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George Rebane

[This is the transcript of my regular KVMR commentary broadcast on 21 June 2013.]

These commentaries have often visited the unfolding tragedy of what our public education has inflicted on our country and its workforce.  Among the developed nations we rank way down there in every measured category of educational achievement.  But most of us go through the daily round without giving it much thought, or are simply comfortable with the false conclusion that our kids are being properly prepared for the job market, and generally that things are going along swimmingly.  Well they aren’t.

So now the federal government has decided to get into the act of educating our children.  This should not be a surprise since the feds are getting into every act possible that affects our lives.  We have witnessed how Dodd-Frank has misfired in the financial markets, and how Obamacare is screwing up America’s healthcare to a fare thee well.  But folks, this is serious and deserves your full attention whether you’re a parent or not.  Apparently feds haven’t done enough to K-12 education through their various ‘we’re here to help’ programs and their support of the teachers’ unions.  Now they plan to establish a unified curriculum across the land called Common Core.


Historically public education has been business left to the several states.  The principle has always been that education should be as local as possible where parents can meet with school districts and teachers, and influence what is being taught to their offspring.  But this is not according to the grand plan taking us to a new world order.  You see, your kids are really not yours.  Progressive professor Melissa Harris-Perry of Tulane University says it real plain, so that we all can understand, that things have to change radically.  Her words –

“So part of it is that we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents, or kids belong to their families, and recognize that kids belong to whole communities.  Once it’s everybody’s responsibility, and not just the household’s, then we start making better (education) investments.”

And the better investments dangled before the states consist of gobs of stimulus monies for education programs, granted on the condition that the states adopt the federal Common Core curricula for their schools.  I needn’t remind you of how things work out whenever individual responsibility is made into a collective responsibility, the history books are full of the resulting national scale tragedies.

But not to worry, our children will not be exposed to any of that inconvenient history.  In fact in Common Core’s history dead white men will not be heard from very much, and American foundational history will be a thing of the past.  Instead our little darlings will be taught environmentalism, globalism, feminism, social, racial issues, …, you get the idea.  But that is just the start.

The revision of the curriculum hits full stride in the maths that are the foundation of the sciences.  For example, while other countries competing in the global markets start teaching math fundamentals earlier, our new Common Core moves the teaching of algebra up from the eighth grade to the ninth grade.  This means that beginning calculus, fundamental to all the higher maths, will no longer be taught in our high schools.

The argument for Common Core is that it will standardize what our kids learn and put them into a better competitive position in the global workforce.  But it promises to do exactly the opposite of that.  The only thing we can be sure of is its impact on our youth, in that it will diminish the little that is left of what we used to call American culture.  But then, is that not an overarching objective as we shed the last vestiges of American exceptionalism?

I urge all concerned listeners to examine for themselves what Common Core promises to deliver as it makes over America’s educational system. Will adopting a federally mandated national curriculum really provide the education required for our children to earn a decent living and again make a difference that has been the hallmark of America?  Reflecting on this I am reminded of someone who said, “Give me just one generation of youth, and I'll transform the whole world."

My name is Rebane, and I also expand on this and related themes on NCTV and on georgerebane.com where the transcript of this commentary is posted with relevant links, and where such issues are debated extensively.  However my views are not necessarily shared by KVMR.  Thank you for listening.

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Some Common Core links:
Common Core State Standards Initiative
‘There’s No Opting Out of Common Core’
‘Common Core Needs More Debate’

[22jun13 update]  I received the following email from CABPRO's ED Chuck Shea announcing a Common Core related event for the coming week; content follows –

Come and hear Orlean Koehle, author of: “Common Core — A Trojan Horse for
Education Reform”

A book about the federal
takeover of our children’s education

Orlean’s Website:    www.cuacc.org 
 
Find out the similarities:
“Parens Patria” is the Latin term for Hitler’s philosophy; literally translated
“the Fatherland is the parent"

What is "Common Core"?

  • It
    is – new & untested curriculum.
  • It
    is – the Federal takeover of our entire education system.
  • It
    is – data mining over 400 personal facts permanently retained about our
    children from preschool through college and into the workplace, includes
    fingerprints, health records, iris scans, DNA, blood type, religion,
    family income, disciplinary problems and much, much more.
  • It
    is – no parental control or opt-­-out option.
  • It
    is – no local or state control of curriculum.
  • It
    is – a one size fits all instruction and mandatory teacher compliance.
  • It
    is – intruding on the creativity and competitive nature of charter
    schools.
  • It
    is – expensive! Common Core will cost taxpayers $1.6 billion in CA alone.

When:  Wednesday June
26, 2013 • 5:30 pm

Where:  Penny’s Diner
                 
2072 Nevada City Highway • Grass Valley

Admission: 
   CABPRO Members $5  • General Admission $10
Refreshments:
 Cheese and Fruit

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145 responses to “Common Core is Coming (updated 22jun13)”

  1. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    The further down the privatization road of our public education and the stagnation of workers wages will continue to put the US behind the eight ball. Corporate profits, mandated private standardized testing, cutting budgets, loading up teachers with 30 to 40 students in elementary/ intermediate school, along with two working parents or single parents who have to work longer hours for less spending power don’t have the time or energy to take active high quality roles in their children’s education. Thanks Ronald Reagan and Bill Bennett for starting down this road of profitization of our commons.

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  2. Russ Steele Avatar

    Here are some of the reading material from the Common Core Science Books reading list:
    Eye of the Storm. Kate Messner. Walker Books for Young Readers.
    In the not-too-distant future, huge tornadoes and monster storms have become a part of everyday life. [Warmer mantra that CO2 increases storms, yet no scientific evidence to support claims.]
    Waiting for Ice. Sandra Markle. Charlesbridge.
    Based on the true story of an orphaned cub. Far north in the Arctic Ocean on Wrangel Island, an orphaned polar ear cub struggles to find food. Without a mother to feed her, this young female must fend for herself. Due to rising global temperatures, food is hard to find because the pack ice that the bears rely on for hunting is late in coming. [Rising temperatures kill the polar bears? Not true, the polar bear population has been expanding, not declining. ]
    A Warmer World. Caroline Arnold. Charlesbridge.
    With clear explanations and bright, handsome collage artwork, this picture book packs in a lot about the effects of global warming on particular animals and the connections between them. Even small changes in temperature can produce big changes in animals’ chances for survival, and up to one million species could be threatened with extinction as the planet heats up. As global temperatures rise, the warmer water is destroying coral reefs and many coral species are becoming extinct, while creatures in higher zones have nowhere to go to find cooler places. Many yellow bellied marmots, for example, have starved because they hibernate less in a warmer climate and cannot find the plants they normally eat. At the same time, some creatures do benefit because they can move to habitats that were previously too cold. The visual details bring the concepts close, from images of a butterfly in flight or the final view of an arctic fox with a factory belching black smoke in the background. A glossary and suggested resources conclude. –Booklist [ No warming for at least 15 years, with signs of cooling since 2003.]
    Children reading these books students are being indoctrinated with lies and unproven science. Is this what you want for your children and grand children?

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  3. Gregory Avatar

    Yes, in Common Core, the science is politicized and the math is watered down. The actual math standards are weaker than the outgoing California Content Standards and on first glance aren’t too bad, but the standards in the old California Math Frameworks in the early ’90’s weren’t all bad either, it’s just that they mandated weak methods for teaching and the texts written to them were of poor quality.
    Already the murmurs of how great the CCSS are sound just like the whole math and whole language pitches of the ’90’s. Forward into the past.
    Ben, this isn’t just because I want to disagree:
    1) Privatization? No one would be trying it if public schools were a success story but in any case, hardly any of the schools are privately run and most of those are doomed because they’re bound to the many of the same rules. The St.Sensibles are private, and provide a quality education for a fraction of the costs of public instruction.
    2) School privatization has nothing to do with the state of the economy.
    3) In California, the state tried to write its own tests and failed miserably. Our local St.Sensible was using the SAT9 that was instituted years before the state adopted it circa ’98, and did so because it provided value to them and welcomed an independent evaluation of where the kids were at the beginning of the year, unlike the public schools who gave it at the end of the year in an attempt to make the scores look better.
    4)Cutting budgets? Really? NYC spends about three times as much per student as they do in Utah, and Utah has better educational outcomes. The typical St.Sensible spends about what they do in Utah. It isn’t the budget, it’s how it’s wasted.
    5) Loading up teachers with 30 to 40 students in elementary/ intermediate school isn’t ideal but small class sizes really doesn’t correlate with educational achievement as much as teacher mastery of the subject matter does, and large class sizes of kids at the same level isn’t that much of a problem. Trying to teach a large 6th grade English class when the actual range of abilities ranges from readers at the 3rd grade to 7th grade is a disaster, and that’s all too common.
    6) My dad worked middle school public education for 40 years, and parents weren’t engaged in the ’60’s, either.
    It was always the case that a minority of parents gave a damn, and it was all too rare that they were the parents of the kids that needed help.
    7) “Thanks Ronald Reagan and Bill Bennett for starting down this road of profitization of our commons.”
    They aren’t the ones that are killing education. Here’s a fairly recent column from Walter Williams with some actual California Basic Education Skills Test questions that does a good job of assessing where the problems lay:
    http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2013/03/13/educational-rot-n1530968/page/full

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  4. George Rebane Avatar

    RussS and Gregory – Bravo!

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  5. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    My, 14 months have passed since a 13 year old boy was told by school officials that he can’t fly an American flag on his bicycle because it “might offend someone.”
    Wonder if banning offensive things like an American flag will be taught in public schools once Common Core lays down the law. Trying to think of some lesbian couples that had a remarkable impact on the founding of our country, but I am having a senior moment. Must be Old Timers disease coupled with a white out.. Pretty sure it will come to me along with the historic impact of Pygmy Eskimos in the Civil War and the Industrial Revolution. Timmy Leary must be a dead white guy by now so we have to strike him from the history books no doubt. Is Jerry Rubin still around? I still have a copy of “Do It”. No matter.
    I once posted on the former The Union site that my child went down to the Natural Environment Museum (or whatever they call themselves) on a high school charter school field trip to Frisco. My child came back with the poop scared out of her. Poor thing. She was told by the museum “leader” that Global Warming will knock the earth off its axis and hurl us all into outer space where we will either fry like a Frito or freeze our tushes off and, of course, we are all gonna die. Very upsetting to her and her parent, aka, yours truly.
    I wonder if Global Warming will be a important topic of Uncommon Core. Ya think? Since no dear reader believed the story about being hurled to infinity and beyond, as well as other educational events that happened in the Sanctuary City By The Bay, I dropped the topic.
    http://theveteranssite.greatergood.com/clickToGive/vet/article/Patriotic-Flag-Boy-gets-Parade-Apology295?origin=VET_FACE_TROOPS_BLOG_FlagBoy_062013_CT

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  6. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Yeah….time to whip up the Common Core fears….. after all Orlean Koehle will be at the CABPRO meeting next week…. if anything this site can act as a convenient echo chamber of the right wing noise machine……
    and fear is the common theme:
    …..fear of loss of culture
    …..fear of losing your guns
    …..fear of loss of language
    …..fear of loss of sovereignty
    ….fear of crime
    …..fear of global control
    ……fear of Chinese hegemony
    ….fear of homosexuality
    ……fear of losing your position as the chosen ones
    Must be tough living with all that fear…..think I’ll ride my bike today!

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  7. Gregory Avatar

    It ain’t fear, Frisch, it’s anger. How typical of you to ignore the topic and go right to an amateurish diagnosing of fear and paranoia of the folks presenting the information.
    I spent a decade trying to get a decent education for my kid out of local schools, and it’s anger over the dysfunctional schools, and wanting them better rather than worse, that drives me on this topic. What’s your motivation, besides scoring cheap points?
    Phil Daro was a major player in California’s whole math implosion of the 90’s, now he’s out of the shadows as one of the gnomes who has been working on Common Core math in the shadows, and our currently excellent state content standards, in place as a reaction to the Whole Math debacle, are being swept away with CCSS.
    This is a mess, and unlike previous moves towards faddish educational trends, this one is a nationwide move towards a new curriculum which ain’t even finished, to be measured by assessments that have yet to be created. It’s one thing to take California’s education towards the drain, it’s yet another to take down the entire country at once.

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  8. Russ Steele Avatar

    All Common Core Testing is done on line. No more paper tests. HERE is an assessment of the testing process and the unintended consequences of computer scoring and health related issues. The testing assumes that all 4th grade students are computer literate:
    The first 4th grade ELA passage is 870L, which is within the range for 4th grade; I typed the passage and saved as a txt file to upload to the Lexile analyzer, which gave me this score. It is a fictional narrative that runs 551 words long and is about a coyote trying to get honey from a bee hive in a tree. There are five comprehension questions, four of which are multiple choice. For the fifth, the student must find supporting details and type those sentences into a box.
    The second passage is an expository piece about the Grand Canyon. The CCSS asks students to do close readings of text and doesn’t delve into author purposes for writing. Yet, the test asks the student, “Which best describes why the author uses the sentence above?” Another question asks, “Why does the author use questions throughout the passage?” In other words, the test is asking students to speculate on author-purpose.
    There are seven questions for this passage: 4 are multiple choice, two are type-in-the-answer, and one is matching for a vocabulary item.
    Many of the questions asked students to choose a sentence to complete a writing assignment, for example, either an introductory or concluding sentence. These writing questions were all multiple choice.
    Questions 19-22, 23-24 are based on listening to passages, rather than reading it.
    My reaction to the test:
    It was boring. The test passages were uninspiring and boring. Sadly, that is probably normal for this type of test.
    Several test questions required students to type answers into a box. Since they should have learned keyboarding in third grade, this is appropriate. However, I tried to test what would happen if I had the correct answer, but misspelled words. This practice test, though, didn’t score my results. On a matching question, I deliberately matched several definitions to words and it allowed me to do that, instead of giving me an error message.
    There were several error messages: I couldn’t go to the next page without answering all the questions on a page. This means that students won’t be able to follow a typical test taking strategy of answering the easy questions first, then coming back to tackle the harder ones. Partly this is because the final test will be computer adaptive, as discussed above. It means students must try to answer each question in order. You are allowed, however, to go back to previous questions and at the end, you may review your answers before submitting.
    Conclusions:
    • This new type of testing, especially the computer adaptive testing, will require a different test-taking strategy than before. Students can’t go forward until they complete the question in front of them.
    • The testing is mostly multiple choice, which means from this standpoint there is little difference from a paper-and-pencil test.
    • The test equipment will also need to include a headset so each student will be able to hear the speaking parts carefully. This need hasn’t been addressed in any of the technical requirements I have seen. But without this extra equipment, ambient room noise or sounds of other students could skew the results. I took the test in the midst of a thunderstorm and that affected my ability to hear the test. So, if 100 students are testing, you’ll need the 100 computer or tablet stations AND 100 headsets. (Will headsets have to be sprayed and cleaned to prevent the spread of head lice? Yet another headache to this testing process!)
    • It is unclear what effect mistyping or misspelling will have on test scores
    • The navigation seems simple enough.
    • Students must be familiar with the concept of error messages from a computer and be able to read the error message and follow instructions to correct the error
    .
    One of Nevada County Charter Schools was a beta test site of the Common Core Testing. As a result, they have decided to go paperless and use Googles on line tools for all class room activities as possible. Their education will be in online and in the cloud. Each student and teacher will have an account and they will exchange information via the network. This required upgrading of their broadband network. Upload speeds became as important as down load speeds. Not the current mode of most broadband networks, which emphasize down load speed over up load speeds. There are lots of unknown in the implementation of the Common Core.

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  9. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Dear…dear Greg….if you want to seriously talk about education reform then more power to you..have a conversation about education reform….I suspect we would find a lot of common ground…but the comments below, sprinkled into George’s commentary, are not about educations reform, they are about advancing and ideology….and show your claim that this is not about sowing fear false.
    “This should not be a surprise since the feds are getting into every act possible that affects our lives. We have witnessed how Dodd-Frank has misfired in the financial markets, and how Obamacare is screwing up America’s healthcare to a fare thee well.”
    “……and their support of the teachers’ unions.”
    “I needn’t remind you of how things work out whenever individual responsibility is made into a collective responsibility, the history books are full of the resulting national scale tragedies.”
    “Instead our little darlings will be taught environmentalism, globalism, feminism, social, racial issues, …, you get the idea.”
    “….in that it will diminish the little that is left of what we used to call American culture.”
    “But then, is that not an overarching objective as we shed the last vestiges of American exceptionalism?”
    “Reflecting on this I am reminded of someone who said, “Give me just one generation of youth, and I’ll transform the whole world.” [by the way, this quote is Vladimir Lenin]
    And why bring up the Melissa Harris-Perry, she is nothing but another commentator, she has nothing to do with developing or implementing common core.
    Fear, fear, fear….

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  10. Gregory Avatar

    Dear, dear, indeed.
    Anger, anger, anger… I realize that isn’t as easy to treat as a weakness.
    By the way, a question that you dodged in a previous threat… did you really spend less than 2 hours a week lobbying against Prop 23?

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  11. Barry Pruett Avatar

    Steve: Just a query. Isn’t common core about “about advancing and ideology” in our youth? Am I missing something?

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  12. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Now, Greg, why would you want to change the subject? How about you respond to the comment above and we leave Prop 23 for a little addendum?
    “…previous threat…” Freudian slip, indeed!
    The addendum: to answer the question re: Prop 23, on some weeks I did spend more than 2 hours a week, but then again I work about 60 hours a week, and its a long year! If you are going for a “substantial part” test claim I have an idea, why don’t you sue my ass and we can see who wins? I would eat your lunch, then sue your sorry curmudgeon, angry ass for a SLAPP suit violation. Might be fun. I think other people are kind of tired of going back to this over and over again.

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  13. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Posted by: Barry Pruett | 22 June 2013 at 08:41 AM
    First, sorry for the typo.
    My point was not that George should not critique common core for its content…I would consider that fair game.
    If anyone wants to actually look at Common Core, it is here: http://www.corestandards.org
    My point was that the inflammatory framing in George’s commentary sets up the discussion of Common Core as an ideological conflict rather than a rational debate about what should be included in curriculum, which I believe should be vigorously discussed.
    To have a rational discussion, as you point out on another thread, we have to move beyond where we agree to disagree; the point that we may disagree about Dodd-Frank, Obamacare, teachers unions, communitarianism, differences over race and gender, the supremacy of American kulture, obscure references to communism, and whether or not we like Melissa Harris-Perry are irrelevant.

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  14. Barry Pruett Avatar

    Isn’t the argument that common core is “about advancing an ideology” an element of the discussion? The article is also full of examples of the content of the proposed curriculum which in the writer’s opinion is geared towards “advancing an ideology” instead of properly educating our children for the 21st century.

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  15. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Posted by: Barry Pruett | 22 June 2013 at 09:14 AM
    Of course the content of the proposed curriculum is a valid discussion….my point is that you don’t get there by calling people who disagree with you communists…you are never going to get to the conversation…..
    I suggest George go to the Common Core standards, read through them, and show specifically where they are ‘advancing an ideology’.
    Here is an example of the content:
    “CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RH.11-12.8 Evaluate an author’s premises, claims, and evidence by corroborating or challenging them with other information.”
    I would ask readers to go through the link I provided above and find the specific examples of where Common Core is talking about “environmentalism, globalism, feminism, social, racial issues,” and positing a specific point of view on these issues. That could be open for debate.
    But NO WHERE in George’s original comment does he point to a specific Common Core standard or cite a specific example of a problem. In short, he is just repeating talking points rather than adding anything to a rational discussion.

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  16. Barry Pruett Avatar

    Fair enough.

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  17. George Rebane Avatar

    re stevenfrisch 928am – For those who have difficulty in understanding the objective of a four-minute radio commentary, especially on a topic as complex and controversial as Common Core, here’s a heads up – its scope does not include a detailed discussion of the pros and cons of individual courses in its vast curriculum. The objective of the commentary is to motivate debate, and the function of RR is to give it a wide forum.
    “But NO WHERE in George’s original comment does he point to a specific Common Core standard or cite a specific example of a problem.”
    “The revision of the curriculum hits full stride in the maths that are the foundation of the sciences. For example, while other countries competing in the global markets start teaching math fundamentals earlier, our new Common Core moves the teaching of algebra up from the eighth grade to the ninth grade. This means that beginning calculus, fundamental to all the higher maths, will no longer be taught in our high schools.”

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  18. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Here is an example of the 11th and 12th Grade Literature and Arts standards:
    “CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.11-12.7 Analyze multiple interpretations of a story, drama, or poem (e.g., recorded or live production of a play or recorded novel or poetry), evaluating how each version interprets the source text. (Include at least one play by Shakespeare and one play by an American dramatist.)”
    One would think that 12th grade would be where the full force of the communitarian state would be ensuring that its ideology is being rigorously enforced, yet we see, the standard is really quite benign and even-handed, never telling the teacher what additional story, drama, or poem they should use, other than using ‘at least one play by Shakespeare and one play by an American dramatist”.
    So where is the threat to American culture in this?
    Read all the standards…point to the propagandizing in them….I am waiting 😉

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  19. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Posted by: George Rebane | 22 June 2013 at 10:16 AM
    Actually George it sets a MINIMUM standard of teaching Algebra in the 9th grade. If a local school district wants to teach it in the 8th (or 6th) grade if students are ready they can. It does not require that they DO NOT teach it until the 9th grade.

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  20. George Rebane Avatar

    stevenfrisch 1022am – Actually its “minimum standards” are one of the main points of contention about Common Core. Today most public school curricula already teach algebra before the 9th grade, thereby allowing the inclusion of calculus, or at least pre-calculus, to be offered in high school. The last thing the country needs is lowered minimum standards in STEM subjects. We already have a dearth of qualified math teachers in public schools, Common Core does nothing to motivate raising such teacher standards, and instead gives them another reason to duck them. What school district or school will now bend over backwards to teach algebra in K-8 given Common Core’s easy out?

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  21. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Posted by: George Rebane | 22 June 2013 at 10:16 AM
    Really George? Motivate debate about what? No where in the commentary did you accurately cite a single specific example of the standards as a problem. Your citation of the 8th/9th grade issue was a misrepresentation of what the standard itself would do. You did provide plenty of fodder to debate a host of other issues, cited above, that are extraneous to the Common Core issue.
    But I am glad you finally got down to brass tacks and promoted the CABPRO event, since that was the real intent of the commentary and this post.

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  22. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Posted by: George Rebane | 22 June 2013 at 10:33 AM
    Great George, then you actually have a specific recommendation.
    Although most states may teach Algebra before the 9th grade, there is no federal standard encouraging them to do so, so you kind of avoided the point of my comment.
    If you are suggesting that we should set a national minimum standard that we teach Algebra at the 8th grade level or below, I am right there with you. Your critique of Common Core then would be that it sets the standards too low, not that Common Core is Leninism.

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  23. George Rebane Avatar

    stevenfrisch 1041am – Just read the goddam post and give us your take on Common Core or something that is related to the topic beyond ragging on me. I’m not suggesting anything that I haven’t mentioned in the post or the years of this blog, which includes that Common Core is yet another centrally planned effort by an overwhelmingly incompetent federal government that is promoting collectivism wherever it can. And yes, it does set low standards IMHO. But the point is that whatever the standards, they should not be dictated by the feds or me, they should be developed and applied locally.

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  24. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    I’m sorry George, I should have read the unsourced site from Ms. Orlean Koehle first, I should have said Nazism.
    It’s really hard to get the charges of anti-American philosophies straight when you so seamlessly switch between communism, socialism, communitarianism, authoritarianism, nazism, nihilism, non-sectarianism, Islamism, and absurdism.
    Here is a little taste of Ms. Koehle’s logic:
    “Here are some of the steps that were taken under Nazism as education and schools were transformed into national centers for indoctrination. I list them as a warning of where we could be headed? Some of them sound very familiar to Common Core all ready:
    A law was passed that helped promote the formation of a teachers’ union that became so powerful, no one could teach without belonging to it. The union was the National Socialist Teachers League (NSTL) and by the 1940s, 97% of all teachers belonged to it.
    Teachers were Weeded out who Could not Go Along with the New System. Those who were openly hostile to Nazism faced arrest and concentration camps. Teachers who wanted to keep their jobs were forced into silent acquiescence. Older teachers were replaced with younger ones who were more easily indoctrinated.
    Teachers who were Enthusiastic Supporters of Nazism Got Promoted. “Thus over time the NAZIS steadily increase their hold on German schools and by the 1940s had an increasingly compliant cadre of teachers.”
    The Curriculum was Rewritten to Provide a NAZI-Approved Curriculum. Teachers had much less leeway in the design of their lessons. The NAZI Party, in effect, instructed teachers as to what they could and could not teach.
    Anti-Intellectual Training: The focus of education became centered on physical development, party indoctrination, moral or character training [with a whole new concept of “morality” and “character,” nothing to do with religious faith]. It was an “education of the will,” rather than “a training of the mind.” A quote from a book written by two scholars about Hitler’s life describes this very well: “We cannot fight our way out of this deep crisis through intellectualism…The school for character …which is a practical test of true comradeship in work and living is irreplaceable.”
    The NSTL was Established for NAZI Ideological Training: Leaders of it were to ensure that teachers conformed to National Socialist doctrine.
    Leaders and Master Teachers in the NSTL Visited the Schools and Kept Data Files on Teachers: One of their main functions was to determine the political reliability of teachers and their loyalty to the NAZI Party in order to ensure proper placements and promotions.
    The NSTL Leaders Operated Through Both Propaganda and Intimidation: It was responsible for the ideological indoctrination of its members.
    Teachers were Encouraged to Join the NAZI Party Itself: Some did so out of party sympathies; others did so as a smart career choice. By 1936, 32 per cent of all teachers were NAZI Party members. This was reportedly twice as high as in most other professions.
    Racism and Data Collection by Teachers: Teachers were asked to play an active role in the NAZI racial program and applied the “principles” of racial science. They measured students’ physical characteristics, including skull size and nose length, and recorded the color of hair and eyes to determine whether they belonged to the true “Aryan race.” This data was gathered and given to German officials. Jewish and Mischling (mixed Jewish-Aryan children) as well as Romani (Gypsy) students were often humiliated in the process. ”
    Sounds just like what is happening in America today!

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  25. Gregory Avatar

    “.my point is that you don’t get there by calling people who disagree with you communists.”
    -Frisch
    He didn’t.
    Regarding your lobbying activities regarding Prop 23, silly Steve, of course I wouldn’t sue. However, I was naive enough to think your hiding your SBC ties when writing about Prop 23 in The Union was just to make it appear you were a regular joe to the readership, not for a plausible deniability had anyone called you on it which makes more sense.
    Regarding your quoting of pieces of Common Core ‘standards’, that’s how all standards get sold. As far as content goes, they aren’t horrible; maybe better than Mississippi’s, substantially worse than Mass. and CA current standards. Even the wretched California standards in the early ’90’s had support in the standards for decent math instruction, but in actual practice, math achievement dropped dramatically, even in places like the tony parts of Palo Alto. And Common Core is being pushed with the same language as those standards were:
    “There will be fewer standards, and you will dwell at earlier grades on issues such as fractions and proportions, and much longer times so you have a fuller understanding. Students will be asked to explain their knowledge in ways that they couldn’t in multiple ways in word problems and in modeling and in timelines, and in feedback to their teachers and their peers to show they really understand the concepts. So by the time they get to higher math, there won’t be the missing elements we find now in California schools.”
    http://www.californiareport.org/archive/R201208171630/a
    More talking. Less math. And there are NO missing elements in the current content standards or the approved texts following those standards.

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  26. Gregory Avatar

    “I’m sorry George, I should have read the unsourced site from Ms. Orlean Koehle first, I should have said Nazism.”
    Let’s thank Frisch for his Godwin’s Law forfeit.

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  27. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    You know Greg, you must be a certifiable Grade A moron. Here is the link to the original editorial in The Union as it appeared and was posted on another thread:
    http://www.theunion.com/news/2285939-113/opinion-editorials-opinionivg
    As anyone can see I identified myself clearly, thus you are a total and complete frigging liar. Any comments that flowed from my original editorial were derivative, any intelligent reader could see exactly who I was.
    Second, I did not bring up Nazism, George posted to a link that had those very words posted in quotation marks above in it. It would be George who is forfeiting due to Goodwin’s Law, not me; but I don’t hold to Goodwin’s Law anyway, when I see a Nazi freak I call them one, unabashedly. Goodwin’s Law is Goodknight’s crutch, not mine.
    Finally, I see neither of you can actually go to the source document and back up anything George said, which tells about all I need to know about what the real agenda is here, just more dissembling nonsense about the demise of American kulture…fear mongering….and propaganda.

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  28. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Gregory:
    “.my point is that you don’t get there by calling people who disagree with you communists.”
    -Frisch
    He didn’t.
    –Gregory
    Here is what George said: “Reflecting on this I am reminded of someone who said, “Give me just one generation of youth, and I’ll transform the whole world.” [Vladimir Lenin]
    You may not be able to see the dangle through the fig leaf, but intelligent readers know exactly what George was saying.

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  29. Gregory Avatar

    Not a “liar” Frisch, but I do owe you an apology on that specific claim, as, assuming the print edition would bear it out, you did in the editorial. My memory is of the comment stream (apparently gone) where you just claimed you were a regular guy paying attention to politics, and I chimed in to inform the others participating that you were the president of SBC and that your revenue was in part from such regulations and I extended that to the actual column.
    That said, while you were identified as the head of the SBC, nothing in your text disclosed you either derived revenue from carbon sanctions, or expected to.

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  30. George Rebane Avatar

    Even communists get stuff right now and then. I cited Lenin because he has been demonstrated correct in the application of central planning to education. And I have made plain my vehement disagreement with the preponderent ideology that has flowed into our public school classrooms during the last forty years. I believe that Common Core will now put that flow rate on steroids, and deprive caring parents from the last vestige of feedback to a machine that has by now developed a well-fashioned elitist tin ear.
    BTW, I also believe that Mao, the greatest killer in history, had it right when he declared that ‘All power grows out of the barrel of a gun.’ Most certainly today’s progressives have undersigned that belief.

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  31. Gregory Avatar

    There’s a big difference between calling someone a communist and quoting Lenin.
    Regarding grabbing the kid’s attention, does everyone remember this gem?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDXQsnkuBCM
    Or this one?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxis7Y1ikIQ
    Yes, AGW is a part of Common Core.

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  32. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 348pm – Re SteveF’s seeking to hide his SBC relationship during AB32/Prop23 discussions, I do remember the KVMR broadcast debate he and I had on topic years ago. Through an understanding between PaulE and SteveF that I apparently misunderstood, my on air revelation that Steve headed SBC which stood benefit from the implementation of AB32 brought forth much gnashing of teeth and opprobrium toward me from both Paul and Steve. Steve’s provenance was to remain unknown to the listener, he was supposed to come across as just the well-informed “regular guy” off the street.
    Having already said it in these pages, I want to reiterate here for the record that everything SteveF then claimed about the benefits of AB32 and its beneficial implementation by CARB has turned out false (or was a lie, if he so intended).

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  33. Gregory Avatar

    “As anyone can see I identified myself clearly, thus you are a total and complete frigging liar.”
    There is a common idiocy in our society which has forgotten that a lie requires making a false statement knowing it is false. I erred, nothing more, in conflating two different issues into a false recollection.
    I am not a liar but I think it is reasonable for me to say Frisch, the six figure CEO of the wretchedly misnamed Sierra Business Council, a non-profit*, is a complete frigging ass.
    *
    [ the wiki describes 501c3 status as Religious, Educational, Charitable, Scientific, Literary, Testing for Public Safety, to Foster National or International Amateur Sports Competition, or Prevention of Cruelty to Children or Animals Organizations…]

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  34. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    My how memory fails people.
    I was introduced in the radio debate as the President of the Sierra Business Council. Our agreement in advance, which George was well aware of, was that we would stick to a fact based debate over the issues, and agreed not to impugn the motives of the other participants. George broke those rules in his opening statement, which he attests to here on his very own blog:
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2010/09/ab32prop23-is-very-relevant-to-nevada-county.html#more
    See Pauls words…
    The fact remains that almost all of what George said in his opening statement on that show was patently false: SBC does not get anywhere near the majority of its funding from government [and institutional] sources, even at the time we received less than 30% of our funding from government sources, and a small percentage from private foundations; I am not, nor have I ever been a paid lobbyist; and I do what I do because I believe it is right.
    Russ Steele went on in the comment’s on the blog to state “Sierra Business Council collected over $829,318 from government grants in 2008 which WAS PUBLIC MONEY.” That is also false. Russ does not know how to read a 990 form….that is money that is applied our charitable purpose not government money.
    I use the resources at hand to do what I believe is right and within our mission as an NGO, and am completely open and honest about that. If my organization can derive revenue from implementing projects that help the region adapt to or mitigate the impacts of climate change, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
    What I did not do on the program was ask to see George’s investment portfolio; I am sure that if I had had access to it I could have found a financial advantage he would gain from the passage of Prop 23.
    The fact are George that you acted unethically in your opening comments, and you knew it, and here when you said that I was seeking “to hide his SBC relationship”…..your memory is slipping.

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  35. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    My how memory fails people.
    I was introduced in the radio debate as the President of the Sierra Business Council. Our agreement in advance, which George was well aware of, was that we would stick to a fact based debate over the issues, and agreed not to impugn the motives of the other participants. George broke those rules in his opening statement, which he attests to here on his very own blog:
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2010/09/ab32prop23-is-very-relevant-to-nevada-county.html#more
    See Pauls words…
    The fact remains that almost all of what George said in his opening statement on that show was patently false: SBC does not get anywhere near the majority of its funding from government [and institutional] sources, even at the time we received less than 30% of our funding from government sources, and a small percentage from private foundations; I am not, nor have I ever been a paid lobbyist; and I do what I do because I believe it is right.
    Russ Steele went on in the comment’s on the blog to state “Sierra Business Council collected over $829,318 from government grants in 2008 which WAS PUBLIC MONEY.” That is also false. Russ does not know how to read a 990 form….that is money that is applied our charitable purpose not government money.
    I use the resources at hand to do what I believe is right and within our mission as an NGO, and am completely open and honest about that. If my organization can derive revenue from implementing projects that help the region adapt to or mitigate the impacts of climate change, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
    What I did not do on the program was ask to see George’s investment portfolio; I am sure that if I had had access to it I could have found a financial advantage he would gain from the passage of Prop 23.
    The fact are George that you acted unethically in your opening comments, and you knew it, and here when you said that I was seeking “to hide his SBC relationship”…..your memory is slipping.

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  36. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Ok George….why are my posts disappearing now?

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  37. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    My how memory fails people.
    I was introduced in the radio debate as the President of the Sierra Business Council. Our agreement in advance, which George was well aware of, was that we would stick to a fact based debate over the issues, and agreed not to impugn the motives of the other participants. George broke those rules in his opening statement, which he attests to here on his very own blog:
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2010/09/ab32prop23-is-very-relevant-to-nevada-county.html#more
    See Pauls words…
    The fact remains that almost all of what George said in his opening statement on that show was patently false: SBC does not get anywhere near the majority of its funding from government [and institutional] sources, even at the time we received less than 30% of our funding from government sources, and a small percentage from private foundations; I am not, nor have I ever been a paid lobbyist; and I do what I do because I believe it is right.
    Russ Steele went on in the comment’s on the blog to state “Sierra Business Council collected over $829,318 from government grants in 2008 which WAS PUBLIC MONEY.” That is also false. Russ does not know how to read a 990 form….that is money that is applied our charitable purpose not government money.
    I use the resources at hand to do what I believe is right and within our mission as an NGO, and am completely open and honest about that. If my organization can derive revenue from implementing projects that help the region adapt to or mitigate the impacts of climate change, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
    What I did not do on the program was ask to see George’s investment portfolio; I am sure that if I had had access to it I could have found a financial advantage he would gain from the passage of Prop 23.
    The fact are George that you acted unethically in your opening comments, and you knew it, and here when you said that I was seeking “to hide his SBC relationship”…..your memory is slipping.

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  38. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Posted by: Gregory | 22 June 2013 at 04:33 PM
    See this is just classic…..if the IRS questions the charitable purpose of the Tea Party it is persecution…but my status is fair game to these clown….what a bunch of friggin’ hypocrites.
    I think its pretty clear who the ass is here Greg, I may be unwise to give you a platform for your vitriol and personal grudges…but you are the ass.

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  39. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    And I notice that Greg has not taken back the Goodwin’s Law statement. Greg do you acknowledge that it was George who broke your esteemed Goodwin’s Law? Will you apologize for that as well.

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  40. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Posted by: Gregory | 22 June 2013 at 03:57 PM
    “Yes, AGW is a part of Common Core.”–Gregory

    Here are the Common Core standards for English Language Arts
    & Literacy in History/Social Studies, Science, and technical Subjects:
    http://www.corestandards.org/assets/CCSSI_ELA%20Standards.pdf
    Nowhere is climate change, global warming or any thing to do with the issue even mentioned in Common Core. So was Gregory lying, or was he “making a false statement [without] knowing it is false.”
    Yeah, I think he was just talking out of his sphincter without even reading common core….

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  41. George Rebane Avatar

    re SteveF’s 546pm – Here’s what I wrote on that link, and I believe it to be correct. But I would really like to hear proof of Steve being introduced on that program as SBC’s president.
    On that program I pointed out that his non-profit NGO receives the overwhelming portion of its funding through government and institutional grant monies. Moreover, that the full implementation of AB32 would be of direct financial benefit to SBC, and to Mr Frisch as its salaried director. In short, Mr Frisch was there promoting not only what he presumably believed, but was also there, in every sense of the word, as a professional lobbyist for that legislation.
    This allowed the listener to differentiate him from me as a retired private citizen with nothing more to gain from the passage of Prop23, than the general wellbeing of California’s economy. Mr Frisch, of course, argued the diametrically opposite position which gave purpose, if not meaning, to the discussion. Through the lens of some special ethic, I have been taken to task by the left, including Mr Frisch, for daring to make that revelation on the air. Their point being that Mr Frisch should have been allowed to pass off to the listener as just another private citizen with deeply held opposing views and gains similar to mine.

    TypePad put some your comments into the spam folder, I took them out and published them.

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  42. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Well of course now we have duplicates…I am sorry for that.
    I would never have agreed to go on air without identifying my affiliation…..in my world that is required. Paul confirms this in his comments on the stream at the time in his response to Dixon:
    Posted by: Dixon Cruickshank | 07 September 2010 at 11:06 PM
    “….its just unehthical to have someone paid and/or a benifactor monetarialy to pose as a uninvolved citizen in a debate or disussion without disclosure …”
    Posted by: Paul Emery | 08 September 2010 at 10:20 AM
    “You are way out of line here…….I stated very clearly he was with SBC when I introduced the guests.
    “Steve Frisch is President and CEO of the Sierra Business Council
    A 700 members regional business organization committed to the sustainable future of the Sierra Nevada.”
    Before you accuse me of shoddy journalism you better take a little time and study the accepted protocols for broadcast journalism. ”
    George, you violated the agreement, you know you violated the agreement, and you still won’t cop to it. I was never passed off as “just another private citizen”, although, quite frankly that is what I am. Being an employee of a non profit organization does not make anything other than a private citizen. I am exercising my right to free speech and free association, and as long as I am following the rules set out for managing a 501c3, I don’t owe you, or anyone else jack shit just because people who donate to us get to deduct it from their income tax.

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  43. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    By the way George who is to say you had nothing to gain from the passage of Prop 23? For all I know you have a million bucks in Valero stock or are a paid blogger by Koch Industries. Why should we take your word for the contention that you have nothing to gain?

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  44. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    I didn’t even read the thread.
    Here is the deal. When I first started commenting on RR I was trying to find common ground while trying to promote the left on George’s terms. After getting nowhere I figured out I was allowing George to shape the dialogue with his misrepresentation of the issues, straw man arguments. I stopped trying to defend positions that weren’t truly mine but a figment of George’s imagination. I started calling “conservatives” on RR fascist/ corporatists because that is the truth. I started rejecting the premise of the argument and began to speak the truth about how things work for a vast majority of people in the US and internationally.
    The commentary from “conservatives” on RR are racist, corporatist, elitist, and promoters of the establishment interests over the peoples. I don’t think any “conservative” on RR would fit into the top elite bracket so I find it puzzling why they take the position of “a temporarily inconvenienced millionaire”.
    The reason I put “conservative” in quotations every time on RR is I grew up with conservatives who wouldn’t even come close to the ideology promoted on RR and its “conservative” participants. The conservatives I grew up with would be called solid left on this blog. I would categorize them as Eisenhower Republicans. The ideology promoted here squarely fits in to the neo-con category, including the faux libertarian Greg G.

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  45. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    You know what is incredibly great about this entire discussion? No one under 30 years old could give a rip about what you are talking about. You are DEAD to them.
    So continue to have a non-important discussion that achieves the following:
    1. It has no value
    2. It is irrelevant
    3. It makes the new generation roll its eyes
    4. They wish you would die sooner rather than later; you are a liability
    5. They hate you
    6. They put their fingers in their ears and say “la la la” when you talk
    7. You actual physical existence annoys them
    Deal.
    M.

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  46. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Even me Michael?….I am devastated!

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  47. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    No, I have heard that you are a Millennial whisperer. So you get a pass (-;

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  48. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    George I find it odd that Paul clearly stated that he identified me as the “President and CEO of the Sierra Business Council” and you did not challenge him on that at the time. Could it be that you just conveniently forget. According to Greg being mistaken in ones memory is not the same as lying. After all forgetting and lying are not quite the same thing. So which was it? (See September 2010 thread)
    I think I’m waiting for an apology!
    I once told you guys how this is done: you say, “I am sorry I was wrong”, and I say “Okay, apology accepted.”

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  49. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    “You may not be able to see the dangle through the fig leaf, but intelligent readers know exactly what George was saying.”
    Well, I for one never called Comrade Steve a communist. Never did I call that Pinko a Red.
    “.fear of loss of culture
    …..fear of losing your guns
    …..fear of loss of language
    …..fear of loss of sovereignty
    ….fear of crime”
    Guilty as charged Mr. non-communist pinko. Losing my guns may be on the horizon.
    Fear of loss of sovereignty…my, my. Lets count the ways. My friend’s son refused to pledge alliance to the UN while he was in the Gulf War. He was almost court marshaled , but stuck to his guns and said he swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States, not the UN. He also was told he was a citizen of Saudi Arabia while there and had papers to prove it. He was sent state side after some conservative bloggers got wind of what the military was doing forcing US soldiers vow allegiance to the Blue Helmets. BTW, those blue helmets always remind me of the old urinal cakes, but I digress once again.
    Sovereignty? Isn’t that what “local schools” and “local school boards” and local PTAs are all about?
    Fear of losing sovereignty? No and I don’t give a hoot what France or Sweden or Bolivia thinks of us and how we should be going things.
    Fear of crime? Like robbing our children from a decent education free from politically correct agenda. The kids on the school bus make mince meat of that phooney as soon as the school day is over.

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  50. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    “I once told you guys how this is done: you say, ‘I am sorry I was wrong’, and I say ‘Okay, apology accepted.’
    Never gonna happen with this crowd. The good news is that this crowd is completely irrelevant. They have no value. It is like speaking into the tornado. Fuck ’em.

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