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It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.  Mark Twain

George Rebane

As long heralded in these pages, President Obama’s ignorance of foreign policy (we’ll give him the benefit of our doubts) is coming into full bloom in Ukraine.  He has made it clear to all but the country’s progressive numbskulls that the US is no longer a reliable partner to anyone in maintaining world order.

The lamestream’s pundits and ‘journalists’ are still talking about Russia’s “plans to invade” and partition Ukraine, and Obama’s feckless threats that warrant tears and laughter from across the world.  But Putin has already invaded the Ukraine and partitioned the country, taking Crimea back under Russia’s sovereign umbrella.  And more Russian troops are poised on Ukraine’s eastern border to either complete the territorial partition or make it an effective Anschluss by installing ethnic Russians into all positions of power and prepared to execute whatever Moscow wants.

Our response at this point has been worse than silence.  We have threatened to pull out of a planning meeting for the G-8 conference scheduled later this year in Sochi (no need to read this again, it’s true).  Putin and his foreign minister Lavrov are rolling in laughter on the floor of the Kremlin.  Meanwhile SecState Kerry is being dispatched to Kiev to offer the new Ukrainian government nothing that will save their sovereignty according to the 1994 agreement with Russia and the US.  This visit will heighten the peals of laughter in Moscow and the tears in Brussels where the EU is having trouble getting its act together in a civilized but now leaderless world.

ObamaDefensePolicyPutin’s plan to re-establish Soviet style hegemony over its ‘near abroad’ is going full throttle forward.  Every one of its bordering countries has sizeable Russian minorities as their cancerous relics from the collapse of the USSR.  And Putin will use the age-old excuse of sending in a dominant military to ‘protect the lives and property’ of his ethnic rump populations whenever the situation is sufficiently soft to guarantee exercising that as a no/low cost option.

The Baltics are quivering in their snowboots right now.  All of them have sizeable Russian minorities (e.g. Estonia’s 1.3M people include 300,000 Russians) who will march to any order from Moscow, and thereby create situations of any flavor or magnitude to warrant Russia’s military intervention.  That all these countries are members of NATO is worth about the same warm bucket of spit that they enjoyed in 1939 with the mutual defense agreement the Baltics then had with Great Britain.

In the meantime, under Obama’s leadership we are beating our swords into food stamps.  Please take time to review your ‘Duck and Cover’ drills.

[4mar14 update]  George Friedman’s The Next 100 Years was prophetic.  Stratfor is now reprising summaries from that 2009 book (here).  I wrote a major post on it at the time (here) that covered not only Russia’s aims, but also Mexico’s.  Viewed in that light, the strategically silly reset button with which Hillary embarrassed herself in front of Lavrov and the world takes on new meaning as it made a global declaration that the United States had installed a foreign policy naïf in the White House.  The years that followed have more than confirmed that early assessment, and every day brings in fresh news on how a trained KGB thug from a second world country runs circles around our Chief Community Organizer and the intellectual dwarves that surround him.

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80 responses to “Obama’s New World Disorder (updated 4mar14)”

  1. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    As food stamp participants rise, military expenditures are slashed. My Air Force buddy told me last week that they are slashing 15,000 Air Force personnel in this region and they are broke. He is a lead mechanic for the planes. “Broke!” he added for extra emphases. Guess that is what Queen Nancy meant by Pay Go.
    We (this current administration) is no longer leading from behind. We are not even in the running and like tomatoes, trying to Ketchup. Putin is running circles around our State Department, circles from Syria to Iran to The Ukraine, aka, little brother. Sure there are areas in The Ukraine where Russian is spoke exclusively and you won’t hear a word of Ukrainian spoken in public or private. Heck, we can’t even defend Poland without Putin’s approval. That will never happen. He sure outfoxed the UN concerning Syria’s gastardly weapons.
    Guess Nobel Peace Prize winners are not known for their forceful diplomat skills on the international stage. Well, Arafat was quite the politician fooling fellow Nobel Peace Prize Winner Jimmy Carter and Company. After Syria, perhaps Putin should receive the Nobel Peace Prize. Nah, I don’t want to jinx him.
    Meanwhile, North Korea fired off two missiles. Guess they too are saying, “Hey Obama, grip this.”
    Here is a World War 2 story concerning the Russians, a people I know a wee bit about:
    It was the closing days of the war in Berlin. The Allied Forces and the Russians from the East arrived at the same spot. There were some German soldiers holding up in a house. A Russian asked the American and British soldiers what was the hang up as they were not on the attack. The Allied soldiers (one carrying a flame thrower) replied that there were women and children in the building along with German soldiers.
    The Russian soldier grabbed the flame thrower from the soldier’s arms, pushed him aside and burned everybody inside. Don’t think there is anything in Obama’s background to prepare him for dealing with the Russians.
    Just look at Georgia. Some Georgian ragheads bombed a theater in Moscow full of civilians. Putin sent tanks to a hill over their village and opened fire relentlessly on the town. Diplomacy? They don’t need no stinkin’ diplomacy. Guess we could have boycotted the Winter Olympics, but that would have been premature and might have offended our comrades to the East. “Timing is everything” the saying goes, but since the US currently has a limp dick as well as being impotent, timing don’t matter.

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  2. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Finally, when things are looking down, I get a dose of good ole Republican optimism. I needed that this cloudy morning:
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/02/28/ukraine-syria-iran-america-isnt-leading-from-behind-it-being-left-behind/?intcmp=trending

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  3. Russ Steele Avatar

    During the 2012 campaign Mitt Romney was mocked by President Obama and his cheerleaders for highlighting the Russian threat to American interests. Romney said that that Obama wasn’t ready or willing to stand up to Russia’s leader. Now we know that he was right.
    In 2008, then vice presidential candidate, Sarah Palin warned of Russian troops invading the Ukraine.
    In October 2008, after Russia’s invasion of neighboring Georgia emerged as a foreign policy flashpoint in the homestretch of a heated campaign, Palin told an audience in Nevada, “After the Russian army invaded the nation of Georgia, Senator Obama’s reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence, the kind of response that would only encourage Russia’s Putin to invade Ukraine next.”
    Her prediction was derided by Foreign Policy magazine as “strange” and “extremely far-fetched,” . . .
    Well not as far-fetched as it appears.
    H/T to the Legal Insurrection

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  4. Russ Steele Avatar

    During this crisis, I encourage readers to check out posts by the Diplomad. His insight into State Department operations, strengths and weaknesses make for some interesting reading, especially with the current crisis in the news.
    Without a doubt President Obama and John “Xmas in Cambodia” Kerry have fallen into yet another trap put out by the wily Putin-Lavrov hunting pair. Kerry’s announced trip to Kiev, for example, is a classic scramble by a misadministration with no idea of what to do. I am willing to bet that Kerry’s visit, far from being a demonstration of support for Ukrainian sovereignty, will be a Chamberlain-to-the-Czechs message of “don’t increase tensions by resisting aggression.” I am almost certain Kerry will advise Ukraine to roll over, and accept the loss of Crimea in exchange, maybe, for some vague promise from the West to help preserve the remainder of Czechoslovakia Ukraine. Kerry’s visit certainly will do nothing to dissuade Moscow as Putin and Lavrov have taken measure of their “adversaries” and found them wanting.
    Our “leaders” are simply not to be taken seriously on critical foreign policy issues. They have no overall strategic aim for our foreign policy; no clear idea where they want us to be in three, four, five years; simply put they don’t really care about foreign policy. They react to crises with bland words, and by wishing them away into the cornfield with the help of the compliant media. Whatever happened to the urgency of the Syrian crisis?

    More on Climbing out of the Obama Foreign Policy Hole is HERE.

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  5. Russ Steele Avatar

    This Is The Gas Pipeline Map That Shows Why The Crisis In Ukraine Affects All Of Europe — HERE
    All of Europe will be wishing they did not listen to the environmental wackos that were blocking “fracking.” EU nations could be in a much more powerful political position if they are not dependent on Russian gas for heat and energy.

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  6. Brad Croul Avatar
    Brad Croul

    If you search wiki for Black Sea Fleet you will find that, with respect to Crimea and Russian military bases there, Ukraine and Russia have had issues for years.
    It is not an Obama problem.
    It is a Russia/Ukraine problem.
    Do you not think that the US would move troops to protect military bases we have in foreign countries in the event that the host country government was toppled and we were not sure of the emerging (possibly unstable) government’s intentions?

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  7. fish Avatar
    fish

    It is not an Obama problem.
    Don’t disagree at all Brad. I’m a little concerned that Mr. Wonderful will issue another “Red Line” ultimatum that he can’t enforce. Bad enough to be impotent….worse still to drop your drawers and let the world know.

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  8. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    No worries, Obama has disintegrated American power and foreign policy. Putin will do whatever he wants. Let Europe deal with him anyway now.

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  9. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Ah, I read way too much military history….just finished Armor and Blood on the battle of Kursk pocket and last year a history of the Crimean War…ironic….
    OK so I went to Diplomad and read the March,3 2014 posting, and what I find is the statement that essentially it does not matter what the United States does in the Ukraine per se, the answer lies in adopting the philosophy of a strong military and free market capitalism at home, which in the end will save the day. Not real helpful in a Realpolitik sense.
    I am sure we would have been better off had we adopted the Bush foreign policy of looking into Putin’s eyes and trusting him, until he invaded Georgia, and then acknowledging the misjudgment?
    For either Goerge W. Bush or Barack Obama to not have seen Putin for the thug, aggressor and anti-democratic force that he is, or to have believed that the former Soviet Union would give up either its imperial ambition or long held desire for buffer states (little brothers) from western Europe, is and was folly.
    For Russia losing Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania to NATO was one thing, they have little strategic importance, but losing Ukraine and Belarus would be quite another; they strike at the heart of Russian insecurity and fears born of 2 collapsed governments and twin invasions from the west in the 20th century. The only thing they may fear more today is a crumbling of their southern provinces and pressure from Islamic fundamentalism.
    To think that Russia would give up access to Sevastopol, the main home to their Black Sea fleet which they lease from Ukraine under new agreements until 2047, located within the autonomous state of Crimea (the only one of Ukraine’s states to be autonomous), or give up its more than 200 years of imperial ambition to be able to project power to the Mediterranean was equally near sighted. Amongst other things the Black Sea fleet is a valuable asset for the Russians resisting separatist movements in the increasingly Islamic leaning Caucasus region, which they perceive as a threat to the entire southern flank of the Russian state.
    Right now there really is not a lot we can do about the Ukraine but that does not mean that we should not try, and stand with the Ukrainian nationalists and the new government that chooses to align with the west.
    But the ultimate folly would be escalating the situation more than Putin is already escalating it and precipitating a Russian invasion of the eastern Ukraine. If that happens the Ukrainians will again be a subjugated people.
    Situations like this one need time to play out, time for cooler heads to look at all of the options, time for a serious consideration of the diplomatic, economic and military pressures that can be put on the foe, and a consistent steady leadership increasing the pressure. Situations like this also require allies, because that is a force multiplier on the diplomatic and economic front, and ultimately because the US does not possess the ability to realistically project military force into the region without support.
    What really concerns me is how quickly the Lindsey Graham’s and John McCain’s of the world would have us rush to projecting military force without clearly understanding our options or limitations.
    This has been a fast moving crises to date, but our first goal should be to slow the entire process down.
    The cold war mentality exhibited by George above, coupled with his animosity toward the Russians born of personal experience (or the McCain’s and Graham’s) is exactly the type of thinking that is the danger here, because it guarantees that we act out an emotional response.
    There are a wide variety of diplomatic and economic measures and pressure points that we could apply, including not just approbation from the United States, but lining up our allies in western Europe to do the same, including: pulling out of the Sochi G-8 meetings; kicking Russia out of the G-8: economic sanctions; gradually cutting off western purchases of Russian fossil fuels which they sorely need for hard cash; ramping up pressure on Russian oligarchs and companies that bank in the west and freezing funds like we did against Al Queda.
    All of these measures require ALLIES…..which if we move too precipitously will be in short supply.
    On the military side, the US has a fleet exercise in the Black Sea next week; we could increase staffing at NATO bases in the Baltic republics, particularly air assets; we could increase rapid deployment forces based in Turkey and Germany; and we could gradually supply the new government in the Ukraine with technology, arms and training to increase the cost of a Russian invasion.
    But the reality is as it stands now a rapidly modernizing Russian military would make mincemeat of Ukraine’s 130,000 largely infantry forces. Russia could take Ukraine in days and there would be nothing we could do to project force.
    As much as sanctioning Russia, the EU and the US must make clear that they will back the new Ukrainian government with money, political support, and military hardware if necessary, but that they will also respect Russian national security interests.
    By the way, if Ukraine had been a member of NATO today we would have been obligated by treaty to protect Ukraine with military force.
    Sarajevo anyone?
    Not smart to repeat the mistakes of our fathers.

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  10. Walt Avatar

    It seems every time “O” issues an ultimatum, from N.Korea to Syria, those “leaders” give “O” the finger and laugh in his face.
    And at the same time, “O” and Co. want to slash our military to pre WWII levels.
    Now that makes PERFICT Progressive sense.
    This is what happens when you make threats in the past, you don’t back up.
    Let’s have another “red line” drawn in sand in a stiff breeze.

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  11. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    I am glad we did not do a foray into Syria. And yes, not much can be done about Russia’s treatment of its neighbors. What, are we going to have NATO lead the charge again. And what is up with the North Korean submarine cruising our coast line?
    Back to Syria. What a friggin mess. You have Al Qaeda fighting along side with the rebels we support and every rag head in the region is jumping into the fray. Even Iran has sent its Revolutionary Guard into Syria and weapons are coming down through Lebanon from Hamas. I say let them slaughter each other and then let Allah sort them out.
    Syria is a puppet of Iran and Iran’s largest trading partner is Russia. The only good thing about our foreign policy under Obama is that crazy Qaddafi got corn holed to death by angry members of the insurgency. A fitting end to our friend who was making nice with us until the end.

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  12. fish Avatar
    fish

    Wow Steve….agreement….?
    Someone note the date and time for posterity.
    My only quibble is that cutting off the sales of Russian oil is problematic at best….someone will always be interested in buying.

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  13. George Rebane Avatar

    Have no idea what “cold war mentality” of mine SteveF was referring to in his commendable 941am. (Must have been another one of those ‘but I know what he was REALLY thinking’ insights.) It is a tautology that we have no military options to thwart Russia’s invasion of the Ukraine, only economic and financial ones remain which are nevertheless significant. I was glad to see the 3mar14 WSJ echo and expand the abbreviated thesis of this post.
    But it is a bit humorous that liberals continue to blame Bush2 for Obama’s imitation of the Petain-Chamberlain foreign policy tragedy leading up to WW2.

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  14. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Fish—agreed there will likely be a market, but getting both crude (which is at $112 per barrel today in western Europe) and natural gas to other users is going to be difficult and expensive.
    This from Reuters (parenthetical comments mine) :
    RUSSIAN GAS
    The stand-off in Crimea raised concerns over disruptions of
    Russian natural gas supplies to Europe, which would see a rise
    in demand for alternative fuels such as heating oil. The
    European Union gets roughly a quarter of its gas supply from
    Russia, about half of which is piped through Ukraine.
    (At 25% of supply and going into spring and summer Europe could hurt Russia quite a bit)
    A relatively mild winter in Europe has reduced demand for
    heating fuel, with storage about 20 percent above last year’s
    level at the main European gas hubs.
    Russia exports around 5.5 million barrels of crude oil per
    day. Piped gas exports beyond the former Soviet Union totaled
    15.8 billion cubic meters in January, official data showed. (75% of that crude goes to western Europe and could be taken up by middle eastern sources, forcing the Russians to sell more than their current 15% of their crude to China and Japan–unless we could get the Japanese to participate– which they don’t have the infrastructure or shipping fleet set up to do. Once again, could hurt them quite a bit for the year or two it would take to ramp asian supply)
    The tensions in Ukraine come at a nervous time for markets
    as factory activity in China fell to a seven-month low, the
    Markit/HSBC manufacturing Purchasing Managers’ Index (PMI)
    survey showed Monday.
    (Assuming that is that China has the market for more expensive Russian crude, I don;t think the Chinese would be jumping to help the Russians)
    We have tools, that if we keep our cool and gradually ramp up could put one hell of a bite on Russia.

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  15. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    I guess what I was referring to George is what I read as implied in your comments, that projection of military force is the only or the best way to exhibit power.
    The following paragraph implies to me that you fail to see the value in these actions, instead of seeing them as an opening part of a ramping up and a containment strategy.
    “Our response at this point has been worse than silence. We have threatened to pull out of a planning meeting for the G-8 conference scheduled later this year in Sochi (no need to read this again, it’s true). Putin and his foreign minister Lavrov are rolling in laughter on the floor of the Kremlin. Meanwhile SecState Kerry is being dispatched to Kiev to offer the new Ukrainian government nothing that will save their sovereignty according to the 1994 agreement with Russia and the US. This visit will heighten the peals of laughter in Moscow and the tears in Brussels where the EU is having trouble getting its act together in a civilized but now leaderless world.”
    That coupled with the final comment that we are busy beating our swords into food stamps makes me think you would prefer a stronger military response.
    Please dispel my assumptions that is what the conversation should be about.
    I DO AGREE WITH YOU that we cannot allow this intervention by Russia in the Ukraine to stand (although I suspect that at then end of the day Russia now owns the Crimea because they will not act against their interests in the Caucasus and Black Sea).
    The issue is how do we do it without a repeat of the sad and destructive history of total war in eastern Europe.

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  16. fish Avatar
    fish

    I don;t think the Chinese would be jumping to help the Russians
    Not jumping……but
    http://news.sky.com/story/1219922/russia-and-china-in-agreement-over-ukraine

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  17. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    The solution is WW III, just swap food stamps for guns. Just take all those people who need food stamps, force them into the army in exchange for food and invade Russia, or Syria. or Iran, or Colorado. We have to stand up to those thugs by having old white men who are still mired in the cold war, send our youth off, once again, to die in far off places for no real reason other than 19th century ideas and ideology. It will solve multiple problems at once: by killing off hungry people it will lessen the demand for social services like food stamps or unemployment benefits, increase military spending, and boost the stock market. These are all pluses. Since America already spends more that most of the rest of the world combined on the military, we need to expand that spending. The demise of the Soviet block was because too much of their capital was spend on defense and not enough on the people. The people finally got fed up and demanded change. It is only smart for us to do the same thing as it will hasten the demise of America. We all know that the only thing that works is massive expenditures of munitions and flesh.

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  18. George Rebane Avatar

    SteveF 1038am – You did misunderstand my post, perhaps confusing my longstanding belief that diplomacy succeeds in keeping the peace only to the extent that the existential alternatives are more costly to at least one side, the ultimate being an expensive and uncertain war. Or more directly, diplomacy with nothing to back it up is understood by all to be a hollow echo chamber used to gain time to solidify one’s original plans and preparations. I’m reminded of Pope Pius’ attempts to thwart WW2 in its early months through papal diplomacy. Stalin’s response was ‘How many divisions does the pope have?’
    I strongly believe that world peace will continue to depend on America remaining the white hat hegemon with a demonstrated military capability that is unsurpassed, and a foreign policy that makes credible the use of that military to protect America’s national interests. When that is no longer the case, then a new age of global wars and wholesale miseries will follow on a scale unknown in human history. If we cannot afford both ‘guns and butter’, then butter must be sacrificed. For without guns we will not have butter.

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  19. fish Avatar
    fish

    The solution is WW III, just swap food stamps for guns. Just take all those people who need food stamps, force them into the army in exchange for food and invade Russia, or Syria. or Iran, or Colorado. We have to stand up to those thugs by having old white men who are still mired in the cold war, send our youth off, once again, to die in far off places for no real reason other than 19th century ideas and ideology. It will solve multiple problems at once: by killing off hungry people it will lessen the demand for social services like food stamps or unemployment benefits, increase military spending, and boost the stock market. These are all pluses. Since America already spends more that most of the rest of the world combined on the military, we need to expand that spending. The demise of the Soviet block was because too much of their capital was spend on defense and not enough on the people. The people finally got fed up and demanded change. It is only smart for us to do the same thing as it will hasten the demise of America. We all know that the only thing that works is massive expenditures of munitions and flesh.
    After yesterdays l’ Affaire Pelline your old school crazy is a refreshing palate cleanser…..God Bless you!

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  20. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    JoeK for President! LOL!

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  21. Walt Avatar

    Joe forgets one thing. When it comes down to it, those with guns can feed themselves. No need for food stamps.
    Joe would be out to hang and take from the “preppers”. ( they were too smart for their own good.) Yes, more taking from the “haves” to payoff the “have nots”.

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  22. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    When it comes down to it, those with guns can feed themselves. No need for food stamps. “– Are the well armed going to hunt for food or just take food from the unarmed or meagerly armed?

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  23. Walt Avatar

    Something to think about there Joe,, Contemplate that.
    How far down the Progressive crapper do we have to go to get to your “question”?
    We haven’t forgotten about that “private army” “O” mentioned. Roving squads of
    anti “hoarder” officials?
    Too bad your gun grabbing friends didn’t pull off shredding the 2ND. It would make things so much easier.
    We are witnessing that ” flexibility” Dear Leader was caught telling Putin.
    ” Do what you want Putin,, I’ll just say a few strong speech’s,, bad mouth you in public,, but rest assured your good to go with whatever you care to do. Need to take back a country our two? Have at it. I got the people over here buying anything I say.. Heck! I can do whatever I want.”

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  24. Russ Steele Avatar

    Fracking, Fracking More Fracking and XL Pipeline Now!!
    The real response to Russian actions is to drive down the price of oil and gas. At $80.00 a barrel for oil the Russians cannot compete, they would be on their economic knees, and not have money to sustain their military expansion. If the US would accelerate “Fracking” and rapidly approve the XL-Pipeline the price of oil would drop by 20%. It is currently at $110 a barrel in Europe.
    We could crank up the economic squeeze some more by helping the European counties with shale deposits to get their Fracking programs underway, dropping the demand for Russian natural gas in Europe. Removing some of their leverage.
    There are solutions that will not require a single shot be fired, but it does required some strategic leadership which we are currently lacking.

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  25. Gregory Avatar

    Russ 1:13PM
    The current administration now knows what it feels like to be a Christian Scientist… with appendicitis.
    The Keystone XL Pipeline? Oh, noooo…..

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  26. Walt Avatar

    “O” has shown himself to be nutless with his “warnings” to every situation that has arisen. We know how he deals with “red line” situations. ( Nuttin’)
    Every time he has said ” don’t you dare”,, They say ” Really?? Well watch THIS! ( then a gas attack within hours) “O” tucked his tail and ran. Then Putin rides in to save they day. At least with the poison gas. So.. Just what’s happening in LIBya? He helped start that war. What gives?
    Now all the other counties that hate our guts will declare open season on the U.S., because they know that there is a good chance “O” and Co. won’t do jack about it.
    N. Korea may be next up to bat again. We got off lucky the last time. ( if anyone was paying attention)

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  27. Walt Avatar

    GOD BLESS video tape.
    I just watched a clip on Glenn Beck’s show of Sara Palin in oct. 2008, basically foretelling this invasion by Putin. Ya’ gotta hate it when she turns out to be right.(again)

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  28. Walt Avatar

    Was it something I said?? (lol) The Left contingent run out of excuses for Dear Leader?
    Meanwhile, back in D.C. where “O” has his political nuts in the wringer, The Mrs. is soon off to China for,, “vacation”… ( on the taxpayer dime of course.)
    I think the real excursion is so she can shop for housing when they flee the U.S. when the treason charges come down.

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  29. Gary Smith Avatar

    George:
    This is not our backyard, it is Russia’s and Europe’s. Let them handle it. If we had a beef with Mexico and we flexed our muscles we would not be happy with Russia sticking it nose in there. We need to stop being the world’s 911 force.

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  30. Walt Avatar

    Like it or not Mr. Smith, the U.S. has been the keeper of peace ( for lack of a better word at the moment)in the world since we won WWII.
    Like it or not, the world looks to us. ( at least in the past)
    For a long time we did a pretty good job of that. Now that the U.S. has faltered
    with the “speak softly and carry a big stick” approach , the thugs and goons of the world have grown a “pair” and are coming out of the woodwork to take what they can get. The current (uh) administration has shown itself as weak and cowardly, and we are witnessing the exploitation of said weakness. It’s going to get a lot worse before it get’s better I fear.

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  31. George Rebane Avatar

    GaryS 1216pm – thanks for bringing up that school of thought. You clearly have a geo-strategic view of the world that partitions it into sandboxes which cannot spill over the boundaries that you (or others?) may have set up. It’s sorta like the attitude we had when Hitler and Stalin were swallowing up neighbors in the 1930s. I suppose your strategy could be to wait for WW3 to start, and then we’ll take a look/see and decide what we should do.
    Or perhaps you have in mind a more anticipative intervention we should consider that occurs after the Ukraine dust settles but before WW3 starts. Please share your thoughts.

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  32. Gary Smith Avatar

    I would like to see the country’s that have the most interest in the outcome be the biggest players. I think Europe should have the lead. If you read the Russian and American news we seem to be the biggest player, maybe I am wrong on this. If it keeps escalating and gets larger than maybe we should chime in. I don’t think our Sec. of State should be doing shuttle diplomacy at this point. Walt you are right and I don’t like it. I would like to see us carry a medium stick and not speak unless necessary. Yes I am in the minority. Thanks

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  33. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    I can see Mr. Smith’s point. No, we are not going send the might of the US Military into the former Soviet Union bloc. Russia does indeed have a strategic interest in their own backyard as Mr. Smith points out. However, there is one small bit of information that we should not dismiss. We got Ukraine to dismantle their nukes (deterrent against Russian aggression and gut their military solely based on a promise by a former Democrat President and The Brits, N. Ireland (Northern Ireland???), the French and some other swinging dicks. Their word was written into a thing called a Treaty. No wonder George Washington warned us about signing treaties for the long haul. I suppose a good lawyer could argue it all depends on what the definition of “is” is.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2570335/Former-British-Ambassador-Moscow-warns-Russia-invaded-Ukraine-difficult-avoid-going-war.html

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  34. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    How easy it is for old men to talk of sending mostly other people’s children off to war. Based on what, a dislike of some far off country’s politics and a fear that somehow someway it will have a direct effect on you personally, other than the price of gasoline that is?

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  35. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Ok, not a real Treaty passed by Congress, but we gave them our word. But, a lot of people have gave their word “until death do us part” and have broken it.
    Does this man look like he is joking??
    https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/1959581_10151963972510911_454880880_n.jpg

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  36. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    JoeK, is the 40 something JFK one of those old men? Vietnam was his baby I heard.

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  37. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Mr. Koyote. Don’t think we are sending our boyz and girls off to war in Eastern Europe. Not enough time. Russia has their fleet, subs, and military hardware right there. They can own the airspace in 20 hours if they choose. Our boys will get overrun and bombed 24/7. We don’t have any advantage.
    Russia needs a few days for their build up. They have the airports, airspace, and could flood the area with a few hundred thousand troops in days. It took us months and months of constant flying in troops and hardware just to free Kuwait. And we were safely out in the desert. No way of doing that now. There is not enough time. Airstrikes won’t cut it. It is a huge area we are talking about. We could let loose our troops stationed in Germany but that will leave Western Europe unprotected in a counter attack or diversionary tactic by the Kremlin.
    Just this morning Holland, the Danes, Finnish, Swedes, and French signed the surrender papers. The Swiss vowed to fight to the end up, as long as it is in the Alps. Norway is feeling cocky after all their Gold Medals at the Winter Olympics and is ready to send 14 military personnel on skis and snow shoes to free Kiev.
    Darn, why couldn’t Putin wait until the weather was warmer? Maybe we can borrow some warm fatigues from the former East Germany at their Army Navy Surplus stores.

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  38. Walt Avatar

    Since “O” and Co. took over, global stability has had the wheels fall off.
    The entire Middle East sand box is aflame, and as we speak Israel is getting
    tossed under the bus by Obummer. With friends like him who needs the Palestinians or Iranians?
    Right here at home the same clan are pissing off our neighbors to the North.
    “Nope,, your oil is no good here, nor can you ship it by pipeline. Just one train load at a time. ( never mind Warren Buffett’s trains fell off the tracks
    four times, in as many months)
    About the only continent that that we haven’t “dissed” is Australia. Give “O” time on that. he still has some left.

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  39. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    Todd — It was actually Truman who first sent military personnel to VietNam in 1950 to aid the French. In 1955, after Dien Ben Phu and the partition, Eisenhower sent additional military personnel to aid in the formation of the So. VietNamese defense forces. Five years later when So. VietNam refused to abide by the partition agreement and hold reunification elections, the civil war began. At this time the South asked for military field advisors and Kennedy complied. There already was an American military presence and implied obligation in So. VietNam for ten years when Kennedy took office. In fact Kennedy was said to have been reconsidering American involvement when he was assassinated. The first major escalation came soon after his death, after the now questionable Gulf of Tonkin affair, when Johnson began sending in ground troops instead of only “advisors.”
    So what lame point were you trying to make anyway: that it is not always “old men” who send soldiers into harms way? Does it even matter who does the sending? Besides, had you read my two sentences more carefully you might have noticed that what I wrote was, “How easy it is for old men to talk of sending mostly other people’s children off to war. ” I was talking about old men on blogs rattling sabers not Presidents rattling sabers or using them.

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  40. Walt Avatar

    One diff. Joe, is that there is no draft today, unlike “back then.”
    The brave men and women who volunteer today know full well what they are signing up for. Except for those few that join for the “education” benefits, or other ulterior motives. ( like the one who publicly posted her “ditching” 4:00 TAPS.)
    This nation has men and women that are more than willing to go anywhere where the “bad guys” are at just so we here at home are not fighting or fearing those same “bad guys” in our own streets and front yards. Where would you choose to fight?
    This time around “they” started it on good ol’ 9/11.
    Then we tracked them down, no matter where they were. ” If you harbor terrorists, we will come in after them”.. And pretty much, we stuck to that. Even asking permission to do so in some cases.
    Things really went sour for us when arm chair “warrior” politicians began rewriting the rules of engagement to the point where troops on the ground needed a JAG officer’s OK to pull the trigger. ( all by piss poor radio communication)
    The enemy of today hides behind women and children. They do not wear uniforms.
    Funny how when the smoke clears, these enemy fighters get counted as civilian casualties against us.
    That reminds me. Wasn’t it bleeding heart Hollywood Leftists who managed to drag us into the ” Blackhawk down” fiasco? ” For the children” ya’ know…
    We know… Their best intentions were there… ( nope,, that’s not going to cut it.)

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    stevenfrisch

    Posted by: Joe Koyote | 04 March 2014 at 03:21 PM
    Oh come on Joe, don’t you know history is just a sound bite to be cherry picked and used for partisan political purposes 40 years later?
    We can’t expect people to actually read FitzGerald’s Fire In The Lake, or Karnow’s Vietnam: A History, or Paul Vann’s Bright And Shining Lie……..or listen to the men who were there can we?

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  42. Walt Avatar

    Now back to the subject at hand,, the fun and follies of the admin.
    Hear about Lois Learner? ” She” claims her life is in danger if she talks.
    Claims of threats,the whole ball of wax.
    Now there could be no truth of that what so ever. These are law abiding Libs we are talking about here. Can’t point the finger at the Tea Party,, they want her to spill it for all to hear.
    Maybe we should look at the accusation another way. “O” stated “there isn’t a smidgen of corruption. etc,etc,etc…”
    So who may be telling the truth?
    Then again, it could be her getting cold feet, and trying to weasel out with the best excuse she could find.

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  43. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Mr. Walt. Concerning the IRS Scandal…yes, it is indeed a scandal, here is a opinion for one of the targeted. Like him or not, this man has a good story to tell. And he is not even a Tea Party person as far as I can tell:
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/03/04/is-this-irs-scandal-smoking-gun/?intcmp=trending
    Now back to the KGB and Mother Russia. Politically, Putin is back on top. One thing the Russians love is a strong man. Putin is taking on that role perfectly. Peter The Great and now V.Putin the Great. Opps, I forgot Ivan the Terrible.
    Mr. Steele is correct once again. Our only real weapon is for us to frack, frack, frack and flood the world with cheap natural gas. Once again Russia will fall under its own weight if Europe buys our gas. Western Europe simply cannot afford or rely on their green energy to sustain their economies. Less is not more. We can be the world’s #1 exporter of gas and oil by 2020 if we had the political will, which looks more like a fading pipe dream with each passing month.
    Putin is now the most recognized person on Earth. Obama has slipped to number two. I posted this once, but the timing is worth posting it again.
    https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/q71/s720x720/1235342_10151640325045911_163150353_n.jpg

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  44. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    Our only real weapon is for us to frack, frack, frack and flood the world with cheap natural gas. ” God help us. This route is based upon one major assumption that has yet to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt; that fracking is safe. One of the major proposed fracking sites is the San Joaquin Valley, sometimes known as the breadbasket of the world. Polluting the groundwater of one of the world’s richest agricultural regions to quell some cock-a-doodle-do rooster strutting his feathers won’t accomplish much in the long term other than further enrich the oil companies. And yes, I am aware of all the industry funded studies that say fracking is harmless. It is like the fox telling the farmer not to worry about the chickens, he’ll guard them.

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  45. George Rebane Avatar

    JoeK 1150am – are you aware of any funded studies that are ‘agenda-less’? Your comments over the years sound as if there are some yet-to-be-identified credible sources that are not grounded on some socio-economic agenda or other. Pray, reveal these sources and how much credence should we put in them so that we all may take equal comfort in their output products.

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  46. Walt Avatar

    Uh,,, Joe,,,, seems “our bread basket of the world” needs to be said in the “past tense”. The Progressive “water Nazis” have cut off the water to grow those crops.
    Never mind the ECO gang (yourself included) has yet to prove any claim of “DANGER”.
    Even Dear Leader’s “all knowing ” EPA has failed to do so. But Ca.’s ” waterboard”
    is somehow more knowledgeable? LOL!!
    Don’t bother with throwing fear of “man made earthquakes” out there. They don’t seem to bother the ECO gang in Calistoga at the geothermal farm there. A look at the USGS earthquake page would do you wonders.
    Those vary farmers may want those gas wells. They would make more money from a one acre well site than they ever did with 100 planted acres.( if not more)
    What REALLY sucks is Dear ol’ Dad sold his orchard property in that aria just after I was born. DAMN!!

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  47. Paul Emery Avatar

    Joe
    Just a clarification about fracking in California. Most of the time it’s done for the extraction of oil not natural gas.
    “Fracking is usually used to mine natural gas, but it’s not natural gas companies here in California are after, it’s oil.”
    http://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/What-the-Frack-Controversial-Drilling-Happening-Here-in-California-140956263.html

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  48. Walt Avatar

    Either way Paul, NO proof, NO facts, that the practice is harmful.
    Ya, the fear mongering worked for a spell. Then the lies were shown for what
    they were.

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  49. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    What would you consider to be a credible source on the fracking question?

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