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George Rebane

[This is the transcript of my regular KVMR commentary broadcast on 21 June 2013.]

These commentaries have often visited the unfolding tragedy of what our public education has inflicted on our country and its workforce.  Among the developed nations we rank way down there in every measured category of educational achievement.  But most of us go through the daily round without giving it much thought, or are simply comfortable with the false conclusion that our kids are being properly prepared for the job market, and generally that things are going along swimmingly.  Well they aren’t.

So now the federal government has decided to get into the act of educating our children.  This should not be a surprise since the feds are getting into every act possible that affects our lives.  We have witnessed how Dodd-Frank has misfired in the financial markets, and how Obamacare is screwing up America’s healthcare to a fare thee well.  But folks, this is serious and deserves your full attention whether you’re a parent or not.  Apparently feds haven’t done enough to K-12 education through their various ‘we’re here to help’ programs and their support of the teachers’ unions.  Now they plan to establish a unified curriculum across the land called Common Core.


Historically public education has been business left to the several states.  The principle has always been that education should be as local as possible where parents can meet with school districts and teachers, and influence what is being taught to their offspring.  But this is not according to the grand plan taking us to a new world order.  You see, your kids are really not yours.  Progressive professor Melissa Harris-Perry of Tulane University says it real plain, so that we all can understand, that things have to change radically.  Her words –

“So part of it is that we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents, or kids belong to their families, and recognize that kids belong to whole communities.  Once it’s everybody’s responsibility, and not just the household’s, then we start making better (education) investments.”

And the better investments dangled before the states consist of gobs of stimulus monies for education programs, granted on the condition that the states adopt the federal Common Core curricula for their schools.  I needn’t remind you of how things work out whenever individual responsibility is made into a collective responsibility, the history books are full of the resulting national scale tragedies.

But not to worry, our children will not be exposed to any of that inconvenient history.  In fact in Common Core’s history dead white men will not be heard from very much, and American foundational history will be a thing of the past.  Instead our little darlings will be taught environmentalism, globalism, feminism, social, racial issues, …, you get the idea.  But that is just the start.

The revision of the curriculum hits full stride in the maths that are the foundation of the sciences.  For example, while other countries competing in the global markets start teaching math fundamentals earlier, our new Common Core moves the teaching of algebra up from the eighth grade to the ninth grade.  This means that beginning calculus, fundamental to all the higher maths, will no longer be taught in our high schools.

The argument for Common Core is that it will standardize what our kids learn and put them into a better competitive position in the global workforce.  But it promises to do exactly the opposite of that.  The only thing we can be sure of is its impact on our youth, in that it will diminish the little that is left of what we used to call American culture.  But then, is that not an overarching objective as we shed the last vestiges of American exceptionalism?

I urge all concerned listeners to examine for themselves what Common Core promises to deliver as it makes over America’s educational system. Will adopting a federally mandated national curriculum really provide the education required for our children to earn a decent living and again make a difference that has been the hallmark of America?  Reflecting on this I am reminded of someone who said, “Give me just one generation of youth, and I'll transform the whole world."

My name is Rebane, and I also expand on this and related themes on NCTV and on georgerebane.com where the transcript of this commentary is posted with relevant links, and where such issues are debated extensively.  However my views are not necessarily shared by KVMR.  Thank you for listening.

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Some Common Core links:
Common Core State Standards Initiative
‘There’s No Opting Out of Common Core’
‘Common Core Needs More Debate’

[22jun13 update]  I received the following email from CABPRO's ED Chuck Shea announcing a Common Core related event for the coming week; content follows –

Come and hear Orlean Koehle, author of: “Common Core — A Trojan Horse for
Education Reform”

A book about the federal
takeover of our children’s education

Orlean’s Website:    www.cuacc.org 
 
Find out the similarities:
“Parens Patria” is the Latin term for Hitler’s philosophy; literally translated
“the Fatherland is the parent"

What is "Common Core"?

  • It
    is – new & untested curriculum.
  • It
    is – the Federal takeover of our entire education system.
  • It
    is – data mining over 400 personal facts permanently retained about our
    children from preschool through college and into the workplace, includes
    fingerprints, health records, iris scans, DNA, blood type, religion,
    family income, disciplinary problems and much, much more.
  • It
    is – no parental control or opt-­-out option.
  • It
    is – no local or state control of curriculum.
  • It
    is – a one size fits all instruction and mandatory teacher compliance.
  • It
    is – intruding on the creativity and competitive nature of charter
    schools.
  • It
    is – expensive! Common Core will cost taxpayers $1.6 billion in CA alone.

When:  Wednesday June
26, 2013 • 5:30 pm

Where:  Penny’s Diner
                 
2072 Nevada City Highway • Grass Valley

Admission: 
   CABPRO Members $5  • General Admission $10
Refreshments:
 Cheese and Fruit

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145 responses to “Common Core is Coming (updated 22jun13)”

  1. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Tozer, I don’t really give a shit (test) if George (or you) calls me a communist, its just a cartoon at this point… I do care about him getting away with claiming that in the context of his post he was not implying that supporters of Common Core are communists…and you guys playing along with the insane fiction of that…because it insults the intelligence of everyone here, and anyone else reading. I would care about insulting your intelligence but your clearly have such an intimate knowledge of the inside of an elephants ass (test) that i feel like I can’t kick ya’ when you’re down.

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  2. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Thank you for your kind edifying words Mr. Frisch. I am just too plumb dumb to know what you b speaking of, but I really do appreciate your applause. Made this beautiful morning even better. Thanks again.
    As far a communists and the term goes, it is really thrown around too much. I have met a true bone-fide communist here in California. A rare breed. A next door neighbor of a friend. Professor of something at UC Santa Barbara. He had every building inspector shaking in their boots and bending the rules and a most disagreeable lout. He had civil suits against him from many, many quarters. He even sued my friend when my friend was talking to some construction workers on the street and offered them coffee. My friend received a restraining order barring him from talking to the construction crew working on the communist’s house. Stranger than fiction.
    In court, when the Pinko identified himself, a man in a karate outfit walked up to the the Professor and served him with some papers from a suit back East, lol.
    Now, that is the exception, not the rule. Most people mix up Pinkos with Socialists. I know a few who proudly identify themselves as “card carding communists”, but are really just liberals. I know some conservatives that confuse commies with liberals and socialists as well.
    Me thinks you may be a bit too sensitive to the term “communist.” Most communists are either dead or the few remain are hiding in the Ivy covered institutions of higher learning in the Northeast. You live in Nevada County, so I doubt you are a actual pinko in the true sense. Good thing about real communists is they are usually party leaders and have all the perks and privileges that us unwashed masses do not receive. Just like the 1%ers in a capitalistic kind of way (without all the blood, sweat and tears of building a business from the ground up).
    Loved your fig leaf reference. Eve wore a fig leaf and Adam wore a hole right through that fig leaf.

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  3. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Steve,
    I have tried over and over to get someone on RR to explain briefly what is communism. No volunteers, I believe once they actually researched it for 10 seconds they found out what they were told is communist isn’t even close. Communism as a form of government has failed on a large scale in every instance. It can and has worked on a small scale very successfully.

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  4. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Leaving communism to its rightful place in the dust bin of history, our educational system is broken to put it briefly. Don’t know what the Feds can do about it except throw more money and rules at the problem. Remain satisfied that we passed the point of diminishing returns. “At least we did something” and they all can sleep better at night. Yep, that will solve the problem.
    I see little in Common Core that will start the trend line moving upward, but I suppose if you keep doing what you are doing, you will keep getting what your getting. You walk 20 miles into the woods, you gotta walk 20 miles out.
    Perhaps some will say “it can’t hurt.” Fair enough. Saw this article and it is eerily reminiscent of our Common public school educational system.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/21/study-govt-losing-billions-on-inefficient-tax-subsidies-that-dont-curb-climate/

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  5. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 702am – communism is defined in this blog’s glossary, the question of sufficient attributes to use a label has been thoroughly aired here, as also have the scales at which collectivism (of which communism is subset) works and breaks down. That you don’t find everything you happen to think about on the current page or ongoing comment stream may not be the weakness you see in others. But sure makes reasoned conversation with you nigh on impossible.

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  6. Gregory Avatar

    By Frisch’s own standards, he’s lying about the definition of lying I presented. Regarding my apology for an error in recollection, no, it wasn’t accompanied by the groveling you’d like to see, and won’t. Regarding Common Core and climate change, the devil is in the details, and science lessons aligning with CCSS are all in the AGW camp. Here’s one that, to the developers, probably looks to be balanced but is based on a straw man:
    “Explain to students that there are generally two schools of thought regarding
    climate change: One is that the Earth’s climate is being dangerously influenced by human actions; the second is that any signs of climate change are part of the Earth’s natural cycle and that there is nothing we can or should do about that.”
    That isn’t the argument of the scientists on the side of skepticism, and that lesson is designed to lead kids to decide to believe in catastrophic CC.
    I see Ben has lectured us about what he thinks communism is, and thinks everyone he disagrees with has only spent about 10 seconds thinking about the subject.
    Finally, George, more aligned with the Common Core subject, here’s a brand new NY Times article that is perhaps the best argument I’ve ever seen, a fortuitous collaboration between a professor of philosophy and a professor of mathematics.
    This deserves a thread all of its own:
    “The Faulty Logic of the ‘Math Wars’”
    http://nyti.ms/10oXdUj
    One aside that pops out that speaks to the Common Core claims of traditional math teaching:
    “Reformists sometimes try to claim as their own the idea that good math instruction shows students why, and not just that, algorithms work. This is an excellent pedagogical precept, but it is not the invention of fans of reform math. Although every decade has its bad textbooks, anyone who takes the time to look at a range of math books from the 1960s, 70s or 80s will see that it is a myth that traditional math programs routinely overlooked the importance of thoughtful pedagogy and taught by rote.”

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  7. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Hey Greg, could you please cite the specific place in the Common Core guidelines that you found the following:
    “Explain to students that there are generally two schools of thought regarding
    climate change: One is that the Earth’s climate is being dangerously influenced by human actions; the second is that any signs of climate change are part of the Earth’s natural cycle and that there is nothing we can or should do about that.”
    I like to try to cite my sources, as I did above, so the reader can go read it in its original context and make their own judgement.

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  8. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    It is no surprise to me that you do not know how to apologize Greg.
    Just to be clear, when one repeats misinformation, after being called on it several times or being present in threads where it has been called out several times over the past 3 years, and you don’t go back to the source information to check your accuracy, it is no mistake…it is a bold faced lie.
    So, you are a liar. You are not ‘mistaken’, it is not a ‘false recollection’, it is a persistently repeated lie. And that fact that you are so small that you don’t know how to apologize when proven false, just confirms to every reader here what a pathetic excuse for a man you are.

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  9. Russ Steele Avatar

    Let’s see now. If we combine this argument “Explain to students that there are generally two schools of thought regarding climate change: One is that the Earth’s climate is being dangerously influenced by human actions; the second is that any signs of climate change are part of the Earth’s natural cycle and that there is nothing we can or should do about that.” Then we add in the Common Core reading list that promotes AGW across the board with with stories about the poor polar bears and Arctic melting and the effects of global warming on all animals, students are led down the path that humans are responsible for climate change. The idea of natural cycles gets lost in the propaganda for AGW. I did not find any books on the reading list that promoted natural climate cycles. If I over looked some please let me know where I have gone astray.

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  10. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    I don’t know Russ, perhaps YOU COULD PROVIDE US WITH A LINK TO THE READING LIST YOU ARE REFERRING TO? Then we might be able to actually see what you are referring to in its original form!
    I have the Appendix to Common Core that covers some suggested texts right here:
    http://www.corestandards.org/assets/Appendix_B.pdf
    It might be worth noting that these are EXAMPLES of the types of reading a teacher may want to use, they are not REQUIREMENTS for what reading teachers must use.

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  11. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Just for giggles here again is the link to the Citizens United Against Common Core web site promoted by Ms. Orlean Koehle, who will be CAPRO’s speaker on Wednesday. I note that I cannot find anywhere on that site where they link to the specific components of Common Core that they find either inaccurate or objectionable. Much like the writers here there seems to be a disconnect between the actual original texts and the objections.
    There does seem to be a proclivity in all of these connected ‘freedom’ efforts to use BOLD TEXT, the color RED, dark backgrounds, and very large FONT. It is kind of funny when one switches back and forth between the “Constitutional Sheriffs”, “CABPRO”, “Freedom Advocates”, “Defend Rural America”, “Democrats Against Agenda 21”, “Nevada County Tea Party Patriots” and others to see the common web design theme….
    Of course there are the obligatory and interchangeable references to Nazism, Socialism and Communism…..
    http://cuacc.org

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  12. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    “The following text samples primarily serve to exemplify the level of complexity and quality that the Standards require all students in a given grade band to engage with. Additionally, they are suggestive of the breadth of texts that stu- dents should encounter in the text types required by the Standards. The choices should serve as useful guideposts in helping educators select texts of similar complexity, quality, and range for their own classrooms. They expressly do not represent a partial or complete reading list.”–Common Core Appendix B.
    I don’t know how much clearer one could be.

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  13. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 830am – Thanks for that NYT article, it is an important read. I don’t want to retrace here what my preferred curricular sequence is for K-12, but it does seem that the author, apparently not a mathematician in any sense, misses a key attribute of algorithmics and the benefits of its early introduction.
    The simple truth of algorithmics – be it in math or in how to field dress a buck – is that algorithms beget algorithms. And the adoption and transmittal of algorithms is central to all human advancement. This is a summary handout of what I taught my students in a critical thinking course for journalists some years back and then reapplied at my last whirl in industry.
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2007/12/its-all-in-the.html

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  14. Gregory Avatar

    I see Frisch is still trying to redefine what a “lie” is.
    “A lie is a false statement to a person or group made by another person or group who knows it is not the whole truth, intentionally.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie
    My strong but false recollection was that you hadn’t been identified as the President of the SBC and was quick to retract it when you produced the link.
    The reason I had such a strong memory of it being hidden is probably that in the blog discussion that followed, you did follow your usual big lie of ommission… claiming you were just a concerned citizen paying attention to politics like the rest of us, conveniently hiding the fact that part of your business included profiting from carbon regulations.
    “a lie by omission occurs when an important fact is left out in order to foster a misconception.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie#Lying_by_omission
    So Steve, you’re a liar?

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  15. Gregory Avatar

    George, the cited co-author is a respected mathematician at Johns Hopkins who became interested in K-12 curriculums when he found his incoming students were lacking adequate preparation.
    While I appreciate your thoughts on algorithms, I don’t think the article was especially flawed for not dwelling on them in the same fashion. In the context of K-12 math, “algorithms” means actually being able to add, subtract, multiply and divide integers, decimals and fractions efficiently with what most parents would recognize as the methods they were taught. Elegant methods that are taught because they work. And, if I may use a phrase most would agree with, “It is easier to understand multiplication if you can multiply than if you can’t.”

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  16. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Greg, nice of you to ignore that this issue has come up on numerous other occasions and that I have said the same thing each time…I do not hide who I am.
    Frankly, I don’t believe that you were ignorant [although I find it very easy to believe that you are usually ignorant]. I think you are a liar, who is so focused on responding to people with vitriol that you would stop at nothing, not even debasing your own ethics, to make a point.
    The bottom line is I consistently kick your ignorant but on the issues we debate so you have to resort to motive, salary, changing the subject or arcane claims I am somehow breaking the rules.
    Every reader note: neither Greg, George or Russ has come up with a single specific sourced instance where they disagree for cause with Common Core. The ONLY one on this blog who has provided sourced information and specific links to specific portions of Common Core is me.
    Ask yourselves why they cannot cite specifics? Go read the individual portion of Common Core yourselves and ask if you think they are appropriate.
    This is a stalking horse; a right wing meme; another ploy by the perpetrators of fear to whip up public sentiment to their advantage. This is propaganda…pure and simple.

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  17. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 120pm – Well taken, thanks Greg. My 957am failed to include some heartening experiences I’ve had with kids under 10 (including my own) relating to algorithmics, which I’m sure you also have shared. Invariably a very important light bulb goes off in their little heads when they realize how a common task can be seen as an algo, then more importantly, recognized as not necessarily being the best possible algo – thereby inviting more algorizing to gain improvement that often can be made into a challenging and enlightening game.
    And once that light goes on, they never look at the world in a fixed ‘you gotta do it like this, cause this is how it’s always been done’ way again. For me the classic example was the young smart-ass Gauss being assigned the problem of adding up the first 100 integers in order to shut him up for a while.

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  18. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Ok, it has been several hours, so why can’t Russ source his information? Because he knows that if we dig into it we will find out that it is not Common Core. Russ is also lying.
    The text that Russ posted is from a third party text and on line learning publishing company based in Chicago named Common Ground Publishing.
    http://commongroundpublishing.com
    Common Ground Publishing partnered with the University of Illinois to create an on-line tool called Scholar.
    http://learning.cgscholar.com
    In one of Scholar’s on-line learning modules they posit the question Russ linked to above :
    “Explain to students that there are generally two schools of thought regarding climate change: One is that the Earth’s climate is being dangerously influenced by human actions; the second is that any signs of climate change are part of the Earth’s natural cycle and that there is nothing we can or should do about that.”
    …..and asks students to write an argument addressing the question “Should we (humans) change our habits because we are influencing the Earth’s climate?
    In the article supporting the ‘con’ case on taking action to mitigate climate change the article provided also includes this text, “The myth of global warming has been propagated by scientists focused on sounding alarms without data to substantiate their positions. Unfortunately, proposed ‘solutions’ to global warming will have devastating effects on the global economy.’
    https://assess-as-you-go.education.illinois.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/ArgumentProject.pdf
    In the learning module they identify how this exercise meets Common Core Standards by meeting several of the learning objectives, including this one for Grades 11-12, “Write arguments to support claims in an analysis of substantive topics or texts, using valid reasoning and relevant and substantial evidence.”
    In short, Common Core does not posit the answer, it asks students to write the argument and back it up with reasoning and facts. That is it. Thus the only connection between Common Core and the exercise is that it aligns with one of the requirements of Common Core Standards, a ‘reasoned argument’.
    The content of the exercise is the product of a third party publishing company, is not a part of Common Core, and the only Common Core purpose it satisfies is the ability to make a reasoned argument.
    But Russ is taking language from something that is not Common Core and passing it of as if it is. Russ is perpetrating a logical fallacy; saying that if something satisfies one of the goals of a thing, it is that thing, the classic “Correlation Proves Causation” fallacy. Greek philosophers would be rolling in their tombs.
    It is distantly possible that Russ did not know the source of his quote, that he took it from someone else’s talking points without doing any real work to know that what he was saying was true…you know, the IGNORANCE defense…but I find that very hard to believe. After all Russ is a BIG BRAIN, he would never do that!
    I don’t know about anyone else, but I would call that a LIE.

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  19. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Hey George, either my response to Greg about 30 minutes ago went to your holding folder, or you are censoring me because I am winning, which is it? 🙂

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  20. George Rebane Avatar

    stevenfrisch 208pm – thanks for the reminder. Typepad stuck it in spam.
    I guess my pointing out the teaching of algebra aspect was insufficient. And I would add Greg’s comments on the treatment of algorithmics. But the bottom line for opposing Common Cause is still that CC’s new minimum requirements will define the new bureaucratic norm (if that), and that its being imposed by the central planners is a no starter for those of us attempting to promote better locally controlled schools.
    You can bet that there will be more detritus coming down the pike with Common Core (as with Obamacare, Frank-Dodd, AB32, etc), but we’ll have to leave that to when CC is implemented. It will be interesting to see how the rewritten CC-compliant tests turn out.

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  21. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Posted by: George Rebane | 23 June 2013 at 02:42 PM
    Thanks for taking the “Posted by: stevenfrisch | 23 June 2013 at 01:22 PM” out of purgatory.
    Doesn’t the state already set minimum requirements under the THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION, CHAPTER 0520-1-3.o5, MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR THE APPROVAL OF PUBLIC SCHOOLS, STATE CURRICULUM ?
    Doesn’t that already set a norm?
    If the case is that the Federal norm is too low, isn’t that the case you should be making?
    If the case you are making is that educational curriculum should be solely controlled at the local level, and local schools should be solely managed at the school district level, then you should make it.
    I have no beef with you making either of these case; at least it is the straight case.
    I have a problem with the strategy of attacking Common Core as the culprit, when the real issue is the fundamental structure of educational administration and finance or the quality of the norms. This is how we create gridlock in our system–we attack the messenger or the example, like Common Core, instead of addressing the real issue, federalism in education–and everyone suffers stalemate.

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  22. George Rebane Avatar

    stevenfrisch 304pm – Well said, but I have been attacking federalism in education all these years. Common Core is just latest and most robust embodiment of it, so it indeed is the message and not merely the messenger. I’m sorry that I have not said it well enough for you to understand.

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  23. Gregory Avatar

    Golly, Steven Frisch just can’t get over that L word. Like a 3 year old repeating a word that they just like the sound of. Not exactly normal behavior for a 6 figure CEO of one of Nevada County’s 501c3 ‘charities’.
    Frisch, if I “lied”, sue me. See if you get any responsible adults to agree with your interpretation.
    Perhaps this might get to some interesting information… when you were crisscrossing the state lobbying against Prop 23 (for the moment we’ll accept the claim it was mostly on your own time even if you were always identified as the CEO of a 501c3), just what percentage of the time did you inform your audience your salary would be partially covered by carbon rents that were in jeopardy if Prop 23 passed?

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  24. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    This is where you are just full of crap, Greg….first, I am allowed under my 501c3 charter to spend time advocating on public issues…the question is how much time…is it a substantial part of our time or income allocated to issues advocacy…and the answer is/was no.. the standard is less than 20% in most cases….and as I stated it was less than 1-2%….second, we have never sold a carbon allowance, so the answer is ZERO % of my income has come from carbon allowances….but if it did that would be perfectly legal and ethical as well..and we have sold none since Prop 23 failed…so the answer is still ZERO….finally, I made no bones about our organizational mission and scope of work, in fact I stated it proudly at every public meeting I attended.
    You want to do something about it big man, file a friggin’ complaint…no one but you gives a darn.
    And I think I proved pretty conclusively that you lied….and now you are changing your tune…first I was hiding my affiliation….when I proved you lied about that now you are claiming I stated my affiliation…that is the problem with a serial liar….they can never keep their story straight.

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  25. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    And finally the real issue comes out ….government is too big…its not that there is anything wrong with the content of Common Core…it is that government is too big…so all the huffing and puffing and comparing Common Core to Nazis is just a screen for the real issue…government is just too big…and the posters here are stamping their feet like a bunch of babies…and obstructing what anyone else wants to do by throwing the kitchen sink at an issue rather than digging in and making the real case. Typical.

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  26. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    By the way, you never answered my question Greggy, who broke Goodwin’s Law?

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  27. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Oh and another thing, I never saw you at one of those forums, Greg. Where were you? Trolling blogs and raising hell? As Woody Allen said, “80% of life is showing up”.

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  28. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Government is too big is a problem. Finding excellent education in our public schools is a critical mass problem.
    Its not just Common Core as written. Its what is not written and how it is applied. Just like our current President and many people in power from various and sundry walks of life. Do we judge them on what they say or judge them on what they do. By their intentions or by their actions?
    It is prudent and wise to look at the actions that have played out through history, especially the last 50 years. Its probably a safe bet to assume no malice is written into Common Core’s agenda as such. However, we have been taken down this road before when a department is set up and the administrative rules, regulations, and tactics go far beyond the letter of the law. Take the EPA as one little example. Half the time what we now assume is the law is just some bureaucrat’s new regs.
    Thus, I am suspicious of what Common Core will morph into beyond what is now written of a piece of paper.
    Many folks who love Obama’s words are disillusioned by his actions. Many cling to his speeches and dismiss his actions out of hand because the words speak to their hearts. Others judge him by his intentions and absolve his actions. A small example.
    The public education of our children has failed the taxpayer, the parents, the nation, and most important of all, the student. Our students. Our future, and their future. Their future is not our future.
    Not so hidden agendas and actions by various educators (who could not land a job making P&J sandwiches in other fields) raise my radar. Yes, I have ample distrust of our government coupled with most government programs. And for good reason. Its just too darn big and inefficient and many times counterproductive.
    Send a white kid to college in the 60’s and he comes back a Black Panther. Best education money can buy.

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  29. Gregory Avatar

    Where was I when the SBC NH2020 delphi dog and pony show sessions were in full swing? My wife was dying and I was taking care of her and our son, and then just my son, along with being a full time senior engineer at Cisco. I did find out all I needed to know about them, so did everyone else.
    Regarding your ‘proof’, if you redefine words or accept logical fallacies, you can prove 2+2=5, and that’s pretty much what you did.
    The serial ‘lie’ remains one error, acknowledged and retracted. Much ado about nothing, but it’s the only error you’ve caught me on. Enjoy the moment.
    Regarding your claims to always having been open about your mission at SBC, the one thing we have in print (thanks for the link
    http://www.theunion.com/news/2285939-113/opinion-editorials-opinionivg ), you didn’t disclose to The Union readers, and you left it for me to disclose to the other commenters when you tried to portray yourself as a disinterested party. Forgive me if I take your recollections for all those other lobbying stops with a grain of salt.
    Now to change the subject… has everyone seen that according to the Danish Meteorological Institute, it’s the coldest start to the arctic summer since they’ve been monitoring temperature north of the 80th parallel? 55 years.
    http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
    Just weather, but if it was the warmest start to the summer of the arctic instrumental record, it would be reported as climate.

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  30. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Wow Greg, for a guy who prides himself on being a ‘scientist’ and his Cartesian and empirical world view, you really are all over the map.
    When I said you were no where to be seen, I did not mean in 2001 when you may have been dealing with your own personal tragedy, I meant 2010 when the debate over Proposition 23 was occurring and which you are now commenting on ex post facto. I was in the arena in 2010 debating a critical public policy issue and you were in your easy chair eating hot pockets.
    Although you may say that your oft previously corrected error is ‘much ado about nothing’, a careful reading of your posts would actually show that my lack of appropriate ‘disclosure’ is central to your case; a case you made without engaging in the very ‘science’ you claim to value, by simply checking the record, or the testimony of those present, such as Paul Emery who was there and took George to task at the time.
    In addition, you have constantly failed to prove your other main point, that there is something inherently wrong or unethical about my behavior, that having a purported ‘stake in the outcome’ [even though I have never personally benefitted from that stake] disqualifies one from commenting on or participating in a public policy issue. If that were indeed the case then property owners could not comment on zoning or property taxes, parents could not comment on education and the regulated could not comment on regulation. I state at every opportunity what the position and scope of work of my organization is; our work is both public record and a source of pride. I should state clearly, if my organization could benefit from the failure of Prop 23 I would happily do so. We live in the world as it is, and ‘policy’ is a framework through which ALL of us live and work.
    By the way, I challenge you to actually show where and when I ever said I was a ‘disinterested party’. I have never commented on any public policy issue where I believe myself to be ‘disinterested’; I comment when I am interested. What I remember was portraying myself as just another regular guy, a citizen, a member of the public. And that is exactly what I am. My particular status as an employee of a 501c3 does not make me anything more than a regular guy. In the good old USA every regular guy has a chance to exercise their first amendment rights to free speech and association and participate in our democracy. Rather than embracing that as a principle that makes our nation great you are seeking to vilify that behavior as the mark of Cain.
    It is clear to me that you sir are no scientist, you are actually a rather emotional and unbalanced man, aren’t you? Your pursuit of this point, and indeed the tone that you use in conversation with almost anyone who you have a logical or issues based disagreement with, is personal, grudging, and pathological.
    I actually pity your loss and personal tragedy. But that does not countenance public behavior that is uncivil and disingenuous. When someone tells boldfaced lies about a matter of public record I feel compelled to correct the record, especially when motivated by pathological malicious intent.
    I believe I will now spend me week in the arena, instead of the wallowing in the Aegean stable.

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    stevenfrisch

    Substitute ‘consistently’ for ‘constantly’ in the fourth paragraph and ‘my’ for ‘me’ in the final sentence. I-pad fingers.

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  32. Gregory Avatar

    “It is clear to me that you sir are no scientist, you are actually a rather emotional and unbalanced man, aren’t you?”
    There you go again. Sorry, Steve, I’m not the one behaving like Ahab here.

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  33. Russ Steele Avatar

    Massive Fail: Teaching Instruction An “Industry Of Mediocrity”
    National Council on Teacher Quality has called U.S. colleges of education an “industry of mediocrity” that churns out ill-prepared and under-qualified teachers.
    The Wall Street Journal reported the jaw-dropping statistics: As evidence mounts that teacher quality is one of the biggest determinants of student achievement, critics have complained that teacher-training programs have lax admission standards, scattered curriculum, and fail to give aspiring teachers real-life classroom training. The report echoes the complaints, saying many graduates lack the necessary classroom-management skills and subject knowledge needed. The report contends that it is too easy to get into teacher-preparation programs, with only about a quarter of them restricting admissions to applicants in the top half of their class. The typical grade-point-average to get into undergraduate programs is about 2.5, it said.
    The study assigned ratings of up to four stars to 1,200 programs at 608 institutions. Only four were awarded the four-star maximum. Fewer than 10 percent earned three or more stars, 14 percent earned zero stars, and one in seven received less than one star. For these, the NCTQ suggested that potential applicants refrain from applying, because they are “unlikely to obtain much return on their investment.”

    And meanwhile, teachers unions ensure that these incompetently prepared people are given lifetime tenure and protected evaluations. So not only are future educators prepared poorly for their jobs, but most receive job protection within one to seven years, consistently avoiding an evaluation that would allow parents to judge their effectiveness.
    Details: http://www.the-american-interest.com
    Common Core led by an “industry of mediocrity” will not insure that the US remains competitive in the global labor market.

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  34. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Mr Steele. What was it we learned from the OJ Simpson trail? Two important things. What are they? Glad you asked. Both concern our public school educators, their training, and their unions.
    1) Garbage in, garbage out.
    2) If the glove don’t fit, you must acquit.

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  35. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    The US is not and will not be competitive in the global labor market. It is easy to blame the educational system in general and teachers in particular. One principle of general systems theory is called “multiple causation”. meaning that no problem has just one cause. While many posters in here see education as the problem and technology as the solution, I see technology as one of the causes. How many of you have tried to communicate in a classroom full of kids texting, playing games on their phones or managing their facebook accounts? The top two career aspirations of young Americans are celebrity and sports star. You don’t need much for brains or education to do either, just ask the Kardashians. Is this the fault of our education system or a marketing system that panders garbage and gizmos in the name of “cool”. You can’t teach children who are more interested in 15 minutes of fame then they are in algebra. This is a widespread cultural problem that is affecting education not the other way around.

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  36. TheMikeyMcD Avatar
    TheMikeyMcD

    “Those who put their trust in government get what they deserve”

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  37. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    “the Fatherland is the parent”– Very true.. and it is just as true for conservative thought as it is for modern thought. We are all products of an educational system that passes on the dominant cultural values. Values are changing and the good ole white boys free market consumer culture of the past is changing with the population of America. Education reflects that, for better or for worse.
    One principle of general systems theory is multiple causation. There is no single cause for any problem but always multiple intertwined causes. Blaming education and teachers is short sighted. Any discussion of education has to include cultural values as well. The most often cited career goals of American children are either sports star or celebrity. These are not brainiac occupations; just ask the Kardashians. Some of the posters act as if every child should have a passion for math and computers and it’s the teachers’ fault that this isn’t true. How does one interest a child in math when they are more concerned with facebook than school? How do you get a child interested in school when their idols are half naked bimbos prancing around on a stage lip synching bad songs? How do you teach a child science when they have no interest? Our total media infused culture tells our children that the only thing that matters is being cool. The media moguls don’t care if your child is stupid or not as long as they buy the products they are hawking.

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  38. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    re: 10:02 — I apologize if there are two similar posts, I thought the first one got lost.

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  39. George Rebane Avatar

    JoeK 1204pm – Joe, I apologize. TypePad put both your 1002am and 1143am in spam. I fished them out and published them, and I’ll leave both up there since they’re slightly different. Please let me know right away if one of your comments goes missing; TypePad is fu@#g up royally and claims to be working on the problem. As always, for insurance compose your lengthier comments in your own text editor and paste them into the comment box. Thanks again for your patience.

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  40. Russ Steele Avatar

    JoeK@10:02
    I agree, the US will never be competitive on labor rates, but we are losing the battle in the global market of ideas and innovation. That said, we have a very dismal future if our education systems can not produce employees that are capable of meeting the minimum demands of US industries. The systems is currently incapable of meeting the demand of our high tech industry, we have to import them for abroad, or recruit foreign students coming our of our best universities. According to UC Admission Offices, about 30% of US students cannot pass the entry exams and require remedial classes. This is especially true in math and science. Running an industry with a 30% reject rate would soon be out of business. Why do we put up with an education system that has such a high reject rate?

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  41. Gregory Avatar

    Koyote, when former GVSD superintendent Jon Byerrum was gutting the schools in Grass Valley, removing phonics, pouring whole language and later whole math into the curriculum, it was before kids had the internet as most know it. In ’97, when the 3rd graders at Hennessey were tested and half were found to be in the bottom quartile in math and language, it’s likely none of those kids had yet gone online.
    It’s both the quality of the teachers and the quality of the curriculums, but I’d argue the pedagogy of whole language and whole math, based on what is known as “constructivism” or “discovery learning”, is particularly destructive, as the pace of actual learning is excruciatingly slow and error prone.
    Think Socratic Method, only without Socrates.
    I don’t blame the schools for turning out some kids who won’t be scientists or engineers; I blame the schools that turn out kids who, on the whole, are not proficient at their grade level, with none of them eventually able to enroll at a UC or CSU and get a degree in math or science within 4 years of their high school graduation.
    My kid did OK but it took a chunk of money and a lot of heartache to make sure his education in Nevada County would not hobble his choices of colleges or courses of study.

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  42. Gregory Avatar

    Folks in Thousand Oaks (SoCal) held a Common Core forum, link below. I’m familiar with two of the panelists, Massachusetts’ Dr. Sandra Stotsky, and the Hoover Institution’s Bill Evers, both of whom I have high regard for regarding quality educational standards.
    The panelists start at 0:10:05 with Evers.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-TDpxh0OYM

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  43. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    Gregory 1:57 — There might not have been internet and cell phones as we now know it in 1997, but there was broadcast TV, cable, and MTV, etc. These are still the primary marketing tools to children not the internet, yet. If one looks at TV programming and society, they often have a lot in common. Back in the 50’s & 60’s TV was littered with lawyer shows and now we have a glut of lawyers many of whom have to resort to ambulance chasing to make a living. Now we have reality shows featuring people that do next to nothing and are more stupid than rocks. What kind of role models do they make?
    During my lifetime there has been a continuous dumbing down of the population that has coincided with the rise of mass media. Our children are being distracted. Some people want to blame the teachers, I blame the media. Teachers aren’t in our homes all day and all night everyday of the year. The boob tube is and they don’t call it the boob tube for nothing.

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  44. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Mr. Koyote has a valid point. We have gone from “Father Knows Best”, “Ozzie and Harriet”, and “My Three Sons” to “Married with Children”, “Family Guy” and “American Dad”. Today’s father figures and others in authority are portrayed as bumbling boobs.
    This mindset gets transferred of course to teachers, policemen and others in authority over our youth. Even the store clerk gets treated disrespectfully at times.
    Once met a third grade teacher before an outing to the fire station. She introduced herself by her first name in front of my children and young school age children. I said you are Ms. Who? She replied in her first name again. I repeated saying you are Miss or Mrs. Who?” She rolled her eyes and said “Alright then, Miss Smith.” If she allows her pupils to call her by her first name, then she loses control and her rightful authority over them as their teacher. She is not their friend or companion. She is their teacher, not some bumbling boob portrayed on the Tellie. Yes, teachers are the new Rodney Dangerfield, along with Dad’s and the mail carrier.
    Full disclosure: I have never been employed by the US Post Office, nor ever been a mail carrier, but I have been disgruntled a time or two.

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  45. Gregory Avatar

    OK, time to tackle Steven Frisch’s defamations here. No, I’m not a liar and Steve is mischaracterizing my past statements.
    “Just to be clear, when one repeats misinformation, after being called on it several times or being present in threads where it has been called out several times over the past 3 years, and you don’t go back to the source information to check your accuracy, it is no mistake…it is a bold faced lie.
    So, you are a liar. You are not ‘mistaken’, it is not a ‘false recollection’, it is a persistently repeated lie. And that fact that you are so small that you don’t know how to apologize when proven false, just confirms to every reader here what a pathetic excuse for a man you are.”

    Now, what in fact was I writing three years ago?
    “Steve, you seem to have a hard time posting without resorting to expletives or crude caricatures, misspelled or not, or translated into another language, though I will agree you do have thicker skin than Pelline.
    I can’t be interested in your so-called truce while I am barred from Pelline’s blog for posting more respectfully than Pelline ever does here or at Steele’s. I believe you took a special dislike to me when I didn’t let you get away with describing yourself on The Union blogs as just a regular guy without conflicts of interest while, on Prop 23 and AB32, you were (and are) a walking, talking conflict of interest as President of the truly misleadingly named Sierra Business Council.”

    26 November 2010 at 10:59 PM
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2010/11/the-latest-volley-from-the-local-left.html
    My statement three years ago, and my repetition of it in the meantime was true and remains true. That it got conflated with a claim (the power of suggestion) the op-ed didn’t identify your SBC is unfortunate, but it remains that your (Steven Frisch) serial lying-by-omission is nearly as despicable as your serial defamation of the character of others.
    You were representing yourself as a regular guy, like another blogger commenting, and not someone in the business of profiting from regulations. You see Steve, most people don’t look beyond the name of your company and think it really might be a council of businesses in the Sierra Nevada rather than a company that, amongst other tasks, sells environmental indulgences

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  46. Gregory Avatar

    “When someone tells boldfaced lies about a matter of public record I feel compelled to correct the record, especially when motivated by pathological malicious intent.” -Frisch
    Steven Frisch, it’s time for you to retract your boldfaced lies and curb your own malicious intent. You now are faced with a citation of what I was writing three years ago that got your undies in a knot, and it had nothing to do with the recent error that crept in. In that The Union blog discussion you did portray yourself as just a regular guy (like the fellow you were engaging at the time) who tries to keep informed. No, until I outed you as an engaged professional with a vested interest in Prop 23 being defeated, neither that guy nor many others participating knew your business was related to the Proposition you were lobbying against.

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  47. Russ Steele Avatar

    Common Core Science – Earth and Space Science
    The chapter dealing with Earth and Space Sciences is found from pages 169 to 201. The coverage is cursory due to the shortness of the material. “Part ESS3.D: Global Climate Change” covers global warming from pages 196-199. The coverage mentions computer models which are used for predicting future climate and weather conditions for the planet. There is insufficient attention paid to the reality that all computer models fail to replicate what happens in the future when data for comparison is unavailable.
    In my opinion, the models should not be used for policy purposes and should not be included in K-12 education materials because our understanding of forces influencing climate is incomplete and many of the models have failed to be validated. Material in the book does not make this clear.
    The material states that carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuels is causing global warming, which is a highly controversial topic. Three references are cited at the end of the discussion. One is the 2009 report by the United States Global Change Research Project which contains frightening predictions for the future of the world due to global warming caused by burning fossil fuels. A revision of this report is scheduled for publication later this year that portrays an even grimmer future.

    Your children and grand children are being spoon fed scientific crap.

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  48. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    No profit, no jobs anyway you slice and dice it. At least Wal-Mart and Amazon have stuck around longer than the worm farm primarily because their mind boggling state of the art machine driven distribution system. Gives them an edge, a big edge.
    No profit, no jobs. Low skills, low jobs. Low demand, less workers as well. High demand, better skilled workers.
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/siemens-cut-1-700-jobs-151445364.html
    .

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  49. Gregory Avatar

    Russ, thanks for digging that out, as it pointed out good search terms for the original documentation:
    ESS3D:
    “By the end of grade 12.
    Global climate models are often used to understand the process of climate change because these changes are complex and can occur slowly over Earth’s history. Though the magnitudes of humans’ impacts are greater than they have ever been, so too are humans’ abilities to model, predict, and manage current and future impacts. Through computer simulations and other studies, important discoveries are still being made about how the ocean, the atmosphere, and the biosphere interact and are modified in response to human activities, as well as to changes in human activities. Thus science and engineering will be essential both to understanding the possible impacts of global climate change and to informing decisions about how to slow its rate and consequences—for humanity as well as for the rest of the planet.”
    pg 196
    A FRAMEWORK FOR K-12 SCIENCE EDUCATION
    Practices, Crosscutting Concepts, and Core Ideas
    Committee on a Conceptual Framework for New K-12 Science Education Standards
    Board on Science Education
    Division of Behavioral and Social Sciences and Education
    http://nap.edu/download.php?record_id=13165

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  50. Gregory Avatar

    “Nowhere is climate change, global warming or any thing to do with the issue even mentioned in Common Core. So was Gregory lying, or was he “making a false statement [without] knowing it is false.”
    Yeah, I think he was just talking out of his sphincter without even reading common core….”
    Posted by: stevenfrisch | 22 June 2013 at 05:30 PM
    Yes, Steven Frisch, climate change is a part of Common Core, which was adopted in California without a public hearing. Not even a sham public meeting with a professional facilitator there to steer everyone to the predetermined conclusion.

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