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George Rebane

The memory of Treyvon Martin has now been honored by everyone from the President to the punks smashing windows and setting fires to demonstrate their outrage at the acquittal of George Zimmerman and the nation’s legal system.  In doing the latter I’m tempted to join them.

TrayvonMartinAccording to our legal system as exercised in Sanford, the evidence showed that Martin was a young thug trying to bash the brains out of the man who finally shot him.  Since the shooting, both the press and the police have done their best to hide Martin’s past because he was a black minor.  Well, more than a minor.  As Zimmerman’s prosecutors characterized him, that evening Martin was an ‘apprehensive child’ trying to reach safety and the warmth of his home and family while suffering a ‘child’s worst fears’ by being ‘stalked in the night’.

Since then, a bit more has come out on the background of that child pictured nearby.  The Miami-Dade police and school authorities had to jump through hoops not to arrest the young man for burglary and possession of stolen goods.  And there’s even more coming out that you will not see in the lamestream which has spent the last year calling for Zimmerman’s head, but this blog with appropriate links is as good a place to start as any. 

So the Sanford court delivered its justice, and found that even lying down, with his head being pounded into a concrete sidewalk,  Zimmerman had every right to ‘stand’ his ground, draw his weapon, and kill Martin in order to save his own life.  But in our system of jurisprudence, one that used to eschew double jeopardy, this is not the end of it.  As we discovered in the OJ Simpson case, being acquitted of murder does not end your jeopardy.  You can be re-indicted on civil charges, just as if you had committed the act of which you were found innocent, and then be adjudicated into financial oblivion.

AntonioSantiagoBut wait, there’s more.  With the Zimmerman case we have launched into the era of triple jeopardy.  Those ever stalwart men of God and minders of the plantation, the Revs Jackson and Sharpton, have joined with the NAACP to plan a very nasty future for George Zimmerman.  First they convince Holder’s DOJ to file criminal charges against Zimmerman for violating (seat belts please) Martin’s civil rights.  And then, whether that works or not, they will go after him in a civil lawsuit a la Simpson.  And on top of that, thanks to the lamestream’s ample coverage of the acquittal and follow-on demonstrations of rage, Zimmerman will wear a bullseye on his back for a very long time.

In the meantime, Holder is pandering to the NAACP, promising to review the nation’s stand-your-ground laws as being the newly discovered basis for the (diminishing) gun violence in the land.  Oh yes, speaking of race, did anyone give a big rat’s ass for the ongoing stream of black-on-black murders in Chicago (46 blacks killed there during the trial) and other big cities in this interval.  Or did you notice all the demonstrations against the two Georgia black teen-agers who killed a baby by shooting him in the face and wounding his mother during a robbery?  Who honored the memory of 13-month-old Antonio Santiago?

I don’t think we have to look too deeply through the progressive smoke screen to see real racism practiced daily in America.

[21jul13 update – corrected]  As President Obama continues to fan the Zimmerman trial flames evident in dozens of cities across the nation, I definitely feel that he has a deeper agenda for which the trial’s verdict can serve as fuel.  Of the many statements in his “deeply personal” speech about the event that could have used a big dose of silence, he stated, “… if Trayvon Martin was of age and armed, could he have stood his ground on that sidewalk?  And do we actually think that he would have been justified in shooting Mr. Zimmerman who had followed him in a car because he felt threatened?  And if the answer to that question is at least ambiguous, then it seems to me that we might want to examine those kinds of laws.”

That he introduced the potential justification of an armed Martin shooting Zimmerman for no more than following him in a neighborhood where Zimmerman was volunteering as a member of the neighborhood watch, raises more than eyebrows.   Asking us to consider the two acts as somehow being equivalent or having an “ambiguous” answer throws the entire issue of stand your ground into a cocked hat, and goes on to support the nationwide protests already rejecting the Zimmerman verdict and looking for all manner of hypotheticals to continue focusing on race and civil rights violations as being the cause of Martin’s being shot that now requires additional judicial action.

The immediate beneficiaries of the President’s hypothetical are the attorneys for Dunn, who from his car gunned down a black teenager in another car, an unarmed teenager who had no physical contact with Dunn or made no move to threaten him (here).  Dunn’s defense before the President’s remarks was tenuous if it existed at all.  After that presidential demagoguery I can see Dunn’s attorneys dropping to their knees, raising their hands in gratitude, and shouting ‘Thank you, thank you Lord!!’

The facts of the matter, that no one wants to address about Zimmerman’s actions or that of Jesse Jackson’s equivalent assessment, are that according to DoJ statistics –
•    Blacks make up 13% of the population,
•    Since 1975 blacks have committed more than half of ALL the nation’s murders;
•    And 93% of murdered blacks were killed by blacks.

Now I know that progressives have had more than a little trouble reasoning, especially when it involves elements of numeracy – that has been academically corroborated (more here and here).  I challenge a liberal to draw the Venn diagram for that situation without first going back to ding-dong school.  Of course a few rightwingers may also struggle 😉  But if you brought the teachings of the good Reverend Bayes to bear on these statistics, then it becomes apparent that beating the drums on the Zimmerman case is an ongoing smokescreen raised by the liberal elites to hide their massive failures in social policies (economic and educational) that for the last 40 years have been promoted to help the black population.  Their effect has been exactly the opposite, beginning with the destruction of the strong black family ethic in the 1960s.

Now we holler and wail about ‘stereotyping’ and the injustice it causes.  It does no such thing when considered on an individual decision level.  As I have attempted to illuminate in these pages, stereotyping (intuiting the correct Bayesian conditional posterior probability) is one of the most powerful survival mechanisms that humans and ALL critters have evolved over the eons.  What we pejoratively label as stereotyping is fundamental to Bayesian decision making, which is demonstrably the most powerful and effective approach to dealing with problems in an uncertain environment.  And without going into the numerical weeds that surround the above quoted statistics, those numbers themselves advise an extra dose of caution when encountering a young black male on a lonely dark street, whether he be an opportunistic thug or a young neurosurgeon like Dr Ben Carson (by his own report).

Were you asked to bet you assets on the intentions of such a black man, you would wisely vote with the Rev Jesse Jackson.  Were you instead asked to bet your ass, you would definitely make a run for it before seeking any more edifying information.  And starting with the numbers, that sad state of affairs is what underlies the entire problem of racist stereotyping.  The real crime is that the national black leadership refuses to address the existential problem of the behavior of young black men staring them in the face for the last several decades.   (I was heartened to again hear Jason Riley of WSJ eloquently agree with these conclusions.)

[26jul13 update]  Bill Whittle of PJMedia presents an excellent summary of the Trayvon Martin case in this video, and contrasts it with the reprehensible ‘coverage’ given in the lamestream.

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211 responses to ““… honor the memory of Treyvon Martin.” (updated 26jul13)”

  1. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Greg… that would be Jesse Jackson. Is Jesse Jackson a racist for saying this?

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  2. George Rebane Avatar

    Ben 1118am – It may come as a surprise, but the “allegedly” part is dropped in America when a duly convened court of law convicts or acquits to resolve the allegation. A better preamble for all of your concocted comments would have been to declare that you recognized neither the court, the legal process, and most certainly not the verdict in the Zimmerman case. One can easily draw that conclusion from your outpourings, but being frank about it would have allowed us to proceed to discover why you have such seminal rejections of the system – that might be illuminating. Your attempted legal prestidigitations are not.

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  3. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Thanks George,
    I have tried that angle before to no success. The position was labelled a cop out of some sort. I stated multiple times on this thread that within the confines of the law the verdict was probably correct in this case. People ignored that statement and challenge that Martin was a thug and prevoked the incident by standing up for himself. Do I ignore their statement and repeat that laws aren’t always justice or try to engage? That is my dilemma on RR or even Sierra Foothills Report on almost every macro issue. This case isn’t about Trayvon Martin or George Zimmerman it is about the whole system and that is the black population problem with all of these cases. Of course the needless death of a person is always tragic but when the circumstances are perpetuated by unjust laws/ system than it is more the big picture being objected to not the specific court case.
    I reject the premise of almost everything that is discussed in modern day terms because the discussion is controlled by our constant corporate marketed “news” outlets and those who profit off of division so we are taught to only look at issues from our teams perspective, well I don’t have team in this game but have to live under their rules. My world view doesn’t really fit into a left right paradigm but rather a centralized vs decentralized paradigm. The only way to have control is by having accountability by the people (decentralized) not institutions (Centralized), which is why I do not like our two party tyranny system. The D’s and R’s are literally the two largest institutions of power in the US. The question is- who controls the two party’s? The people or special interests? You know my answer.

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  4. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    George,
    To follow up a bit the same can go towards
    -War On Terror
    -Taxes
    -Trade
    -Environmental Health
    -Civil Liberties
    -Health Care
    -Agriculture
    -Water Rights
    -R’s vs D’s
    -MSNBC vs FOX
    and so on. What is the common thread in all of these? Banking, Big Industry, and Government Corruption (all centralized power)

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  5. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 237pm – Thanks for the expansion. But then I’m always puzzled when your prescriptions for a better world are unmistakeably based on a very large and comprehensive government required for enforcement. For example, how are you going enforce physicians and nurses not practicing their trade for profit? And who will take money away from the best and brightest who provide things and services that others can’t or won’t?
    BTW in your MSNBC vs FOX, that isn’t a contest but a nationwide embarrassment for the liberals as witnessed by their respective viewerships.

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  6. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “This case isn’t about Trayvon Martin or George Zimmerman”
    Ahh, there’s the problem.
    No Ben, it really is about Martin & Zimmerman. Ever stop to think that, given Martin has been tied to jewelry stolen from a home near the school he was suspended from (for a third time), that maybe Zimmerman’s claim he was acting suspiciously was the absolute truth?

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  7. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Great recents posts by Mr. Steve Enos and Mr. Anderson. Who cares about either one’s history in this (minor) affair. Small town shooting. Small potatoes in the grand scheme of things. It could have turned out different if one or the other had made different decisions before things got heated. They didn’t. It is over. Done deal, put a fork in it.
    This is not about 500 years of slavery or even a 1,000 years of Arabs taking slaves from way back to present. It ain’t about education or opportunity or Thomas Jefferson or the mean streets of the good ole USofA. It is even not about some earth shaking event like some Turkish woman got tear gassed in front of cameras by disinterested riot police, deja vu of the cool Lt John Pike at Davis.
    This is about a shooting that happened somewhere in time in Anytown, USA. I agrre with Mr. Anderson. Move on and get a life. More important stuff out there. Nothing new under the sun. You can’t change human nature. When two humans decide to dance at noon, one usually is late for supper.

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  8. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    OK, here is my last post on Round One, Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman verdict.
    Round Two, Jordan Davis vs. Michael Dunn
    http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/state/jordan-davis-update-michael-dunn-charged-with-first-degree-murder-trial-scheduled-for-september-23
    There is nothing Trayvon Martin could have done that would have satisfied you guys except kowtow and know his place. To stop silently and take orders from the plain clothes self appointed volunteer neighborhood watch. Once again lets go to the the 911 call. Martin is walking home so he is suspect. Martin sees a plain clothe guy following him. He runs trying to get away. Zimmerman ignores dispatch when they tell him help is on the way and they don’t need him to follow Martin. He stands his ground and he is a thug and if he runs trying to avoid the situation he is guilty and needs to be pursued. No win situation with Stand Your Ground on the books for young black men with frightened power mongers roaming the streets with concealed weapons.
    Remember virtually all of Zimmerman’s calls to 911 previously have been about people of color in the neighborhood. The expletive below is when he allegedly says “these fu#@ing ni$$&rs”
    This is where the fight begins because Zimmerman could have stayed put and waited for the police but he doesn’t, which directly leads to the altercation where Martin is kicking the ass of Zimmerman and the only way he feels like he can defend himself is by shooting Martin through the heart.
    Zimmerman
    (unclear) See if you can get an officer over here.
    Dispatcher
    Yeah we’ve got someone on the way, just let me know if this guy does anything else.
    Zimmerman
    Okay. These (expletive) they always get away. Yep. When you come to the clubhouse you come straight in and make a left. Actually you would go past the clubhouse.
    Dispatcher
    So it’s on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?
    Zimmerman
    No you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left, uh, you go straight in, don’t turn, and make a left. (expletive) he’s running.
    Dispatcher
    He’s running? Which way is he running?
    Zimmerman
    Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.
    Dispatcher
    Which entrance is that that he’s heading towards?
    Zimmerman
    The back entrance…(expletive)(unclear)
    Dispatcher
    Are you following him?
    Zimmerman
    Yeah.
    Dispatcher
    Ok, we don’t need you to do that.

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  9. George Rebane Avatar

    BillT 650pm – Where I disagree with Messrs Tozer and Anderson is not in the details of an adjudicated small town shooting, but in what I have identified as the halo effect of this event that has been amplified by everyone from the President (he even piled on today) on down through the nation’s black leadership and lamestream to local progressive cadres. Your advice to “move on and get a life” is properly given to those on the national scene (how many emails have either of you written to Obama, Sharpton, Jackson, …?). Here in the foothills there is little we can do to either encourage or douse these fanned flames. And most certainly, retrying George Zimmerman on blogs is IMHO a fool’s errand. That is why in this post I invited the conversation to attempt a higher level that still needs to be had given the attitudes of such as BenE, and the growing systemic unemployment especially among the blacks.
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323309404578615960169400522.html?mod=WSJ_hps_LEFTTopStories

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  10. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    George,
    Any ruminations on the Davis/ Dunn case I cited above? It hasn’t happened yet. If Dunn is found not guilty I believe there will be massive riots. The difference is there are witness to oppose Dunn’s version of the incident where as in the Martin case the only person who could have opposed Zimmerman’s story was dead.

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  11. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    So which is it, Ben?
    “I reject the premise of almost everything that is discussed in modern day terms because the discussion is controlled by our constant corporate marketed “news” outlets and those who profit off of division so we are taught to only look at issues from our teams perspective”
    Then you give us a direct link to those same awful folks you just got through saying you don’t like.
    In fact you fall right in with all the other low information voters practically word for word.
    “There is nothing Trayvon Martin could have done that would have satisfied you guys except kowtow and know his place. To stop silently and take orders from the plain clothes self appointed volunteer neighborhood watch.”
    Totally wrong, Ben. All he had to do is what I taught my kids to do. Call 911 and give his location and situation. Instead, he turned around and went to Zimmerman for the purpose of starting a violent confrontation. He stupidly started a fight he couldn’t win. Skin color doesn’t enter in.
    Your continuing narrative of folks that disagree with you on this issue as being racist is childish and stupid.
    The situation with Dunn doesn’t appear to have anything to do with the Zimmerman case as Dunn was never harmed.

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  12. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Fair enough Dr. Rebane. Where should we start? My usual declaration that 74% of the black children born today are born out of wedlock? The Black on Black murder rate? I was sure Pat Buchanan would start a firestorm when he said that if you omit the black on black murder rate the US would have the 4th lowest murder rate in the civilized world. No firestorm started. No even one soul calling Mr. Buchanan a bigot. Nary a peep. Guess everybody knew its true.
    OK lets start with our President’s words today: On Friday, Mr. Obama noted that African-Americans are disproportiony victims as well as perpetrators of violence.
    When Rev Jesse Jackson made the statement that night he was walking down a dark street in DC and heard footstep approaching from behind and was relieved to see it was some white guys, that caused no stir, no firestorm, no labels of racism. Everybody could relate.
    Some lady standing on a corner waiting for a bus will of course snap her pursue shut and clutch it tightly when a group of black youths approach. She knows the crime stats and the old lady is no dummie neither is she a racist. Heck, if a group of white or Hispanic kids approached her she would clutch that purse just a tight.
    Florida’s Stand Your Ground law has disproportionately HELPED the black community. Blacks make up 15% of Florida’s population, yet blacks have cited Stand Your Ground as a defense in 30% of Florida’s SYG cases. Seems to be helping the black community. Guess we should start with crime. As President Obama cited, the Black community has disproportional victims and perps.

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  13. George Rebane Avatar

    BillT 1000pm – well said Mr Tozer.
    BenE 807pm – begging ScottO’s 907pm, it appears that the Dunn/Davis case is definitely a quadruped of a variant hue. From the face value of the report, Dunn acted prematurely and without demonstrable cause. The verdict will reflect that.
    (Although it’s not clear why the charge is first degree murder since that requires more pre-conditions that a chance meeting in a filling station would hardly substantiate. Unless, of course, it’s now redefined under our new and improved legal system.)

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  14. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    OK, so here we go again. This incident seems to have just happened but a poor family has been advised to seek first degree murder. This doesn’t make sense at all. Premeditation couldn’t have been part of this killing, which makes a guilty verdict almost impossible. You and I had this conversation a while back about the poor legal representation is at a great disadvantage thus making our legal system preferential to the wealthy. All Dunn has to do with the Stand Your Ground law to justify his deadly force is to prove that he perceived a threat from the unarmed teens. This is so wrong.
    This is where my 500 years of racism remark comes into play. Dunn as Zimmerman have been taught/ programed to view people of color with caution. Whether it was intentional or not. We are all brainwashed to view people of color who are strangers as threats. This perception leads to irrational assumptions that have led to the death of two unarmed Florida teenagers. If Dunn or Zimmerman didn’t have a gun on them there would most likely be no deaths in either cases. Here is a study done on media and men of color portrayal in the media.
    http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/reports/portrayal-and-perception-two-audits-news-media-reporting-african-american-men-and-boys
    Florida Statute 782.04
    “First Degree Murder as a killing that is “perpetrated from a premeditated design to effect the death of the person killed or any human being.” The Florida Criminal Jury Instructions explains that a defendant is not guilty of First Degree Murder unless the State of Florida proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the killing was a premeditated murder, a “killing after consciously deciding to do so.” The decision to kill must be proven to be “present at the time of the killing”, but that the “law does not fix the exact period of time that must pass.””

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  15. Ken Jones Avatar
    Ken Jones

    Scott you wrote earlier:
    How do black parents explain this to their kids? Where’s Obongo?
    Your use of the name Obongo is racist. I am sure you will deny but it is evident in your own post. Calling President Obama by the name Obongo is racist as well as childish and stupid. Ben isn’t off target in his comments.

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  16. Gregory Avatar

    “OK, so here we go again.”

    You can’t go again to where you ain’t been. This is entirely different, Ben.

    “This incident seems to have just happened but a poor family has been advised to seek first degree murder. This doesn’t make sense at all.”

    Ben, these sentences seem to indicate that you think the families of victims have any power over the charges a DA files in a criminal case, or that they have anything to do with meeting the expenses of prosecution.

    “Premeditation couldn’t have been part of this killing, which makes a guilty verdict almost impossible.”

    Don’t be silly. It’s a given in self defense laws that, if you start shooting because of an imminent danger, you also have to stop shooting when that danger is past. In this case, a jury could easily come to the conclusion that the killer made up the story about the gun (because it didn’t exist) and firing 8 rounds into an occupied car was a premeditated act of anger (seconds is all that it takes), way beyond the need to neutralize even a hallucinated threat, after he walked up to the car with the intent of killing somebody.

    “You and I had this conversation a while back about the poor legal representation is at a great disadvantage thus making our legal system preferential to the wealthy.”
    All Dunn has to do with the Stand Your Ground law to justify his deadly force is to prove that he perceived a threat from the unarmed teens. This is so wrong.

    Yes, it is. Your statement about the law, not the law. He didn’t “stand his ground”, he advanced towards the victim’s car, armed and arguably a premeditated (the time between deciding to get the gun and the time he started firing should be plenty to satisfy ‘premediated’) intent on killing some kids who may well have been pricks, but guess what? Being a prick doesn’t excuse initiating violence against them. In this case Dunn is acting more like Martin than Zimmerman.

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  17. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    So Ken chimes in with his left wing nut views. No answer to what I wrote and more name calling. A bong is what O bong o smoked his dope in. And he continues to chum with ardent backers of dope smoking. Hence – Obongo. Not racist in the least. Try an intelligent answer to what I brought up in my post.

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  18. George Rebane Avatar

    re KenJ 1107am – I took Ken’s racism charge to be based on the way that ‘Obongo’ sounds so much like many African names may sound. (It did not occur to me to connect the ‘bong’ to Obama’s being a dope smoker in his youth.) In any case, what puzzles me is why would that appellation make things any more racist than, say, O’bama, Obamason, Obamez, Obameister, Obama-san, Obamov, … At least in the sound-alike sense Obongo recognizes that the man is a mulatto with a black African father. The other names could just as easily have hearkened his lineage through his white mother. It seems to me that this is another example of trivializing the notion of racism and the label racist, both of which should be used sparingly in cases where race enters as the clear intended pejorative. So what would it be if one called the president Obanga?

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  19. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Funny, I despised George W. Bush, but I never used the pejorative “Lick Bush”. I found it childish and vulgar. I find calling the President by anything other than their name to be kind of pointless, cheap and derivative. So perhaps Scott did not mean it in a racist way, the vagueness of the term “Obongo” allows for interpretation, and each will hear it as their own dog whistle. We will never know if Scott was aware of the differing tones of the whistle or not, which is kind of what the point of the whistle is to begin with.
    So kudos to you Scott, your point is not racist, just pointless, cheap, childish and derivative (but not vulgar).

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  20. Ken Jones Avatar
    Ken Jones

    Scott
    From the urban dictionary on the name Obongo
    A play on Barack Hussein Obama II’s last name, citing his roots as a typical Apefrican, bongo beating, bush monkey. Best used when around those who may have a heart attack from hearing the “O” word too many times.
    I will take your claim that is for the bong of President Obama. Not a childish remark eh Scott, nor name calling? So using your logic, or better stated lack thereof, did you refer to President Bush as President Blow for his cocaine use? Or maybe President George Lush? Bet not Scott.
    I think Obongo came about as part of the group that started the born in Kenya bs Scott. I know that was any left wing nut that made that claim. But isn’t calling someone a left wing nut another childish and stupid comment?
    As far as Zimmerman and Martin I agree that Martin should have called the cops and let them handle the situation. Same rational applies to Zimmerman, evidently he decided otherwise. In the end a kid armed with Skittles and Arizona tea was killed my an adult with a gun. That Scott is my bottom line.

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  21. Ken Jones Avatar
    Ken Jones

    I know that wasn’t any left wing nut that made that claim, (corrected)
    In the end a kid armed with Skittles and Arizona tea was killed by an adult with a gun, (corrected)

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  22. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    My buddy Ben wrote “here we go again.” No Ben, here YOU go again.
    Reminds me of when the Lone Ranger was surrounded by hostiles and he said to Tonto “looks like we are in a heap of trouble.” Tonto replied “what do you mean we?, paleface”

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  23. Russ Steele Avatar

    Recommend Read at the Diplomad 2.0 — President Obama: Beyond Parody
    It begins:
    The One’s press conference today was so disgusting, so absurd, so outrageous that it proves almost impossible to discuss. He has shown himself, again, as an extreme leftist, hater of America, and a narcissist. He is beyond parody. Had a right-wing novelist or screenwriter created such a President, the novel would never have been published, nor the film made. In end, almost no matter what the topic of discussion, it all comes back to Obama. Trayvon Martin not only could have been his son, now Trayvon Martin could have been the young President Obama–except that George Zimmerman has a racial composition closer to President Obama’s than did Trayvon Martin.
    This performance is not that of a President but rather of a race-baiting, demagogic agitator. His description of race relations in the United States is a hallucinogenic version of reality, the product of his deeply ingrained leftist fanaticism. He cannot remember that he no longer works as a rabble-rousing community organizer out to blackmail a landlord or a small business in Chicago with the threat of demonstrations and street violence. He is supposed to be the President of all Americans, including, yes, horrors, white people, yes white people just like his mother and, especially, his grandparents who raised him when his black father bolted back to Kenya and to his other family.

    And ends with this assement:
    Many years ago I was asked to address a class of new FSOs at the Foreign Service Institute in Northern Virginia. These new officers were about to go overseas on their first assignments. Since I had served in Pakistan, the instructor told me to expect to hear concerns from female officers heading to Muslim countries. I gave my little insipid pep talk. In the Q-and-A session, as the instructor had predicted, a woman officer asked how tough it would be for her in a Middle Eastern Muslim country. I still have the notes of what I said, “If you’re a woman get out of the Foreign Service. If you’re a man get out of the Foreign Service. If you’re black, brown, or white get out. If you’re Jewish, Christian, Hindu, or anything else, get out. When you’re out there, you’re an American. You represent only the United States, nothing else. You cannot let your interlocutors see you as anything other than as an American representing the USA.”
    This President would not have made it through that class.

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  24. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Excellent post Mr. Steele. Obama was raised basically by middle class folks. First Kansas, then Indonesia, then Hawaii. His experience living in poverty is about the same as a submariner playing a round of golf on the moon. Plus, there ain’t a drop of slave blood in him.
    Obama is just trying to get “street cred” with the boyz in the hood. His latest speeches start off ok, then he veers out near the angry black man territory and thinks (he says but I gotta wonder) that WILL bring about healing. No, it fans passions. No healing, just more of us vs them, the oppressor vs the oppressed.
    Obama knows there is nothing feared worse by John Q. Public as a boatload of angry black men. Even progressives fear that cause all is fair in love and war and they take no prisoners. Doesn’t go with the “why can’t we all just get along” mantra. Make love not war and all that stuff.
    I have two cousins that went to Occidental. I have a niece who is getting her doctorate at Columbia as I type this. Our Prez hardly lived the ghetto experience. Not on the farm in Kansas, not in the barrios of Honolulu, not in the upper middle class life in Indonesia. Heck, his wife was a PR person for a hospital at 100k/year until her husband (the young Jr Senator from Illinois) got her hospital a 6 million dollar tax payer grant and suddenly she got a raise to 200k/year as a hospital spokesperson. Not bad, not bad at all.
    Yep, Obama is seeking something he never had: street cred with the boyz in the hood. After all, white people used to give him dirty looks when he was just like Treyvon.

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  25. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    How is it possible that two people could watch that press conference and hear two such dramatically different things?
    Here is the transcript of the comments by the President of the United States about the ruling:
    http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/19/19564969-transcript-president-obamas-remarks-on-trayvon-martin-and-race?lite
    Hear that? The President of the United States of America Barack Obama. Not The One, or ‘Obongo’ or the ‘Obomunist’; the President of the United States of America. The elected representative of our people, the Commander in Chief and the Chief Executive of our nation.
    When did it become OK to think of him as a ‘nigger’ or as anything other than a human being? When did it become common to tear down our country because we do not like the elected leader of the nation? If you do not see that this is not a ‘hallucinogenic version of reality” then I can only surmise that you are both ignorant of history and American culture, and care not a whit about reconciliation or compassion. If you judge his comments based on the color of his skin rather than the holder of the office that ‘we the people’ elected him to, then you are not an American that I can recognize.
    We may differ on policy, vociferously, but to disagree on our institutions is radical anti-Americanism. The ultimate truth behind American governance is that we elect people, with all their experiences, and we accept that representation or we change it by free election.
    J’accuse …….we are a nation of laws, and institutions, and process, that protects our people from tyranny, and to couch the Presidents comments as doing anything but stating that clearly and unequivocally is a perverted lie.
    Here is a sampling of a few of the things he said:
    “The judge conducted the trial in a professional manner. The prosecution and the defense made their arguments. The juries were properly instructed that in a case such as this reasonable doubt was relevant, and they rendered a verdict. And once the jury has spoken, that’s how our system works. ”
    “Now, this isn’t to say that the African American community is naïve about the fact that African American young men are disproportionately involved in the criminal justice system; that they’re disproportionately both victims and perpetrators of violence. It’s not to make excuses for that fact — although black folks do interpret the reasons for that in a historical context.”
    “I think the African American community is also not naïve in understanding that, statistically, somebody like Trayvon Martin was statistically more likely to be shot by a peer than he was by somebody else.”
    “Now, the question for me at least, and I think for a lot of folks, is where do we take this? How do we learn some lessons from this and move in a positive direction?”
    “I know that Eric Holder is reviewing what happened down there, but I think it’s important for people to have some clear expectations here. Traditionally, these are issues of state and local government, the criminal code. And law enforcement is traditionally done at the state and local levels, not at the federal levels.”
    “And then, finally, I think it’s going to be important for all of us to do some soul-searching. There has been talk about should we convene a conversation on race. I haven’t seen that be particularly productive when politicians try to organize conversations. They end up being stilted and politicized, and folks are locked into the positions they already have. On the other hand, in families and churches and workplaces, there’s the possibility that people are a little bit more honest, and at least you ask yourself your own questions about, am I wringing as much bias out of myself as I can? Am I judging people as much as I can, based on not the color of their skin, but the content of their character? That would, I think, be an appropriate exercise in the wake of this tragedy.”
    “And let me just leave you with a final thought that, as difficult and challenging as this whole episode has been for a lot of people, I don’t want us to lose sight that things are getting better. Each successive generation seems to be making progress in changing attitudes when it comes to race. It doesn’t mean we’re in a post-racial society. It doesn’t mean that racism is eliminated. But when I talk to Malia and Sasha, and I listen to their friends and I seem them interact, they’re better than we are — they’re better than we were — on these issues. And that’s true in every community that I’ve visited all across the country.”
    “And so we have to be vigilant and we have to work on these issues. And those of us in authority should be doing everything we can to encourage the better angels of our nature, as opposed to using these episodes to heighten divisions. But we should also have confidence that kids these days, I think, have more sense than we did back then, and certainly more than our parents did or our grandparents did; and that along this long, difficult journey, we’re becoming a more perfect union — not a perfect union, but a more perfect union.”
    These are not the words of a radical, or a “race-baiting, demagogic agitator”, they are the words of the President that I voted for, and I am proud of him for speaking his mind and providing guidance and leadership in a time of strife.
    Reading the comments on these threads over the past several days I can come to no conclusion other than that many people here despise this President because is is alien to their culture and expectations. All I can say to you is get over it. It is a new nation and a new world. For many here to pretend that this is about anything other than the fact that the President is of African-American descent, and that they cannot get beyond that lens, is pure unadulterated bullshit.

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  26. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    I agree with Mr. Frisch. The only reason I do not like President Barrack Husein Obama policies is NOT that his policies stand opposed to the individual on top of the pyramid with the state subservient to the individual. No, that has nothing to do with it. The only reason I do not like President B H Obama is because he is half white. Not even a Heinz 57. That would be ok. Its the 50% white part in him I hate. Whew. I finally said it. I hate his whiteness through and through. I abhor that he is our first half white President. What, now we have to say we have had 43 1/2 white Presidents? That is so wrong. I wish he was all black. Then we could say he is our first black President. Glad nobody voted for him cause he was half white. That would be racist and bigotry.
    There is something like 600,000 hunters in Michigan who own guns. Something like 200,000 hunters in Ohio, 300,000 in Pennsylvania and if you add up Minnesota and Alabama and Wisconsin….well, they are a whole bunch of white people carrying rifles tromping through the woods like Elmer Fudd.
    Now, what do all these gun totting white people do with their hunting guns? Why, they go around Willey-Nellie shooting black people of course. I am truthfully surprised there are any black people left in America with all these white people shooting black people just for fun.
    Mr. Frisch hit the nail on the head. It is pure unadulterated bull pucky to think anything other than the reason most crackers here don’t like Obama is cause he is 1/2 white. I even once met a person who was 1/2 white when I looked in the mirror. He deserves to be used as target practice. What a worthless breed.

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  27. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    We are here:
    And what did you hear, my blue-eyed son?
    And what did you hear, my darling young one?
    I heard the sound of a thunder that roared out a warnin’
    I heard the roar of a wave that could drown the whole world
    I heard one hundred drummers whose hands were a-blazin’
    I heard ten thousand whisperin’ and nobody listenin’
    I heard one person starve, I heard many people laughin’
    Heard the song of a poet who died in the gutter
    Heard the sound of a clown who cried in the alley
    And it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard
    And it’s a hard rain’s a-gonna fall.

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  28. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    “No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin, or his background, or his religion. People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love, for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite.” Nelson Mandela
    Superiority and the idea of dominion are other taught traits. Shallowness and lack of wisdom seem to be what fuels this hatred towards “the other”. We have a long way to go if we are ever going to reach the level of human being we have the potential. It was taught to us as it was taught to them.
    Chapter I
    ” Arawak men and women, naked, tawny, and full of wonder, emerged from their villages onto the island’s beaches and swam out to get a closer look at the strange big boat. When Columbus and his sailors came ashore, carrying swords, speaking oddly, the Arawaks ran to greet them, brought them food, water, gifts. He later wrote of this in his log:
    They … brought us parrots and balls of cotton and spears and many other things, which they exchanged for the glass beads and hawks’ bells. They willingly traded everything they owned… . They were well-built, with good bodies and handsome features…. They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane… . They would make fine servants…. With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want.”

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  29. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Chapter I quote from 21 July 2013 at 08:36 AM was from Christopher Columbus log book.

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  30. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Greg,
    This case was race related through and through. I tried to have a elevated conversation about race relations and tiered legal system in America but got pulled down into the mud as usual. My first comment 18 July 2013 at 08:20 AM followed by four more comments about race and the legal system. As my elder friend from Galway and world traveler would say, pogue mahone you f’ing caffler.
    Perfect thought process for you.
    http://www.cagle.com/2012/03/the-stand-your-ground-before-he-stands-his-ground-defense/

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  31. George Rebane Avatar

    Please also see my 21jul13 update to this post.

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  32. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    My posting was about another young child slaughtered and the lack of any out cry by the hypocritical left. Instead, they got their undies in a bunch about my calling our president Obongo. I’m sorry I didn’t consult the latest rules book on what I’m allowed to say. I was being kind. Obama is now, by his actions in inflaming race hatred, nothing more than a piece of dog manure on the bottom of my foot and I’ll be glad to tell him to his face. He is filth and that has nothing to do with the color of his skin or his parents nationality. The fact is that another small child was cut down in the course of just trying to enjoy their life while harming no one. But she didn’t come from an affluent white area, so our national news media and the left wing nuts that post here only care only about kow-towing to the good name of the dog turd that occupies the Oval Office. I think that tells us all we need to know.

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  33. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Re the update: Dr. Rebane, you are wasting your breath. You can’t get us to discuss the halo effect or race relations in general, despite your prodding. Even our own President has encouraged us to look within ourselves and take the opportunity to examine our own prejudices that lurk in the dark recesses of our souls. Ain’t happening. Too many are stuck on stupid.
    Blacks commit 93% of the murders of blacks? My, by reading some of the progressive broken thinker posts, I would have figured evil whites commit 99% of the murders of blacks. After all, this is South Africa before Nelson isn’t it? Blacks are not free to marry who they want or can even travel freely in their own country. Blacks cannot even be allowed to vote and a white man will be arrested even he dared enter a black church. Yep, that is all some with the broken thinkers know about race relations here in 2013 America under apartheid. The system is rigged and the justice system is especially rigged to defend the Peruvian Americans.
    Wasting your time Dr. Rebane. They don’t want to discuss stats. Here is a stat that will be met with crickets: A white person on death row will be statistically more likely to be executed that a black man on dead row. Yep, the system is rigged. Murders are not black folks or Hispanic folk. Convicted murderers are usually pieces of human debris to put in kindly. Especially them white ones. They need more understanding. Yeah right. They may have not been born criminals, but they usually are criminals until the day the stop sucking air.
    I still blame the breakup of the black family unit as a major cause of the black community’s disproportionately number of crime victims and criminal element. In days or yore, if a black kid was swearing on the street corner and acting tough, the elder black men would admonish the lad and take him to the woodshed if necessary or report it to his dad. Now days with the breakup of the family unit, the lad will just tell the old farts to go pound sand. Lord knows that the welfare state has exasperated the situation. What kind of life does the kid face growing up in crime ridden projects built by the Great Society. War on poverty? More like war to keep the black community in everlasting poverty. The progressive solution is worse than the original problem.
    Shoot, I just wasted my breath.

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  34. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    George, you ‘update’ above is inaccurate. in fact it is nothing but a boldfaced lie. The President did not say, ” “If Trayvon Martin would have had a gun, then (under the stand-your-ground law) he would have been justified in shooting Zimmerman for following him.”
    I respectfully request that your correct you inaccurate statement and post the true verbatim quote.
    Here is the verbatim quote from the President:
    “And for those who resist that idea that we should think about something like these “stand your ground” laws, I’d just ask people to consider, if Trayvon Martin was of age and armed, could he have stood his ground on that sidewalk? And do we actually think that he would have been justified in shooting Mr. Zimmerman who had followed him in a car because he felt threatened? And if the answer to that question is at least ambiguous, then it seems to me that we might want to examine those kinds of laws.”
    Talk about wasting your breath[e].

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  35. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    No Frisch, George has accurately stated his interpretation of what Obama said. It is you who twist things incorrectly. Anyone reading your quotated Obama words would agree George has it right. You on the other hand seem to cherry pick all the time and so no one believes anything you say.
    Also, every night on all the channels there are forums of “talking heads” on the left who are doing mental masturbation on this confrontation. They reverse the players and do what ifs on the scenario. So even your favorite liberal cohorts are making your statement above look foolish.

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  36. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Todd, you are an idiot. A total complete idiot. I posted the VERBATIM TEXT OF PRESIDENT OBAMA’S COMMENTS. The President most emphatically did not say what George has attributed to him IN QUOTATION MARKS.
    In short, George’s quote is a lie.

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  37. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Steve Frisch, you are dense. The accurate diagnosis of Obama’s words are spoken by George. You must have missed your meds this morning. Or go take a swig of your JB since you seem to be pretty testy.

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  38. Gregory Avatar

    “And do we actually think that he would have been justified in shooting Mr. Zimmerman who had followed him in a car because he felt threatened?”
    To actually be on point, the President should have said, “Do we actually think he would have been justified in shooting Mr. Zimmerman who didn’t start a fight and wasn’t beating him up?”
    I suspect the President made the surprise appearance at the scheduled conference mostly to give the weekend talking heads something to talk about besides Thursday’s revelations at the IRS hearings, that Tea Party 501c paperwork was routed to the IRS Chief Counsel’s office, a staunch Democrat and one of only two political appointees in the entire IRS.

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  39. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Here is an LA Times story of a Houston protest IN FAVOR of the verdict and in support of Zimmerman.The story cracks me up though in that it diminishes the attendance to a : “hundred” for the verdict and “thousands” for the New Black Panthers. A bit of bias? Oh, and to the credit of the news-person they did interview a black man in favor.
    http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-george-zimmerman-protest-20130721,0,1787868.story

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  40. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Bill,
    I will have the greater discussion with you since nobody else seems capable of handling it.
    I don’t know if your statistics are correct but will assume they are correct.
    Why is it that a certain segment of the population despite what era we live in always has trouble getting out of poverty and the crosshairs of our laws, enforcement, and court system? Why is it that the average accumulated wealth of a white family is nearly $100,000 and that of a black family $5,000? What is it that has caused such a great disparity in accumulated wealth?
    The second round of questions goes to my 500 years of oppression and discrimination towards people of color.
    What is the history of blacks or people of color in the USA? Do you believe if a system is overtly dysfunctional and oppressive for nearly 200 years that a few laws and mandates can reverse a 200 year history that is embedded in every aspect of life in America within a single generation?
    I don’t like affirmative action at all but it was and is most definitely needed. Affirmative action and the “Great Society” are not reparations but a tool to try and slow down the discrimination enough so people can jump off the poverty train and into the middle class by giving opportunity. But government mandates can only truly affect a small part of our society as a whole. The changing of minds and mentalities is the much steeper and taller mountain to climb.

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  41. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Bill,
    Here is the link to the accumulate wealth statistic, I think the numbers on all have dropped a bit since the banking crisis of 07’/08′. Also since Nixon every administration has been chipping away at the policies of the Great Society.
    http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2011/07/26/wealth-gaps-rise-to-record-highs-between-whites-blacks-hispanics/
    Wealth Gaps Rise to Record Highs Between Whites, Blacks, Hispanics
    “The median wealth of white households is 20 times that of black households and 18 times that of Hispanic households, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of newly available government data from 2009.”

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  42. Gregory Avatar

    To Ben (3:10PM)
    Póg mo thóin you f’ing gom.
    Once again, the police and the FBI failed to find any evidence Zimmerman was motivated by race, and they were trying really hard to find it. That link you posted to a Bashir MSNBC commentary was classic, in that he didn’t actually dispute the evidence Martin was connected to at least one residential burglary and was a troubled youth, freshly suspended from school (for the third time) and sent 200 miles from home to stay with his dad’s girlfriend rather than with either parent. Instead, Martin attacked those looking at the evidence that Martin was no longer the angel in those old photos the family provided and was now the young angry man as pictured at the top of this rumination.

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  43. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Mr. Gregory. President Obama’s comments were off the cuff, non scripted for once. It serves to give us insight into Obama’s mind and thought process, but usually lands a President in hot water. Later he revised his comments and stayed on script. I won’t bother to see which words were spoken to which audience. It is a waste of time.
    Thanks for the heads up about the IRS. Stunning to say the least.
    As far as the Zimmerman/Martin trail goes, another whistle blower got hired. Transparency is a bad thing nowadays. Especially when someone’s life is on the line. And I ain’t talking just Benghazi
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/14/whistle-blowing-state-official-fired-after-testimony-in-zimmerman-trial/

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  44. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Ben, I will get back to you later. Have to drive to town to pick up some stuff. On vacation, so I have plenty of time to discuss race relations in America and the globe.

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  45. George Rebane Avatar

    stevenfrisch 644am – Thank you for noting that error. I copied what was apparently a paraphrase from an aired commentary and, as you point out, not the actual words of the president. The 21jul13 update has been corrected.

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  46. Gregory Avatar

    Thinking he knows the answer, Ben asks, “Why is it that the average accumulated wealth of a white family is nearly $100,000 and that of a black family $5,000? What is it that has caused such a great disparity in accumulated wealth?”
    Maybe the answer isn’t racism but the following:
    “On average, African American twelfth-grade students read at the same level as white eighth-grade students”
    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/tavissmiley/tsr/too-important-to-fail/fact-sheet-outcomes-for-young-black-men/
    I Tivo’d Thomas Sowell on CSPAN BookTV recently, and he was speaking to the success of students of asian ancestry. Recalling a time when he was a young professor, he said one weekend evening he went to the university library. Most of the students who were there were Asian, a minority were caucasian, and there wasn’t a single black or latino. His point? Asians were successful in school because they WORKED!
    As long as it is common for young black students to denigrate academic success as ‘acting white’, they are bound as a group to fail.
    It isn’t genetic. Sowell is also on the record as saying that when he was a kid, reading scores in Harlem were about the same as in white neighborhoods, and that he (Sowell) had to work like mad to catch up to Harlem classmates after moving to NYC from the South. And in southern California, Bennett-Kew Elementary school in Inglewood outscores all the public elementary schools in Nevada and Placer counties despite being virtually all poor, black and brown. The reason? They get rid of teachers who think black and brown kids aren’t capable, that blame low achievement on societal racism.

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  47. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Ok Mr. Ben. I am back, but only briefly. Things keep coming up. I am replying because I said I would and I don’t want to be a flake. Flakes are friends, lol.
    Touching on Gregory’s point about education, the old saying is true: you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.
    Whats the solution? Throw more money at education? We have thrown more money at the problem for decades and yet we have now passed the point of diminishing returns.
    Throw more money at Welfare? You seem to think having 80% of our USDA budget going to food stamps is something to be skipped over lightly Rather, you choose to focus on Big Ag and Monsanto. Please, tell me if 80% of the entire USDA budget going to food stamps ain’t a boat load of money compared to farm subsidies.
    OK, here is my point which echoes Gregory’s latest post:
    The Atlantic Journal came out with a 40 year study a few years back (18 years?). This was the most comprehensive long term study taken, and not a religious or spiritual study. Quite a study meticulously documented every which way to Sunday.
    From that study we got the PSA’s that said the without a Dad, children or more likely to drop out of school, teens more likely to get pregnant out of wedlock, and so forth and so on touching every single aspect of the child’s life from probably of incarceration to succeeding in life. THUS, my point of the breakdown of the family unit in America. Start with that, not slavery. Mothers may be better caring parents, but the Father has more influence on the child than the mother’s. I am speaking openly and frankly to you, Mr. Ben.
    Yes, slavery cannot be dismissed out of hand as a factor, neither can racism nor poverty or any of the many factors.
    The most important thing a parent can do to change a child in poverty is to read to them (outside of religious/spiritual training). Read to them. Countless anecdotal stories of a “welfare” momma in the ghetto frightened that her boys are joining gangs and dropping out. The mother brings the boys in a reads to them for an hour an afternoon. The turn around is amazing. The jr high aged black kids turn out to be doctors and lawyers and stay out of jail. Truly amazing.
    Without an intact family unit the odds are stacked against the black community. Uncle Sam is no substitute for Daddy, even a not so great Father. No law can ever make someone obtain better parenting skills, but it is a whole lot easier when there are two parents tag-teaming to lead Jr. on the right path. You cannot transmit what you don’t have, which is a topic to be continued later.

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  48. Al Avatar
    Al

    Zimmerman was found to be not guilty. Does this imply that the president’s son is found guilty of attempted murder?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX1sxARNq_c

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  49. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Posted by: George Rebane | 22 July 2013 at 09:14 AM
    Thank you for updating the Presidential quote. Kudos to you for just coping to it rather than engaging in the nonsense Todd did above.
    I note the substantive change in your understanding of what the President actually said, rather than what one observer thinks they heard, did not change your perspective in the update.
    Is it really so unreasonable for the President to ask the question?
    I am wondering if reading the Presidents real words might not change your perspective?

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