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George Rebane

‘A Future of Failure?: The Flow of Technology Talent into Government and Civil Society’ was just published by Freedman Consulting, a progressive policy consultancy run by former staffers of Democrat administrations.  This important report was sponsored by the MacArthur and Ford Foundations, organizations that are much in tune with leftwing causes and central planning.  It recognizes failures – most notably healthcare.gov – by all levels of government to understand, incorporate, and operate systems that have a high technology component.

The report is timely, given what has happen and what portends for Americans as the federal government continues to stumble and bumble in such efforts to inject themselves more and more into our lives and fortunes. Through extensive interviews with government and “civil society” (i.e. NGOs and non-profits) officials and management, the authors conclude that governments are woefully lacking in STEMM (they add ‘medicine’ for the extra ‘M’) knowledge and expertise.  RR readers will not be surprised by any of the factual aspects and even most of the conclusions in the report. 


As an erroneous example of this, they blame the healthcare.com fiasco on such shortcomings.  While their overall premise is correct, they err here because the disastrous development of that website and its IT back end had little to do with government managers’ understanding of STEMM.  What they didn’t have were the most basic skills in structuring and executing a procurement program.  The disciplines they lacked and failed to exercise would have caused them to equally screw up everything from the building of a barn to buying trucks for the military.  And indeed, these civil servant types, appointed and hired, have demonstrated such ineptitude for as long as memory serves.  That is a prime reason why it is common knowledge to all but the hard Left that government should be entrusted with as little as absolutely necessary to serve the common weal.

But back to the report.  Given the bent of the report’s authors and sponsors, their ginger treatment of established and systemic government ineptitude is understandable.  For example they observe that the reason qualified STEMM people leave government in droves and opt for private industry is that for-profit companies “may” provide higher compensation, a more stimulating work environment, and advancement based on merit.  No $h!t Red Ryder.

In spite of such softballing, the report is well written and accompanied by informative tables and graphics.  Its key findings that explain government IT related failures are summed as –

•    The Current Pipeline is Insufficient (not enough people are being educated/trained in IT and STEMM fields while our students continue to “slip” – more here),
•    Barriers to Recruitment and Retention Are Acute (no competent practitioner wants to work with C students managed by double dummies),
•    A Major Gap between the Public-Interest and For-Profit Sectors Persists (it seems that the private sector fosters “a culture of innovation, openness, and creativity that (is) seen as more appealing to technologists.”  Gasp!),
•    A Need to Examine Models from Other Fields (Yep, about time they try finding out what work is like where the motto on the wall is something other than ‘CYA all the way!’),
•    Significant Opportunity for Connection and Training (they mean connecting and being trained in the thinking and ways of dispensing largesse from government on high),
•    Culture Change is Necessary (correct, but well-nigh impossible in environments that worship stasis, eschew risk, and depend on altruistic ‘go along to get along’ behavior).

All that being said and done, this report should be viewed as an intra-progressive communication that seeks to explain a continuing and now growing stream of government failures in a world becoming ever more technology dependent.  It doesn’t and can’t come right out and say that things are as they are because such bureaucracies with perverse embedded feedback systems can only be tolerated by people who are either scheming climbers or stupid and/or ignorant.  The basic message of this remarkable document reinforces the fundamental progressive precept that a growing gush of proactive public policies, based on central planning by an expanding government, are required to deliver an acceptable quality of life to Americans.

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266 responses to “‘A Future of Failure?’ – A Timely Progressive Lament”

  1. TheMikeyMcD Avatar

    Our art-heavy public schools are paying off!
    Connecticut’s Obamacare Exchange Spends More Than $75K In Taxpayer Funds On Three Murals…
    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/12/11/connecticuts-obamacare-exchange-spends-more-than-75k-in-taxpayer-funds-on-three-murals/

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  2. fish Avatar
    fish

    At $750, those would be pretty mediocre murals! I suppose that makes them entirely appropriate for this administration.

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  3. Ben Emery Avatar

    “Capitalism will never fail because socialism will always be there to bail it out”
    Ralph Nader
    What we are experiencing is the absolute failure of the social compact by the private sector and the public sector trying to fill in the holes. Wages, pensions, health insurance, and stability are all qualities of the private sector pre Reagan Revolution. Today the only workers that have any resemblance of these qualities is the public sector, therefore the private sector workers are being pitted against public sector workers.

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  4. fish Avatar
    fish

    Strong words from young Ben Emery…..now here’s Bob with the weather.

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  5. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Thanks for the jokes, Ben. Did you even read the points from the report? The private sector offers more pay and better working conditions than the public sector for competent workers. The social compact was always – ‘Here’s a job and here’s the pay and working conditions. Do you want it or not?’ Now the employer has to pay for all sorts of perks to even be allowed to hire someone. The govt has artificially driven up the cost of hiring and so the employers don’t hire as much. We went through this before. If something costs more, you will tend to get less of it. That’s why the govt discourages illegal behavior by making you pay money, if you act in a certain way. The govt is punishing businesses that hire, so there are less hires. Duh. Ralph has it a bit wrong, there. Crony capitalism is what he’s talking about. And he ‘forgets’ to mention that socialism needs capitalism to fund socialism’s money-wasting programs. That stupid mural is just one small example of how the govt pisses away money. Are you going to tell me that not having the mural and saving the money for the tax payers is ‘an assault on the poor?’
    Would that shred the safety net for the needy? Remember that Pelosi said we can’t possibly cut any more money.

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  6. fish Avatar
    fish

    Forget it Scott.. it’s Ben Emery….the little Lisa Simpson of this blog.

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  7. Ben Emery Avatar

    Scott,
    I know Paul has asked this many times here and nobody can ever give him an answer. I will word it a bit differently, name a country or economy of any relative size that has used your economic thus political philosophy without massive oppression or huge amounts of exploitation of labor with the result of prosperity for all?

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  8. George Rebane Avatar

    ScottO 814pm – I do think BenE’s 718pm is correct on the pitting of private vs public sector workers against one another. The public workers have essentially bankrupted the urban jurisdictions with their unfundable compensation packages, and now they expect the private sector to double down on taxes and fees so that they can enjoy their largesse. One side has definitely learned to live on the backs of the other side. And as you point out, there is no ready fix for the problem given the way things are going.

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  9. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    My Brother Ben: Prosperity for all? Hmmm. You misread the Constitution of the United States of America. We have equal in the eyes of God with our inalienable rights. We are not equal in condition or talent or will or situation, ever, ever, ever. Mins, emotion, will, creativity makes us unequal. Brother Ben, you desire equality of condition. Never, ever happen. Even Jesus said the poor will always be with us, That is always. There is a reason for that statement.
    Here is an example of someone who is not the sharpest tool in the shed, has one oar in the water, the elevator does not go to the top, 2 bricks shy of a full load, yet her condition is better than most of us:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jEeX8q1NQ4w

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  10. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    One has to wonder how much this video would have cost the taxpayer if done by goberment. Yep, the private sector has the innovations and fun. Why send 4 people and pencil them in for 3 days each when you can do this in a couple of hours? Plus, you don’t have to write a report which is read by someone who writes a report on the report you sent who sends it to someone who reads the report and writes a report and sends it to someone who reads the report and…..so on and so on.
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=3aW1OP3J-7s&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D3aW1OP3J-7s%26feature%3Dyoutube_gdata_player

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  11. Gregory Avatar

    It’s getting worse.
    STEM was bad enough, science, engineering and math watered down with “technology”, meaning science and engineering with low expectations. Now they’ve added M for medicine. Premed is already life science, heavy on biology with chemistry-lite and physics-lite required courses rather than the hard core offerings that chem, physics, engineering and math majors take.
    Medical would include nursing which takes even less math and lower level chemistry. My first wife, working as adjunct faculty at Sierra College, mostly taught “competency math”, getting returning adult students with high school diplomas, many of whom were aspiring to a BS Nursing at a CalState, ready to take algebra, which real STEM students take in the 8th grade.

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  12. rlcrabb Avatar

    Ya know, I really should have gone into the government art business. $24K a piece for some crummy murals is decent scratch, much better than what I make drawing politicians with distorted features. But then, that’s my problem. I can’t seem to control my political correctness long enough to get the job done.
    It was the same deal with the Tribute Trail art. They tried to dress up nature with dog turds, but someone messed them up. It might have worked if they would have put the turds in a punchbowl. Can you dig the metaphor?

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  13. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Gee Ben – I’ll answer that when you tell us if you have stopped beating your wife/dog/postman…. If you are really worried about exploitation of humans, then why don’t you look at the worst countries in that regard. Hint – they’re all lefties. Or just pure dictatorship. There aren’t any examples of countries that follow the ideas of our US Constitution. We started off with good intentions, but the very crap the founders warned us about came into being. The founders of our country were keen students of the human condition. Hasn’t changed a bit since we stopped swinging in the trees. Some are hard workers, some are lazy ass and some are power hungry. There is no right to prosperity. There is no right to financial security. There is no right to getting goods from the govt. The founders said so. If a job is a right, then you can never be fired and no one has to work. You, Ben, have to get up in the morning and be a productive member of society on your own initiative. That is the social contract. If you want to hand your own money to some one who will not work, I won’t stop you. Do your thing.
    Another statistic –
    http://www.atr.org/taxpayers-shell-obamacare-enrollee-a8033
    yessir, we be saving some serious money with Obamacare. Nothing to cut here, it would shred the safety net.

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  14. Ben Emery Avatar

    Scott,
    So you don’t have an example because what you advocate has failed every time it has been done. I am advocate democracy, which has folded into it all of my other issues. The beauty about my position it has never truly been done a large scales but where it is done the best have the highest satisfaction from its citizens.
    Our founders had it written into law that human beings were property without standing in our judicial system but yet these pieces of property were counted as 3/5th of a human being to give their oppressors more representation in our republic. Don’t you find it strange the very arguments that many who share the right wing ideology share the messaging and opinions of those in the deep south during the early years of our nation?
    The founders were just as flawed as anybody else but they were enlightened enough to know there was something better than what was being done. Self Determination is was the colonies grew to understand as their rights, which they used to tax themselves and supported mercantilism a.k.a. protectionism.

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  15. Ben Emery Avatar

    Greg, 11 December 2013 at 10:39 PM
    “getting returning adult students with high school diplomas, many of whom were aspiring to a BS Nursing at a CalState, ready to take algebra, which real STEM students take in the 8th grade.”
    What % of careers actually use algebra? Those adult nursing students took algebra a decade or more ago and have never had a practical use for it. In my case it had been 24 years since I used algebra in a class setting. So I audited a algebra class at Sierra so I could test out of the that level. I would have received an A in the class and will tell you I had virtually zero retention of the useless subject up until that point. The biggest plus was I could help my 7/ 8th grade players with their math and we saw a big jump in there gpa in algebra. I used to mandate a study hall with my players until they had to start leaving books in their class rooms in about 10’/11′. Actually my teams gpa in all subjects as a whole would increase during basketball season and until that shift in policy that stopped our study halls I had never lost a player to poor grades. After that policy shift I lost at least two players a season to grades. I try to teach my players that doing their school work and getting good grades is actually easier and way less stressful. I use myself as an example of how I just did enough work to play sports. When I started college in my 30’s I just did the reading and assigned work and now am nearly a straight A student. No extra studying just do your homework and paying attention will get most of them B’s and A’s. I was very much liked by the teachers and administration for my extra time and effort.
    But I am just lazy communist who barely graduated hs that wants the state to give me everything. That is why I have been working since 13 years and am determined not go into debt for my higher education. Coach at public schools to try and help kids to study and be better prepared. Science docent, parent, river monitor, board member of non profits, and so on. All because I just want the state to give me everything.

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  16. fish Avatar
    fish

    Scott,
    I really don’t know why you bother…Ben is suffering from “starry eyed grad student” syndrome.
    Mr. Emery is completely impervious to reason, logic, lacks understanding of human nature and most importantly, appears to have absolutely no real grasp of history. He can quote it, can link to it but doesn’t really understand it. His last post refers to the “beauty” of his position followed by the admission that it his never been implemented on a large scale. Presumably Mr. Emerys congressional aspirations will be his attempt to bring his “beautiful position” to the US on the scale to which he alludes.
    I will give Ben the benefit of the doubt and give him credit for meaning well.
    And hey…I think he has inadvertently penned a catchy line for his next congressional run….. VOTE EMERY in 2014 – “I am advocate democracy”

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  17. fish Avatar
    fish

    But I am just lazy communist who barely graduated hs that wants the state to give me everything. That is why I have been working since 13 years and am determined not go into debt for my higher education. Coach at public schools to try and help kids to study and be better prepared. Science docent, parent, river monitor, board member of non profits, and so on. All because I just want the state to give me everything.
    See Ben…you really are an “Enemy of the People”.

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  18. George Rebane Avatar

    re BenE’s 842pm – As far as sovereign nation-states are concernted, there have been no absolutes on either side of the political spectrum from total state control to anarchy. However, we have experimented with close approximations of total state control (and are still doing it in places like North Korea). The verdict is clear, more state control leads to more misery and death. Less state control has led to liberty and undreamt levels of general wealth and quality of life. That’s why no one crawled under the Iron Curtain going east, or today is seeking to sneak into North Korea or swim south from Florida.
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2013/02/ideologies-and-governance-a-structured-look.html
    Yet here we have legions of the dismally ignorant who are doing everything they can to promote ‘a government that can give you everything you need, which is also one that can take everything you own’ (T. Jefferson).

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  19. Gregory Avatar

    “What % of careers actually use algebra? Those adult nursing students took algebra a decade or more ago and have never had a practical use for it. In my case it had been 24 years since I used algebra in a class setting. So I audited a algebra class at Sierra so I could test out of the that level. I would have received an A in the class and will tell you I had virtually zero retention of the useless subject up until that point.” -Ben
    Wow… Algebra is a “useless subject”? 100% of the “STEM” jobs do use symbolic algebra, Ben, and so do many others. A gift to humanity made by 13th century arabs.

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  20. fish Avatar
    fish

    George,
    I clicked the February link and noted towards the bottom of the comment thread that while Ben was very busy that day he promised to return and learn you up on the “real” human rights…like from the UN yo!
    Was just curious to know how that worked out?

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  21. Gregory Avatar

    ” ‘a government that can give you everything you need, which is also one that can take everything you own’ (T. Jefferson).”
    Sorry, George, but that wasn’t Jefferson, though it does have a Jeffersonian ring to it. The earliest politician to use it was apparently Gerald Ford in the mid ’50’s but he didn’t claim authorship.
    http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/government-big-enough-to-give-you-everything-you-wantquotation

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  22. fish Avatar
    fish

    My recollection of this quote was that it was attributed to Barry Goldwater. Some double checking casts doubt on that though….I see it attributed to everyone from Albert Jay Nock to as mentioned previously…Gerald Ford.

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  23. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    No Ben – the ONE time it was tried it was failed (and is being failed) because the folks in power started subverting the law. Not enough citizens wanted to follow the law and they liked to elect men that told them the Constitution needed help and needed to be re-interpreted to better fit the modern needs of society. What I advocate does not fail, the people fail the idea. Ultimately folks like to blame others and shirk their responsibility in life. And there are plenty of politicians to whisper in their ear what they want to hear. All of the warnings the founding fathers sounded were ignored and have now come true. The people discovered they could vote themselves gifts from thin air and so it goes. What do you offer? “Let me take from others and give to whom I favor”. And of course, the folks in charge of deciding who gets what always give themselves even more first. It’s been tried a lot and you might want to brush up on history to see what horrors follow.
    The Wright brothers could offer no example of any successful flight of the type they were attempting. Yet they succeeded by pressing forward with what was a correct program. The left proceeds forward with what has been proven to be a disaster EVERY time it’s tried.

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  24. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Think that quote should be attributed to William Henry Harrison, the 9th President of the United States, but he did not stick around long enough for us to know for sure.
    Fish, don’t call Brother Ben “The Enemy of the People.” He did not take it too well.
    http://www.theunion.com/news/crime/9305075-113/reported-caller-block-street

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  25. fish Avatar
    fish

    Ah Bill….satire like genius is never appreciated in its time.

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  26. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    “The beauty about my position it has never truly been done a large scales but where it is done the best have the highest satisfaction from its citizens.”
    Brother Ben. It did not work out too well for the Pilgrims when they first tried in on a small scale. Neither in Red China when they tried it on a large scale. Even the little communes that sprung up around Gaberville in the late 60’s failed to provide the highest satisfaction to their own nature lovers.
    What you advocate cannot be tried in this country nor should it be. You would have to shed the Constitution and assume human nature is not what human nature is. You know what the say about assume? Makes an ass out of u and me.
    Guess we all should be like the penguins and just get along and all dive off the ice berg in orderly harmonious fashion. Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, Saddam’s head rolled across the gallows floor, Qaddafi got captured and corn holed, Senator Patty Murray lavished praise on Osama for opening child care centers and everything would be grand IF only people would behave as you wanted them too. People are so dumb and stubborn. They just can’t recognize your genius I suppose.
    If you want to see a workers’ paradise, just look at ants. They have no leader, each just does their tasks in hurried fashion and all is well. No greed, no egos, just busy doing their jobs for the common good. Just too instincts: Fight or flee. Life is good, simple, harmonious, and a true workers’ Hogs Heaven. A man works from sun up to sundown, but a soldier ant’s job is never done. No big dreams either, no stepping out of line.

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  27. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    A Future of Failure? Heck yes!! We all suffer from the latest disease and debilitating disability. There is no cure for Income Inequality.
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/12/12/secret-out-suffer-from-income-inequality/?intcmp=HPBucket

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  28. George Rebane Avatar

    gregory 153pm – Thanks Greg for the correction. I must have lifted it from one of those erroneous attributions. Fortunately its truth value is not diminished by the uncertainty of its authorship.

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  29. Ben Emery Avatar

    Boys,
    Your blindness to what has worked vs what hasn’t worked is astounding. The history lesson that is needed is by you guys not me. The time when workers achieved the most representation, which resulted in just compensation is when the US middle class exploded. As labor’s representation has diminished so has wages and the middle class.
    Connecting dots doesn’t seem to be a strong suit over here in fascist/ corporatist blog.

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  30. fish Avatar
    fish

    Connecting dots doesn’t seem to be a strong suit over here in fascist/corporatist blog.
    God …..please tell me you were wearing your Che Guevara T-shirt when you typed that thought……!

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  31. Russ Steele Avatar

    Ben Emory @ 07:06
    We have connected the dot for you, and you refuse to accept reality, preferring your own communist view of reality.

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  32. Gregory Avatar

    Fascism is a form of radical authoritarianism, and corporatism is the organization of a society into industrial and professional corporations serving as organs of political representation and exercising control over persons and activities within their jurisdiction.
    Neither of those labels fit anyone here, Ben. Your namecalling is false and defamatory. To be fascist one has to be more than just against the Ben Emery view of just government, to be corporatist one has to be more than disbelieving of the Ben Emery view of corporations as evil enemies of labor.

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  33. Ben Emery Avatar

    Your ideological policies have been in place since the Reagan Revolution and since that time we have seen the greatest debt machine ever created both in private and public sectors. Here is the thing, Obama administration and current third way Democratic leadership subscribes way more towards Reaganomics than it does towards New Deal policies.
    Wages = Demand = Jobs
    So raise wages for the masses will create a strong demand, which in turn will create jobs to meet that demand. The hole in this circle is our anti American labor trade agreements. The jobs it creates is in human right violating oppressive nations that our A-moral to Immoral based corporations have no problem dealing.
    From 45′ to 80′ both private and public debt dropped to their lows
    Savings for average income Americans doubled in that time frame. Since 80′ savings has gone in the red on average American (Households roughly $50k annually)
    80′ to 12′ private debt has reached levels higher that caused crash 29’and the following years including WWII of public debt.
    Public debt can be hurtful but private debt destroys economies.

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  34. fish Avatar
    fish

    Whatever Ben….I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.

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  35. Russ Steele Avatar

    George,
    The link in this post is broken, I get a 404 message saying the article has been removed.
    Russ

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  36. Ben Emery Avatar

    Yes, I consider paying full time workers poverty wages evil enemies of labor.
    Number one employer in America
    Profit – $17 billion
    CEO Compensation- more in one hour than full time sales associate makes in an entire year.
    Sales Associate- encouraged and helped to find government assistance by corporation
    Wal-Mart’s Employee Food Drive Reveals What’s Wrong With America
    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/walmart-employee-food-drive-2013-11#ixzz2nNItoHix
    Why Walmart Loves Welfare
    http://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/press/caprogressreport_mar12.shtml

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  37. Gregory Avatar

    Ben, an accepted abbreviation of the year 1929 is ’29, not 29′.
    29′ means twenty nine feet.
    To everyone else, read Ben’s 8:40 with feet everywhere a ‘ follows a number; does it make less or more sense that way?

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  38. George Rebane Avatar

    Administrivia – thanks to Russ’ 854am that points out the problem with the report’s link in my post. I have changed it. You should have no problem downloading the report. Here is the link repeated.
    http://www.issuelab.org/resource/future_of_failure_the_flow_of_technology_talent_into_government_and_civil_societya_report_a

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  39. Ben Emery Avatar

    If you want to really get down to it the abbreviation ‘ with a year is not really acceptable in any case. So I don’t give a shit about it on a blog. I get you are trying to deligitimize my opinions by pointing this stuff out but if I really wanted to I could go through and pick apart mistakes all day long on comments and posts on every blog or social media. It is typed conversation.
    What it really shows is that you cannot control yourself. You challenged Jeff Pelline on his use of the word “choir”, you have some mental issues going on that seems apparent to many but yourself. You need to get that in check or maybe you just need to get a life.
    http://sierrafoothillsreport.com/2013/11/13/harvard-glee-club-and-later-only-steinway-two-keyboard-piano-coming-to-gv/
    For the record my description of this blog as fascist, corporatist, and authoritarian is spot on. I could just call it a right wing or pro Republican Party but that really doesn’t do the extreme positions found here justice.

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  40. Ben Emery Avatar

    Greg,
    Tell my how the largest employer in the United States paying their average full time sales associates poverty wages along with encouraging them to use public assistance while corporation makes $17 billion isn’t evil?

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  41. fish Avatar
    fish

    For the record my description of this blog as fascist, corporatist, and authoritarian is spot on.
    Uttered with painful naivete of the “starry eyed graduate student” I referenced earlier. You might want to toddle off to Daily Kos or Huff Po where your opinions will find a more welcome reception.

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  42. Gregory Avatar

    People with more musical knowledge than either Ben Emery or Jeff Pelline will understand the differences in meaning of choir, chorus and Glee Club, or that the Harvard University Choir, established 1834, really is older than the Harvard Glee Club, established 1858.
    Let’s have a count of hands… how many think the Harvard Glee Club is the oldest collegiate choir in the US? Ben, you are allowed the use of a calculator for this.
    Unfortunately, Pelline’s training is in winning arguments, not making good ones. His basic tactic at the link Ben provided was blocking most of what I wrote.

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  43. Gregory Avatar

    Evil:
    profound immorality, wickedness, and depravity, esp. when regarded as a supernatural force.
    Nope, WalMart is not evil. I wouldn’t argue the WalMart CEO is worth that money and I’d avoid buying their stock.
    Ben, you have every right not to shop at WalMart and avoid those low, low prices. They pay people what they say they’ll pay them when they apply for the job, but if your family situation is such that you can’t stay off welfare on a bottom level job at WalMart, either work somewhere else or work like mad to get promoted up from the WalMart job you started in.

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  44. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    Congratulations right wing megaphones. It has taken since Ron Reagan, but you have finally succeeded. A new Field poll has found that for the first time more Californians think labor unions are bad than don’t. I am sure the big box stores and fast food giants are grateful because now they can continue to pay poverty level wages without fear of strikes and with public support. It is amazing how a lie told often enough becomes the truth. The wealth inequality issue has coincidentally (or not) become greater during the same time period that labor unions have been on the run. So be happy all of you shills for the billionaires, you have won and your fellow American workers have lost. The work force thanks you for further destroying the American way of life by nullifying the power of collective bargaining and replacing it with the semi-servitude of low level wages. As we all can see and hear on these pages, public education is next on the billionaire’s list of things to destroy just like they decimated the Mom and Pop businesses and replaced them WalMart. I hope your children enjoy the lower standard of living your political ideology forces upon them, or maybe the excellent training you have given them (they obviously didn’t learn it in school) will enable them to live a “comfortable” life at their department manager job at the big box store living in their rented apartment.

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  45. fish Avatar
    fish

    I hope your children enjoy the lower standard of living your political ideology forces upon them, or maybe the excellent training you have given them (they obviously didn’t learn it in school) will enable them to live a “comfortable” life at their department manager job at the big box store living in their rented apartment.
    My children will likely live at a lower standard of living than I have been able to enjoy. They’ll be saddled with multi-trillions in governmental debt foisted upon them by morons like you and Ben Emery. Sleep well asshole!

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  46. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Well if JoeK is right that the public majority does not support unions, then there is hope. He would rather put off the poverty on his own kids and grandkids than to face to tough asks of debt an deficit today. But, he lives only for himself, the selfish bastard. The tax burdens he is placing on future Americans and Californians will truly make them slaves. Good GOD Koyote, do you know how selfish you really are?

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  47. Gregory Avatar

    I expect my kid will do as well or better than I, and yes, it did take sacrifices on my part.
    “Koyote”, I think the BART strike and public employee union intransigence in general has helped California’s attitude adjustment along. Unions made sense when it was ‘robber barons’ screwing workers, but they’ve evolved all too often to being thugs holding citizens hostage with the help of the politicians the public employee unions campaign for. In short, it’s the public employee union shenanigans that are driving down public opinion, not the “shills for the billionares”.
    It wasn’t so long ago that Wisconsin’s capitol looked a lot like Athens during Greece’s public employee union tantrums. Now Walker is riding high in the saddle.
    “If you want to really get down to it the abbreviation ‘ with a year is not really acceptable in any case.” -Ben
    Sure it is. See you in Nov ’14; Nov ’16 should be even more interesting.

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  48. Ben Emery Avatar

    So lets just lay it out here.
    In general you guys are fine with
    -US full time workers to earn less than a living wage
    -US workers to have no unions to improve their conditions
    -US workers not to have benefits such as full coverage health insurance
    -US workers to compete with undeveloped labor wages/ conditions and no environmental regulations
    -US population in poverty to have no or very limited government assistance programs
    -US corporations to have no or very limited taxes
    -US wealthy to have no or very limited income taxes
    -US industries to have no or very limited regulations
    -US military spending to continue on its current path
    -US government spying on Americans (just not tea party)
    -US habeas corpus and civil liberties are selectively given
    -US seniors, widowed, or disable not to have Social Security Insurance benefits
    -US corporations to use the labor of people who are oppressed
    The list can go on but we get the point.

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  49. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    my oh my.. this one ruffled some feathers didn’t it. “morons like you, asshole, selfish bastard”. I must be hitting too close to home to cause such cognitive dissonance. When the only retort is name calling it means I am right and you have no real answer for the issues I have raised. Thanks for proving my point about the megaphones. What you are missing in your quest to denigrate all things public is that by hurting the bargaining power of public employees you are also hurting the bargaining power of all employees which plays right into the hands of the billionaires. Good job boys for looking at the small picture and applying it to the large. If you are so worried about deficits (which many economists dismiss and austerity has made worse by lowering tax revenues — the unemployed don’t pay taxes but collect from government instead) try cutting the budgets of the military or cutting corporate subsidies, or making oil companies actually pay for the oil they suck out of public lands and the deficits would probably disappear without cutting the salaries and benefits of public employees, which in turn would bolster the salaries in the private sector as well.
    “‘robber barons’ screwing workers” how is it any different now? Now it’s big box and fast food screwing workers.

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