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George Rebane

[This is the linked transcript of my regular KVMR commentary broadcast on 6 December 2013.]

Developed nations around the world are up to their ears in unmanageable debt while facing demographic tsunamis of workers getting ready to retire with un- or underfunded pensions.  In response, more people in governments and finance worldwide are beginning to eye wealth taxes as the preferred attempt toward a solution.  Never mind that in the end the numbers will not add up, it’s the populist politics in the interim that matter.  So what’s new?


First let’s recognize a huge cognitive disconnect that the hoi polloi are not supposed to notice.  On the one hand, progressives have always held that tax rates don’t affect economic behavior, and on the other, global financial institutions like the International Monetary Fund are now calculating “revenue maximizing top income tax rates” for various countries.  I hope everyone listening understands that the Laffer Curve is not only alive and well, but now also a much used policy tool.

Laffer Curve?  Economist Art Laffer told us years ago that government revenues don’t always increase as tax rates are raised on their citizens’ income.  In response, the tax and spenders immediately joined voices to denounce such nonsense, all the while being repeatedly surprised by falling revenues as they continued to raise taxes.  Today smidgeons of sanity are quietly returning with the realization that the more you confiscate from a person’s last earned dollar, the less he’s willing to risk and work to earn it.  To most muddled minds this common sense lies somewhere between rank heresy and rocket science.  (more here)

In any event, the mavens at IMF have estimated that for most nations, the top revenues on their Laffer Curve come at about 60% marginal tax rate.  And for the US, peak revenues can be had from up to a top rate of 71%.  But a major disconnect still exists with even this quiet resuscitation of Art Laffer’s teaching.  The liberal mind fundamentally believes in stasism – social policies affect only things their planners anticipate, and all other aspects of society will remain static and continue as before because such policies never have ripple effects.  Even the IMF admits that its “revenue maximizing approach takes no account of the well-being of top earners (or their businesses).”

Since no one knows how to grow economies at rates sufficient to reduce debt to sustainable levels, sky high taxes are the acknowledged third way of attempting to solve the world’s sovereign debt problems.  Everyone admits that the other two – repudiating debt or hyper-inflating it away – are not such good solutions.  But then, given Dr Laffer’s diminishing revenues from higher taxes, the third way will not quite solve the problem either.  What to do?

Well, there is always one more way to go, as taught by acknowledged educators like Willie Sutton, and it works for both bank robbers and governments.  All you need is guns.  Never mind taxing what they are currently earning, go straight for what they already own.  Tax their assets.  More and more governments, along with leftwing think tanks like the New America Foundation, are adding what they call a ‘one-off tax on private wealth’ to their bag of revenue ratcheting tricks.  Anyone want to bet that, once hooked, any such one-off tax will not be repeated by heavily indebted governments?

A final way to make retirement more equitable for US retirees is to simply tax the bejeezus out of the asset pools and generated income that have accrued to those greedy old codgers who were able to assemble a comfortable nest egg during their working lives.  Why should they live high off the hog in their sunset years when others are having to skimp by on Social Security?

Let’s instead come up with Social Security B, a supplemental retirement income to help “close the gap” for those who qualify.   Of course, we now know where the funds will come from to serve this new piece of social justice.  And when you start confiscating people’s assets, we all know that everything else in the world will stay the same and muddle on as before.

My name is Rebane, and I also expand on this and related themes on NCTV and georgerebane.com where the transcript of this commentary is posted with relevant links, and where such issues are debated extensively.  However my views are not necessarily shared by KVMR.  Thank you for listening.

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70 responses to “The Liberal Mind – Wealth Transfer on Steroids”

  1. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    The numbers don’t lie. May not make sense, but they don’t lie when laid out in black in white. Two things happened in my family this week.
    My bro-in-law is a self employed man who works exclusively on custom houses. From movie stars to rock stars to sports stars like Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Been doing it for years. Put 5 kids through college, 4 of them thru Cal. Anyway, they are thinking about retirement. His accountant, his financial adviser, and his tax attorney told my sis and her husband that they simply cannot afford to retire in CA. He was told to quit his business and take a job paying no more than 12 bucks/hour starting today. He should last 6 years on their nest egg max, but will be broke in less than 7 years if he keeps working for himself AND living in CA. The figures were laid out in black and white considering his tax burden, insurances, and all. They are looking around at other states to retire as we speak. The figures don’t lie.
    Second, my brother the chemist is looking to move. He just retired from running the labs for various hospitals. Has a nice home on the cliffs overlooking the ocean in the Santa Cruz area. He too has figured out he cannot afford to retire in CA. He is going back to work part time (10 months a year) while he sells his house and finds a state like Washington State (still expensive, yet no state income tax) where they tax pensions and people over 65 at a greatly reduced rate if at all. Can’t afford to stay in the Golden State and pay property taxes and be taxed to death on pensions and investments. Sad but true.
    A good financial planner and a good tax attorney are worth their weight in gold. Yep, raise taxes to generate revenues for our lords and masters.

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  2. Ben Emery Avatar

    ” I hope everyone listening understands that the Laffer Curve is not only alive and well, but now also a much used policy tool.”
    Maybe that has to do with the increase of US and global inequality widening every day.
    Why is it you cannot see or refuse to look at executive compensation and corporate profits?
    My favorite punching bag Walmart. CEO makes $16,826.92 an hour. In a single hour the CEO will make more than the average full time Walmart sale associate makes in an entire year.
    In 2012 Walmart made $16 billion in profits but cannot pay its workers more, why?
    US corporations are making record profits, Dow Jones record highs, manufacturing and financial sector flipped flopped on the percentage of US economy since 1980. Inequality in the US is at levels last seen in 1927.
    US income inequality at record high
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24039202

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  3. Ben Emery Avatar

    Just in case you forgot about Walmart ripping off workers in Cambodia who make $61 a month while the company makes $16 billion. I want to say the garment worker weekly hours are either 60 or 72 hours. They withheld $260,000 of the pay and shut down the factory without notice or compensation. The workers had to protest and take the company to court to win back a majority but not all the back wages.
    Walmart is now the largest employer in America and possibly the world.
    My brothers American very libertarian friend who lives in Cambodia even admits that there needs to be some kind of unions and government oversight of big business exploiting the workers.

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  4. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Ben: What is the solution to corporate excessive salaries and foreign worker exploitation? Taxing corporations will likely lead to increased costs to consumers. What can be done structurally to change those two issues that does not lead to increased cost to consumers?

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  5. MikeL Avatar
    MikeL

    Ben, What should be the compensation ratio of CEO to worker bee?

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  6. MikeL Avatar
    MikeL

    Ben, Why is it you cannot see or refuse to look at executive compensation and corporate profits and see how they are benefiting the Calpers retirement fund?
    I have my head in the sand and I don’t the read the same make believe propaganda websites that you do so I had not heard about the $61 monthly salary being paid to Walmart associates (I think that is label Willymart workers are given) in Cambodia. My guess is that these are not in fact Wallymart workers but rather workers making the cheap crap for businesses that sell to WailyMart. I don’t know but $61 a month might make you a rich person in Cambodia.
    Walmart is now the largest employer in America and possibly the world….and I heard they are opening a SAMS club store on Uranus.

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  7. fish Avatar
    fish

    My favorite punching bag Walmart. CEO makes $16,826.92 an hour. In a single hour the CEO will make more than the average full time Walmart sale associate makes in an entire year.
    In 2012 Walmart made $16 billion in profits but cannot pay its workers more, why?

    It’s not your money why do you care what WalMart pays their CEO….evidently they think they’re getting their moneys worth.
    Wal Mart workers could roll the dice and try to unionize. Or they could be trying to make themselves more marketable in the economy….night school, trade school….?
    My brothers American very libertarian friend who lives in Cambodia even admits that there needs to be some kind of unions and government oversight of big business exploiting the workers.
    There is nothing inherently contradictory about the libertarian position on unions. No coercion, No thuggish behavior, no unions for the cadres of government employees at any level. The un-coerced association of employee groups to mutually agreed upon establish wage and benefit packages with a common employer. Simple.

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  8. Russ Steele Avatar
    Russ Steele

    Ben Emory@11:23
    While the average income in Cambodia is still around $1 a day, the average monthly income in Phnom Penh is three times higher, or about $100 per month, according to National Institute of Statistics’ Cambodia’s Socio-Economic Survey for 2010.
    Here is the minimum wage charts for Cambodia.
    http://www.wageindicator.org/main/salary/minimum-wage/cambodia
    Starting wages is $30 US per month, Probationary $ 70, Regular $80. Note there is a $10 bonus for showing up, and $5 for health care, $6 for housing and transportation and $2 for seniority. by my calculations a regular Walmart Worker who shows up daily should make $110-$112 month which is over three times the average monthly income in Cambodia. Your $61 is bogus.

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  9. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    I was in Mexico a couple of months ago and took an excursion where the operator yapped the whole time. He said Mexico has a minimum wage. I said how much? 10 bucks a day! So, I would suggest to BenE that he tell his pal in Colombia to immigrate to Mexico where in comparison he could become rich.
    The left is full of takers and anyone who makes more than them, those that actually work or create a profitable business, are the enemies. Lazy people have the time to sit around and dream up this stuff. BenE says the Laffer urve is now political. Yep, just like his hero’s strategies written up for revolutionaries by Alinsky. Everything is now political. Starer jobs at McDonalds are now the targets of the diminishing private sector unions. It will never end. There will always be lazy ass people who want your stuff.

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  10. fish Avatar
    fish

    So, I would suggest to BenE that he tell his pal in Colombia to immigrate to Mexico where in comparison he could become rich.
    Mexico and Mexicans hate illegal immigration from the South. If you’re destination is del Norte you are free to continue…don’t even think about staying!

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  11. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    You mean the Mexicans have a strict immigration policy for fellow Latinos? Drats. They must be prejudice racists there.

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  12. fish Avatar
    fish

    You mean the Mexicans have a strict immigration policy for fellow Latinos? Drats. They must be prejudice racists there.
    Yeah…..it’s quite the conundrum.

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  13. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Ben has the perfect idea. Eliminate company profits. No taxes to the govt – no payback for investors. The ‘workers’ get a bit more money in their pockets for a while until they have no job at all. Investors stop creating companies as they won’t get any return. Govt has a greatly reduced revenue stream. Yep – the left has it all worked out. Thanks.
    You can not defy the laws of physics or economics. You can not ‘create’ wealth out of thin air. I find it fascinating that the left sees perfect logic in ‘punishing’ polluters by making them pay fines. It costs them money – so they stop doing it. Then they want to have more employment by making the employees cost more. Pollution costs more money equals less pollution. Employees cost more money equals more employees. Does anyone on the left understand why I think they have left a bit of their mental abilities idle when they formulate their grand ideas of economic nirvana?

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  14. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Sott so true. Unfortunately Obama shares BenE’s economic policies.

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  15. Ben Emery Avatar

    The absolute ignorance on Rebane’s Ruminations of macro-economics is breathtaking. You guys are hopeless and I will be generous and say the cruelty your ideology represents is based in selfishness not malice.
    Drive careful the roads are a bit icy.

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  16. Russ Steele Avatar

    My apology for spelling your name wrong Ben.

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  17. George Rebane Avatar

    Does anyone care to recall when was the last time that one of Lenin’s Lads implemented their own breathtaking understanding of macro-economics?

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  18. fish Avatar
    fish

    The absolute ignorance on Rebane’s Ruminations of macro-economics is breathtaking. You guys are hopeless and I will be generous and say the cruelty your ideology represents is based in selfishness not malice.
    Your blind worship of collective statist redistributionism is indicative of a juvenile lack understanding of both human nature and the way the world ultimately works. I will be generous and say enjoy your legacy of state sanctioned murder, torture, and imprisonment in pursuit of what the “books” say!

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  19. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    The shareholders, the owners of publically traded corporations, are forbidden by law to directly set executive compensation so we really don’t know if the owners are happy with their compensation committee deals.
    That said, Ben… GED or diploma?

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  20. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    BenE has it just 180 degrees off. I guess when everyone is “equal” he probably won’t be happy either.

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  21. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Ben – you can respond to my points with logic and facts or you can call me names. I see you made your choice. I’m ‘cruel’ because I want educated, loved and cared-for children growing into self regulating and responsible skilled adults with the abilities and desires to become productive members of society. Wow. I have a great life and I sacrifice time and money in order for others to have the same. That is your definition of ‘cruel’? So – what is the proper thing I should think and do? Just hand over my wealth to a corrupt and evil govt and hope some how that suddenly it will start respecting our civil rights and stop pocketing most of my money? Your vague and unrealistic fantasies mostly involve making sure you are the director of others’ wealth that they have earned. Why don’t you and your fellow travellers start your own companies and pay everyone 75K a year? Oh – that’s right. It turns out that it’s been tried and it doesn’t work. Remember Ben And Jerry and their left wing BS? Oops. Doesn’t work, does it? They got realllllll quiet after that. But you keep on calling us names. I guess it’s all you have in the tank. Pitiful.

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  22. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    Ben Emery, yesterday @ 10:54PM, raised the topic of income equality. This has recently been a popular topic in many venues but what I find curious is that while plenty of statistics and facts are presented I have found little or no discussion of why the topic is so newsworthy. I’m quite certain that those reporting and discussing the topic don’t think it is a good thing but, again, I have found little or no discussion of why it is a bad thing. I would very much appreciate if Ben, or anybody, would explain what they find so unacceptable about income inequality.
    Ben writes, “[Walmart’s] CEO makes $16,826.92 an hour. In a single hour the CEO will make more than the average full time Walmart sale associate makes in an entire year.”
    Once one advances from an hourly wage to an annual salary, one’s compensation is typically related to the amount of responsibility one assumes. The CEO of a company with $400 billion in net annual sales assumes far more than 2000 times the responsibility than a typical sales associate. Where is the problem?
    “In 2012 Walmart made $16 billion in profits but cannot pay its workers more, why?”
    It’s not that they cannot pay more but rather that they do not. The reason they do not is because the wages they pay buy them the employee talent that they need. In other words, because there are people who willing to do the work for those wages. For Walmart to pay more would be irresponsible.

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  23. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    BenE, you say the “rich” should give up their “riches” to be fair to the less fortunate. Please do us all a favor and define “less fortunate” and/or “poor”.
    Also, since you are into a thing called “fairness” tell us what the responsibility of the “less fortunate” is to improve themselves economically? Is it on;t for the people who worked hard and gained wealth to be fair or are those you deem “less fortunate” also responsible? Are they responsible for their condition? It seems you are always on a one way bus.

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  24. George Rebane Avatar

    MichaelK 212pm – excellent points. I’m about to post something in response to the entire issue of income equality, fairness, justice, or whatever term serves. That income equality has been raised high on the Obama PR circuit is, of course, no mystery. Some populist topic had to be made the alternative topic of national conversation to take our minds off the reality that Obamacare ain’t getting better, it’s getting worse.
    What is more suitable than to dredge up class warfare that immediately re/invokes the exhortations from progressives across the land and even on these pages? I think the Big O would have leaked risque pictures of the First Lady (assuming any are available) to get people’s minds off of Obamacare. And that he chose wages while crowing an improved economy gives more than a lie to the notion. Wages would naturally increase would there be a shortage of labor with appropriate skill sets. That the lowest skilled and commensurately paid are being stoked to take to the streets is an indication that all is still not well. For example, the lamestream is not putting out that 41% of the reported new jobs were government hires, i.e. contribute zilch to wealth creation, but suck more of it from the economy. A good portion of the remaining private sector jobs were of the bottom tier types that leftwingers argue should pay enough to maintain a family.

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  25. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    Nobody likes giving up their hard earned money to an evil government who then turns it over to evil corporations. Senator Bill Bradley once said elections were simply a transfer of money from donors to television stations. Government is just a big cash machine for big business. Take from the poor (defined as the lower 99.9% of the population) and give to the rich (defined as the upper one tenth of one percent).

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  26. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    So JoeK, 50% of the people do not contribute to the Fed budget via income tax. Tell us all where the 100% of the money to run the country comes from.

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  27. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    It was so cold today I saw a liberal with his hands in his own pockets. Now, that is cold.
    Remember when Occupy Wall Street was all the rage? The New York OWS in particular. I watched an interview on the street with Russell Simmons, the hip hop musak producer. He was joining the common folk about the horrible income inequality and the rich not paying their fair share. Evil 1%ers all that stuff. He was asked point blank “Why don’t you cut a check to the government?” Mr. Simmons replied “no”, that he funds his own “foundation.”
    The Oracle of Omaha was asked the same question, Again, “No way Jose. I am donating my money not to the goberment, but to my causes and foundations of my choice. Same for Bill Gates. Now, I admit the Mr. Simmons is only worth a pitiful 26 million and should not be included with real wealthy folks.
    Why don’t people who are concerned about our nation and her citizens just cut big fat checks to Uncle Barry on top of paying taxes? The reason is so simple that even a lib can grasp it. Government always takes piles of money and throws it up in the air. Like confetti falling from the sky.
    Libs are always obsessed with what other people are doing on a daily basis, what they have, how much they earn and in their constant state of turmoil and warped envy plan endless schemes to get their manicured hands on other people’s stuff. Thus, there is indeed no rest for the wicked.

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  28. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    The liberal mind: transfer of privacy on steroids. Judge them by what they do, not what they say.
    Funniest quote from the link below:
    “State officials said they are only trying to help potential customers find insurance and sign up in time.”
    Wasn’t it Reagen who said the 9 scariest words in the English language are “we’re from the government and we’re here to help.”
    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-exchange-names-disclosed-20131207,0,1224576.story#axzz2mqthF6Yi

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  29. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    Todd — Three monkeys climb a tree. One monkey finds a banana. Another monkey finds a pineapple. The first monkey trades the second monkey the banana for the pineapple. The third monkey trades the second monkey a bag of sand for the pineapple and then steals the banana from the first monkey. Which monkey is a liberal, which is a conservative, and which monkey pays the most taxes? Come on Todd, show us your smarts.

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  30. George Rebane Avatar

    Good questions have been asked our liberal readers about the allocation of your personal funds that remain when the government’s tribute has been paid. I note that they again send crickets to respond.

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  31. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Yes George, JoeK is crickets and responds not to my questions. But he is so brilliant he uses his relatives a prop. Too funny.

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  32. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Oh, and I believe he is a sock puppet.

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  33. Gerry Fedor Avatar
    Gerry Fedor

    Sorry Todd, but your qualification about economic advice are like old fish and relatives coming too long for the holiday. Something we should all avoid, as history have shown us, you really should try to manage your own money before you espouse us to “your wonderful track record” in the financial arena…..
    A number of years ago the US Congress did away with a simple thing, they allowed for the removal of a law that said that excessive pay could be called a “expense” and it could be tax deducted.
    Almost immediately the pay of CEO has doubled, and it has grown exponentially almost every year since. Now there are exceptions (such as Ben and Jerry’s) where the CEO’s pay is directly linked to the performance of a company and to what’s it’s lowest paid employee gets, but when a company, such as Walmart has it’s employees doing in store food drives for it’s own employees, then this issue needs to be addressed. Why not put back in the law that said that if a CEO makes more than 200 times what it’s lowest employee makes then it cannot be written off? This worked well before as things were booming in the Reagan era, why not now?
    I bet Todd you could agree with the simple fact that 80+% of Walmart employees are on some type of municipally (food stamps, provided housing support, free phones, child support, health coverage, etc.) provided support, and that’s “OK” with you, but this money comes from our pocket books when this company could more than support the 1.3 million employees and my proof is below:
    1.3 million employees of which 1.25 are making a average of $10 per house They do not provide any retirement for these employees and they make these employees pay $40 per week ($160 per month) for health insurance. The insurance is a wash as they do not provide any coverage other than catastrophic (with a $16,000) deductible.
    if you consider that the average Walmart employee works for 22 hours a week (90+% have more than one job) if they actually paid people a wacky amount (let’s say 25% more) it would mean that Walmart would pay (come on now you can get out your calculator) $2.50 more X 22 hours x 46 weeks x 1.25 million which equals = $3.1625 billion dollars in wages, but it would save the American Tax Payer an estimated $900 million dollars in Federal Subsidies, and the other estimated savings are that employee theft (which is estimated at $2.5 billion) would drop by 70% (yes this concept is directly tied to the average pay rate of a company employee, and the value they place upon their ability to survive).
    I know that this math stuff is very confusing for you conservatives and you don’t like to have to think at concepts other than “wealth redistribution” and Obama’s a Muslin, but these type of issues requires using your brain for something more than trying to keep your head round….

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  34. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Gery Fedor you are a sock puppet. Now where do you get the idea anuone should listen to a sock puppet? You are someone using the name Gerry Fedor so I would suggest you are the one no one should listen to. Tell us your qualifications Gerry. Aw, they don’t exist.
    I would suggest George boot you until you fess up to exactly who you are. I just did a post on you Gerry. You don’t exist. But this is Georges blog and he can allow a sock puppet if he wants.

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  35. Russ Steele Avatar
    Russ Steele

    Here are some Walmart salary facts and reviews by 4,000 employees:
    http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Walmart-Salaries-E715.htm
    It appears they have a 401K retirement plan, contrary to the information provided above.

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  36. fish Avatar
    fish

    Gerrys proof is below:
    ….and my proof is below:
    1.3 million employees of which 1.25 are making a average of $10 per house They do not provide any retirement for these employees and they make these employees pay $40 per week ($160 per month) for health insurance. The insurance is a wash as they do not provide any coverage other than catastrophic (with a $16,000) deductible.
    if you consider that the average Walmart employee works for 22 hours a week (90+% have more than one job) if they actually paid people a wacky amount (let’s say 25% more) it would mean that Walmart would pay (come on now you can get out your calculator) $2.50 more X 22 hours x 46 weeks x 1.25 million which equals = $3.1625 billion dollars in wages, but it would save the American Tax Payer an estimated $900 million dollars in Federal Subsidies, and the other estimated savings are that employee theft (which is estimated at $2.5 billion) would drop by 70% (yes this concept is directly tied to the average pay rate of a company employee, and the value they place upon their ability to survive).

    As mentioned in a previous post Gerry….. Wal Mart rank and file employees could attempt to unionize. And why stop at a 25% increase….why not a 50% bump? If 25% is fair, 50% must be twice as fair….and who doesn’t like being twice as fair? It looks like you Gerry….why do you hate the working poor? Why not 50%….or a 100%? Would you deny the “working poor” the opportunity to make 4 times what they make now you heartless, soulless bastard!
    If you were here Gerry I’d spit on you!
    I see organized labor as powerful force in the US in the future……..
    Well no…not really!

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  37. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    McDonalds in the boom town in North Dakota is NOW hiring at 17 bucks an hour. It was 15 bucks an hour, but they could not find enough people to fill the positions. Market forces doing its thing.
    If you think Wal Mart and others are not paying enough, just wait til BarackObamacare fully kicks in with the employer mandate. The workers may get raises alright, but have their hours slashed in the retail and service industries. Like going on strike for higher wages and when the strike is over, the figures on paper show they will have to work 2 and 1/2 years to make up for the time lost on the picket line, lol. Just ask the drivers about that last big long UPS strike.
    Why would someone pay somebody more if their value has not increased? I get raises always without asking. Guess some fools want to keep me around. They think I am valuable, lol. Problem solving is kind of fun. Now, if I was pumping gas and did not know how to stock the convenience store or run the register or place orders for merchandize or do accurate inventories, why should I get paid more to pump gas and mops the bathroom floors? If I said “Take this job and shove it”, they will find another underachiever tomorrow to fill my shoes. Don’t let the door hit ya where the Good Lord spit ya.
    We are all paid the value an employer places on our wages (in the private sector). Who am I to say what is fair. Employees face competition from other employees in the low skilled circle as well.
    I may be worth 100 bucks an hour in some lib’s mind, but I earn what my employer deems my worth. I earn it. That is the stumbling block in the liberal mind. Earn verses giving me a wage.
    Hey, come on all workers, lets take over the factory! Power to the people! When the Revolution comes there will be no more niggar or bullshit! Workers of the World Unite. Strike! And when the nose on your face goes on strike, just pick-it.

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  38. George Rebane Avatar

    The saddest thing about the innumeracy of the liberals is that they take their ‘numbers’ (see GerryF’s 552am) and use them to make social policy when they are in power. For example try to imagine that there would be any savings to the tax payer that even approach the brown numbers GerryF cites. BillT’s 815am points in the right direction, and I will detail it later. But you can bet the ranch that a liberal will not understand one bit of it.

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  39. Ben Emery Avatar

    Here is the evolution of economics that will replace this predatory capitalism that has morphed into an evil despot that has infected our body politic for far to long.
    http://www.newyorkcooperative.net/content/richard-wolff-democracy-work

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  40. Ben Emery Avatar

    Fast Food Strikes are part of the global revolution taking place and as in the words of the late great John F. Kennedy “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”
    Keep stripping the people their civil liberties to be full participants within our “representative” government and JFK’s word will ring true.
    1. If wages had kept pace with productivity gains, the minimum wage would be over $16 an hour.
    Corporate profits have soared. Workers are producing more, but they’re not sharing in the rewards.
    Productivity and the minimum wage generally increased at the same rate from 1947 to 1969, during this country’s postwar boom years. Using a conservative benchmark, economists Dean Baker and Will Kimball determined that the minimum wage would be $16.54 today if it had continued to keep pace with productivity.
    The strikers are asking for $15 an hour.
    (Source: Baker and Kimball, Center for Economic and Policy Research)
    2. The average fast food worker makes $8.69 an hour.
    Many jobs pay at or near the minimum wage, which is $7.25 per hour. And an estimated 87 percent of fast food workers receive no health benefits.
    (Source: UC Berkeley Labor Center)
    3. The CEO of McDonald’s Corporation makes $13.8 million per year.
    That’s a 237 percent pay increase over last year, when he was paid a “mere” $4.1 million. Presumably health benefits are also included.
    (Source: USA Today)
    4. McDonald’s cost the American taxpayer an estimated $1.2 billion in public assistance per year.
    In other words, taxpayer money is subsidizing this large corporation’s profits – at the expense of American workers.
    (Source: National Employment Law Project)
    5. McDonald’s made $1.5 billion in profits last quarter.
    That’s up 5 percent from the previous year.
    (Source: McDonald’s Corporation)
    6. The 10 largest fast food companies cost taxpayers an estimated $3.9 billion in government health assistance and $1.04 billion in food assistance.
    Republicans are demanding cuts to government health and food programs. With all the talk of deficit reduction, it’s surprising that no one has pointed out that a great way to lower expenditures would be by ending these backdoor subsidies for highly profitable corporations.
    (Source: UC Berkeley Labor Center)
    7. These 10 companies earned $7.4 billion in profits last year.
    They also paid out $7.7 billion in dividends. Meanwhile …
    (Source: National Employment Law Project)
    8. Fast food workers are more than twice as likely to be on public assistance.
    25 percent of American workers receive some form of public assistance – which is a disturbing figure itself. For fast food workers that figure was 52 percent.
    And it’s not just part-time work that’s causing the problem. More than half of full-time fast food workers receive some form of public assistance.
    (Sources: University of California, Berkeley/University of Illinois study; UC Berkeley Labor Center)
    9. Most of the workers who would be affected by this wage change are adults.
    We also hear that it’s not necessary to raise the minimum wage, especially for fast food workers, because most of them are “kids” working a few hours each week for pocket money. Think of this as the “malt shoppe” argument.
    But it’s not true. Most low-wage workers are adults. Nationally, adults make up 88 percent of the workers who would receive a raise if the minimum wage were increased to $10.10 per hour. In locales as distinct as New York State and Albuquerque, New Mexico, that figure rises to 92 percent.
    (Sources: US Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions, Fiscal Policy Institute, New Mexico Voices for Children/Fiscal Policy Project)
    10. Over 7 million children live in minimum-wage households.
    And many of these workers are parents. Seven million children – nearly one American child in ten – feels the effects of low wages.
    (Source: data from the National Women’s Law Center)
    11. This strike is targeting large employers.
    Sixty-six percent of low-wage workers are employed by organizations with 100 employees or more. Thursday’s strikers aren’t targeting mom-and-pop operations. They’re striking against some of America’s largest corporations.
    How large? McDonald’s employs 707,850 people. Yum! Brands (better known as Pizza Hut, Taco Bell and KFC) employs 379,449 people. Altogether these 10 companies employ 2,251,956 people.
    The workforce for these ten companies is greater than the populations of Nebraska, West Virginia, Idaho, Hawaii, Maine, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Montana, Delaware, South Dakota, Alaska, North Dakota, Vermont and Wyoming, states which hold 28 seats in the United States Senate. Shouldn’t these fast food workers have a voice of some kind too?
    (Sources: National Employment Law Project, US Census Bureau)
    12. There’s probably a rally near you.
    There’s an easy-to-use website to help you find one. There’s also an online workers’ strike kit, for fast food workers who want to take action.
    (Source: Low Pay Is Not OK)

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  41. Gerry Fedor Avatar
    Gerry Fedor

    Sorry Todd, you are nothing that anyone with a brain should listen to – So until you pay back the @$200,000 you owe the bank for YOUR financial losses on your investment property you need a timeout in the corner. Until that happens you’ll be much like the smoke from my neighbors leaf burning pile – a irritant for the short term, but nothing to concern anyone about!
    So it’s time for you to spend 30 minutes in the corner telling yourself “I will stop lying to myself and everyone else” and it’s time to actually learn something.
    Sock puppet? LOL!!! Creative minds come up with the “most endearing” terms to divert our attention when I have lived here (off and on) for 16 years and full time for the past 12 years. The title of my home sure had my name on it (it’s in a trust now), so I guess I’m like Mr. Tozer who seems to live in the sub-division of Grass Valley known as fantasy land….
    No wonder why you monkeys don’t post on the Union’s Board anymore as without your anonymity, you’d be getting the same advice you hear from me (and here you get it for free) and the hundreds of others back in the old days.
    Why does North Dakota pay $17 per hour Bill? I know you tell everyone one about how much your worth, but we all know that the real estate values on Fantasy Land and Fantasy Land Truth for those properties in Hollywood must be serving you well!!! LOL!!!
    Is it because everyone wants to live in their wonderful climate in the Dakota’s (it’s a high of 13F with a low of -9F), or maybe it’s because of the wonderful natural attractions? The plain and simple fact is that there are very few people there for a specific work, and almost everyone wants to do a job where they are earning $90K a year in the oil industry.
    No one wants to be flipping burgers, so lets try to not promote something out of the simple fact that unless they are paying $17 per hour they wouldn’t be able to find anyone to flip them there burgers!
    As per Walmarts 401K and the recent lawsuit that was settled, Walmart was given a bright score rating of 50 (1-100) as their fees are so high that they barely can be considered a 401K, so you will lose 50% more with their 401K. So I guess Russ in realistic terms, they do have a 401K, but don’t expect to retire on it.

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  42. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Gerry, thanks for keeping me in your head. Too funny. BillT and I are Occupying Gerry’s Street! LOL!

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  43. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    How is that Burning Man infection Gerry? LOL!

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  44. Gerry Fedor Avatar
    Gerry Fedor

    Nope you are the “laughing points” that truly educated people can point to when they laugh at talking points made by “talking heads”….
    I noticed that you were threatening me with a slander lawsuit for asking about the foreclosure saying that I was lying, but I guess that we’ve shown just the person you actually are, and how much you’ve cost the banks and government, this discussion has gone the way on the DODO…. Much like the majority of your writings!
    I always enjoy reading what you write – It’s like looking at a Gary Larson cartoon! I think of the cartoon where the guy with the bulldozer was inside the womans home quoting “once the home demonstration was in full swing, a sale was inevitable!”
    (I wonder that type of “insightful” discussion this will now generate?)

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  45. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I am having so much fun being in your head Gerry Fedor. Not much in there though. What a hoot! How is that BM infection? LOL!

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  46. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Don’t recall anybody putting a gun to someone’s head and telling them to work part time at Wal Mart or at the wonderful eateries at malls or even our Burger Basin.
    Perhaps a better solution than forcing folks (with the threat of lethal force) to slave their lives away for Wal Mart is to focus on economics and education. The right kind of education. Not the type of education that produces degrees used as toilet paper. A lower unemployment rate is not a bad thing.
    The shrinking of our workforce may not be a good thing, which may be another one of those unintended consequences of government policy. The list of unintended consequences as a direct result of the various and sundry fiscal policies spewing forth from our lords and masters and our Great Revered Supreme Leader is too long to list. I know, they are really, really trying to help us ignorant blue bloods. Hey, shit for brains, quit trying to help!
    Sure, tossing a trillion or so at the economy will raise the GDP a 1/4% or 1% or so for a quarter, but the workforce is shrinking. Not the way to expand and grow and provide meaningful employment for so many victims of the heartless self employed and (choke, choke) American corporations.
    Businesses have figured out that they can make the same net profit with less revenues coupled with less expenses. Businesses are not in the game to go belly up or lose millions. They stay afloat despite being pounded by our Great Half White Father in Washington.
    BarackObama said on MSMBC that he discovered that signing up for Health Care is not an easy processes. No shit. People making personal decisions about their needs, budgets, and what will work for them is not a task to be completed in 5 minutes nor taken lightly. Now that BarackObama has “discovered” that the health insurance industry is complex, I am happy for him. Me thinks he should have thought about that before nationalizing health care policy requirements and sticking his hands into 1/6 of our economy.
    More unintended consequences as the 85% percent of the American people who liked their coverage will now face cut hours and be thrown into BarackObamacare where all the 45-60 somethings HAVE TO purchase pediatric eye care and pediatric dental care.
    I don’t think most Americans believe that BarackObamacare will be defunded. Its the law of the land. I believe most Americans just want it to work as promised or just work without tossing everything on its head. Silly me, I thought BarackObamacare was for the uninsured. What are all these political policies doing in BarackObamacare? Like men have to buy gynecological services to satisfy some ho-bag law student at George Washington University?
    Its akin to the marijuana laws here. Silly me, I thought it was for helping the chronically ill and suffering. The latest Union poll shows I am in the tiniest of minorities. My poll answer was marijuana could be legal for medicinal purposes. Think it was 3% of the answers or less. Most just want the whole shebang legalized and forget this silly medical medicine law. Silly me. And I thought all this time that the job killing BarackObamacare was only about the uninsured. Wal Mart’s health insurance offered to their employees (offered, not forced upon them) makes a Bronze Package look good. Lower premiums means higher co-pays and much higher deductibles especially for scripts. Silly me.

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  47. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Bernanke is and has been tossing 85 billion a month into the mix by printing (digitizing) dollars. My question is why isn’t there a tax cut matching this new money created by rote?

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  48. George Rebane Avatar

    Administrivia – an addendum that covers the essence of the relationship between wages, productivity, profits, and value delivered in the context of Baumol’s Effect (or Disease) is available here –
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2013/12/baumols-effect-on-wages-and-the-liberal-mind.html

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  49. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    Here is what happens to Walmart employees who try to unionize: The Florida Seven.
    The seven butchers at a Walmart super store in Florida formed a union and asked for a pay raise. When they returned to work after the weekend they found the meat department had been closed and they had been reassigned to other departments. The head butcher and ringleader of the unionization was reassigned to the produce dept. The store was about to throw away a case of overripe bananas and the former butcher offered to buy them. He was told he could buy the whole case for 50 cents. Before he paid he sampled one banana to see if they were too rotten to eat, which they were not. He paid the 50 cents and took the bananas home. The next day he was fired for stealing the banana he sampled. End of story. Don’t try to unionize Walmart.

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