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George Rebane

[This is the linked transcript of my regular KVMR commentary broadcast on 6 December 2013.]

Developed nations around the world are up to their ears in unmanageable debt while facing demographic tsunamis of workers getting ready to retire with un- or underfunded pensions.  In response, more people in governments and finance worldwide are beginning to eye wealth taxes as the preferred attempt toward a solution.  Never mind that in the end the numbers will not add up, it’s the populist politics in the interim that matter.  So what’s new?


First let’s recognize a huge cognitive disconnect that the hoi polloi are not supposed to notice.  On the one hand, progressives have always held that tax rates don’t affect economic behavior, and on the other, global financial institutions like the International Monetary Fund are now calculating “revenue maximizing top income tax rates” for various countries.  I hope everyone listening understands that the Laffer Curve is not only alive and well, but now also a much used policy tool.

Laffer Curve?  Economist Art Laffer told us years ago that government revenues don’t always increase as tax rates are raised on their citizens’ income.  In response, the tax and spenders immediately joined voices to denounce such nonsense, all the while being repeatedly surprised by falling revenues as they continued to raise taxes.  Today smidgeons of sanity are quietly returning with the realization that the more you confiscate from a person’s last earned dollar, the less he’s willing to risk and work to earn it.  To most muddled minds this common sense lies somewhere between rank heresy and rocket science.  (more here)

In any event, the mavens at IMF have estimated that for most nations, the top revenues on their Laffer Curve come at about 60% marginal tax rate.  And for the US, peak revenues can be had from up to a top rate of 71%.  But a major disconnect still exists with even this quiet resuscitation of Art Laffer’s teaching.  The liberal mind fundamentally believes in stasism – social policies affect only things their planners anticipate, and all other aspects of society will remain static and continue as before because such policies never have ripple effects.  Even the IMF admits that its “revenue maximizing approach takes no account of the well-being of top earners (or their businesses).”

Since no one knows how to grow economies at rates sufficient to reduce debt to sustainable levels, sky high taxes are the acknowledged third way of attempting to solve the world’s sovereign debt problems.  Everyone admits that the other two – repudiating debt or hyper-inflating it away – are not such good solutions.  But then, given Dr Laffer’s diminishing revenues from higher taxes, the third way will not quite solve the problem either.  What to do?

Well, there is always one more way to go, as taught by acknowledged educators like Willie Sutton, and it works for both bank robbers and governments.  All you need is guns.  Never mind taxing what they are currently earning, go straight for what they already own.  Tax their assets.  More and more governments, along with leftwing think tanks like the New America Foundation, are adding what they call a ‘one-off tax on private wealth’ to their bag of revenue ratcheting tricks.  Anyone want to bet that, once hooked, any such one-off tax will not be repeated by heavily indebted governments?

A final way to make retirement more equitable for US retirees is to simply tax the bejeezus out of the asset pools and generated income that have accrued to those greedy old codgers who were able to assemble a comfortable nest egg during their working lives.  Why should they live high off the hog in their sunset years when others are having to skimp by on Social Security?

Let’s instead come up with Social Security B, a supplemental retirement income to help “close the gap” for those who qualify.   Of course, we now know where the funds will come from to serve this new piece of social justice.  And when you start confiscating people’s assets, we all know that everything else in the world will stay the same and muddle on as before.

My name is Rebane, and I also expand on this and related themes on NCTV and georgerebane.com where the transcript of this commentary is posted with relevant links, and where such issues are debated extensively.  However my views are not necessarily shared by KVMR.  Thank you for listening.

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70 responses to “The Liberal Mind – Wealth Transfer on Steroids”

  1. fish Avatar
    fish

    1. If wages had kept pace with productivity gains, the minimum wage would be over $16 an hour.
    Corporate profits have soared. Workers are producing more, but they’re not sharing in the rewards.

    Without out how much of these non-differentiated “gains” can be attributed to the actual workers in question this point is nonsensical. I see no reason why a burger flipper should make 15$ dollars per hour because Amazon.com has tripled the through put at its ordering and distribution centers.
    2. The average fast food worker makes $8.69 an hour.
    Many jobs pay at or near the minimum wage, which is $7.25 per hour. And an estimated 87 percent of fast food workers receive no health benefits.

    Yes they do….so what?! They are by definition minimum wage jobs…show up with a pulse, take the customers order, don’t spit in the food….so simple even Ben Emery could do it. You’re not supposed to pay a mortgage or raise a family on these jobs.
    3. The CEO of McDonald’s Corporation makes $13.8 million per year.
    That’s a 237 percent pay increase over last year, when he was paid a “mere” $4.1 million. Presumably health benefits are also included.

    Presumably….again who cares…it’s not your money Ben, and it’s not your call what the CEO of McDonalds takes home in salary and benefits. Become majority shareholder and get back to me.
    4. McDonald’s cost the American taxpayer an estimated $1.2 billion in public assistance per year.
    In other words, taxpayer money is subsidizing this large corporation’s profits – at the expense of American workers.

    You really should be specific about what these subsidies consist of but you are correct, no business should receive government largesse.
    5. McDonald’s made $1.5 billion in profits last quarter.
    That’s up 5 percent from the previous year.

    Oooh…you cracked the code Ben….this is why the CEO made more money this tear! First rate sleuthing!
    6. The 10 largest fast food companies cost taxpayers an estimated $3.9 billion in government health assistance and $1.04 billion in food assistance.
    Republicans are demanding cuts to government health and food programs. With all the talk of deficit reduction, it’s surprising that no one has pointed out that a great way to lower expenditures would be by ending these backdoor subsidies for highly profitable corporations.

    They did not. If these employees are eligible for “health assistance” and “food programs” as you put it, they are eligible whether they are employed or not. I’m surprised at the great “civil libertarian” Ben Emery trying to stick it the the little man.
    7. These 10 companies earned $7.4 billion in profits last year.
    They also paid out $7.7 billion in dividends. Meanwhile …

    Good for them! They are doing what they’re charter requires, provide a service, return dividends as the shareholder agreements detail, and comply with the laws of the jurisdiction in which they operate.
    You’re not accusing them of breaking the law are you Ben?
    8. Fast food workers are more than twice as likely to be on public assistance.
    25 percent of American workers receive some form of public assistance – which is a disturbing figure itself. For fast food workers that figure was 52 percent.
    And it’s not just part-time work that’s causing the problem. More than half of full-time fast food workers receive some form of public assistance.

    Why do you want to hurt these people by taking their assistance Ben…..one could be forgiven for thinking that you are a heartless monster.
    9. Most of the workers who would be affected by this wage change are adults.
    We also hear that it’s not necessary to raise the minimum wage, especially for fast food workers, because most of them are “kids” working a few hours each week for pocket money. Think of this as the “malt shoppe” argument.
    But it’s not true. Most low-wage workers are adults. Nationally, adults make up 88 percent of the workers who would receive a raise if the minimum wage were increased to $10.10 per hour. In locales as distinct as New York State and Albuquerque, New Mexico, that figure rises to 92 percent.

    Nationally, adults make up 88 percent of the workers who would receive a raise if the minimum wage were increased to $10.10 per hour.
    Nationally, adults make up 88 percent of the workers who are going to find themselves unemployed as these businesses find way to automate and shed employees!
    10. Over 7 million children live in minimum-wage households.
    And many of these workers are parents. Seven million children – nearly one American child in ten – feels the effects of low wages.

    This is truly a shame but what would you have the taxpayer do about it? Businesses will make adjustments…they’ll automate, they’ll go to very short week hourly schedules so the parents of these children are forced to look elsewhere. You can’t win the argument using emotional pleas Ben!
    11. This strike is targeting large employers.
    Sixty-six percent of low-wage workers are employed by organizations with 100 employees or more. Thursday’s strikers aren’t targeting mom-and-pop operations. They’re striking against some of America’s largest corporations.
    How large? McDonald’s employs 707,850 people. Yum! Brands (better known as Pizza Hut, Taco Bell and KFC) employs 379,449 people. Altogether these 10 companies employ 2,251,956 people.
    The workforce for these ten companies is greater than the populations of Nebraska, West Virginia, Idaho, Hawaii, Maine, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Montana, Delaware, South Dakota, Alaska, North Dakota, Vermont and Wyoming, states which hold 28 seats in the United States Senate. Shouldn’t these fast food workers have a voice of some kind too?

    The future of this type of work is vastly increased automation both at the counter and in the kitchen. Applebees (yuck!) is bringing out tablet based ordering at test locations it was announced this week. If this works they will likely go chain wide. Their competitors will also be forced to investigate this to maintain competitive.
    12. There’s probably a rally near you.
    There’s an easy-to-use website to help you find one. There’s also an online workers’ strike kit, for fast food workers who want to take action.
    (Source: Low Pay Is Not OK)

    So far they haven’t been particularly effective Ben…..in the long run your “help” is likely to hurt these people greatly!

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  2. fish Avatar
    fish

    So until you pay back the @$200,000 you owe the bank for YOUR financial losses on your investment property you need a timeout in the corner. Until that happens you’ll be much like the smoke from my neighbors leaf burning pile – a irritant for the short term, but nothing to concern anyone about!
    So much stupid! So little time!

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  3. Gerry Fedor Avatar
    Gerry Fedor

    Speaking stupid Fish, how about copying something recent as the minimum wage you pro-port was changed many moons ago from the really old data you posted.
    It’s a brave new world we live in so try to understand that fact! (I bet we could be playing the “which way do we go, which way do we go, which way do we go” sound track right about now).
    I guess it’s OK for everyone to cost our government @$200K in your book? While the responsible party, who should sell his truck and home to pay back this money, tells everyone about how we’re all lying (until we actually provide the data) that shows the truth, then the tune changes…. LOL!!!
    I bet he’d be screaming about how those liberals should sell their assets to “be responsible” so we’re all waiting for hime to MAN UP and be responsible.
    Until this happens this discussion seems to be null and void as there is no reason for all of you guys to be crying! In fact you’ll all be high fiving each other over how much money you screwed the country out of while you cry about funding Obamacare…..
    Is that it? It’s funny the “conservative” mind works isn’t it? If it’s good for me than FU to everyone else……

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  4. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    fish I love being in his head!

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  5. fish Avatar
    fish

    Speaking stupid Fish, how about copying something recent as the minimum wage you pro-port was changed many moons ago from the really old data you posted.
    It’s a brave new world we live in so try to understand that fact! (I bet we could be playing the “which way do we go, which way do we go, which way do we go” sound track right about now).
    I guess it’s OK for everyone to cost our government @$200K in your book? While the responsible party, who should sell his truck and home to pay back this money, tells everyone about how we’re all lying (until we actually provide the data) that shows the truth, then the tune changes…. LOL!!!
    I bet he’d be screaming about how those liberals should sell their assets to “be responsible” so we’re all waiting for hime to MAN UP and be responsible.
    Until this happens this discussion seems to be null and void as there is no reason for all of you guys to be crying! In fact you’ll all be high fiving each other over how much money you screwed the country out of while you cry about funding Obamacare…..
    Is that it? It’s funny the “conservative” mind works isn’t it? If it’s good for me than FU to everyone else……

    This has to be a troll……really Gerry c’mon….not even Keachie was this loopy!

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  6. Gerry Fedor Avatar
    Gerry Fedor

    I have to laugh at the Fish and Wise & Just perspective as if anyone in the liberal crowd was doing what our little Toddy does, you’d all be up in arms and have conniption fits, but you’re all so comfortable condoning this, so here looking at you through that truly unique “conservative perspective” here in Nevada County!

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  7. Gerry Fedor Avatar
    Gerry Fedor

    Gee I made Toddy’s little blog!
    Bhahahahahahah!
    What a HONOR! You want to talk about getting into someone’s head?
    When’s the house going on the market?

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  8. fish Avatar
    fish

    I have to laugh at the Fish and Wise & Just perspective as if anyone in the liberal crowd was doing what our little Toddy does, you’d all be up in arms and have conniption fits, but you’re all so comfortable condoning this, so here looking at you through that truly unique “conservative perspective” here in Nevada County!
    Nope…..if Gerry Fedor, valiant defender of banks and apparently closeted 1%er lost his house under the terms of a standard loan contract I would be more than happy to defend him on that issue as well!
    I’d also be happy to kick a few bucks into a fund to help Gerry address his unhealthy obsession with Mr. Juvinall…..it’s most unseemly.

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  9. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    I think he has a crush on me. Too funny. But he is a sock puppet anyway. I am his fantasy! I am enjoying being in his head though, he just can’t seem to shake me out.

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  10. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    fish, I think Gerry Fedor is a 1% and a lover of big banks. He sure is defending them.

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  11. Gerry Fedor Avatar
    Gerry Fedor

    Nope just a lover of our freedom and keeping my money out of the government (and in your case – peoples hands that do not deserve to be using my money for their mistakes!)!
    Todd you sure seem to have a crust on me as I now have “a little posting” in that rag you call a blog (and Gee, I never knew it existed – pitty me!!! LOL!!!).
    I think I’ll print it and use it as my Christmas card this year!
    It’s amazing that Todd who cried about the problem TARP program was actually part of it!
    Fish, I knew you would support our little hypocrite…… Now we make a a Fishocrite too! LOL!!!
    Why don’t you send that donation to the NC Foodbank as they could use the money better than Tood and I certainly don’t need it!

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  12. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    I just lover the fact you can’t get me out of your head. Too funny.

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  13. George Rebane Avatar

    Administrivia – Please don’t copy into your own comment the entire or major part of comments to which you wish to respond. Either use the name and date/time stamp as referents, or paste the referenced comment’s URL into your own comment. Thank you.

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  14. Gerry Fedor Avatar
    Gerry Fedor

    It’s rather “interesting” Todd that you seem to think that I really give a crapola about you….
    I find it rather silly that you want to try to know everything about me to the point that you’ve gone through the voter roles, gone thru the property records, and most recently you managed to post a blog about me on your rag, yep you keep telling everyone that your getting into my head?
    Then you say I must be part of the 1% (I’m aways from that but I’m trying) and when people like you keep squandering my money it doesn’t help, especially when you complain about it and tell others how bad they are for doing exactly what you do!
    I showed your recent rants/blog to my wife and she laughed and said “obviously Todd needs help, and the mental health program in Nevada County obviously needs some serious funding……”
    I guess she knows your former fiancee as your a legend in your own mind! LOL!!!

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  15. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Gerry Fedor, I am truly inside your head. You cannot leave it alone. Too funny. Yes U did a blog post because you slander me and I simply would like to know who you are. Well, you are either the fellow arrested for theft or a “sock puppet”. Tell us who you are and then maybe I will allow you to remove me from inside your head. Too funny.

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  16. George Rebane Avatar

    Gentlemen – I hereby declare the Juvinall-Fedor tete-a-tete boring beyond tears, and therefore at an end. As the participants wish, it may be continued on some other website more receptive to such exchanges. A word to the wise.

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  17. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    TARP? Trouble Assets? Well, the gobernment made some money on AGI and the Big Banks and all those who wished to get out from under the iron fist of Big Brother. All they wanted for Christmas was to pay off Uncle Barry and lock the door behind him. Except one:
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-exits-gm-stake-10-005829202.html
    Most all of the Stimulus money went to States so they could keep teachers, state workers, and state budgets afloat, much of which went to Medicaid payments. Sure, Nevada City got a 6 hour paving job free and clear, or was it a 2 hour job? 80% of the Stimuli money thrown down the rat hole on Fisker and Solyndra and Solar Panel Clunkers for Cash went to Democrat political donors. That is what I call wealth transfer on steroids.
    I am still waiting for the 2009 Spring Recovery Tour, or was that scheduled for 2010 with Joe Biden leading the celebrations. Must be the cold cause I get these brain freezes just thinking about it.

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  18. Gerry Fedor Avatar
    Gerry Fedor

    Thank you George!
    I too found some of the Stimulus a bit confusing, but I find a new bill that was brought on by the Koch brothers even more disturbing as this bill now places big tariff on any solar systems when they are placed within 3 feet of the roof line because these system “interfere” with fire fighters ability to fight a fire? I guess they don’t know that roofs have two sides and even fire fighters laughed when this was said the them….
    It also says that small solar providers don’t pay for the upkeep in the cost of transmission, but almost ever study has shown that 98% of the electricity produced (and sent back to the systems of a grid tied system) is used by your neighbors within a 3 mile radius, so if anything it lowers the wear on the transmission system.
    It’s interesting how the Koch Brothers (who make much of their money from the generation of carbon based electricity) want the solar industry to fail and will spend lots of money to make sure this happens.

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  19. Ian Random Avatar

    Walmart CEO pay $20,000,000. Number of Employees 7,500. If you fire him, you get $2,667 extra a year per employee. Walmart full time is about 30 hours a week, so you get abut $1.7/hour raise, plus $8.87/hour gets $10.57/hour.
    http://makingchangeatwalmart.org/factsheet/walmart-watch-fact-sheets/fact-sheet-wages/

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  20. Gregory Avatar

    Checking the wiki, Walmart has more like 2.1 million employees not 7500, so if you assume a $20mill CEO pay (that wasn’t in the linked page), going without a paid CEO gives every employee a tidy little Christmas bonus of nine dollars and fifty-two cents and a rudderless company that will probably lose marketshare and begin to shed employees.
    Really, “Ian”, this Walmart hatred isn’t getting you anywhere. I generally avoid Walmart; you can, too.
    And for “Gerald Fedor”, for solar and wind generation to feed into the grid, there has to be conventional generation capacity held in reserve and spinning, ready to switch in with a fraction of a second warning in order to keep the grid from failing. That also isn’t cheap to build or maintain.
    Merry Christmas.

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