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George Rebane

51st_StateEight counties in northeastern Colorado are looking at the possibility of becoming the nation’s 51st state.  Like so many idyllic locales in the country, Colorado’s population corridor along the eastern slope of the Rockies has been successfully invaded by progressives immigrating from places like California where they have managed to soil their own nest.  And like in California, huge sections of Colorado now suffer taxation and regulation without representation from Denver.  So, these eight counties are exploring ways to again become free to pursue their own ideas of life, liberty, and property.

RR readers are familiar with the Great Divide debate that is growing across America as socialism’s autocracy reaches its tentacles into the last lairs of self-reliance and entrepreneurship.  (See the Great Divide category link in the right panel.)  The Colorado Eight are just the latest jurisdictions to express their yearning for a future not destined for a coerced comprehensive collectivism.  (more here, and google ‘8 counties, Colorado’)

These eight counties may be on to something that can help preserve the Union, albeit in a restructured way that allows the Great Experiment bequeathed by our Founders to continue.  To the idea of breakaway counties forming their own state (a la West Virginia), I offer that restructuring could come about in certain cases where such counties abut a neighboring state more congenial to the culture and values of such disenchanted populations.  In the case of Colorado, these eight counties might consider appealing to Wyoming, if such a realignment is mutually attractive.

Here in California most of the more sparsely populated inland counties already stand raped by regulations from Sacramento and Washington.  We have little in common with the liberal legions that dominate the coastal areas, and the two big metropolitan regions of the state.  The new state of Sierra(?) is beginning to look better by the day.

There is no guarantee that such a restructuring will work because socialism is a disease powered by ideological evangelism – ‘We know what’s best for you, or else.’  And it spreads virally, appealing to the under-educated with promises of redistribution and through co-opting public education to manufacture more of the under-educated.  But then again, we can dream …

[31jul13 update]  For completeness, this contribution to RR’s Great Divide category was meant to elicit inputs from the Left that illustrate what drives such a notion of self-governance in the America of the 21st century.  As of this writing it has done so in spades.


While the main implication of the Great Divide has been some new form of the Union that may include restructuring itself as a confederation of groups of more ideologically cohesive states, some considerable number of Americans have also actively been advancing proposals for the secession of their several states.  Dr Walter Williams, the John M. Olin Distinguished Professor of Economics at George Mason University, writes in ‘Secession: It’s Constitutional’

Since Barack Obama’s re-election, hundreds of thousands of petitioners for secession have reached the White House. Some people have argued that secession is unconstitutional, but there’s absolutely nothing in the Constitution that prohibits it. What stops secession is the prospect of brute force by a mighty federal government, as witnessed by the costly War of 1861.

Secession has again emerged as an active topic of discussion on governance among Americans who reflect on the progress of the Great Experiment while we scale historical heights of ideological polarity as a nation.  In response to the pro/con commentaries and initiatives surrounding this issue, the Left has become apoplectic, as we will soon examine.  But before we get there I’d like to add to the record a thoughtful essay on the matter by historian Brion McClanahan in which he examines ‘Is Secession Legal?’

So, where are we on this current posting?  First, let’s recall that the topic I introduced above and wished readers to consider is not secession, but instead the alternative of restructuring the Union as is being variously proposed today, most recently in the reported eight counties of Colorado.  What I wanted to illustrate by this piece is the major force that motivates tens of millions of Americans to now openly talk about such initiatives and examine ways of achieving a more perfect Union.  And that force is the response of the Left which arises out of their profound ignorance about the workings of a democracy, especially as it has exercised itself over the life of this democratic republic.  An example of such a response has now presented itself in the comment stream.

While not being unique in any sense as evidenced by his like-minded brethren, I’d like to highlight the comments of Mr Steven Frisch on this topic (here and over the years elsewhere in these pages).  I pick on Steven Frisch because of the sustained virulence of his remarks (aka attacks) that illustrate the progressive mentality about the notion of the Great Divide.  As the CEO of a politically and ideologically active NGO, Mr Frisch is also viewed by many progressives hereabouts as being a leading intellect in their midst so that his words may be taken to represent a sort of pinnacle of thinking from that considerable quarter.

Nevertheless, from his remarks over the years we find that he is poorly read, for he keeps ignoring the national mood on the Great Divide and believes that the entire notion is a hare-brained idea cooked up by yours truly, alone on a forested ridge in our backwoods community.  As do all progressives looking for a fundamental transformation of America, he believes himself to be the true patriot and a cut above the rest.  From his commentary we see that he considers himself beyond enquiry about another’s arguments, and gratuitously supplies what others have really said and thought.  It is with those convenient strawmen that he likes to do battle, and over whom he then celebrates his victories.

His profound ignorance of American history and questions of constitutionality is about on par with the cohort he represents.  Samplings from such ignorance adorn his main thrust, which for reasons beyond specious is to attack the messenger for even daring to raise the topic of the Great Divide.

In his diatribe you will note that he has not understood the subject of the post, or what are the sentiments of the Coloradans in the eight counties.  In his auto-apoplectic state he instead quotes the oath taken by naturalized citizens like me, impugning that somehow introducing commentary and providing a discussion forum for what is going on in the country is treasonous and lese majesty to everything American.  And then ascending ever higher on the steps of hubris, he again invites me to go back to Estonia – “you can renounce your American citizenship and get the hell out of my country.”

Did you notice the “my country”?  In his froth he overlooks that he was born into MY country, for I was an American before him, and those like me worked hard to preserve and present him with a nation that he and his are now deconstructing.

But perhaps the real pinnacle of his ignorance is his sneering counsel to salve the grievances of the hundreds of thousands of American petitioners, including the Coloradans, by advising them, “I would have them vote George. I would have them vote.”  This as if these people have not been voting desperately all of their lives.

What the Frisches of America don’t understand is that carelessly tended democracies come to a time in their evolution at which a minority becomes permanently disenfranchised.  In short, a point is passed after which voting no longer works as the proponents and recipients of ever more comprehensive wealth transfer pogroms irrevocably tip the scales.  I believe, with accelerating technology, public education in the toilet, and systemic unemployment growing, that we may be past that point now.

What puts paid to this assessment is the unfettered control that the leftwing elites exert on an electorate with a huge and growing component of oblivians and the un/under-educated.  Nevertheless, there are at least one hundred million Americans who see the country as having gone terribly wrong, and who are desperately seeking ways to bring back the American dream which is no longer known nor shared by the majority.

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213 responses to “The Great Divide through Restructuring? (updated 31jul13)”

  1. fish Avatar
    fish

    I wish them much success….but I don’t see it happening. To set precedent here might start others thinking…….and lord knows we can’t have that!

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  2. Russ Steele Avatar

    it will be interesting to see how the opposition emerges and grows to this idea. We may learn a lot in the process. Some times the first try fails, but the second and subsequent succeed. Interesting times ahead.

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  3. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    “Is this the 51st state?”
    No, it is not.

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  4. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    George,
    Have you ever lived in Colorado?
    Are you from California?
    So I find it a bit ironic that you are writing about Californians leaving the state because the non stop migration of those like yourself to our home state has pushed many long time residents out to states that still have that smaller population and open space feel. I have lived in CA off and on for around 30 years of my life and split the rest of the time between Colorado and Hawaii.

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  5. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Well, how many ways is this post just another example of ‘conservatarian’ fantasy?
    Let’s start with the landscape strewn with fantasies of a 51st state breaking off. I sometimes think the ‘lost states of the United States’ are more numerous than the lost tribes of Israel. Deseret, LIncoln, Jefferson, Texlahoma, Superior, Long Island, Cascadia, Ecotopia, Islandia; each, in different ways, has risen and fallen in peoples hopes and in the case of the last two, utopian fictions.
    Next lets ask, is Colorado not a state governed by a Constitution? Don’t people in the aggrieved ‘eight counties’ vote, as part of a state? Elect representatives as part of a state? Doesn’t Article III of that state Constitution distribute powers in the state? and Article V. apportion representation? In what world do, “huge sections of Colorado now suffer taxation and regulation without representation from Denver”? Only in ‘conservatarian’ fantasy land.
    And when did we forget the conditions under which West Virginia succeeded from Virginia? The secession of West Virginia was affected during the most difficult and bloody Constitutional crises the nation ever faced, was precipitated by the calling of a state convention of all of Virginia to secede from the Union, and was made operational by the occupation of northwestern Virginia by the Army of the Potomac under George McClellan. How soon we forget.
    I wonder how the new state of “Sierra” is going to support itself, since it receives almost twice as much tax revenue as it pays.
    And in what world are we as citizens “free to pursue their own ideas of life, liberty, and property.” Secession in your mind is all about this concept of people being free to live in a place where “their own ideas of life, liberty and property” can be sacrosanct; the problem of course is that you, and all of us, live in a society, and in the USA we don’t get to choose those things for ourselves, we do so as a society. We live in a nation of law, under a Constitution.
    George several weeks ago you said that no one else has ever questioned your Americanism.
    Here is the verbatim [Todd, you may want to loo up ‘verbatim’] Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America, and oath that at one time I must surmise you took, since you are not a native born American citizen:
    “I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.”
    Defend the constitution and the laws [that includes state constitutions that apportion representation], all enemies foreign and domestic [that includes those who would reject those laws to define ‘rights’ in their own way].
    Here is how you can live under whatever rights you choose–you can renounce your American citizenship and get the hell out of my country. That would work. I hear Estonia is becoming a conservative paradise these days.

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  6. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    By the way I love the fact that one of the most laissez faire economies in the world today is Somalia, because they have almost no law; of course the per capita GDP is $333 per year and frankincense and myrrh are still major exports.

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  7. George Rebane Avatar

    stevenfrisch 1009pm – your comment is so idiotic that I think I’ll leave it up as a monument to you. But I will say that your understanding of the material posted on RR is rapidly approaching that of the FUE.
    What are people like you going to do with the thousands of Americans who live in those Colorado counties, who live in Texas looking at no less than secession, who live in …, have them deported also? You people are one scary bunch.

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  8. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    I would have them vote George. I would have them vote.

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  9. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Great exchange, guys. This is the meat, and the potatoes.
    Steve, my brother-in-law attorney was very disappointed last Friday when the Moonlight fire case he was representing for CalFire was thrown out by the nutty judge who didn’t want to empanel a jury because it would have “annoyed the locals.” Not sure what locals he was referring to, since the UPS and FedEx guys, as well as all the restaurants in Portola, were absolutely thrilled that a big case was going to bring lots of Big City money to the local community. Funny how people have different perceptions of “justice” and “equality.” Oh and yes, have them vote. As long as voting rights are not subject to a lack of equanimity.
    George, your fever dreams are becoming more egregious. Is everything OK? Are you sure you shouldn’t be living in Grass Valley instead of Nevada City? After all, Nevada City is the Bezerkley of the foothills, and for Christ’s sake why park yourself next to all of these kooks??

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  10. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    North Colorado has nice ring to it. North Colorada has an even better ring to it. Looks more like Kansas out there than the Rockies anyway.
    I see the first problem. Where is the Capitol going to be? Surely the township of Greeley does not sound like a Capitol City. Sounds more like a place where the old grange hall is still rocking on Saturday night. On second thought, Greeley might be the perfect name for the Capitol reflecting the good citizens of the current NE Colorada.
    The second issue is will the folks in NE Colorada still be Broncos fans? These are serious considerations that effect the most crucial aspect of living in Colorada. I figure once a Broncos fan, always a Bronco fan. Never heard of a former Broncos fan, have you? Still, this issue is of great importance and could be a deal breaker if Denver tries some dirty tricks by raising season ticket prices for the good folks who reside in North Colorada.
    The third consideration which must be worked out is what kind of food are they going to serve in jail.. I hope it as good as the healthy chef salads they serve in Boulder County jail, not those horrible burned rice and bean quasi burritos they serve in Durgano. Yuck. The good citizens must address paramount issues before moving forward.

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  11. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Tozer continues to rock the comedy. Hat tip, my friend.

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  12. Ryan Mount Avatar

    Michael> and for Christ’s sake why park yourself next to all of these kooks??
    Well speaking for myself, I enjoy real-life Bertolt Brecht play aspect of Nevada City Live unfolding in real time. And heck, I don’t have to sit in an ass-aching chair for 3 hours and be attacked by the Epic Theater actors.
    Exit question though: who’s playing the Nevada City equivalent of Mack the Knife? Me? I’m trying desperately to be Mother Courage, and failing. That may or may not be a good thing.
    And Mr. Tozer, excellent commentary. My guess is that they’d be Broncos fans, but not allowed to throw hot dogs and beer during local games, unless the Raiders are in town.

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  13. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Now the posters are giving this farcical idea the appropriate level of scrutiny it deserves! It is comedy.
    Isn’t Reinette Macheath?

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  14. fish Avatar
    fish

    By the way I love the fact that one of the most laissez faire economies in the world today is Somalia, because they have almost no law; of course the per capita GDP is $333 per year and frankincense and myrrh are still major exports.
    ROADZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  15. Ryan Mount Avatar

    Don’t let another vacation be ruined! Travel to Somalia!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QDv4sYwjO0

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  16. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    I ran across this little explanation of how we got here and thought some of you might enjoy it:
    http://thebreakthrough.org/index.php/journal/issue-3/post-truth-pluralism/

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  17. fish Avatar
    fish

    Thanks for the advocacy piece Steve.
    Progressives are right that we increasingly live in a post-truth era, but rather than rejecting it and pining nostalgically for a return to a more truthful era we must instead navigate the post-truth era to advance liberal values.
    Although in order to advance the discussion we should really flesh out the definitions of both “liberal” and “progressive” as they aren’t synonymous.

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  18. Gregory Avatar

    I get busy for a couple days and the place goes crazy. So many straw men, so little time.
    Even Frisch understands laissez faire isn’t a synonym for lawless anarchy, but won’t let that get in the way of making a false point against his usual targets. Somalia doesn’t regulate commerce because it’s a failed state, not the other way around.
    Regarding the Colorado counties that are unhappy with their Californication, they don’t have a snowball’s chance in Vegas of becoming a new state but with uniting in that cause they may have a chance in back against Denver’s policies.

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  19. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    “We have little in common with the liberal legions that dominate the coastal areas” The liberal legions are everywhere because the conservative gangs are few in number, few in population, and so distant from the thinking of most Americans as to be irrelevant except in their own venues, like this one, or in congress which was purchased courtesy of the Roberts court. BTW, the fascist members of the supremes are now looking at eliminating individual campaign donation limits which are now at $5 million per person per two year election cycle. How many Americans can afford to donate $5mil anyway? Plutocracy at work. Record heat waves all over the planet from Alaska to Siberia to China, but climate change isn’t really happening and of course, it certainly isn’t the result of petroleum based products spewing into the atmosphere. We all now know that climate change is Obama’s doing as is herpes, insanity, bad breathe (sic) and the Californication of the western United States. If Romney would have won would conservatives be screaming about the Aspenification of Redding?

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  20. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Mr. Koyote, Too much poison oak in Redding. Now, if the Apenification of Redding means getting rid of the plague, the scourge, the menace known as poison oak, then count me in. I don’t care if black helicopters spray herbicide on the red leaves or crews from the Conservation Corps hand pull it out. Just get rid of it for once and for all. Ever hear of an Aspen skier with poison oak covering his crotch?? Bet you haven’t. Aspenifcation of Redding now!

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  21. fish Avatar
    fish

    Again…..a powerful message from Joe Koyote! Now here’s Bob with the weather!

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  22. Walt Avatar

    Hummmm… If this actually works, maybe Ca. will follow in CO.’s foot steps.
    The dividing line can be the Eastern foot of the Coast range mountains.
    A good portion of the state is actually red, but the big city populations
    are calling the shots for the rest of the state. So,,, let them have the sliver
    of the state they reside in.
    In the past, it was a North / South deviation. If that plan is followed,
    be sure to keep S.F. and Berkeley on the Southern side.
    Rough&Ready can be the new state Capital. ( as reminder that we actually pulled it off….for a while)
    Or Maybe LIBS want to remove that bit of history, and add it to their book of revisionism. ( as in,,, “never happened”)
    Yes,, we had government intrusion and over taxation way back when.

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  23. Ryan Mount Avatar

    This is far more interesting than this North Colorado business:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_%28Pacific_state%29
    They’ll actually pulled out their guns! Good times, Noodle Salad I say!
    Upsides for a new state of Jefferson: We get a 51st State and finally an odd number of members in the Union, which means we’ll probably have a 52nd because Americans hate odd numbers of anything. Note: I vote for annexing Arkansas to bring the number back down to 50 rather than upping it to 52. Can we vote a State out of the Union?
    Downsides: The new State capital will be Yreka. We will have 51 States (see above).

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  24. Gregory Avatar

    “Record heat waves all over the planet from Alaska to Siberia to China, but climate change isn’t really happening and of course, it certainly isn’t the result of petroleum based products spewing into the atmosphere.”
    Stierscheisse. Where do you get that stuff?
    The arctic is having a record cool summer, the antarctic has record ice extent for their winter, an Alaskan lottery (Nenana Ice Classic) based on when their river ice broke up had the latest breakup in over a century and even James Hansen, in a paper published in January, was forced to note that the 5 year averaged temps had been flat for 10 years.
    That’s all just weather.
    A link for temps for the arctic circle is
    http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
    It’s already the coolest summer since 1958 when the DMI’s records start, and looks to be on track for the melt season to only be about a third as long as has been the average for that time.
    JK, this is good news. The sky is not falling. You can safely ignore the Chicken Littles you’ve been listening to.

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  25. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    If the arctic is having a record cool summer, why is the North Pole a lake? Does it always turn into a lake in the summer? from your friends a Fox news
    http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/07/26/north-pole-now-lake

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  26. fish Avatar
    fish

    I wonder how the new state of “Sierra” is going to support itself, since it receives almost twice as much tax revenue as it pays.
    I hadn’t seen this in the thread and was surprised (I should slow down when I read) that it hadn’t turned up. Thanks Steve….. wouldn’t want to leave any trope un-uttered!

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  27. George Rebane Avatar

    fish 224pm – thanks for bringing up that quote from Frisch’s 1009pm; I forgot to include it in the 31jul13 update that highlights the man’s depleted arguments. What Team Frisch fails to understand is that the new state of Sierra would have co-equal representation in Congress, and thereby receive whatever federal funding Washington deigns to sprinkle over the several states. At every turn, his fundamental understanding of how America works comes up short.
    Administrivia – I have posted the 31jul13 update to this commentary.

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  28. fish Avatar
    fish

    At every turn, his fundamental understanding of how America works comes up short.
    Unfortunately I think his “understanding” of America as it is today is spot on as it relates to Washingtons “largesse”, and like any junkie…. getting through the early days of withdrawal would be miserable. They would be far better off in the long run.

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  29. Gregory Avatar

    “If the arctic is having a record cool summer, why is the North Pole a lake? Does it always turn into a lake in the summer? ” JK
    “Damn, what a gullible breed…” – Agent Kay
    JK, while that camera was placed on ice when it was at the North Pole, it was 300 miles away when the picture was taken.
    In addition, sea ice moves and (hold your breath) there’s less of it in mid summer.
    I don’t know about you but where I grew up, a body of water 1 foot deep was referred to as a “puddle”, and yes, puddles form on sea ice in midsummer. The DMI figure is an average over all the Arctic above the 80th parallel, and the warm spell that preceded the picture that camera took is called “weather”.

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  30. George Rebane Avatar

    fish 333pm – without putting too fine of a point on it, I believe that today America is not working, and Steve Frisch has no understanding of how it would work. But you are right in the “as it is today” department.

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  31. Barry Pruett Avatar

    Jim Reed (democrat assembly candidate) is actually working on this issue with a supervisor from Riverside and former state assemblyman Stan Statham.

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  32. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    I think America is never going to allow a state to divide into more. Just ain’t gonna happen.

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  33. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Regarding a previous comment about getting money from the feds. For every dollar New Mexico sends DC they get $2.03 back. California is 43rd with a return of .78 cents. We have Difi and Babs Boxer and the largest Congressional House contingent yet a state with 10% of ours or less gets 3.5 times the return. California’s delegation is impotent. They show the fallacy of non-partisan as practiced by the democrat party. It they would represent our state as a California contingent we could get our money’s worth but with the democrats in charge we will never see that happen. Yet we keep sending DiFi and Babs and the other do nothing libs to DC. It is hopeless. See this chart.
    http://taxfoundation.org/article/federal-taxing-and-spending-benefit-some-states-leave-others-paying-bill-1

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  34. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Stan Statham has tried the California Bana split before. I supported but the first time and I would probably help this time but it will not happen.

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  35. George Rebane Avatar

    ToddJ 659pm – Nowhere here do I hold out promise for such splits or restructurings, only a hope that we might at least give it a fair hearing in the public square.

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  36. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    “…only a hope that we might at least give it a fair hearing in the public square.”
    Why?

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  37. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Why? Because anyone who looks art the California Government can see why. Dems have had the state Assembly for fifty years (save one) and the Senate for longer. A one party hegemony and all the rest of th state is screwed. I suppose MA likes those LA politicians dictating our local issues but many of us don’t. I am heartened though by the victory of an R in the Senate from Bakersfield. A lock for dems was breached. Burt the D’s still have a super majority.
    Oh, and one other reason we are screwed in our state. The Legislature is the only body that can call a Constitutional Convention.

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  38. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Todd, the reason the Democrats have a super majority is because the California Republicans screwed the pooch. I have no illusion that the pendulum does not swing. But at the moment, you are on the wrong side of the pit.
    BTW, it’s not just LA politicos, it’s the entire West Coast. Places like Eureka, Point Arena, Marin County, the entire fucking Bay Area (where buttloads of money generate), San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara, Ventura, LA (as you noted), and the huge San Diego metropolis.
    You’re a guy plunkin’ away on the monkey drum from the middle of nowhere. When you go to Sacto, the suits look the other way, pretending you must be from Alabama.
    You should try another tactic. Oh, and BTW, I have that Burning Man ticket you requested. Let’s hook up for coffee so we can discuss how you’re going to fluff your camp. Peace out.

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  39. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Todd, just get a motel room. Its cheaper than the 650 smackers they are asking for Burning Man. But, if you and Mr. Anderson went camping and you woke up with a hickie on your neck, would you post it on RR? Inquiring minds would like to know. If not, lets go camping!
    Back to my dear misunderstood friend, Mr. J Koyote, who temporarily veered us off the important topic at hand:
    http://www.livescience.com/38589-north-pole-lake-disappears.html
    There Mr. Koyote, you got your 15 minutes of fame. Now if Northern California split with Southern California, the first thing we should do is cut off any water flowing south until they fill every darn swimming pool in the LA Basin with dirt. Make that organic dirt. Call it going green. Then, if they are behaved, turn the water back on but sparingly.

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  40. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Mister Tozer,
    A stud like Todd will get more than a hickey at Burning Man, of that I can assure you. Just ask TSA! A solid package from stem to stern. But I would definitely suggest that Todd use some sort of prophylactic. After all, Safety Third!!
    Bacon candy and fries, yours for the asking. All you have to do is fill out the appropriate request form.
    Michael A.

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  41. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Dr. Rebane, thank you for pointing out the errors of my ways. By-Gum is actually a settlement in Kenya. As used in the English language I have researched its use.
    Origin
    It is known since the early 19th century, as in this example from James Kirke Paulding (a.k.a. ‘Bull-Us, Hector’), 1815:
    “By gum, that’s jist what I want you to tell me, I swow.”
    It is still in use in the north of England, although would be considered archaic elsewhere.
    Thus, the term is relegated to the Dust Bin of history. I wonder when the noun “dustbin” will also be relegated or delegated to the dustbin of history as well, by golly.
    Be that as it may, insurance companies and employers have already started the War on Fat People. First it was a clandestine guerrilla operation, but now the movement has picked up steam and is coming to the forefront. Its coming by hook or by crook or whatever antediluvian phrase you choose. It started with the War on Poverty and ends up as the War on the Obese. Wonder if that means the War Poverty was successful. Either way they ain’t going to mess with my bacon, no way nohow.

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  42. fish Avatar
    fish

    I wonder when the noun “dustbin” will also be relegated or delegated to the dustbin of history as well, by golly?
    Let’s hope it’s not soon or Michael is so screwed!

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  43. Paul Emery Avatar

    Gosh George
    Any idea where I can move where I won’t have to pay for the unconstitutional wars started by he Bush administration?

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  44. fish Avatar
    fish

    Any idea where I can move where I won’t have to pay for the unconstitutional wars started by he Bush administration?
    Well when you find it let us know.

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  45. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Michael Anderson | 31 July 2013 at 09:02 PMI
    I appreciate the the proposition of Michael in fondling but I have to pass Mikie, I like girls. But have at it at the Burning Man perv gathering. Better have a zipper on your tent door.
    California has a democrat majority which is actually a plurality. All the indies and the green and the incarcerated pervs (your favorite segment Mikie) are unable to win and their votes allow the democrats to win all the seats. Simple to figure out Mikie but I know you know that since you are a “smart” guy. Too funny, you are, as Yoda would say.

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    Paul Emery | 01 August 2013 at 10:37 AM
    Move to Crawford, Texas PaulE.

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  47. Paul Emery Avatar

    Are they a no war tax zone Todd?

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  48. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1037am – I’d consider the same place you moved to after the Gulf of Tonkin.

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    George 11:29 AM
    You’d think the American public would have been wise after Tonkin but they proved their dumbness by being suckered into the war in Iraq. I’m confident it will happen again.

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  50. fish Avatar
    fish

    You’d think the American public would have been wise after Tonkin but they proved their dumbness by being suckered into the war in Iraq. I’m confident it will happen again.
    I am too….but it really isn’t the same public is it?

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