even though towns like Detroit, Stockton, Vallejo, … are demonstrating that it is perfectly ethical to stiff the lenders (and taxpayers) when you get your tender parts caught in a wringer.  It’s part and parcel of our new progressive culture.

Here in California we also have the Calpers and Calstrs version of GATGA that has been played by our double dummy or scumbag (take your pick) local politicians for decades.  Calpers, claiming it made a mistake reading mortality tables, has raised annual contribution requirements by $1.2B.  Calstrs, whose teachers can’t do math let alone teach it, have underestimated their contribution requirements and are now raising them somewhere between $5.3B to $5.7B annually.  And we’re not even going to get into the unfunded liability totals for those pension funds, which have been covered extensively in these pages.

Going overseas to see how GATGA is working out there, we all know that Putin has been playing pin the tail on Obama with every turn of the diplomatic screw from the so-called Arab Spring to Ukraine crisis.  NPR’s Mara Liasson this morning pointed out that all those problems can also be laid on Bush2’s back, since he didn’t go into Georgia with guns blazing when Putin rolled his army across the border and essentially annexed a couple of Georgian provinces.

But things took a definite turn for the worse when our president-in-waiting and then SecState Hillary took Obama's big red reset button to Moscow.  That little plastic toy was supposed to demonstrate America’s willingness to enter a new round of GATGA with the latest version of the ever-insecure and corrupt Greater Trans-Ural Slavic Empire under whatever name it now presents itself.  You’d think someone in that administration would have read a history book that was written before the Great Society kicked in.

That Putin loathes Team Obama from the boss on down is no secret.  The best great white hope to assuage Putin resides in Dr Angela Merkel – they both respect each other and speak German in private.  Merkel can talk to Putin about Russia’s legitimate concerns – e.g. the centuries old fear of being attacked from multiple sides through indefensible borders, and the shrinking Slavic demographics.  Angela can lay out for Vladimir without any military overtones that he needs to change Russia from a corrupt thugacracy to some version of free or state run (a la China) market capitalism.  I believe that Merkel can also dangle a future Russian membership in NATO (or its successor) if Putin can straighten out and fly right – in short, invite him to try a round of GATGA with the west which would cooperate by not setting up a grim array of NATO countries on its border.

Such a new geo-strategy makes all the sense in the world given Russia’s shrinking population that attempts to guard and develop untold riches in its trans-Ural regions.  Those same riches are in the cross-hairs of China and pan-Islamism which easily unites under the banner of colonizing to spread the faith.  (Look at the diverse sources of Islamic funding for maintaining and spreading Muslim conclaves throughout Europe and America.)  Angela can have that conversation with Vladimir and act as a trusted go-between with the EU and America, especially now that our Chief Community Naif has more flexibility.

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61 responses to “Go along to get screwed”

  1. RL Crabb Avatar

    I’d be surprised if Ms. Merkel has any kind thoughts concerning Vlad Putin. I saw the video of the meeting they had where he brought in a big dog (couldn’t see too well but it might have been a rottweiller) to sit in front of Angie, who is terrified of dogs. Great negotiating tactic.

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  2. George Rebane Avatar

    RLCrabb 222pm – never heard of that vignette, but no matter. On many other meetings the reports are that they really get along since they speak the same language (literally) of seller and buyer. They do business with each other and are able to keep geo-strategic matters separate from dog hairs. To my knowledge there is no Plan B to Merkel in who can talk sense into Putin (assuming, of course, that it can be done).

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  3. fish Avatar
    fish

    Am I the only one rapidly not caring about the fortunes of the GOP? I mean we’ve become “Handout Nation”…. anybody think there is a way to unring the bell and give people a reason to go back to work, to strive for something more than gubmint cheese.
    I remember seeing twitter feeds during the last presidential election 80% seemingly expressing the “Ima Riot ifn ROBNEY gets lected amma don get my foo stam” sentiment?
    Screw it bring on the collapse!

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  4. Walt Avatar

    My good friend Fish.. It’s time the GOP starts thinking RIP.
    For some reason they think they can take credit for the last mid term
    “drawing and quartering” of Democrat politicians.( never mind some GOP folk
    got the same treatment.)
    Nope,, that was ALL Tea Party. That’s why the TP is loathed by BOTH.
    The TP is the nations only hope to retain what little of the Constitution is actually left.
    If we fail in the mid term for ANY reason, “O” and Co. , and the GOP will fork over what is left of us to China and Russia, since we will be unable to repay just the interest payments. We will be “repossessed”, starting with Ca.

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  5. Walt Avatar

    Some arrogance from the GOP clan. Nope,, they don’t like the TP one bit.
    Yet most voters who check the “R” box on their voter registration lean towards
    “Tea Party” values. ( at least the ones I know)
    We understand ” give and take” is the game in D.C. and politics in general.
    But for far too long the “Right” has been doing all the “giving”, and the Left, has done all the “taking”. ( Progressives idea of compromise)
    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) didn’t merely say Tea Party candidates challenging him and other established Republicans in the 2014 midterm elections don’t pose much of a threat.
    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky speaks to reporters on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, March 5, 2014. (Image source: AP/J. Scott Applewhite)
    McConnell’s prediction is arguably more along the lines of fighting words.
    “I think we are going to crush them everywhere,” McConnell told the New York Times. “I don’t think they are going to have a single nominee anywhere in the country.”

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  6. Paul Emery Avatar

    Let the gamers begin. This will really be fun to watch.
    “Meanwhile, big conservative groups are out for blood, ferociously pushing the party further right and fanning the populist flames that terrify business.”
    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/business-republican-party-tea-party-104467_Page2.html#ixzz2vWq3MEW0

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  7. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    When the Tea Party is taking relentlessness flack from the establishment on both sides of the aisle, then I say they hit a nerve. As Mr. Paul points out, even the Big Boys of Business are taking firing off their shots. I call it fear. Somebody is thinking outside the box and pushing the establishment out of their comfort zone. Messing with their cheese so to speak.
    Remember Sen. Cruz on the Senate Floor doing the filibuster thang 9 months ago? Why was he reading Green Eggs and Ham? The lone voice crying in the wilderness was to delay BarrackObamacare in its entirety. Well, rather than take the one step plunge, BarrackObamacare is being delayed piecemeal, one delay at a time in a flurry of announcements by no other than Barrack Obama of BarrackObamacare fame. Nobody is calling Barrack Obama a looney tune for doing exactly what Ted Cruz was trying to accomplish.
    Its not just the Republican Establishment that is going along to get along. The Unions pushed hard for BarrackObamacare, mainly to go along and get their exemptions and political clout later. Now, they too see the errors of their ways:
    http://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/union-research-document-says-obamacare-will-hasten-income-inequality#.Ux2pYs5sKOl
    Funny, isn’t Barrack Obama of BarrackObamacare fame railing against income inequality lately?

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  8. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    I remember seeing twitter feeds during the last presidential election 80% seemingly expressing the “Ima Riot ifn ROBNEY gets lected amma don get my foo stam” sentiment? — How do we know such tweets are from genuine people and aren’t the work of political operatives seeking to piss people off? I once had a student who worked at a PR firm and said they routinely wrote letters to the editor defending clients whose actions were criticized in the news. She estimated that 80% of letters in the Sac Bee were from shills and not concerned citizens at all. The truth becomes more difficult to ascertain as each day passes and the BS machines get better at what they do.

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  9. Gregory Avatar

    ‘Going along to get along’ isn’t the issue for the GOP or TP. It’s ‘what’s the best we can do with the Congress and President we have, and how can we leverage the next election so we can do more next year?’.
    Piss the electorate off and you will get to do less next year.

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  10. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    TALK ABOUT AN ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATE…
    AP: “With no one else on the ballot, state media reported Monday that supreme leader Kim Jong Un was not only elected to the highest legislative body in North Korea, he won with the unanimous approval of his district, which had 100 percent turnout…” And like a lot of incumbents this year, he went negative early on his rival.

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  11. fish Avatar
    fish

    I remember seeing twitter feeds during the last presidential election 80% seemingly expressing the “Ima Riot ifn ROBNEY gets lected amma don get my foo stam” sentiment? — How do we know such tweets are from genuine people and aren’t the work of political operatives seeking to piss people off? I once had a student who worked at a PR firm and said they routinely wrote letters to the editor defending clients whose actions were criticized in the news. She estimated that 80% of letters in the Sac Bee were from shills and not concerned citizens at all. The truth becomes more difficult to ascertain as each day passes and the BS machines get better at what they do.
    Fair point Joe….the twitterverse seems to be pretty good at sniffing these out though. I saw no detective work implying these were spoofs, shilled posts or planted messages.

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  12. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    where my obamaphone?

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  13. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 1006am – Your comment perfectly illustrates what CPAC speakers from the podium accused the Republicans of practicing. However, GATGA as an MO is vehemently denied by the Republican establishment, and hence giving rise to the two schools of thought that I described in ‘Republican Rumblings’. Or more simply put, each side believes they can best “leverage the next election” by either playing a tactical GATGA or unabashedly sticking to their principles.

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  14. Gregory Avatar

    George, being rational about the amount of power you wield and its effect on the fights you choose to fight is not abandoning one’s principles. It’s called being “realistic”.

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  15. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Fair point Joe. Let’s hear moire from the horses’ mouths:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I79wUEqBdQc
    Dr. Rebane:
    HOT AIR: SENATE DEMS HOLD GLOBAL WARMING TALK-A-THON
    It may seem helpful to his goal of retaining the Senate, but Majority Leader Harry Reid is allowing the most liberal members of his party to make noise about climate change all night long. The issue is murder on the red-state Democrats who’s survival is key to keeping Reid in power. But for the liberal activists and corporate donors who keep the party chugging, it’s a must-do. In contrast to the epic Republican floor speeches of late, like the drone filibuster from Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., and the day-long floor speech on ObamaCare from Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, tonight’s antics are leadership-sanctioned. Sen. Brian Schatz D-Hawaii, who is facing a thorny primary challenge back home, is leading the effort. Participants will include Sens. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I., Dick Durbin, D-Ill., Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., and Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn.
    Byronic explainer – Washington Examiner’s Byron York: “Democrats know where their money is coming from.[Tom Steyer] founded a political action committee called NextGen Climate Action and has announced plans to spend $100 million in the 2014 midterm elections ‘to pressure federal and state officials to enact climate change measures through a hard-edge campaign of attack ads against governors and lawmakers,’ according to a New York Times report. An all-night talkathon is not exactly bold action. But perhaps it’s enough for Democrats to show their big-money donors that they’re doing something.”

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  16. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    the twitterverse seems to be pretty good at sniffing these out though. I saw no detective work implying these were spoofs, shilled posts or planted messages. — Perhaps they were legitimate, but I have a hard time rationalizing just why a welfare queen would take the time and make the effort to intentionally piss people off. It seems to me that such statements would do them more harm than good. Such inflammatory rhetoric would probably even piss off middle-of-the-roaders whom the queens need for continued support at the polls. I am sure there were tweets to that effect out there posted by real live people, some serious some as a JoKe. But as a whole, I would be suspicious if such rhetoric went viral.

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  17. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 1102am – Spot on! That’s the argument, “being realistic”, which then clearly indicates that the other (TP?) side is not, is what separates the Repubs and the conservatives. Much looking forward to hearing how principles were not abandoned by, say, those realistic Repubs backing the recent farm bill.

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  18. fish Avatar
    fish

    the twitterverse seems to be pretty good at sniffing these out though. I saw no detective work implying these were spoofs, shilled posts or planted messages. — Perhaps they were legitimate, but I have a hard time rationalizing just why a welfare queen would take the time and make the effort to intentionally piss people off. It seems to me that such statements would do them more harm than good. Such inflammatory rhetoric would probably even piss off middle-of-the-roaders whom the queens need for continued support at the polls. I am sure there were tweets to that effect out there posted by real live people, some serious some as a JoKe. But as a whole, I would be suspicious if such rhetoric went viral.
    One of the more recent developments surrounding the explosion of video capabilities is that people seem to value exposure over common sense. Every week or so there is another story about a crime solved because some nitwit felt not only compelled to record it but then thought it would be just brilliant to post it online for the world to see. That people posted sentiments like the one I provided upthread for all to ponder wouldn’t surprise me one bit!

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  19. Gregory Avatar

    Yes, George, I’m sure the Goldwater wing of the GOP was happier having stuck to their principles while LBJ pushed the Great Society through the Congress.
    Einstein had “as simple as possible, but no simpler” as a rule. If the GOP wants to govern, they’ll need the similar “as conservative as possible, but no more conservative than is possible”. Get 60% of what you want rather than 0%.

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  20. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Mr.Fish and Mr. Joe Koyote: Why in the heck would any sane person appear on Jerry Springer or the myriad of other bare all your dirty little secrets to the world shows??? It has to be seeking the roving eye of fame, be it notoriety, infamy, or money. I always said if some reporter from 60 Minutes ever knocked on my door, I would slam it shut. Hey, does that mean I am more sane that the so called “welfare queens”, a phrase that is almost antiquated in 2014.
    Mr. Koyote, you need not “have a hard time rationalizing just why a welfare queen would take the time and make the effort to intentionally piss people off”. No, my good man, it is totally rational to those labeled welfare queens. Do you really think that for one second they actually wonder about taxpayers? Do you think for one second pissing middle of the roaders actually enters into the thought process? Never!! Someone is responsible for taking care of them and that someone is the goobermint, not taxpayers. Period. And they sure let you know via the information highway when goobermint is doing a piss poor job of being accountable to/for them.
    Its not irrational to them, Mr. Koyote. If you were raised being the 3rd generation of iron clad guarantees that goobermint will give you money, food, and everything under the sun, wouldn’t you be upset if the gravy train was running slow? It is most rational to a certain segment of our society. Sure, most vote Democrat, but that is not the point. This attitude is now an ingrained belief system. “Somebody has to be held accountable for this” as she points to her 12 children in a motel room.
    They, just as the long term incarcerated (25-life), have become institutionalized and can not make it on the outside. Thus my references to modern day plantations of the Great Society should be taken as non offensive, but merely an observation of the dependency class that, like some former slaves, chose to stay on the plantation. The known is safer than the unknown. Thinking outside the box is irrational to some, thus trying to get your head around why they would show their mugs on camera and being the least bit concerned about pissing off the taxpayers is absolutely not in their thought process and an insane endeavor, IMHO.

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  21. Walt Avatar

    Hat’s off to our “honorable” RL Crabb. Just saw the news.
    A well deserved recognition. And looking in great shape.
    Now just how in hell are all of us going to fit in the Skeptic tank
    for the party tonight?

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  22. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 1222pm – while I may believe that LBJ won for different reasons than Goldwater sticking to principles, I agree with “as conservative as possible, but no more conservative than is possible”. The rub is the assessment of ‘as possible’. And, of course, there comes a point when …

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  23. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Pragmatism was a good friend to Bill Clinton. His Sista Soldier moment came when he was down in the polls revealed he could pivot without turning his back on all his ideas. Amoral comes to mind concerning his principles. Like Bubba or despise him, he got 100% of the office without ever getting 50% of the vote. I call him a “pro death penalty” Democrat.
    To quote the Honorable Vince Lombardi, “Winning isn’t everything. Its the only thing.”

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  24. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Oh yes, Greg – the GOP is certainly being ‘realistic’. 60%??? When was the last time the left got any less than 100%? There is no reason you can’t be realistic and stand by your principles. I was always taught that if you were to strike out, at least go down swinging. The establishment GOP is just standing there, bat on shoulder, watching the balls whiz by. Have the GOP run some one like Allen West for president and I can guarantee they will get more electoral votes than some one like John McCain. The average American voter now believes the govt is there to give them money. As long as this is true, no true conservative can win a national election. But we can and have, won regional races. Please tell me what LaMalfa ‘won’ by being ‘realistic’ and voting for the so-called farm bill? Conservatives (me, for example) are not happy as we know what the bill was really about. The left is slagging him for being a hypocrite, and if he had voted against it, would slag him for not caring bout hungry children. Is that ‘realistic’ vote going to help him in the next election? You know it won’t. Being realistic is admitting that America has become fat, dumb and lazy. Doing something about it doesn’t start in DC – it starts in the local schools. Or more to the point – getting kids out of the govt run schools and into better programs of various kinds.

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  25. Bonnie McGuire Avatar

    During Reagan’s presidency the GATGA game obviously didn’t work. I remember the Dems making the promise that if the Reps would do this they would do that to return the favor. But the Dems broke their promise and the result…the Reps got blamed for the results. That’s why not long ago when California Dems were making a similar deal one Rep said he wouldn’t go along unless they did the right thing first because they couldn’t be trusted.
    I like Rand Paul, and others with good principles. They are the heroes of humanity.

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  26. Walt Avatar

    Speaking of getting screwed,
    “According to the California Protected Lands Database, the state has 49,232,694 acres of protected land. This is 46.7 percent of the state (not including easements), which is the most populous in the Union.
    Yet “O” is out for more.
    http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/10/obama-to-ban-development-on-california-federal-lands/
    So pretty much of half the state is now “untouchable”. Yet the ECO gang demands more right here in our own backyards.

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  27. Walt Avatar

    Thank You for the prayers friends… The ugly wait is over.
    See you all in a few days..

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  28. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    Goldwater was a raging Lib compared to todays so called Conservatives. He supported gays in the military and a woman’s right to choose for example. He wouldn’t get far with the wingers of today.

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  29. fish Avatar
    fish

    Thank You for the prayers friends… The ugly wait is over.
    See you all in a few days..

    Again…my deepest sympathies on your mothers passing Walt.

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  30. fish Avatar
    fish

    Goldwater was a raging Lib compared to todays so called Conservatives. He supported gays in the military and a woman’s right to choose for example. He wouldn’t get far with the wingers of today.
    Indeed…a “Lib”….as in libertarian…. TEAM EVIL would loathe him as well!

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  31. Gregory Avatar

    The TPer’s here are conflating votes for President with votes in the Senate and House. While I agree the GOP do themselves no favors by electing RINOs, and they probably are done no favors by electing Republicans who even Democrats will like, sort of, if you are a Democratic President like an LBJ owning both houses of congress, you’re going to win.
    The likes of Speaker Boehner can’t win against a Democratic Senate and Democratic President. Period. He doesn’t have the votes. Demanding he take a principled TP Conservative position Dems will never go for, the political equivalent of standing in the corner and holding his breath until he turns blue, will not get you what you desire.
    It will however please Pelosi, Reid and Obama, who would be overjoyed to see the GOP shooting themselves in the foot, Cruz style.
    The likes of McConnell and Boehner are playing the hand the people of the 50 states dealt them and us in the last few elections. I suggest you let the card counters sit in for you at the casino, they are doing the best anyone could at the moment.

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  32. Paul Emery Avatar

    Fish
    If Goldwater were to run for President today how far do you think he would get if he was to say in a presidential debate “You don’t have to be straight to shoot straight” in support of gays in the military?

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  33. fish Avatar
    fish

    Not sure I understand your question Paul.

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  34. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    From Greg – “The likes of Speaker Boehner can’t win against a Democratic Senate and Democratic President. Period. He doesn’t have the votes. Demanding he take a principled TP Conservative position Dems will never go for, the political equivalent of standing in the corner and holding his breath until he turns blue, will not get you what you desire.”
    Agreed Greg – did you read my post? So what is Boehner doing? What use is he?
    As I said – just standing there watching the balls go past. Where is the 60% the conservatives are supposed to get? The Rs had power not too long ago and did the conservatives get 60%? Govt grew, the debt grew and regulation increased. I would say Bush put a couple of decent Supremes on the court and that’s about it. Mitchell and Boehner need to organize a principled stand to the rampant downward slide of this nation. They are the so-called leaders of the Rs. They can do that. Come up with a package of legislative agendas that can be put out on the web in black and white. Have a clear set of points to pound the Dems with. There is a mountain of stuff to work with. Start a campaign of education with the American voters with simple illustrations of the many lies they’ve been fed and how they’ve been hurt by these lies. The Reagan Dems are ripe for picking – even the unions have had enough of this president. Instead, they are wasting time and money slagging the TP. Just playing nice and hoping for control of the Senate won’t do it. The president will still veto anything they pass. And if they manage to win the Senate and run another mealy mouthed Dem-lite presidential candidate and some how win control of the fed govt again? We’ll just have another form of slo-mo left wing slide towards a collapse that the Dems and the major news media markets will be thrilled to blame them with.

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  35. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Paul, me thinks you are in the time warp again. A Republican candidate in 2014 can win the nomination by supporting gays in the military. Afterall, soldiers fight for our country, some to the death and it is a point most understand.
    A single issue such as soldiers does not immediately disqualify a candidate. There many many soccer moms that are opposed to sending women onto a battlefield, including some Democrat Senators. Now, we are still a pro life party. If a single cell on some distant planet beyond our solar system can get the scientific community standing on their chairs cheering wildly for the discovery of life, why can’t a single cell in a human body be called life?
    Never shall the twain meet. Right to Life is a stumbling block for the nomination. Gays in the military? No. Almost a non issue. Not quite a non issue, but getting there.

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  36. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 907pm – That’s quite a leap of faith on Goldwater. I support gays in the military and a woman’s right to choose, I just don’t want to pay for her choice. To my knowledge, no one has accused me of being a liberal.

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  37. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Dr. Rebane, you are “a raging LIB”. Better than being a flaming LIB. Would love to see ya dressed up in your magenta Tu-Tu while at the podium. 🙂
    Remember, in 2008 Senator Obama repeated over and over he was opposed to the act of abortion on moral grounds and wished for better alternatives.. Did not hurt him one bit during his nomination run.

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  38. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    I think PasulE has a different view of what people believe than many of us on the right actually belive. I too support a woman’s decision but I also do not think taxpayers should pay for that. I just can’t seem to find that in the Constitution. Same as Davy Crockett opined when he was a Congressman.
    Social issues should be dealt with by people and private institutions. Get the government out of the workshop, bedroom and the business office. Out of the womb, a prostrate and sports. Shrink their involvement back to the literal meanings and definitions of the document. Get them out of the state’s off my my property and schools. On and on!

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  39. Paul Emery Avatar

    So can we agree that we agree that woman has the right to choose and agree that we disagree as to whether it should be funded by the government?

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  40. Paul Emery Avatar

    Someone please correct me but isn’t banning abortion part of the Republican platform as least in the last election cycle?

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  41. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Bill – Obama’s ‘stand’ against abortion (and his blather about traditional marriage) didn’t hurt him because he was lying through his teeth and the Dems were making sure the proper signals were sent to any slow witted voters that weren’t getting the clues. Obama had a 100% rating from NARAL during his stint in the state legislature.
    Paul – right to choose what?
    Gregory – still waiting to hear about the 60% we conservatives will get by grabbing our ankles.

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  42. Paul Emery Avatar

    Scott let me use Georges words ” I support gays in the military and a woman’s right to choose…” Of course it means abortion.

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  43. Paul Emery Avatar

    Todd, George
    Congratulations on your independent thinking on this matter
    Your support of a woman’s “decision” or “right to choose” is off the reservation when it comes to the Republican platform.
    “Faithful to the ‘self-evident’ truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed,” said the draft platform language approved Tuesday, which was first reported by CNN. “We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children.”
    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/g-o-p-approves-strict-anti-abortion-language-in-party-platform/

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  44. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Why thank you, Paul. I noticed you had to hide behind George. I really don’t give a fig who calls it “a woman’s right to choose”. It’s crap language fabricated by those too cowardly to openly advocate for some as vile as exterminating innocent human life as a means of birth control. It’s weasel language meant to deflect the actual meaning and to imply that those against abortion on demand are some how really trying to stop women from choosing anything. Abortion is an unfortunate necessity on occasion. I wouldn’t ever try to ban it. As it is used now, it is mass murder on an enormous scale. If 15 year old girls can ‘choose’ it follows that 15 year old boys can ‘choose’. If human life at 1 month can be considered garbage to be thrown away, I find no logical reason to consider human life at any other stage of life to be considered any differently.
    We can not save everyone. But we should try. Abortion on demand can not be defended by reason or logic. It is legal as slavery once was, but it can find no more good reason to exist in that unhappy state than slavery had found.

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  45. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Sorry – 4th sentence – ‘something’ not ‘some’.

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  46. Gregory Avatar

    Scott, if you don’t think you’re getting something like 60% now, maybe you’d like to go back to Pelosi with enough votes to pass something like Obamacare without a single GOP vote.
    The GOP House is making progress on a number of fronts, from IRS abuses to Benghazi. If it was still a Dem institution, there’d be a lot less fodder for the coming campaign season.
    If the Senate doesn’t change hands before the SCOTUS has its next vacancy, there’s a good chance the high court will turn, and will be cranking out majority opinions written by Sotomayor. Enjoy.

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  47. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Gregory – The debt is still increasing, the govt continues to grow and is becoming ever more abusive and the regulations are ever expanding. You are only talking about a rate of change not a reversal of the major problems.
    Read about all of the DHS raids. They are becoming a national police force.
    The natl debt is accelerating. The IRS and Bengazi and F and F ‘investigations’ are a joke and will go nowhere. A few low ranking heads will roll – maybe.
    Fed regs pour out like water spewing out of a fire hydrant. It is bad and it will get worse. If you could point to a reversal in just one of those areas, I would listen. The left is in control because the average citizen either wants it that way or just doesn’t care. Until that changes, we sink.

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  48. Gregory Avatar

    Scott, the way for the GOP to get more control is to actually get majorities in both houses of Congress in 2014, then a viable candidate for Prez in 2016. Getting the likes of Cruz to throw True Conservative ™ stinkbombs to make Boehner’s life miserable won’t get you there.
    Neither will nominating unvetted neophytes like a Sharron Angle, or the occasional witch no matter how cute or conservative they might be. To govern takes a majority, not a purity of heart of the minority who actually managed to win their elections.
    It really would be worse for you without the current GOP house majority. Trust me.

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