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George Rebane

Two major factors are now in the forefront of impending social upheavals in America – the growing economic destruction wrought by Obamacare and the accelerating surge of systemic unemployment.  And there is little help on the way because the polarized sides have no middle ground in which to search for solutions.  To even define a middle ground, each side would have to visibly give up their much publicized and long held principles and tenets which found their worldview.  And so we proceed apace to the precipice.

The collectivist contingents know well that large scale civil unrest is more likely with each announced executive order and bureaucratic regulatory diktat.  Preparations for such disorder have been well documented in these pages (more here and here).  To this we add today’s announcement that the idyllic mountain community of South Lake Tahoe has just received its war machine for the purpose of “saving lives”.  NPR (KXJZ) announced this morning the delivery of an almost new $600,000 MRAP fighting vehicle sporting a heavy weapons turret that is a gift to the community from DHS.  With one of these on their side, the authorities expect to snuff out any nascent popular uprising or resistance.  It’s your guess as to which lives will be ‘saved’ in such an encounter.

But that’s not the main point I want to cover here.  The continuing conundrum is the cognitive dissonance in the minds of collectivists when it comes to economics and human nature.  The collectivist believes that attendant costs do not affect the behavior of humans and businesses; that members of each category will behave unchanged as costs – be they taxes or wages – go up or down.  Therefore those considerations go by the board as the central planners fashion and implement public policies.


The latest CBO revelations about Obamacare’s shrinking the jobs market by 2.5M as its processes are implemented are totally rejected by collectivists who see such shrinkage simply as the expression of “choice” by people whether to work or not.  Not even a smidgeon of middle ground is visible with such an interpretation that to most on the right looks like rank cynicism spewed out to a vast sea of constituent sheeple (e.g. those for whom placing the Atlantic Ocean on a globe is a challenge).

Breaking news for some is that today millions are trapped in a healthcare coverage gap with Obamacare (here).  The short of it is that those trapped ‘earn too little for Obamacare’s subsidies but are still ineligible for benefits under existing Medicaid programs.’ – another emergent property of the solutions that issue from powerful little minds charged with solving big problems.  Almost five million of the poor and struggling classes will suffer under this latest hiccup.

With job growth hobbled and government policies adding to the misery, the planner’s solution is to raise the height of the first rung on the economic ladder and once more raise the minimum wage.  That old saw has yet to demonstrate that it has promoted the creation of a single job; the opposite is visible everywhere you look, again among the young, the poor, and the minorities.  (Robert Strayton in the 10feb14 WSJ makes a radical proposal to reduce the minimum wage to $5 in order to create jobs, especially for the chronically unemployed, unskilled, and even unemployable.)

What appears beyond the cognitive pale of the planners and their public can be explained to others with a simple example.  If a person is getting, say, $30K per year of government benefits that stop if s/he takes a job paying $30K, then would that be a reasonable expectation over the aggregate of such welfare recipients?  Most unimpaired observers would say no, and quickly add that there are also opportunity costs involved to the welfare recipient who will demand significantly more than $30K before giving up a lifestyle that garners that amount for no effort.  Yet the obvious is opaque to the planners, who instead will install an additional barrier to employment of the unskilled by increasing the minimum wage that a potential employer would have to absorb in his business costs.

And therein lies the second conundrum.  The collectivists and their sheeple have no idea how a business runs and manages its cashflow.  Profits are seen as excessive reward for greed that can be reduced if not relinquished by correctly thinking enterprises.  And if the result is that the business falters and has to close; well then, it’s time to see if the business is worthy of additional government subsidies that may be collected from the ‘rich’ and surviving businesses.  You see, the planners know what the proper levels of profit, wages, and risks are for any and every enterprise in our fair land.  And these will be assiduously emplaced and rigorously enforced once the appropriately compliant legislatures are elected.  Toward that the planners are making progress every day.

But somewhere in their heart of hearts even the planners have begun to understand that this is not the same world that Lenin, Trotsky, Mao, and Castro faced.  Stuff is being developed and put into service that totally replaces human labor, and that is happening more and more every day.  The notion of systemic unemployment in even semi-free markets is now beginning to be recognized by economists who offer their belated insights in such publications as the WSJ and The Economist (here the NYT’s myopia is terminal).

With such revelations the thought must cross planners’ minds that job creation may actually be impeded if you don’t commensurately reward risk and instead increase wages by mandated fiat.  Hence precautions must be put in place to assure that a transition to a state controlled economy will not be impeded by the remaining believers in market based capitalism, free enterprise, and individual liberties.  Hence we must prepare and equip all possible agencies of the state with arms, ammunition, equipment, and training to handle the recalcitrant.  And the more astute planners take great comfort in that the same technologies that displace workers can also be used to effectively monitor and control large populations.  All that need be done is to continue educating the youth on a strong environmental ethic, a weak and evil America, and the need to suppress terror, especially the homegrown kind that can challenge the state.

You see, from the planners’ perspective, the objectives of how mankind will live in concert with the environment and a healthy earth all come together in one coordinated whole that is overseen by the all-seeing, all-knowing benevolent state.  That Founders like Madison (Federalist 51) warned us about government overreach when one ‘department’ of the state becomes pre-dominant makes no never mind in today’s government education industry or the now lame Fourth Estate.  Jeffrey H. Anderson (banker, venture capitalist who writes for Bloomberg, Washington Times, Weekly Standard, etc) summarizes Madison’s warning –

A well-informed, sober citizenry must ultimately hold our government officials in check.  But especially in the absence of an attentive press corps, the citizenry relies upon members of Congress, governors, and leaders of all stripes to call attention to dangerous ambitions and encroachments by the president that jeopardize our constitutional forms.

In the large, such a citizenry no longer exists, and the remnants are being identified as domestic enemies of the state and dealt with accordingly.

[11feb14 update]  Systemic and structural unemployment are joined at the hip.  Both have been extensively covered in these pages over the years.  Yesterday the Fed’s Yellen debuted in congressional testimony and pointed out to the legislators that all of the unemployment we are witnessing is not due to cyclical factors like the Great Recession.  Some of it is actually structural and involves the decline in workforce participation (now under 63%) due to many factors.  She did not go on to point out the impact of accelerating technology, let alone our living in the pre-Singularity years, and thereby allowed the congressionals (I reject ‘congresspersons’) to continue their slumbering dreams of a world in which nothing new is happening. (more here)

A contrary view was reported in an interview (here) with Dr Ray Kurzweil (q.v.) who is currently also serving as Google’s Director of Engineering.  Kurzweil is directing projects involving the augmentation and expansion of human cognition, and which give unqualified lie to the expressed beliefs at all government levels where heads remain firmly stuck in the sand or a more odoriferous place foreign to sunshine.  Kurzweil’s remains firm in his most recent assessment that the Singularity will occur before 2029, and sees its advent as the start of a beneficent age for all mankind.

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68 responses to “The Liberal Mind – Work and Workers (updated 11feb14)”

  1. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    A caller on Rush made the point today that “income inequality” is now moot since there are not going to be any jobs, thus no income. Priceless.

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  2. Russ Steele Avatar

    It will not be long before the folks in South Lake Tahoe will soon wish they never heard of an MRAP, let alone get one as a gift, as the maintenance and logistic cost are extremely high, just to keep the system running. The estimate service live of an MRAP is about 15 years, and procurement is only about 28 percent of the total cost of ownership. MRAP was procured under a Rapid Acquisition systems the logistics systems for long term support is very expensive and the DOD is looking to get rid of as many of these logistic nightmares as possible. So, what do they do, they unload them on as many unsuspecting communities as possible.
    Who is going to maintain the systems? Who is going to buy the spare parts? What happens when are are no spare parts? Who is going to pay for the disposal of a vehicle that can no longer function? What is the budget for this gift? Tax payers in South Lake Tahoe should be concerned. They now own a very expensive pig in a poke.

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  3. Russ Steele Avatar

    Training is Underway Against the 2nd Amendment Terrorist
    Documents from an Ohio National Guard (ONG) training drill conducted last January reveal the details of a mock disaster where Second Amendment supporters with “anti-government” opinions were portrayed as domestic terrorists.
    The ONG 52nd Civil Support Team training scenario involved a plot from local school district employees to use biological weapons in order to advance their beliefs about “protecting Gun Rights and Second Amendment rights.”
    Portsmouth Chief of Police Bill Raisin told NBC 3 WSAZ-TV in Huntington, West Virginia that the drill accurately represented “the reality of the world we live in,” adding that such training “helps us all be prepared.”
    Internal ONG documents provided to Media Trackers after repeated delays provide further context to what WSAZ-TV reported last winter.
    In the disaster-preparedness scenario, two Portsmouth Junior High School employees poisoned school lunches with mustard gas, acting on orders from white-nationalist leader William Pierce.
    The ONG team discovered biological weapons being produced in the school, requiring activation of containment and decontamination procedures.
    Participants in the disaster drill located documents expressing the school employees’ “anti-government” sentiments, as well as a note identifying Pierce as the fictional right-wing terrorists’ leader.
    ONG’s 52nd Civil Support Unit participated in a similar drill involving left-wing terrorists with Athens County first responders last year; public officials apologized for that training the next day in response to complaints from local environmentalist groups.
    No apology to Ohioans who supported limited government and the Second Amendment appears to be forthcoming.
    Scioto County Emergency Management Agency director Kim Carver refused to comment, telling Media Trackers she was “not going to get into an Ohio Army National Guard issue that you have with them.”
    Ohio National Guard Communications Director James Sims II suggested Media Trackers was “inferring” from the ONG document’s contents as opposed to “what’s actually in the report.”
    After excerpts of the report were read to him, Sims said it was “not relevant” to understand why conservatives may feel unduly targeted by ONG’s training scenario.
    “Okay, I’m gonna stop ya there. I’m going to quit this conversation,” Sims concluded. “You have a good day.”
    Buckeye Firearms Association spokesman Chad Baus told Media Trackers that “it is a scary day indeed when law enforcement are being trained that Second Amendment advocates are the enemy,”

    Should we 2nd Amendment advocates be concerned?

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  4. George Rebane Avatar

    RussS 845pm – Your analysis is correct. Our best hope is that these things will become dysfunctional relics before they are used against Americans opposing autocracy. But in the interval they may become budget busting costs to maintain by small dedicated teams of expensive mechanics.
    RussS 907pm – Yes, definitely! Given the daily more restrictive regulations on gun ownership, designation of ‘assault weapons’, and the government mandated shortages of ammunition, the 2nd Amendment is being constructively abrogated before it will be repealed de juris.

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  5. Gregory Avatar

    The SCOTUS may or may not be taking a case that hinges on what the right to bear arms might be… it hasn’t been defined. It’s now settled law that the right to keep guns, in your own home, is guaranteed in the Bill of Rights. Now they may be deciding if when the Convention drafted the 2nd, when they wrote “keep and bear” they really did mean “own and carry”.

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  6. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 933pm – Yes, I and many others before me believe that the right to “bear” arms does mean the right to “carry” them outside the confines of our homes. The Founders gave no evidence that they were given to cynical humor, prescribing constitutional rights to march around and carry our guns only within our living rooms.

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  7. Gregory Avatar

    Ya think? I recall Paul E asking me maybe a year ago if I thought the Black Panthers had the right to keep and bear arms openly like they did in the ’60’s and I hope he wasn’t too surprised with my Absolutely!
    Regarding Ohio’s National Guard, they do have some history:
    “Ohio”
    “Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,
    We’re finally on our own.
    This summer I hear the drumming,
    Four dead in Ohio.
    Gotta get down to it
    Soldiers are cutting us down
    Should have been done long ago.
    What if you knew her
    And found her dead on the ground
    How can you run when you know?
    Gotta get down to it
    Soldiers are cutting us down
    Should have been done long ago.
    What if you knew her
    And found her dead on the ground
    How can you run when you know?
    Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,
    We’re finally on our own.
    This summer I hear the drumming,
    Four dead in Ohio.”
    To be fair to the current ONG, they probably felt pressured to manufacture a right wing antagonist after their previous left wing-centered war game got the left’s undies in a knot.

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  8. MikeL Avatar
    MikeL

    Ben,
    Since you and your spiritual leader, Bill Moyer are so concerned with racism, I was wondering what you thought about the clearly racist tanning bed tax in the Un Affordable Care Act.

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  9. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    Does that mean you have the right to pack a Double Barrel to your local bar? How about an Uzi to football games or a pair of Six Guns to a July 4th parade?

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  10. Paul Emery Avatar

    That’s RE George 9:50

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  11. Ben Emery Avatar

    Mickey,
    I consider it equivalent to a cigarette tax. Tanning beds will increase melanomas therefore it makes sense to raise revenue to treat such avoidable dangers through the behavior itself.
    http://www.skincancer.org/news/tanning/tanning-beds-who-issues-official-warning
    It is really grasping at straws to call this a racist policy but I do recognize the chances for people of color going to tanning booth are extremely low.

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  12. Brad Croul Avatar
    Brad Croul

    Mickey, it is a bummer that you might have to pay more to keep your base tan going through the winter. You could always buy a lawn chair and try sitting outside in the sun.
    Re: MRAPS
    They are surplus and can be had for free (according to Wiki). As a kid I was a big fan of the army surplus store in my neiboorhood.
    I think Rough and Ready should apply for one!

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  13. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    I want a MRAP! I loved the army surplus stuff I used to get at Swenson’s. We played with that stuff for years in the 50’s.
    Regarding the tax on “tans”. If the money went into melanoma research then I could see a correlation with the tax. But it goes into the “general fund” of ObamaCare and probably pays an exorbitant salary for some political payoff bureaucrat. What a world!

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  14. fish Avatar
    fish

    Does that mean you have the right to pack a Double Barrel to your local bar? How about an Uzi to football games or a pair of Six Guns to a July 4th parade?
    Are you saying there is not a right to do so?

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  15. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 556am – Excellent question, and the short answer – YES! A law abiding citizen should be able to take his personal weapon into any (see below) public venue he desires. He will, of course, be responsible for their deportment – legal or illegal. Today more states are liberalizing their CCW laws, and millions of Americans are presumably packing discrete heat as a consequence. In days of yore it was quite common for gentlemen (and many ladies) to carry small pistols in their daily round as part of their normal ‘kit’. Consequently a maddened killer bursting in to murder someone in a public place was more often than not dispatched by onlookers before he could do much harm, and most certainly before the police arrived. That itself can explain the lack of such mass killings as we sometimes witness today when the killer knows he can kill with impunity.
    Being able to carry any legally owned weapon openly in public doesn’t mean that people will. After all, there is a certain silliness to walking into a football stadium with a (semi-auto) Uzi strapped to your back. Displaying such firepower where others see no apparent need for it has other social drawbacks. In many states (e.g. California) such ‘open carry’ is considered ‘brandishing’ and is forbidden by law, but which I believe should be allowed. This especially so to make a statement when citizens of like mind gather peaceably to protest some government overreach.
    Now I think it would be foolish to wear loaded six-guns in their traditional holsters to a crowded parade. The ability to control their whereabouts in a crowd is marginal at best. (As Officer of the Guard going through a packed NCO Club I once had a tipsy sergeant’s wife almost get my 45 out of its clasped holster. That would have been exciting.) I also believe that the owners of any private establishment/venue have the right to dictate rules for open carry on their property.
    Liberals (genetically persuaded?) and others ignorant of guns and the use of personal weapons believe that legal possession of lethal force inevitably leads to its illegal use in private hands. They have little idea that a baseball bat, flashlight, pocket knife, or even a ballpoint pen can kill just as quickly (and more silently) than a 9mm parabellum semi-auto pistol. It again comes down to who decides to be a killer, and not whether he carries a weapon proscribed by the ignorant and/or the ideologue.
    I hope this helps settle where I stand with respect to your obvious concerns.

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  16. Gregory Avatar

    “Re: MRAPS
    They are surplus and can be had for free (according to Wiki). As a kid I was a big fan of the army surplus store in my neiboorhood.
    I think Rough and Ready should apply for one!” -Brad Croul
    Remember, Henry Ford once said he’d be happy to give away cars if he could be guaranteed the business for replacement parts. Free for a monstrosity like that MRAP is not cheap.

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  17. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: George Rebane | 11 February 2014 at 10:53 AM
    But George……gunz r icky!

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  18. fish Avatar
    fish

    Stay tuned for another patented Steven Frisch brand “All Fear, All the Time Morning Update!…and if you say the phrase that pays you win a $25 Sierra Bidness Council gift card that can be used for professional tax preparation services……
    Play the bit!
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    http://www.infowars.com/homeland-security-to-purchase-141000-rounds-of-sniper-ammo/
    Stevo……rebuttal?

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  19. Russ Steele Avatar

    George, in reference to the update, Google and Dr Ray Kurzweil
    Foxconn — the controversial Taiwanese company with manufacturing facilities throughout Asia — is known for assembling Apple iPhones and iPads, but it looks like it’s been quietly working with Google too.
    According to The Wall Street Journal, Foxconn recently met with Android founder Andy Rubin to discuss opportunities related to Google’s budding robotics efforts.
    Rubin reportedly told Foxconn it wants the facilities’ mechanical engineering expertise to help integrate tech from a company Google is acquiring.
    Google’s interest in robotics has grown significantly in the past year — it acquired 8 robotics companies in 2013, including Boston Dynamics, which develops the Pentagon’s mobile research robots. (Its robots can runner faster than any human).
    The move comes as Foxconn aims to make its factory processes more automated in the face of increasing labor costs and workplace disputes, the report said. In fact, it’s expected to use more robots in factories in the future.

    More robots = fewer jobs for the unskilled, low skilled and moderate skilled worker. Foxconn has the manufacturing capacity to create millions of robotic devices. We are coming closer and closer to implementation of Dr Kurzweil’s vision of the future.

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  20. George Rebane Avatar

    RussS 1145am – thanks for that important update. RR has covered the remarkable robotic developments at Boston Dynamics over the years.
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2009/10/and-now-on-two-legs.html

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  21. Gregory Avatar

    Fish, I think Frisch stopped having fun when his posts backfired, hoist by his own petard.

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  22. Walt Avatar

    Nice little quip there Paul, Nevermind the fact that your side of the fence
    has done a fine job of redefining the words “keep and bear”,, and have forgot
    the meaning of ” infringement” ( or redefined that as well) Is it only when
    LIB ideals are getting trod upon does “infringement” come out of LIB mouths?
    Unions think they have a Constitutional “right” to force people to pay them for the “honor” of a job.
    Or using tax dollars to sue the taxpayers and businesses, all in the name of “critters” and “ECO”. The ECO gang has a great scam working there…
    No money out of pocket… Just send the bill to EPA, and us taxpayers foot the lawyer’s bill.
    Let’s start infringing on that rigged “right”.
    Back to the subject of guns,, it seems someone has made a “workaround” of all the “scary parts” of an AR style firearm. Here in Ca. the idiot lawmakers who probably never fondled a gun in their lives, drew up laws out of thin air for “assault weapon”..
    http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/genchar2
    Here is the “workaround” that defeats the “scary gun” laws.
    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/370733/manufacturers-change-look-ar-15-rifle-now-legal-new-york-state-charles-c-w-cooke
    This is what real Americans do when government attacks. They “obey” the letter of the law, then build around the law.
    I need to order that kit. With all the “anti scary” changes, I may be able to get rid of my “bullet button tool” to extract my magazine.

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  23. Paul Emery Avatar

    So George it’s a personal choice to bring a double barrel into a bar and have a couple of scotch and soda’s after work. The rest of us have to accept that someone has a loaded firearm while they are having drinks. It’s my rights as an American to pack and carry anywhere I want. There are already laws about CCW’s. Do you propose they be eliminated? You write
    “Being able to carry any legally owned weapon openly in public doesn’t mean that people will.” Of course they will George. How can you be so naive. Does the bar owner have the right to restrict firearms in his business? What about his property rights? Thank goodness this view is held by so few. As much as I respect your reasoning on so many matters you are really off the charts on this one. Really, a loaded double barrel in a bar……

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  24. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    A couple of our local officials had to go get CCW permits because of threats. PaulE, if you were getting death threats would you carry a weapon?

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  25. fish Avatar
    fish

    Thank goodness this view is held by so few. As much as I respect your reasoning on so many matters you are really off the charts on this one. Really, a loaded double barrel in a bar……
    Won’t somebody help that feeble old man to his fainting couch…….

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  26. fish Avatar
    fish

    Fish, I think Frisch stopped having fun when his posts backfired, hoist by his own petard.
    Frisch accused the board at large of cowardice for inquiring about some of the more “questionable” purchases made by FEDGOV of late…..I like to think we had a productive discussion! 😉

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  27. fish Avatar
    fish

    “Does the bar owner have the right to restrict firearms in his business? What about his property rights?”
    Posted by: George Rebane | 11 February 2014 at 10:53 AM
    …I also believe that the owners of any private establishment/venue have the right to dictate rules for open carry on their property.
    Reading comprehension……how do it work?

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  28. Paul Emery Avatar

    Todd
    I have no problem with CCW permits. Can you show me where I said otherwise?

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  29. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    But Paul has no problem with folks exiting bars and driving. If you don’t like the idea of some one in a bar with a firearm then leave and tell the barkeep why. The free market system solves all of these problems. Like most lefties, Paul has no comprehension of what is the most probable cause of his being harmed or killed. He fixates on ‘scary’ stuff that he doesn’t like. Check out the statistics of weapons used in killings. Ever go to a bar where the patrons all have hands? One punch can and has on many occasions killed people. Maybe the real problem is anger management issues and alcoholism. I know it’s boring and involves self control and value judgements, so it’s a right-wing thing and possibly racist to boot.

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  30. Brad Croul Avatar
    Brad Croul

    Gregory, yes, MRAP = metal box you throw money at.
    I was imagining these boat anchors could be placed in parks for kids to play on. 🙂

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  31. Paul Emery Avatar

    Scott
    Do you believe that a bar owner or any business owner can have a no firearms rule in his business?

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  32. Walt Avatar

    UHHhhh,,, didn’t we have an issue a while back with a barkeep having a gun on premises? I don’t recall the facts on why he had to “brandish” or “pull it”,,
    but I do recall the local cops trying to brand HIM as the criminal.
    Just yesterday I read where a stanch anti gun clown got busted for packing heat on school grounds. ” He forgot he had it on him.” was the excuse. Now just how do you forget THAT?? Second,, what’s a gun grabber doing packing heat in the first place? A little hypocritical if you ask me..
    The lowhttp://dailycaller.com/2014/02/10/gun-stun-gun-control-activist-swears-he-forgot-he-was-carrying-gun-while-visiting-school/down is found here..

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  33. Paul Emery Avatar

    Let me repeat my question to Walt as well:
    Do you believe that a bar owner or any business owner can have a no firearms rule in his business?

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  34. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    PaulE, I never questioned you about your position on CCW. Where did you get that?
    Regarding the bar keep. Yes, a private business owner can decide what he/she will allow on their premises. This has been eroded over the years by courts claiming some sort of ridiculous “police powers” for the state to tell us what we can and cannot do with our own property. Smoking is the latest outrage along with rental housing.
    If the bar owner places a sign sating no firearms allowed, that should be his prerogative.

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  35. Paul Emery Avatar

    Todd
    I just wanted to make it clear that I support the licensing system that allows concealed weapons permits as it exists today. There are very few examples of abuse or misuse of firearms in California from those properly screened and licensed. I’m sure that includes the examples you cited in your 12:55

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  36. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1242pm – not sure what your misunderstanding of my 1053am is. I think Mr fish in his 120pm highlighted it.

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  37. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Of course, Paul. I thought we sort of drove that one into the ground. Why do you think I wrote that if you didn’t like being in a bar with an armed person to tell the barkeep why you were leaving?

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  38. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    I was asking for a clarification if rights of a business or property owner trumps the right to carry (as you define it).
    It’s not clear from your 10:53. Todd expressed his views on the matter quite clearly.

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  39. Paul Emery Avatar

    Scott-George
    I was also referring to concealed carry as well. In other words can my business and private property be a no gun zone? Can I post a sign that says for example “You cannot enter this business if you are carrying a firearm.”

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  40. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 528pm – I don’t believe that a private property owner should be able to keep out an individual with a legal CCW who is carrying a concealed weapon. The CCW person would create no intrusion on the sensibilities of the other visitors/attendees, and the person with criminal intent would ignore the prohibition in any event. This is the kind of “no gun zone” argument that makes all the sense in the world for progressives, and none whatsoever for conservatives.

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  41. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    The requirements for a legal CCW as they exist today seem to work pretty well at least in California. As long as they are licensed under current regulations I have no problem since they are based on a need to carry so to speak and are vetted through a pretty serious background check. AS long as that system is in place I’m OK with this.

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  42. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 652pm – Recall that you asked me about my beliefs, not what the current California CCW laws are. To the extent that private parties can restrict legal concealed carries, I believe them to be useless in their purported objectives and to violate 2nd Amendment rights.

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  43. Paul Emery Avatar

    Right now a legal CCW must comply with State and Local laws so you are arguing that those restrictions are unconstitutional. So is a legal CCW based on you’re personal view of the law and the Constitution or the current law of the land?

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  44. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 759pm – not sure about the construction of your question. The current CCW laws are what they are across the several states. In my opinion, to the extent that permitted concealed carry is prohibited in selected venues by the government or private individuals, to that extent I hold them to be unconstitutional. In short, once you are vetted by the state for a CCW permit, you should be able to carry a concealed weapon anywhere within the jurisdiction of the vetting agency. This would still allow variations in how states construct and enforce their CCW laws. I, of course, am in favor of more than fewer guns in the hands of qualified citizens wherever they may find themselves.

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  45. Paul Emery Avatar

    Thanks George for the clarification. Of course laws are Constitutional until successfully challenged so it’s a moot point and personal opinion as to the Constitutionality of any law until vetted by the courts.

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  46. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Dr. Rebane, this is one of your best posts. I must say I was waiting to see a discussion of the liberal mind on the topic or work and workers, aka, employment. Best short sentences I read in awhile from the post are:
    “The continuing conundrum is the cognitive dissonance in the minds of collectivists when it comes to economics and human nature. The collectivist believes that attendant costs do not affect the behavior of humans and businesses; that members of each category will behave unchanged as costs – be they taxes or wages – go up or down. Therefore those considerations go by the board as the central planners fashion and implement public policies.”
    I can’t make this short.. What every seeker of Utopia here on Earth misses is unchanged HUMAN NATURE. Whether you be left or right, human nature is so far above politics or government dictates. In the left’s perfect world, there will be no greed, corruption, favoritism and everybody, and I do mean everybody, will all join hands and toe the line, right? Never happen. That is why police ticket motorists who are using their cell phones. People just do what people do.
    As far as work and workers per the liberal mind, I don’t need to look any farther than the President’s very recent State of The Union Address. Raising minimum wage for Federal contractors only? Oh, that will rise people out of poverty. Gee, Mr. President, what about friggin jobs?
    Our President went on to declare Equal Pay for equal work. Gee Mr. Shit For Brains President, haven’t you heard of the 1963 Equal Pay Act, or Title 7, of even the Lilly Leadbuttom (or whatever that bill is called)Act that covered the same ground as your proclamation?
    No use spouting that line “If you pay a man not to work, he will not work.” No use saying if a person on the dole or partial dole gets an increase in income, that person will receive less after the subsidies disappear. That person will make up to the limit for the freebies and not a dime more. Whoever said people vote with their feet was correct.
    The IRS always encourages tax payers to take advantage of every single tax deduction they can. Its on their web site and they even run PSA’s about not paying more than you have to each and every year. But, when Mitt Romney discloses his tax returns, suddenly the libs go bonkers and Joe Biden thinks its unpatriotic. Never mind Romney could have taken more deductions. Never mind Bill Clinton wrote off his used dirty sticky underwear…..donation to some non profit, lol.
    What does having the highest corporate tax rate do for the American worker? Hey, dummies, its called off shoring and out sourcing. What does Joe Blow do when his taxes increase??? Why he moves around to another locale. Our work force is mobile. Libs just don’t get it so its a waste of time.
    So, Mr. President, your jobs push is the 1963 Equal Pay for Equal Work Act or raising the minimum wage for Federal Contractors’ employees and nobody else?? Great speech, you bucket of rocks. How about an idea that might get some traction beyond your nose? Or better yet, how about an ideal that will produce tangible results. And what will happen to all of those that signed up for BarrackObamacare and got subsidiaries (so they can choose not to work as hard nor full time)….what will happen to them when the subsidies dries up in 2018??? Hey, Shit for Brains, throwing everybody on Medicaid and food stamps is your answer to rekindle the economic engine of our country?????
    Lincoln said if you pay me 6 hours to chop down a tree, I will spend the first 4 hours sharpening the ax. Libs don’t get human nature at all. But libs do get this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_iQZiVD_zA

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  47. L Avatar
    L

    Out here in the wild, wild West, AZ, one doesn’t need any permission from anyone to carry a concealed weapon. Doesn’t seem to have lead to any headlines. How ’bout that?

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  48. Ben Emery Avatar

    Bill,
    “What does having the highest corporate tax rate do for the American worker? Hey, dummies, its called off shoring and out sourcing. What does Joe Blow do when his taxes increase??? Why he moves around to another locale. Our work force is mobile. Libs just don’t get it so its a waste of time.”
    Wrong, we have one of the lowest effective corporate tax rates in the industrialized world. The way it works is large corporations would avoid paying a 1% tax if they could. Dozens if not hundreds of tax write offs are given if a business has savvy enough CFO and accountants. The reason for off shoring and outsourcing is the laws that once protected US industry, workers, and domestic economy were changed, nothing more. Then we signed away our economic sovereignty when we signed onto NAFTA, WTO, CAFTA, and about a half dozen other trade agreements. Large multinational corporations have never had better profits as have the top 0.5%-1%.
    Corporate Tax Dodgers: 10 Companies and Their Tax Loopholes
    http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/corporate-tax-dodgers-10-companies-and-their-tax-loopholes

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  49. fish Avatar
    fish

    Good morning Pastor Sparkle Pony!
    The problems with an effective taxation regime is that you just give the money to government who then proceeds to waste it.
    What’s the haps in Cambodia today…..?

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