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George Rebane

[This is the transcript of my regular KVMR commentary broadcast on 5 July 2013.]

For years I straddled the fence on the legalization of drug use, especially seemingly benign versions like marijuana.  Then I finally got off the fence in favor of making the whole catalog of drugs legal since the war on drugs was not being won, and the collateral damage from the conflict took a horrendous toll on lives and freedoms (more here).  I cast my lot with those who counseled legalizing drugs, controlling their distribution at prices that made no one rich, and mopping up the human detritus pretty much as we already do with alcohol and illegal drug use.

The idea is to get the criminal element out of the business, and thereby greatly reduce the layers of well-funded law enforcement agencies that benefitted from the other side of that sorry business.  But that’s easier said than done since both the drug cartels and dealers agree with the feds that narcotics should remain on the wrong side of the law.  Today the promoters of marijuana use have made contentious inroads in several states to legalize both recreational and medicinal use of that dear little weed.  The resulting dust-ups have even reached the local levels such as we are witnessing here in Nevada County where one jurisdiction gives their approval for smoking pot under certain conditions, and another jurisdiction is adamant in saying ‘no way Jose’.

So far the main point of pot proponents has been that smoking it gives rise to no significant health risks and does serve to ease certain aches and pains in addition to soothing the savage breast.  But now reports have appeared in prestigious medical journals like Lancet and the Journal of Psychiatry announcing that “medical research shows a clear link between marijuana and mental illness.”  Well, I didn’t know that.


Moreover, the most apparent causal link is between smoking pot and schizophrenia, a widespread and most pernicious and debilitating form of mental illness that affects several times more people than are afflicted with multiple sclerosis, Parkinson’s disease, and even HIV/AIDS.  We learn that “less than one third of the people with schizophrenia can hold a steady job or live independently”, and that about the same fraction of homeless people suffer from the disease.

The really bad part of the evidence is that this effect is greatest after young people imbibe during their teens and early twenties.  Psychiatry says that all of us are predisposed to live near the edge of the “cliff of sanity”, and some come into the world closer to the cliff than others.  The evidence on marijuana consumption is that it pushes people even more toward the edge.  And those who started out closer to that precipice of insanity often get pushed over.

So this news is taking us into a new area in the legalization debate.  Dr Samuel Wilkinson of Yale’s Department of Psychiatry reports (here) on the connection between marijuana and mental illness.  He advises that we owe it to the mentally ill among us “and to society in general to consider all the facts, risks, and potential benefits before we embark on this drastic social experiment” of legalizing marijuana.  “If the end of Prohibition offers any historical precedence, once marijuana is legalized it will be all but impossible to undo.”

In this context we should consider the already tenuous cognitive state of our under-educated and uninformed electorate and workforce.  I believe that this research should be taken seriously and followed to wherever it might lead.  It should not be dismissed by marijuana proponents in a manner similar to how true believers in man-made global warming today have dismissed the new findings that dispute the long promoted yet scientifically contended views of the International Panel on Climate Change.

As I consider these findings, the response of Lord Keynes comes to mind.  When a reporter pointed out that the famous economist had flipped on a long held thesis.  He said, “When new information conflicts with a previous belief, I change my mind.  What do you do?”

My name is Rebane, and I also expand on this and related themes on NCTV and on georgerebane.com where the transcript of this commentary is posted with relevant links, and where such issues are debated extensively.  However my views are not necessarily shared by KVMR.  Thank you for listening.

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168 responses to “Mindbending Marijuana”

  1. Gregory Avatar

    Mike, you owe me a number of apologies. It’s a simple fact. But it is your decision and your choice.
    You owe Juvinal a few, too.

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  2. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    How many apologies do I owe you, Greg? How many apologies do you owe to me? Let’s come up with a number for each of those two categories, and to whomever is owed the most, let the apologizing begin.
    Regarding Todd, we owe each other nothing. I would not accept his apologies, for he owes me none. I believe that he feels the same way.

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  3. Gregory Avatar

    You’re in no position to throw stones, Mike. In my case, my wife was literally in FEAR when you appeared to be a stalker who was issuing real threats (including posting my address (if I didn’t stop calling you “Mike”) and not just an online bully feeling his oats pushing a “denier” around.
    You and Pelline are a pair.

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  4. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Gregory | 14 July 2013 at 02:43 PM: Mr. Gregory, very good website you posted. I can see the jerk in myself and, of course, the jerk in others. The theme of “the last word” I found quite interesting. I especially enjoyed #9 (quick to mount their high horse and slow to dismount).
    On sites where I have been banned for life (lol) I on rare occasions brought up some good counter arguments. Too good I reckon because the usual response was “nothing to see here, move on”. Some would rather eat their young than admit they made a boo-boo or even outwardly admit they were flat wrong. The defense mechanism is a deep seated reflex.
    The FUE has found a nice niche for himself and his wife has as well so I wish them well.
    Wasn’t it Pilate who responded to Jesus with the question “What is truth?”
    Well, I know we all have good days and bad days. Sometimes I wake up grumpy and sometimes I let her sleep.

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  5. Gregory Avatar

    Tozer, the bully categories link was posted by mandersonation, who is in a position to know.

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  6. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    My apologies Mr. Gregory about who posted the link. Nonetheless, it is a good site with funny information. Funny because it contains enough truth to ring a bell. Did not take it as bullies, just plain old human nature. If I thought it was directed at you, I would have remained silent. You always have good things to post and have the ability to shrink long winded large ideas into funneled nutshell focus.
    I also liked the web site because it points out (by omission) that people just can’t see their blind spots. We all have them, which are obvious to everyone but ourselves. Plain as the nose one’s face. Unfortunately, people who point the index finger can’t see that they have 3 other fingers pointing back. The one who actually posted the website is an example. Quite paradoxical.

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  7. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Mr. Tozer, thanks for the chuckle. Sometimes I wake up Happy, but then that makes her unhappy so I’ve learned to let her wake up on her own. BTW, I’m quite comfortable regarding where my fingers point.
    Apparently Greg’s grokker was broken today. Instead of something with value, he once again posted his fever dream about an anonymous post he read on The Union that wasn’t even addressed to him, grabbed his submissive second wife by the arm and made her read his stupid blog comments, and then said, “see, he’s stalking you!!!, you need to exhibit some DEEP FEAR so I can have something to latch on to that will give my life meaning.”
    And here we are. Greg’s pitiful lamentations of something, still not being addressed. So very sad.
    I do think this might be a good opportunity to address, however, the number of apologies Greg owes to the blogging community, and to whom…I’ve been keeping track:
    Jeff Pelline — 22 apologies, 17 about weight and 5 about academics.
    George Rebane — 14 apologies, 8 for being a jerk on RR and 6 for calling George’s intelligence into question.
    Russ Steele — 7 apologies, 5 for calling Russ’ intelligence into question regarding AGW and 2 for unnecessary snarkiness regarding a side issue.
    Bill Tozer — 9 apologies, 6 for being too technical when that wasn’t the discussion and 3 for clueless comments that I am sure hurt Bill’s feelings (though he would never show it).
    Dirt Mover — 4 apologies, 3 for inappropriately traducing DM’s chosen profession and 1 for criticizing his helmet.
    Ben Emery — 47 apologies, 32 for putting words in his mouth, 9 for being negative about Ben’s academic efforts, and 6 for calling Ben a communist.
    Steve Frisch — 153 apologies, all of them for just being a general douche bag when it came to commenting on Mr. Frisch’s business at SBC and Mr. Frisch himself.
    Todd Juvinall — 16 apologies, 14 for calling him “unbelievably stupid” and 2 for claiming that he was once in a violent motorcycle gang.
    Paul Emery — 94 apologies, all for stupid, irrelevant, non sequitur-ed, and arrogant comments regarding KVMR and Paul’s oversight of their evening news program.
    Douglas Keachie — 15,691 apologies, all for unnecessary defamation and malice.
    Scott Obermuller — 3 apologies, 2 for questioning his religious beliefs and 1 for a pompous rejoinder that fell dead.
    Michael Anderson — I’ll show you mine if you show me yours.
    Ryan Mount — 37 apologies, 13 for incorrect technological citations, 17 for general unneeded grouchiness, and 7 for missing the point/changing the subject.
    fish — 8 apologies, all for assuming that he was an Exocoetus when he is actually a Cypselurus.
    Holly A. Hermansen — 169 apologies, all for lambasting the Nevada County educational system from the narrow viewpoint of his own progeny and not giving a rip about anyone else’s kids.
    I have more, but we’ll leave it at that for today. Have a great summer everyone!! Love and peace, out…
    Michael A.

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  8. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    My, what a long list. The only one of importance is criticizing Mr. Dirt Mover’s helmet. Totally mind bending to dis such a fine helmet (to stay on topic).

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  9. Gregory Avatar

    “Instead of something with value, he once again posted his fever dream about an anonymous post he read on The Union that wasn’t even addressed to him”
    What did that post say? In part,
    “Let it be known that people like you pose the greatest danger to life on earth, and we are cataloging your behavior in real time. People like you–educated, but toadies for the evil life killers of the planet for whatever reason–are high on the target list.
    Dumping carbon is evil, just like dumping sewage into a river is evil. If you can’t agree to that, we have a major problem.”
    The “anonymous post” was signed mandersonation, a handle used only by Michael Anderson, and Michael Anderson has admitted to being the author. He later wrote to me regarding the post, “But you haven’t let it go. I’m not sure why. I apologized to you in email.”
    What did the apology say?
    “I regret that I posted an angry and reactive response, albeit an accurate one.”
    Michael, at least keep your story straight.

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  10. Gregory Avatar

    And regarding Michael and his delusional list of my supposed transgressions, Ahab would understand the obsession he’s showing.

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  11. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Ahh, my good friend, Selective Story Greg.
    Actually, I didn’t apologize to you. I asked you to meet with me. You refused, which I have now learned was because you needed to not have a personal relationship with your own white whale. Whatever, sick dude.
    The guy with the bunny ears? Falling out of trees? That’s you, buddy. Get some help.

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  12. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Yeah, just so we’re clear: “I regret that I posted an angry and reactive response, albeit an accurate one.”
    Accurate, in that you are not a good person in your present form, and that people are keeping you at arms length legally, and that a dossier of your illegal behavior is being iterated daily.
    Just the facts, ma’am. I hope your are feeding your lawyer with a high protein feed. My lawyer is pissed, he wants to eviscerate you 12 ways to Sunday, but I keep telling him “no.”
    Your fever dream continues, but like the guy in the tree, eventually it all comes tumbling down. Have a nice flight, sad-person-of-anger.

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  13. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Regarding obsession, just so we’re clear, this is about me taking on a public service job, eradicating a public nuisance. Let’s call it a citizen’s arrest.
    “Scale of dragon; tooth of wolf;
    Witches’ mummy; maw and gulf
    Of the ravin’d salt-sea shark;
    Root of hemlock digg’d i the dark;
    Liver of blaspheming Jew;
    Gall of goat, and slips of yew
    Sliver’d in the moon’s eclipse;
    Nose of Turk, and Tartar’s lips;
    Finger of birth-strangled babe
    Ditch-deliver’d by a drab,—
    Make the gruel thick and slab:
    Add thereto a tiger’s chaudron,
    For the ingrediants of our caldron.
    Double, double toil and trouble;
    Fire burn, and caldron bubble.
    Cool it with a baboon’s blood,
    Then the charm is firm and good.”
    M.

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  14. Gregory Avatar

    Thanks, Mike, I think you’ve done a fine job of establishing malice for your part.

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  15. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    No malice GG, just taking care of business. You remember business, right? When you had to deal with a supervisor, and there were stakeholders, and there were consequences for bad behavior? Do your remember those things? Just checking…

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  16. George Rebane Avatar

    Gentlemen, I think this off topic exchange is boring RR readers to tears and has now come to an end.

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  17. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Hey Guys, I wasn’t even in the argument. Darn it!

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  18. Gregory Avatar

    “Regarding obsession, just so we’re clear, this is about me taking on a public service job, eradicating a public nuisance.”
    Sounds a lot like the MSNBC caricatures of George Zimmerman, doesn’t it?

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