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George Rebane

Obamacare3You really can’t make up the stuff that rolls out of what passes for brains inside the Beltway.  The ads SecHHS Sebelius is making to attract young people who neither need nor want health insurance, especially of the Obamacare variety, are designed to appeal to mental profiles that range between the innocent altruistic and the terminally imbecilic.  A cognitive niche well frequented by politicians, demagogues, and other salesmen of various stripe.

But the latest batch from Team Obama to be crying bloody murder at the prospect of getting f@#&*d over by Obamacare is the National Treasury Employees Union.  This is the IRS union that will now represent the 16,000+ additional IRS numb nuts to crack the whip over the rest of us who have to comply with Obamacare’s diktats.  Those union guys know what a pile of crap our new healthcare law is, and they want no part of it.  So they are appealing to anyone who will listen at the White House for the messiah to have mercy and include them in the growing legions of leftwingers who want a pass on Obamacare.

Their arguments are all the same – ‘we paid plenty to get your butt elected.  You were bought and paid for, now deliver!’  After applying the Pelosi Principle to the unaffordable care act, everyone with a couple of neurons to rub together wants to climb on the already crowded Exemption Express.

If the Republicans can’t make hay with these kinds of political miracles coming their way, then …, oh never mind.

[31jul13 update]  The daily dose of Obamacare atrocities just grows as the revelatory Pelosi Principle is applied to those thousands of pages.  The newest is something called the 340B program for hospitals about which Dr Scott Gottlieb writes, “The 340B program was meant to help about 90 hospitals buy drugs to treat the poor. Now 1,675 hospitals qualify.”  Read ‘How Obamacare Hurts Patients’, it’ll curl your toes the wrong way.

This part of the Obamacare trainwreck is already driving the price of cancer treatment drugs through the roof and insurance coverage sky high for such drugs.  And then we come to the huge network of middle-men gamers that have suddenly appeared in the last year as this crap for law oozes across the land.

In the meantime our liberal rooting section is citing tearful anecdotes about people who have and are being helped through outlandish government subsidies, while they totally ignore the tens of thousands who will now die early cancer deaths as the 340B program kicks into high gear.  And we all (well, not the progressives) have to remember that this is one of hundreds of such buckets of legal, regulatory, administrative, additional fees, procedural, … crappola that we will be forced to wade through in the coming years, unless by some stroke of luck …

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82 responses to “Wanted by Obamacare: The young and the stupid (updated 31jul13)”

  1. Walt Avatar

    We are also hearing the people hired by “O” and Co. to help peddle
    his snake oil insurance plan can’t get the “mandated employer coverage”
    because they are being hired @ under the 30 hr. plan.
    Over half of the people are “temps”.
    I wonder if they will even make enough to be able to pay the individual mandated rate.
    BTW,,, that’s right here in Ca.

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  2. Russ Steele Avatar

    Investor Business Daily: ObamaCare’s Success Depends On The Young Being Stupid
    How long will it take for the young to figure this out, and tell all their Twitter pals how to game the Obama-Care system?
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/070213-662297-obamacare-gives-young-more-reasons-not-to-buy-coverage.htm#ixzz2aIaWVmDF
    I think the really stupid people are the Democratic Congressal members that voted for it in the first place and the Predident that signed it before understanding what was hidden in this thousand page liberal wet dream.

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  3. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Yeah, stupid Sheeple…thats it! Old people know better:)

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  4. George Rebane Avatar

    stevenfrisch 628pm – thank you Steve.

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  5. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Posted by: George Rebane | 27 July 2013 at 10:29 PM
    You are going to win a lot of converts to your point of view by telling people they are stupid George. I strongly suggest you continue to adpopt that strategy!

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  6. George Rebane Avatar

    stevenfrisch 1029pm – Didn’t know you would put yourself into that category; but you know best. Your recommendation is accepted.

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  7. fish Avatar
    fish

    George…you’re being far too harsh! I for one rest easy at night knowing that Sandra Fluke will have access to her “Cadillac” birth control pills on Steves dime.
    Does anyone know how this program will affect the Arawak indians?

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  8. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    I guess fish missed the point that Ms. Fluke’s birth control testimony was on behalf of students at Georgetown, including students who were prescribed birth control by doctors for medical issues other than family planning?
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/mar/06/context-sandra-fluke-contraceptives-and-womens-hea/
    Perhaps fish should read the whole testimony rather than relying on Rush to get it right.

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  9. Paul Emery Avatar

    Don’t worry George the pubbers will throw the fight next time around with another Romney, Ryan or Palin as an anchor around their necks. It is the failure of the Pubs to be a reasonable alternative that keeps the Dems in business. I’m not for either. I’m through with that and you should be as well.

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  10. Russ Steele Avatar

    Right on schedule, President Obama promised he would transform America, creating fairness for everyone.
    AP has the story: EXCLUSIVE: 4 IN 5 IN US FACE NEAR-POVERTY, NO WORK
    Four out of 5 U.S. adults struggle with joblessness, near poverty or reliance on welfare for at least parts of their lives, a sign of deteriorating economic security and an elusive American dream.
    Survey data exclusive to The Associated Press points to an increasingly globalized U.S. economy, the widening gap between rich and poor and loss of good-paying manufacturing jobs as reasons for the trend.

    More HERE.
    The big question is who will have any money to buy health insurance? The next question, how long before it is 5 out of 5 at the poverty level and Obama can declare total transformation victory?

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  11. fish Avatar
    fish

    I’m not for either. I’m through with that and you should be as well.
    Hahahahahahahahaahaahahahahahahhahahah! Ah…guitarzan you do brighten my day!
    Pubbers…..pure gold!

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  12. fish Avatar
    fish

    Perhaps fish should read the whole testimony rather than relying on Rush to get it right.
    Oh yes Steve…if we disagree with the establishment line it must be due to Limbaugh. I don’t listen…I do like Armstrong and Getty on 650 though!

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  13. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    You know fish it really does not matter what you listen to…you proved by your statement that you did not read or actually listen to Ms. Fluke’s testimony…if you had you would know that the issue of HER birth control, or even whether she she ever used birth control or not, never came up.
    So whether from Rush, or A & G, or here, or wherever, you have been the victim of propaganda.

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  14. fish Avatar
    fish

    ……you have been the victim of propaganda.

    Noooooooooooooo! Not a victim….not fish!!
    Is there any sort of federal program to which I can apply???!!!

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  15. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Fluke was a tool and it matters nopt about her personal desire for free condoms. She is simply a leftwing hack with a almost pretty face.

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  16. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    “Just last week, a married female student told me that she had to stop using contraception because she and her husband just couldn’t fit it into their budget any more. Women employed in low-wage jobs without contraceptive coverage face this same choice.”
    I’m surprised that 2 humans that stupid could even figure out how to engage in any activity that would involve birth control.
    This is why we need the left to post here. I’m constantly surprised by how lacking in basic common sense some folks are. Remember – these 2 humans have the right to vote. It explains why we have the govt we have.

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  17. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    ScottO, you are so right. I think this couple should practice what Obama is doing with our troops in Afghanistan and pull out. Oops, sorry.

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  18. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Mr. Obermuller. It is still legal for stupid people to breed. Can’t afford birth control? Try the rhythm method. Works if one has extreme self control and discipline.
    Another alternative that is quite inexpensive works great. Its just for men. Have the married man drop a small pebble in his shoe. Have him run or walk a few miles. When he gets home it is guaranteed to work. Makes one limp.

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  19. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    On a more light hearted note, people just cannot afford ObamaCare. Study after study shows that a person making over 37k a year will pay more. So, with 37k the dude or dudette must pay rent, food, gasoline and car insurance, pay on student loans AND is told their health insurance is going to cost them 400 or so clams a month?? The subsidy won’t help them and they are screwed. Take the tiny penalty and maybe things will get better next year. Oh, the dude or dudette can buy an ObamaCare policy for closer to 360/month, but it has a $3,200 deductible and where will they scrape together another 4k/year?? They are being corn holed with a wire brush.
    No, we are NOT in this together. Welfare Mamas and assorted low life dirt bags get a free ride while the recent college grad who has flipped burgers and washed dishes since he/she was 16 and finally found an entry level job are the one’s taking it in the poop chute. Not the ones laying on Mom’s couch playing video games.
    The person who sees his good benefit package skyrocket cause Obama says it is “not fair” and calls it a Cadillac plan is taking it where the sun does not shine. Everybody is getting reamed to insure the 10-15% who do not have health insurance. Sodomized big time. Your doc is quitting or can see you in 49 days. You pay more for less. No, we are Not in this together. Most of us are out cutting the fields while a tiny minority is sitting around the barn eating all the hay….and getting fat and lazy.
    No, we are NOT in this all together. Most of us are pushing the cart and a very small minority are in the cart being exactly like the dead weight they are.

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  20. Paul Emery Avatar

    Bill
    Characterizing women who are struggling to raise their children as “Welfare Mamas” degrades your message and casts doubt on your ablilty to comment on the very human need of universal health care.

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  21. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Paul: More proof that we are all not in this together. We pay for their housing, their healthcare, their food, their schooling. What more to they want? Give them an Obamaphone. Welfare mommas are the kind that take their kids to the ER to have a tick removed. Don’t cost them a dime. Maybe they should sell their food stamps (like they do anyway) and actually pay for a doctor’s visit. Universal? Its universal to them.

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  22. Paul Emery Avatar

    Bill
    They are raising children. Are you proposing those children have no health care?

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  23. Paul Emery Avatar

    Also Bill wouldn’t it be irresponsible not to take a child to the emergency room for tick removal since Limes disease is a severe and debilitating disease?

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  24. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Paul, I am saying that people on welfare or aid to dependent families already have universal health care. Its paid for by the universe. Taking a tick out is like putting a bandage on. Twist it, burn its butt, or even cover it with Vaseline until it backs out if you are squeamish. I have pulled out countless of those little things. Without running up to ER. At least they could go see their Nurse Practitioner since universal health care is leading us to them.
    I prefer to go see my doc, the one with Dr. in front of his name. I pay for that service. Sorry that some people get what they pay for. Its a crying shame.

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  25. Paul Emery Avatar

    I accompanied a friend to the ER for a tick removal and they not only removed the tick ut prescribed a healthy dose of antibiotics to insure protection against Limes disease. I assume that’s standard procedure. By the way, she was insured and her insurer was nicked for $1300 for the visit. It took about 15 minutes of actual procedure time.

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  26. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Paul, in case you think I do not understand the plight of a woman raising her kids, allow me to expound. People on welfare, aka, Aid to 100% Dependent Families are wards of the State. Wards of the State. Wards of the State receive state sponsored health care. That is why they call it Dependent families. They are dependents of the state, just like taking dependents on your tax returns. Dependents are covered by their Pappy.

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  27. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Yes. More information has come out concerning Lyme’s Disease. About 9% of the people exposed to Lyme’s actually get serious complications. Not fun. I stopped going to the ER when my insurance wanted me to pay a $75.00 co-pay. And they got nicked for a wad of greenies as well. That is why it is called health insurance, not health care.

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  28. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Not sure what your point is here, Bill. I think what Paul and I are talking about is a more efficient system.
    Yup, you’re right. There are people who are taking advantage of the system. Are you proposing to let them die if they can’t pay? Because if you’re not, then they are going to the ER and then I and others like me have to pay.
    Which is no longer acceptable. Which is the entire point behind PPACA. Which is why it is like a tsunami, drowning your silly has-been talking points like a clueless resort in Phuket.
    Dustbin of history, meet Mr. Tozer. Mr. Tozer, allow me to introduce you to my good friend, DBoH.

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  29. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    Mr. Anderson, my simple point is that wards of the state already have health care. That is a no brainer. Perhaps Paul objected to the term Welfare Momma, perhaps.
    Here is a social experiment. Go down to the River on hot weekend. Set up a booth and tell the young single people that Obama needs them desperately to sign up for ObamaCare cause we are all in it together. Tell them it is the only way this law can work. We need them more than they need us. Explain the costs and coverage and tell them they can opt out for this year by paying a $74 penalty. See what the young people do, not say. Of course collecting $74.00 at the river from bikini clad young people is kinda hard to do as well as collecting 400 bucks from them for the first month might be even a bigger hurdle. Aw, forget it. Uncle Sam Wants You posters might be just as effective.

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  30. fish Avatar
    fish

    Yup, you’re right. There are people who are taking advantage of the system. Are you proposing to let them die if they can’t pay? Because if you’re not, then they are going to the ER and then I and others like me have to pay.
    Which is no longer acceptable. Which is the entire point behind PPACA. Which is why it is like a tsunami, drowning your silly has-been talking points like a clueless resort in Phuket.

    …..and others like me have to pay. And pay and pay and pay!
    Michael Anderson meet subsidies….subsidies meet Mr. Michael Anderson. I’m sure you gentlemen will become fast friends because you will be together for a long time!

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  31. Paul Emery Avatar

    Subsidies meet Doug LaMalfa. Oh you’ve met, old family friends.

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  32. earlcrabb Avatar

    While you geeks debate whether Obamacare works or not, my wife, who has been able to purchase insurance now despite her pre-existing condition, underwent six hours of heart surgery this week. Without coverage, her problem may not have been diagnosed until she had a fatal attack. As it now stands, she is alive and coming home tonight. There’s a little reality for you all.

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  33. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Mr Paul: Ben has his pet peeve with Wall-Mart and corporate influence peddling. And the filthy rich. You, sir, are really peeved about farm subsidies. While I won’t get too far off track from the topic of ObamaCare and young people, I will wet your appetite with this short news blurb. PS: As far as rumors are concerned, I heard Mr. LaMalfa is still among the living.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/30/watchdog-report-finds-millions-in-govt-payments-to-dead-farmers/

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  34. George Rebane Avatar

    BillT 156pm – Thanks Mr Tozer for pointing this out, I was and then forgot. You just can’t make this stuff up, and the free-of-charge comedy (especially on these pages) of our progressive friends still defending Obamacare is actually priceless.
    earlcrabb 137pm – Bob, while we celebrate with you your wife’s operation, I hope the ‘geeky’ debating point about the need for someone to pay for it is not lost on you – that happens to be the enabling “reality” of your joy, be it by guile or government gun.

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  35. Paul Emery Avatar

    Crabb
    Yes, reality makes the Social Darwinists a little self self conscious because they feel more comfortable in their isolated reality preferring to keep their hands clean from examples of suffering people. Yes, they give at the church etc and that makes them feel righteous at least in their own mind.
    The irony of those supporting LaMalfa and ragging about “welfare mothers” being wards of the state is too much to resist. I know of too many suffering people who cannot buy health insurance to take this likely.
    I can already write the retort to this:
    “All universal health care systems are not sustainable and will lead to totalitarian dictatorships that will take many more lives than national healthcare will save. “

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  36. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 246pm – and pray, what evidence do you have of that self-consciousness?

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  37. Paul Emery Avatar

    sp “take this lightly”

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  38. fish Avatar
    fish

    The irony of those supporting LaMalfa and ragging about “welfare mothers” being wards of the state is too much to resist. I know of too many suffering people who cannot buy health insurance to take this likely.
    How did LaMalfa work his way into the health care thread?

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  39. Paul Emery Avatar

    Because in my view there is no way that letting people suffer and die because they cannot afford health care will sustain the basic human desire we have to do the right thing. Basic Aristotle stuff .
    “Ethical practice, then, is an exercise of the intellect and will as people meld ideas about what virtue requires with the skills of best practice and direct these efforts toward the attainment of virtue in concrete circumstances. By engaging in ethical practice, human beings express their excellence as rational creatures”
    http://www83.homepage.villanova.edu/richard.jacobs/MPA%208300/theories/Aristotle.html

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  40. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 314pm – your “yes they give at the church” is not the half of it. The debate of private charity vs public welfare is worth having. Yes, we do give to our churches and to so many more places. Government is the least efficient way to get money to the needy, be food or heart operations. Over 70% of each private charitable dollar goes to the intended needy, while less than 30% of government dollars find their way there. It was ever thus, here is some related reading –
    http://www.theadvocates.org/index.php/ask-dr-mary-ruwart-062013/
    http://libertariananswers.com/is-private-charity-more-efficient-than-government-welfare/
    http://mises.org/journals/jls/21_2/21_2_1.pdf
    And you’d be amazed at both the relative amounts (private vs govt) and the politics of those private givers. Moreover, in spite of the increased load of taxes, fees, etc that the govts at all levels place on us, we continue to increase our giving. And yes, I and people like me feel pretty good about that. Here’s more apropos stuff –

    Click to access 2007-012.pdf

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  41. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    Show me a charity that would support the 6-10,000 dollars per month that it takes to keep the two boys I know with cystic fibrosis alive and reasonably healthy.

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  42. fish Avatar
    fish

    Again how did LaMalfa work his way into a health care thread……you want to argue against farm subsidies and I’m on board.
    Try and stay on topic……you know….. basic Aristotle stuff.

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  43. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 329pm – that is the typical anecdotal smokescreen you puff up in these debates. It is the progressive path of light thinking that focuses on the early few and leaves the devastated millions for later. What part of ‘we can’t afford it’ is confusing to you? What part of the gross pissing away of funds don’t you understand about government handouts to the needy? Government has made this so-called recovery almost invisible, and has done that at the greatest cost in history. And you guys just keep voting for those who want to pile it on while talking about poor kids with cystic fibrosis. Grow the goddam economy and we’ll have the money for that and more, and most of it will come freely from private hands.

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  44. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Bless RL and his wife in this time of healing.
    What RL’s situation shows is that all politics is local.
    PaulE will never be convinced on the LaMalfa issue so why try. My guess is Doug and his farm pay a thousand times more in income tax so PaulE’s Social Security goes begging for a moral equivalency.

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  45. Paul Emery Avatar

    Fish
    It is my privilege to use irony to illustrate my position that according to many in this crowd it is perfectly OK to take the money of others and distribute it to wealthy families yet denigrate the unfortunate that need food stamps to feed their children. Are there welfare abusers? You bet but there are millions of others that have no other way to feed their children.
    George
    It is not anecdotal to detail that under the apparent acceptance of Social Darwinism that you seem to espouse many would die during the period of adjustment that would be required to establish the economic and political climate you claim would lead us to the promised land. The most efficient way to achieve efficient health care would be to eliminate weak and defective children before birth and sterilization of the same so they cannot reproduce Oh yeah, that’s eugenics. Hmmm
    The Bible teaches stories that Jesus used miracles to heal the sick and crippled. Guess what, we have miracle drugs and treatments available but unaffordable without government support because insurance companies won’t pay for the treatments because under that twisted form of free enterprise it does not pencil out to insure the weak and sickly. Another golden moment in Capitalism along with wars for profit and the plunder of the resources of those weaker than ourselves.

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  46. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Paul,
    I find it interesting when putting the numbers side by side. Doug LaMalfa net worth is anywhere from $1.2 – $5.5 million and his subsides (not including insurance) since 1995 is $5.1 million.
    It seems to me Doug might be addicted to government programs than any person who collects food stamps. I wonder if Doug has Iphones, tv, nice cars, takes vacations, or drinks alcohol. Isn’t that the argument against the poor who receive welfare that they should be regulated and have these luxuries taken from them?

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  47. fish Avatar
    fish

    It is my privilege to use irony to illustrate my position that according to many in this crowd it is perfectly OK to take the money of others and distribute it to wealthy families yet denigrate the unfortunate that need food stamps to feed their children. Are there welfare abusers? You bet but there are millions of others that have no other way to feed their children.
    You might want to practice more Aristotle!

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  48. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Posted by: earlcrabb | 30 July 2013 at 01:37 PM
    Good luck to you and your wife Bob. I am glad she could finally get the treatment she needed.
    I just re-upped our companies health insurance (our renewal date is August 1st to avoid the end of the year craziness that befalls many small businesses) and the cost actually went down this year for the same coverage. Our agent tells us our cost is going to go down over the next 5 years as the ACA takes hold. (And no Todd, it has nothing to do with being an NGO, its the same plan any small business would buy).

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  49. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    George, 30 July 2013 at 03:21 PM
    I have given you this example before but it needs to be repeated here. We have a homeless shelter in Nevada County that can take up to 55 guests a night. Those guests for the last 7 years have been sheltered and fed dinner mainly at local churches plus a few other places that have enough space to accommodate 55 people with their sleeping gear. The sleeping and dinners are a very important piece of the whole picture but only a small piece. That shelters annual budget to organize lunch, doctors, dentists, social services, transportation, dinners, and shelter is around $500k a year.
    I know there is Divine Spark, Greg Zaller’s organization, Janice O’Brien and Reinette Senum work with the homeless issue as well among others. This equates to huge amounts of energy and resources to deal with an official homeless population of around 500. So we are talking thousands of hours of volunteer work, hundreds of thousands of dollars, dozens of paid workers, local/ state services, and a little bit of federal. All of this for 500 hundred people who are willing to come out from the shadows to ask for help while at the same time hearing from a very small but loud segment of the local population at how they do not belong in Nevada County.
    To relate this to health care it would take one serious cancer treatment to equal the dollar amount of all the work done in Nevada County in the care for the homeless. You are insane if you think any charity could withstand this type of costs.
    Charities and churches aren’t the way to help large numbers of people in need. The way to help those people is to look at the institution and system in which creates these gigantic numbers of people who for one reason or another have fallen. In the mean time asking a increasingly unequal global economic system to step up to help local communities deal with the fallout of such a dysfunctional system is unrealistic and countering the philosophy of that very system. Economic inequality isn’t just a US problem it is an epidemic that is covering the globe. Corporate self interests promotes division, inequality, and a race to the bottom. When they create such systems the labor is cheap and eager to put their lives in danger and the very same system that causes this inequality then puts forward charity solutions to the dysfunction they created in the first place.
    One way we could do it is to mandate a tax on every dollar of profit made to go towards a health care system for all. Or we could just put a transaction tax on Wall St who has never done so well to pay for the entire health care system. http://www.nationalnursesunited.org/pages/financial-transaction-tax
    We could remove the cap on FICA and open up Medicare for all to pay into the system. There are plenty of ways of doing this where we all pay into it so the working poor don’t have to depend on charity especially religious charity who might hold the afterlife as hostage to receive such charity to those in need.

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