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[Representaive McClintock made the following speech on the floor of the House today 28 September 2013.  It is here reproduced in its entirety.  gjr]

Tom McClintock (R-CA4)

Mr. Speaker:

            A crisis is not a good time for inflammatory rhetoric and ad hominem attacks.  I will simply say that yesterday, the President missed an opportunity to bring both sides together.  That responsibility now rests solely with us.

            Nobody on the Republican side of the aisle wants to see a government shutdown or a credit default.  And I am confident that nobody on the Democratic side wants to see millions of Americans lose the health plans they were told they could keep; or see their healthcare costs skyrocket, or lose their jobs or work hours because of the unintended consequences of Obamacare.

            But these events — that nobody wants to see — are now unfolding.  They will do great damage to our nation that nobody on wants to see happen. 

            If we agree on these fundamental issues, our course should be clear and is only blocked by the kind of partisan division that we heard yesterday from the White House. 

            We can avert these calamities and redeem this institution if we can put aside the name-calling for a few days and get down to business.

            The good news is that we have a process of government that has evolved over centuries that is very good at resolving differences of opinion within and between the two houses of Congress. 

            And in this case, there shouldn’t even be much to resolve: ALL OF US want to see the government stay open; ALL OF US want to see the government’s credit preserved; ALL OF US want to see Americans protected from losing health plans they want to keep; or from being socked with crushing premium increases; or from losing their jobs or having their hours cut back.


            If we are all agreed on these objectives, isn’t the appropriate course self-evident?  Senator Manchin seems to have laid it out very clearly the other day:  a temporary Continuing Resolution to keep the government open; a temporary increase in the debt limit while we complete the normal appropriations process; and a temporary delay in Obamacare until the unintended consequences of its mandates can be corrected.

            Is that so unreasonable?  After all, this Administration has already exempted big corporations and more than a thousand politically-connected groups from the Obamacare mandates. 

            More revealingly, the Administration has protected members of Congress from its crushing costs.  That ought to be the ultimate wake-up call: if members of Congress can’t afford to meet Obamacare’s costs, how do we expect the average American to do so?   Why not give EVERYBODY the same relief by delaying these mandates until the law can be replaced with provisions that actually fulfill the promises made to the American people when it was enacted?

            I don’t like Continuing Resolutions at all.  Congress has a responsibility to superintend the nation’s finances, and it has developed an appropriations process that requires painstaking review of every expenditure of this government.  That review involves countless hours of committee work, scores of hours of floor debate and hundreds of individual amendments.

            Continuing resolutions cast aside this work and abandon Congress’s responsibility over the nation’s finances.  They shift enormous authority to the executive branch that the Founders never intended.  

            I had hoped to be done with continuing resolutions.  Those who enacted Obamacare no doubt hoped it would lower health care costs and help the economy.  Sadly, events in this imperfect world can often disappoint and transfigure our fondest hopes.  We have not completed the appropriations process; we need additional time to do so and we need to correct the damage being done to existing health-plan holders and employees by Obamacare.  

            If we all agree on these objectives our course should be clear to us all.  We should fund the government long enough to complete the normal appropriations process and we should delay Obamacare long enough to preserve the jobs, working hours, and existing health care policies of the millions of Americans who are now losing them. 

            So let’s cool the rhetoric and do what this institution is designed to do: come together in support of the objectives upon which we all agree — for the good of our nation and the people who have trusted us with its care.

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185 responses to “Rep McClintock on Resolving the Healthcare and Fiscal Dilemmas”

  1. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Posted by: Scott Obermuller | 30 September 2013 at 10:32 PM
    Really Bill? Then lay out the case and explain exactly how Obamacare was responsible for your aunt loosing her health care because I do not believe you.
    As Michael said prove it buddy.

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  2. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Watch out ScottO, frick and frack are gonna prove you wrong even though it is your family experience. Too funny.

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  3. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    “Really Bill? Then lay out the case and explain exactly how Obamacare was responsible for your aunt loosing her health care because I do not believe you.
    As Michael said prove it buddy.
    Posted by: stevenfried”
    Gee Mr. stevenfried, I really don’t know. Have not seen or spoken to my Aunt since her sister (my Mother)died at Christmas 21 months ago. Can’t prove it or deny it. I hope my Aunt Charlotte is ok. Aunt Daisy and Aunt Ruth also have passed on, pre-Obamacare.
    At least you called me buddy! Hugs and kisses back at ya.
    “A stranger is just a friend you haven’t met yet.”
    -Gomer Pyle.
    Don’t be any stranger.

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  4. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Mr. Obermuller:
    Of course the government ain’t grinding to a halt. It does put my plans to visit the Museum of Art Stuff on hold. Darn, I was going to broaden my Neanderthal horizons. Oh well, us knuckle draggers have patience. It a sign we are evolving. Guess I will just have to look at pictures of The Scream instead of seeing it in person.
    Did receive an e-mail from a nice lady that used to have a crush on me in high school. Her husband is a USDA inspector in Texas and was sent home. She ain’t too happy about it. Seems he is laying around making messes and she prefers he would leave the house and not bother her, lol. My, they are going to have a fun retirement.
    A friend in Washington State sent me an article. I did not realize that Washington State (a rather small State in the grand scheme of things) has 50,000 Federal workers. 50,000 Federal workers in Washington State alone???? Half of them are “essential”. Wonder what the other half are? Oh, they must be the ones closing Cascade National Park.
    Good buying opportunity. Despite all the hand wringing, the market actually went up 1.7% the last time non essential Federal workers were told to take a break.

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  5. Gregory Avatar

    “… lay out the case and explain exactly how Obamacare was responsible for your aunt loosing her health care because I do not believe you. As Michael said prove it buddy.”
    -Frisch 5:04AM
    Ever notice how rarely “buddy” is aimed at someone who is a buddy?
    3AM, 5AM. My, Steven Frisch, six figure CEO of a Truckee 501c3 non profit, wretchedly misnamed the Sierra Business Council, your sleep patterns seem quite odd. You sure you’re feeling OK, “buddy”?
    Yes, you and mandersonation are predisposed to mistrust any anecdotes that cast a bad light on Obamacare, as you’ve been cheerleaders from the start. So what else is new? Health care is unstable at the moment with health care service and insurance providers both in flux trying to roll with the changes.
    It would be virtually impossible for anyone to prove any particular change was due to Obamacare, and it’s impossible for Stevie or Mikey to prove it wasn’t. From what I see from the vantage point of the health care recruiter in the family, just about all changes in health care in the recent past are a result of the so-called Affordable Care Act as everyone in the business is trying to build models that are viable whether it remains or it doesn’t.

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  6. fish Avatar
    fish

    You’re stuck with it, so why not fix it…
    I think that was the TEAM DEM plan RL….make it so screwed up out of the gate that the only solution would be to turn it into medicare. No matter that FedGov is having all sorts of problems running the single payer it already has.
    I think this falls into the “feature, not a bug” category.

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  7. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    I am astonished that Greg is worried about my health. I am worried about his health as well. Mental health care is covered under the Affordable Care Act and his pre-exsiting condition would be covered under the new law. I hope Greg seeks help.
    Just for his edification I rise every morning a little before 5 am. My morning routine includes reading about 20 different internet based news sources (including the blogs I have bookmarked under “Crazy Country” in my browser). I also travel to the east coast on occasion, a 3 hour time difference. I’m usually working by about 7:30 am. That’s how we roll in the real world.

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  8. fish Avatar
    fish

    That’s how we roll in the real world.
    Godspeed you valiant private sector warrior.

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  9. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    With a shutdown (heh heh) I would suppose even rent seeking grant funded by taxpayers organizations like SBC will not be receiving a check?

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  10. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Stevenfrisch – you sir, made the declarative statement – ” merely attribute loss of medical care for an ill aunt to Obamacare without really knowing what the cause is.”
    The ball is in your court. What proof do you have that I didn’t actually know what the cause of her loss of health care was? Between that statement and the further statement that you do not believe me leads me to think that you are accusing me of deliberately lying. Hiding behind the keyboard makes you feel pretty big and tough, doesn’t it? You could have simply asked me what the particulars were in the case of my aunt. And I would have been glad to inform you. We can have a spirited discussion of the issues and I have pretty darn thick skin. If you want details and proofs from me to back up my points, I have always been happy to oblige. You and Michael can go ahead and call me all of the names you want. Doesn’t bother me in the least.
    If you think that some sort of proof is needed to back up what is posted here, then I would suggest that you start by letting us know what facts you had at hand to allege that I didn’t know the real reason my aunt lost her health care coverage.

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  11. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Good link Mr. Crabb. The Matrix is not perfect.
    Yes, Obamacare is the law of the land.
    It takes two to tango. The first problem I see is this law affects too many of the ALREADY insured. Employees like myself in the private sector may face the 40% excise tax. Then there are the unions across our land that are screaming bloody murder to have it fixed. When all things are considered (pay, workplace rules), why join a union to negotiate health care when the exchanges are set up and running? Only 7% of the private sector workforce is unionized, but they have the President’s ear. Just look at the White House logs. More union dudes have visited the White House than lawmakers!
    In other words, Mr. Crabb, I see opposition from the majority of those already insured. Concerning Medicare, our President has made it clear he is no fan of the gov’t paying private insurers for Medicare Part D or whatever it is called. He sees it as a poison pill for whatever reason.
    So, how do we cover the uninsured…er…the unhealthy uninsured and still keep premiums and coverage affordable. As previously pointed out, affordable insurance does NOT mean good health care coverage….i.e., do we sacrifice good health care coverage to met specific health needs for a affordable price???
    I was thrilled that your wife received the treatment she needed. That is what the goals of the ACA was designed to achieve, whether I like Obamacare or not. The stumbling block I have always heard from anecdotal stories (meaning people, let put a face on it!!!) is the pre-existing condition exclusion. That hurdle has been overcome. So, the unhealthy uninsured can now be insured, just like Medicaid or Medicare.
    I confess that I don’t know all the ins and outs of everything under the sun. Never had health insurance for myself until 13 years ago. Maybe for a month or two back in the 70’s. Covered the girls with a cheapo policy, but not me. Even their coverage lapsed a time or two. So, now I have more than gold plan (80/20), must be a Cadillac plan cause it is more on the lines of 94-6. Plus no deductibles. Well, if I am hospitalized MORE THAN 30 consecutive days in a semi-private room, then I might have to cough up 2,500 smackers, once..not every year. 3k for a private room after 30 days.
    So, I guess I have been spoiled. No deductibles. My company already charges the same for everybody, be they an old fart like me or a young buck. Think the co-pay finally got raised to 15 bucks and ER 100 bucks and ER-light, 50 bucks. Don’t really know. That is why I say I would not ever want what is offered Congress or Federal employees. Too expensive. I could NOT afford hundreds of dollars a month for coverage!!
    Like the idea of something better than Medicaid for the under 62 crowd, but I also know you can’t get blood from a turnip. Affordable does not mean good care.

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  12. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Hey Scott, if you are going to try to bust my ass at least quote me accurately:
    Here was the original sentence: “I wonder if others have done similar fact checking on the effects, or merely attribute loss of medical care for an ill aunt to Obamacare without really knowing what the cause is.”
    Even though I failed to use a question mark [mea culpa], that sentence is a question.
    So the onus of ‘proof’ is on you. You are the one who made a ‘declarative’ statement, not me.
    So tell your story buddy, we are all ears.

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  13. Ryan Mount Avatar

    PPACA balance sheet hinges on two things from what I can see:
    1) the individual mandate, that is requiring everyone to get health insurance
    2) requiring young people to get insurance or pay the penalty, which is supposed to pay for the elderly.
    Regarding the later, especially with the new trend of companies either threatening to or simply stopping insuring family members as what seems to be a classic Bastiat unintended consequence*, I wonder if the young Obama/Democratic voters understands how this impacts them. Most 20 somethings have trouble putting gas in their cars, let alone paying premiums.
    Anyhow, aside from my observation, if you take away either of the above, I think the whole PPACA comes apart.
    I think the author in RL’s link above makes sense. Clearly the House Republicans are targeting #1, because young people, for the most part, hate their guts because they remind them of their parents.
    * the more I what this theater play out, coupled with Henry Reed’s recent comments, this is NOT intentional.

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  14. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Ryan, check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6LqCcJZ7dc
    I have no problem with the young opting out, as long as they find some kind of plan to cover them for catastrophic, which is what this group is asking them to do.
    I don’t think this will kill PPACA because it still serves the purpose of having everyone covered.

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  15. Ryan Mount Avatar

    The fiscal foundation of PPACA, as Obama said this AM on NPR, is to have the young subsidize the old.
    If they(<30 year olds) opt out, it will collapse.

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  16. Gregory Avatar

    “I have no problem with the young opting out, as long as they find some kind of plan to cover them for catastrophic, which is what this group is asking them to do.”
    -mandersonation
    Ryan has it right.
    If more decide just to bail with the yearly $100 tax, massive failure of Obamacare, hence the desperate push to convince the kids they’d rather subsidize their friends’ parents’ generation than be able to afford a decent apartment on a barista’s pay and pretend to pay off their student loans that bought that $200,000 degree in Anthropology.

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  17. Paul Emery Avatar

    Gee guys Even Mitch McConnell is in favor of an up or down vote, which would end the standoff in the house. The pubsters have re-written the script for hypocrisy and self destruction.
    He said in 2005.
    “Let’s get back to the way the Senate operated for over 200 years, up or down votes on the president’s nominee, no matter who the president is, no matter who’s in control of the Senate. That’s the way we need to operate.”
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/10/27/160129/-The-Up-or-Down-Vote-talking-point-is-dead#

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  18. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Sorry Greg, that’s just NOT how it’s going to happen. Everything is in the phasing and the tweaking. PPACA is an inexorable force. It may not look at all the same coming out the back end as it did going in the front end, but whatever it looks like, it will be called PPACA until the sun dies.

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  19. Paul Emery Avatar

    more on the up or down vote denied by the pubs in the house. Enough pubbers woul support the “clean” bill if allowed to vote. Boehner is toast on this one, Just wait. He can’t win either way it goes.
    “But there is a critical flaw in Republicans’ argument that they are just carrying out the will of the people: If the House of Representatives — the “People’s House” — was allowed by GOP leaders to work its will by casting a straight up-or-down vote on the bill passed by the Senate to avert a government shutdown, that bill would become law. And that, more likely than not, is how this will end. The only question is when.”
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/30/house-clean-continuing-resolution_n_4014229.html

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  20. Gregory Avatar

    At the moment, according to Gallup, 25% of the uninsured are planning on just paying the fine, and only 31% of the 18 to 29 bracket are even aware they will have to pay a fine or buy an approved Obamacare policy in the next 3 months.
    Obama is sending hither swarms of Navigators to harass our kids, and eat out their substance. When the kids see the bill, say $200 a month and still have many thousands of dollars out of pocket for a worst case, vs a $100 fine once a year, and they can buy insurance later even if they get diagnosed with something horrible, I doubt the Obama administration designed policy will look good.

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  21. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Mr. Gregory:
    “If more decide just to bail with the yearly $100 tax,”
    Stop right here. The Supreme Court may call it a tax, but it is not a tax. Its is a penalty. Strike that. It’s not a penalty, its called “the shared responsibility payment.”
    So, how do will get the youngin’s to pay for us old folks that are heading to the Marble Orchard after our stint in Wrinkle Village? A 91 clam/year shared responsibility payment for the entire year ain’t going to cover one month of my medical expenses. Sure, the payment will increase year after year…to something like 160 clams/year.
    Its hard enough to get those with underdeveloped frontal lobes (no, not libs in general, but America’s youth)…er…those youngins to pick up after themselves and pay their car insurance and hand held gizmo monthly bills on time, not to mention adding another $230/month health insurance payment onto the burden. Might cut into their Saturday night money to go see Dilbert and the Net Zeros or some other important band nobody every heard of. Priorities you know.
    So, when the Obamacare plan that looked sooooo good on the drawing board hits Murphy’s Law, our Lords and Masters will turn their attention to folks that have a base salary of 46k/year.That’s when I will be hotter than a goat’s butt in a pepper patch.
    Now, Mister Anderson:
    “I personally believe we developed language because of our deep inner need to complain.”
    ― Jane Wagner, The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe
    “Never tell your problems to anyone…20% don’t care and the other 80% are glad you have them.”
    ― Lou Holtz

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  22. Gregory Avatar

    “I am astonished that Greg is worried about my health. I am worried about his health as well. Mental health care is covered under the Affordable Care Act and his pre-exsiting [sic] condition would be covered under the new law. I hope Greg seeks help.”
    This was, of course, yet another false and defamatory statement by the CEO of the so-called Sierra Business Council of Truckee, California, meant only to damage my reputation. Mr. Frisch, at last inspection, is paid over $100k a year for his expertise, sleep deprived or not.
    There’s a long history among totalitarians of declaring their enemies to be mentally ill and in need of care. If you can’t make them look ridiculous, declare them to be crazy.
    “Just for his edification I rise every morning a little before 5 am.”
    Well, then the other day, when you posted a long missive after 3AM you really were running low on sleep. That explains your outbursts quite nicely.

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  23. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    The young folks do not have to pay the “shared responsibility payment” if they make so little that they are not required to file a Federal Income Tax Return, aka, students, actors, and little Stevie playing his Grand Theft Auto game as we speak. Thus, they don’t have to sign up for Obamacare.
    Everybody has to be insured does not mean everybody.

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  24. Gregory Avatar

    Paul, I’d be harder on the Republicans playing Thelma & Louise with the Continuing Resolution if there had been an actual budget passed within memory by both chambers of Congress and signed by the President.
    Under the Constitution the Speaker has the power to do what he is doing, and his caucus is pushing him to do it. Yes, elections do have consequences and in the bad old days of real Budgets, this would be happening on the front end of the expenditures and not the back end, but that power resides with the Speaker for good reason.

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  25. rlcrabb Avatar

    Another Jane Wagner quote, Mr. Tozer, and one of my favorites…
    “No matter how cynical you get, it’s impossible to keep up.”

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  26. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Posted by: Gregory | 01 October 2013 at 01:13 PM
    Greg, I think it is possible for you to be both proven ridiculous and rightfully denounced as a lunatic at the same time. As a scientist I am sure you acknowledge the possibility.
    Re: posting at 3:44 am the other morning, I had a meeting in San Francisco at 8:30 am., so really I was just at the beginning of my day. An hour to read an eat breakfast, 1/2 hour to shower and dress, 3.5 hours to drive to the city, and a day of meetings, 3.5 hours home.
    What’s the matter, you can’t do farmers hours if you take your Haldol and have a shot of Bourbon at night?
    By the way, class and income jealousy don’t wear well on you, you look like a commie!

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  27. Gregory Avatar

    Steven Frisch, it’s been obvious by all readers here that you have no class to be envious of. It’s been clear from your NH2020 days through the Prop 23 campaign, to your two-faces shown in the local blogs, that you’re paid for your ability to say what you should know what isn’t true.

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  28. fish Avatar
    fish

    Gee guys Even Mitch McConnell is in favor of an up or down vote, which would end the standoff in the house.
    Perhaps Mr. McConnell should run for a house seat then. Until then….tell him to call someone who cares.
    Boehner is toast on this one..
    See something good has come from the shutdown.
    PS: Paul the federal government has shutdown…..and yet you summoned the courage to come out from under the bed….well done stout fellow!

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  29. Gregory Avatar

    fish… Occupy the Memorial is in full swing. Oh, the humanity!, they just knocked over the barriers and barged right in.
    http://freebeacon.com/wwii-vets-knock-over-shutdown-barrier-to-visit-wwii-memorial/
    Boehner may be on the way out but if he goes, he’ll be taking Obama with him.
    http://freebeacon.com/woodward-if-shutdown-or-debt-ceiling-causes-economic-crisis-its-on-the-presidents-head/

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  30. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    This is getting good. I see Steve has decided that if we put a question mark on it, we can make all sorts of unfounded accusations. I’m sure he wouldn’t mind having some of that thrown his way as well. Right. That still leaves your statement that you don’t believe me. Then you want me to present my facts. I see a large disconnect here. I take everyone that posts here at their word, even if I don’t agree with them. That includes you, Steve. BTW – I just Googled the name of the company she worked for with ‘health care’. Several ‘stories’ as you call them filled the screen about the folks being dumped because of the coming highly increased costs of health care. Maybe Steve thinks they are all lying as well. And just today, Oblamer was crowing about how cheap health care is now because of ACA.

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  31. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Posted by: Gregory | 01 October 2013 at 01:40 PM
    Actually Greg, my positions and my philosophy have been remarkably consistent from 2000 to today. You just disagree with them. Nothing wrong with that, I just learned a long time ago that at this site mere disagreement was reason for the posters here to ridicule, attack, lie, name call, demean, propagandize and slander. Thus you are all relegated to “Crazy Country” in my browser, making me chuckle over coffee in the morning, and collective irrelevance in our community.
    You merely get it back in exponential measure because you are the biggest psychotic ass here.

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  32. fish Avatar
    fish

    Boehner may be on the way out but if he goes, he’ll be taking Obama with him.
    I WILL NOT TOLERATE YOU GETTING MY HOPES UP GREGORY!
    Wow a two-fer…the wailing and gnashing of teeth in your neck of the woods would be positively deafening.

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  33. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Scott, you are right, I don’t believe you, as was evident by my question. I was merely pointing out that you defined my statement as declarative and quoted it out of context.
    If you are so sure you are correct, why not post the name of the company? Are you sure this was not a decision by the company to not invest in the health care of their employees? Or an excuse to cut them to part time? If you believe the premise of American democracy is that the free market system works in its own self interest, and that is what makes us strong and free, why is it such a stretch to think that a company would cut health care rather than pay, because they perceive it to be in their self-interest? Perhaps this was really a case of a company looking out for their short term gain rather than their long term best interests? Perhaps you should post the name of the company and we can do our own research?

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  34. Gregory Avatar

    “Actually Greg, my positions and my philosophy have been remarkably consistent from 2000 to today.”
    I guess you are already in need of that nappy-poo, Steve, because I didn’t claim any different. I agree, you have been continuously two-faced and able to speak falsehoods with a straight face since I first became aware of you.

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  35. Gregory Avatar

    A note about the Obamacare pre-existing condition policies that have been written since January… listening to a bit of the Tom Sullivan radio slot today, the news is that the average payout per pre-existing policy has been an annualized $36,000. $500 a month payment for an expected $3000 per month return is a damn good deal when you can get it but not a great business model that you can’t make up with volume. Fortunately, for now, there’s enough other customers to cover the loss but in general, Obamacare is a net transfer from the young to the old and from the middle class to the poor.

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  36. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Posted by: Gregory | 01 October 2013 at 02:20 PM
    That’s the difference between you and me Greg, you hear someone who disagrees with you and you think they are a liar; I hear someone who disagrees and think they are either stupid or uninformed.
    That’s why you need Haldol and I drink vodka, you assume a world of evil and I assume a world of ignorance.

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  37. Gregory Avatar

    Wow.
    So, Steven Frisch, you still claim those NH2020 town hall meetings were not “facilitated” by the SBC to predetermined outcomes decided behind closed doors?
    Amazing.

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  38. fish Avatar
    fish

    I hear someone who disagrees and think they are either stupid or uninformed.
    Teacher always told you you were just the smartest little boy in class didn’t she Steve?
    Putz.

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  39. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    PaulE says in an earlier post. “more on the up or down vote denied by the pubs in the house. Enough pubbers woul support the “clean” bill if allowed to vote. Boehner is toast on this one, Just wait. He can’t win either way it goes.”
    Did I miss a vote in the House? It is my understanding the R’s voted four times on the CR alone this week. It is my understanding the D’s upon Harry Reid’s orders are not allowing a “conference” as the Constitution requires. So PaulE, straighten me out here. Also, PaulE you call the R’s “pubbers” an obviuous slam of course,. what do you call the democrats?

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  40. Gregory Avatar

    Regarding lying, you also can’t both just be a regular guy reading the newspaper and commenting, and then, a couple years later crowing about how you’d been an insider helping to write regulations for a couple of years.
    The alcoholics I’ve known have assured me that Vodka is their preferred beverage because of the comparative lack of odor. Somehow, I’m not surprised. Enjoy.

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  41. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    That is the beautiful thing about America Greg, a regular guy can participate in their democracy.

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  42. Gregory Avatar

    “Regular guys” don’t write crap about people in one forum while pretending to be nice in another.
    They also don’t claim to be outsiders in the local newspaper while being an insider.
    The false claims I’m am or should be a psychiatric patient are also getting quite old. If you don’t mind, what is the preferred mailing address for a request to your board to cease and desist?

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  43. Paul Emery Avatar

    Todd 3:15
    Well noted Todd. My preference is to call them both Republicrats since they’re both wings of the same fat bird. Will that work for you? Perhaps left wing-right wing would work but it’s a bit wordy. How about Dems and Pubs, both derivative of more formal nomenclature. Variations can be Dems, Demo’s, Demsters, Pubs, Pubbers, repubs, pubsters. I’m open for ideas. All in all Republicrats works in general when describing our one party system participants. Remember, the need each other to wage a tussle like professional wrestlers.

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  44. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    How about your quote PaulE about the vote. Are you making that up? Apparently.

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  45. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    I give you what I get from Greg, you want to be treated with respect, give some respect, or STFU when I post and it does not specifically mention you. Otherwise try to sue me big guy, I am not afraid. What a child.
    Posted by: Gregory | 01 October 2013 at 04:03 PM

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  46. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    SteveF has made an ass out of himself on many of these forums. He is the “wiki” king and pretends to be smart. We all have a good chuckle at the knucklehead. Trying to tell us he was an innocent bystander on 23 while he was promoting it all over the place. He is simply no better than any politician from the left.

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  47. George Rebane Avatar

    I see that the discussion has descended into pure vituperation, vilification, with a large dollop of ad hominems for good measure. I wonder if anyone thinks they’re winning this mudball contest, or maybe everyone thinks they’re on top of this exchange. Best of all worlds.

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  48. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    George, I have to say, you host some of the finest flame wars on the Internet, and I’m going all the way back to Usenet days. It’s even better that some of the folks who flame here (me included) kinda sorta know our flamees and in a small town that makes it all the riper.
    Unfortunately, there are really only two methods for you to deal with this, as the host. Continue on as you doing and allow all comments to go unchallenged by you, or turn this into a moderated blog and radically incise the bits that deviate from the subject matter.
    But to add a tsk, tsk here and a tongue cluck there really doesn’t do it. You have to take control George, or allow the inmates to continue to run the asylum. Your choice.

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