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George Rebane

Actually, that should have been ‘… our out-of-depth Community Organizer’; but where to begin?

The ongoing and growing scandals – Asleep or fiddling while Benghazi burns, Holder going after Fox News reporter, IRS going after conservative orgs, DOJ tapping into AP, … – are piling up faster than the administration spin doctors can provide material for the late evening comedy shows.  Now we have a real genuine ‘Oh shit!’ embarrassment coming in the back door of the White House on Obamacare.

The unions are going public with their opposition to the President’s premier showcase legislation that has been celebrated by liberals from Nevada County to Cape Cod.  About 20M union members are about to take a real hard look at the remaining benefits of their union membership, then prepare to head for the exits.  Union leaders are screaming at the Dems in Congress to get them exempted from Obamacare, why?  Because they’ve now seen what the rest of us knew way back when, everything Obama told them about the ‘Affordable Care Act’ was a lie, they can’t afford it.

ObamaReidPelosiSome union leaders like KM Robinson of the United Union of Roofers are saying flat out that they should rebuild that travesty from ground up, or just get rid of it.  And that’s not good for the guy who sweet talked the unions out of gazillions to fund his election campaign – twice!  Now I’m not saying that ol’ Barry intended to screw his big base of support.  Not at all, he just screwed up big time and delivered a “train wreck” for what will wind up as 18% of America’s economy.  Well, he did have a little help from a few other ditzos on the Hill like Princess Pelosi and Hapless Harry.

Obamacare is being received so badly that Kathleen Sebelius, HNIC at the Dept of HHS is out beating the bushes for private funds to pay for some propaganda to get young healthy people to buy health insurance through the federally mandated state insurance exchanges.  Lawyers are looking at that little exercise as being the equivalent of Reagan’s Iran/Contra kerfuffle.  But what’s the ACA implementing cabinet secretary to do when we now hear that 54% of Americans “disapprove” of the healthcare munificence from their federal government.  In spite of all this, the lamestream continues to send their best crickets to cover the story – or stories.  (HNIC? that’s Head Nanny in Charge, what’d you think it meant?)

Thanks to Barry’s misreading of Lord Keynes and listening to fellow nobelist Krugman, the country is up to its collective butt in debt while continuing to dig the hole ever deeper.  As I have said before, Obamacare will turn out to be the world’s most expensive and despised healthcare system ever.  But not to worry, the CO and the peace-loving Dems are going to pay for the whole thing out of our defense budget.  The speeches about America’s global retreat are already being delivered on a weekly basis.


But even that doesn’t satisfy the Occupy sector of his base.  My favorite pro-communist website truthout.com published a doozy of a screed that laid bare the Left’s real response to all this capitalism and ill-distributed wealth in the land.  William Rivers Pitt, their number one mouthpiece and editor, wrote in ‘The Beginning of the End of the Beginning’ a pretty ominous screed that ended with –

Occupy was only the beginning, but may very well have been the last manifestation of peaceful resistance against the ever-widening chasm of inequality and desolation. The noose is tightening around the necks of average people, and more become radicalized with each passing day. The wealthy would do well to take note of this, and voluntarily move to square the savage imbalance that drives billions around the world into furious despair. It does not have to be this way, and if it continues in this way, eventually the dam is going to break. When that happens, woe be unto those who believe their wealth keeps them safe and cozy. On that day, the rock will not hide them, and the dead tree will give no shelter.

Lest you think that this is a message from some remote hinterland of leftwing nuts (or is it left wingnuts, whatever), truthout.com successfully raises tens of thousands monthly to stay in business, and regularly features nationally prominent leftwing contributors like Amy Goodman and Robert Reich.  And the lamestream (along with local acolytes) continues to put out Napolitano’s copy that it is the tea partiers and our veterans that Americans need to keep an eye out for (see also RL Crabb’s cartoon).

Moving on to more progressive nonsense.  Everyone should have heard by now that our California legislature is queuing up a series of bills to stop the extraction of shale oil and gas from the state’s recently discovered Monterey Shale Formation which contains about two thirds of the country’s entire shale fuel reserves.  Why stop it?  Well the butt stupid reason given is that it will require fracking to extract the fuels, and who knows what fracking will cause if we allow it in California, probably everything from exploding water faucets to the heartbreak of psoriasis.  Not.  California has been successfully fracking its shale deposits for decades with not one incident of pollution or psoriasis.  The alternative reason, of course, is that California’s economy must be brought to its knees in order to put through the planning and control policies for managing our population, policies that would eerily fly in tight formation with Agenda 21.

ForestFireOne of those policy areas was aired yesterday afternoon in the Board of Supervisors chamber in Nevada County’s Rood Center.  The Supes were considering the forest fuels problem as we enter a particularly long and dry fire season.  We all know that our forests are overflowing with thick undergrowth and slash that is primed to burn.  And starting with the EPA, abetted by legions of eco-nuts, who know how to file ‘sue and settle’ lawsuits, our hands are tied when attempting to implement common sense solutions that will abate the fire danger, create jobs, and turn a profit for private enterprise.

Dr Tom Quinn of the USDA Forest Service and Forest Supervisor of the Tahoe National Forest gave an excellent presentation on the situation to the BoS and interested county residents.  I was alarmed to learn that California annually harvests only about one tenth of the board feet of timber that the forests in the state produce.  And we do that while importing 75% of our lumber needs from out of state.  Federal and state policies have shut down hundreds of lumber mills and destroyed thousands of jobs along with countless communities, leaving behind economic and ecological destitution.

In the meantime power plants in Europe are being mandated to convert from fossil fuels to burning wood pellets resulting in more net carbon being pumped into the atmosphere because of the accounting methods used by their local eco-nuts.  This is germane because Europe doesn’t have enough wood to burn for electricity, and therefore will have to import it from – wait for it – South Carolina and other southeastern states.

Meanwhile here in California – we are too far from Europe to economically supply its needs – our eco-nuts and their Sacramento political counterparts are figuring out how to stop the remainder of California’s meager timber harvests.  (I also had a chance to talk with Dr Quinn after his presentation ended.)  And they’re doing it with great success, making it virtually impossible to supply our own timber needs or adopt new technologies to make economically viable bio-fuels out of trees and undergrowth that ONLY contribute to the fire danger to all of us who live in these forests.

To put a ribbon on the whole thing, today the Forest Service is considering shutting down a huge hunk of the Tahoe National Forest for the sole purpose of protecting some supposedly endangered yellow-clawed, stipe-bellied, cross-eyed, pigeon-toed frog.  Isn’t Obamastan wonderful?

[30may13 update]  H/T to reader.

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116 responses to “Travails of our Community Organizer (updated 30may13)”

  1. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    George,
    Allow all Americans to buy into Medicare if they wanted. Make health insurance and care not-for-profit once again. Break the strangle hold of the AMA and the pharmaceutical industry on medical schools. If we were to do these things the need for a mandated state solution wouldn’t be necessary. I agree with Paul on the R’s absolute apathy towards the plight of Americans and the skyrocketing health care costs. The D’s did something I would have expected from the R’s and in fact Obamacare was first proposed by the Nixon administration and Ted Kennedy stopped it from happening because it wasn’t strong enough. That is how far to the right both the R’s and D’s have gone. Nixon (R) was to the left of Obama.

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  2. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    I should say Nixon (R) and the Republican Party were to the left of Obama and the modern day Democratic Party.

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  3. Paul Emery Avatar

    Benghazi is off the front pages, DOJ has peaked, there is no evidence any laws were broken and it’s pretty consistent with the Patriot Act, IRS is ripe right now. Soon it will settle into a long slog of “plausible denial” from the White House, aka Iran Contra, Watergate, Valerie Plame, something the Republicans perfected. Oh I must add Clinton’s famous “I did not have sex with that woman” as one of the gems of the gendre.
    As far as healthcare is concerned by the time Obama became President it had degenerated to the point that it was an urgent problem. Whatever the Republicans tried during their control of the government obviously didn’t work. The Pubbers are bought off by the same money that buys off the Democrats, a Billion a year in lobby cash. Obamacare is the result of that bi-partisan effort to do nothing to interfere the cash flow to the Medical industries which include legal, insurance. pharmaceutical, medical and hospital interests. The Republicans offered no alternatives that became law RE: 8:52 so they are not a threat and just keep raking in the dough.

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  4. Gregory Avatar

    “Whatever the Republicans tried during their control of the government obviously didn’t work.”
    -Paul
    Because they didn’t control the government, they couldn’t institute the reforms they wanted. That’s what happens when you have an evenly split Congress, Paul. They also had other fish that needed frying, and outside of Libertarians and P&F/Greens, everyone was on board on the War on Terror.
    Obama/Pelosi/Reid rode in on a 60/40 horse after the electorate blamed Bush for the economic shudder caused by the Democratic subprime mortgage chickens coming home to roost. Thanks in part to Arlen “Benedict Arnold” Specter who jumped from Republican to Democrat in hopes to keep his seat in 2010 (didn’t work, once he helped pass the ACA they unceremoniously dumped him), a deal got made, passing on a party line vote.
    I can’t help but note Paul seems to be rejoicing that there are so many scandals, the new ones are overshadowing the old ones. I don’t see how that is a big positive for Democrats in power. It appears to me that the press has past its tipping point: while some may have given Obama a pass for pulling out the proctoscope for Fox, ramming it up the AP’s reporters phone records finally ruffled some feathers.
    Nov 2014 should be interesting.

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  5. Paul Emery Avatar

    Gregory
    As far as instituting reforms the Pubbers didn’t try very hard. Armstrong Williams, conservative commentator sums it up like this in a recent editorial:
    “Ignoring tort reform has been devastating to taxpayers, the economy and American business. The U.S. is the most litigious nation in the world; it weakens us competitively and lessens respect for America’s legal system in the eyes of the world. The question isn’t how this critical issue fell from our sight lines to the sidelines. The question is: Why have we permitted trial lawyers to worm their way into our ranks to undermine GOP priorities and the party itself?”
    This view affirms my contention that the Pub Party left on it’s own will bow to the will of special interests rather than take action for meaningful reform.

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  6. Gregory Avatar

    That “recent” column dates from 2011.
    Paul, those NC bills passed and were signed into law. Armstrong is ranting that there were a couple of GOP outliers really isn’t the point, that 97.5% of the money from trial lawyers went to Democrats is.

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  7. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Why should any special interest group have sway over our government?
    A couple of statements from Judge Napolitano on Tort Reform.
    “Tort has resulted the uplifting of human society”
    Judge Napolitano 6-2-10
    Is tort reform constitutional? Many Republicans have argued that trial lawyers have filed frivolous lawsuits against health care providers and that has caused their insurance carriers to seek higher premiums on the providers’ malpractice policies, and those costs have been passed on to patients. In fact, all states have laws against frivolous lawsuits, and lawyers are frequently forced to pay the legal fees of those whom they have wrongfully sued. Moreover, well over 95% of all health care malpractice litigation takes place in state courts. The states run their own court systems. Congress is powerless to tell the states what awards juries should give or who can be sued in the state court systems. Thus, in my opinion, so-called federal tort reform would be unconstitutional as a congressional invasion of the powers retained by the states when they joined the Union.
    A great interview with Ralph Nader and Andrew Napolitano.
    http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/293848-1

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  8. Gregory Avatar

    “This view affirms my contention that the Pub Party left on it’s own will bow to the will of special interests rather than take action for meaningful reform.”
    This post of yours affirms my suspicion you’ll do your best to find something that justifies your preconceived notions. In this case, Armstrong (whose ship has come and gone) is ranting about a couple of GOP lawmakers who are also trial lawyers who didn’t vote against the trial lawyers.
    It would be more interesting if they’d voted for the trial lawyers if their votes held the bill’s fate in the balance. In this case, the bill didn’t need their votes to pass, and by voting for it, they won’t become targets among their peers. Maybe they even thought the bill was a bad one.
    Really, Paul, is this the best you can do? Demanding the GOP be 100% in lock step with their leadership 100% of the time lest the news director of KVMR not take them seriously?

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  9. Paul Emery Avatar

    Gregory
    The Pubs have been totally ineffictive in passing any kind or Tort reform. That’s the bottom line. Cheap talk is all I’ve heard. The Rebane types are the ones who should be pissed about it since they’ve been counting on the Pubbers to carry their flag which they’ve done so ineffectivley. Do you have any theory as to why the pubs have been so ineffictive other than blaming it on the Dems? Do you think at all that special interest money has been an influence?
    Can you document this? “97.5% of the money from trial lawyers went to Democrats ”
    Usually special interewt money is spread about more evenly.

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  10. Gregory Avatar

    “The Pubs have been totally ineffictive in passing any kind or Tort reform. That’s the bottom line.”
    The bottom line is that Democrats have blocked it because the Trial Lawyers are a Democratic Sacred Cow. Give the GOP a 60/40 advantage in Congress, or a 55/45 with a healthy number of Democrats willing to cross the aisle, and you’ll get tort reform. Blaming the GOP for Dem intransigence is beyond obtuse.

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  11. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Paul it is about more than just donations. Here is a link that puts in lobbying and spending.
    http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/index.php

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  12. Gregory Avatar

    “Can you document this? “97.5% of the money from trial lawyers went to Democrats “”
    I guess you didn’t bother reading to the end of that piece you lauded… I pulled that from that Armstrong op-ed whose link you posted:
    “According to the Center for Responsive Politics, the American Association for Justice contributed more than $2.8 million in 2010, of that amount only $71,000, or 2.5 percent, went to Republicans.”
    Subtract 2.5 from 100 and you get 97.5% going to Dems.

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  13. Paul Emery Avatar

    Well noted Gregory. Why then do you think the Repubs are so impotent when it comes to passing Federal tort reform legislation? Perhaps because the Cato Institute among others question the Constitutionality of the Feds doing that.
    http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/tort-reform-gops-fairweather-federalism
    “Congress is now considering the “Help Efficient, Accessible, Low-cost, Timely Healthcare (HEALTH) Act of 2011.” This bill alters state medical malpractice rules by, for example, placing caps on noneconomic damages.
    But tort law — the body of rules by which persons seek damages for injuries to their person and property — has always been regulated by states, not the federal government. Tort law is at the heart of what is called the “police power” of states.
    What constitutional authority did the supporters of the bill rely upon to justify interfering with state authority in this way? ……”
    AS far as interstate health insurance, under Obamacare Section 1333 permits states to form health care choice inter-state compacts and allow insurers to sell policies in any state participating in the compact. Two or more states may enter into compacts under which one or more insurance plans may be offered in the such states, subject to the laws and regulations of the state in which it was written.
    That’s better than any reform Pubs have been able to achieve

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  14. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Ah, the GOP, first they lost black voters because they embraced the southern strategy, then they lost women voters because they embraced the philosophy of Phyllis Schlafly, then they lost Hispanic voters because they embraced Pete Wilson, then they lost trial lawyers because they embraced the Federalist Society, then they lost Libertarians because they embraced George W. Bush Now they are losing young voters because they embrace the philosophy of Ted Nugent.
    Talk about a zero sum game!
    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/gop-youth-vote-report-92119.html
    I wonder what % of Sheldon Adelson’s more than $30 million donated in 2012 campaigns [10 times more than the American Association for Justice] went to Democrats?
    Kind of a silly case if you ask me.

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  15. Gregory Avatar

    Report on IRS employee political donations traceable to the Cincinnati office (the one doing the 501c determinations) in the last election… 100% to Dems. Overall, 2:1 to Dems over the GOP.
    From the CNBC program Kudlow & Company.

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  16. Gregory Avatar

    “Why then do you think the Repubs are so impotent when it comes to passing Federal tort reform legislation?”
    Does Paul not think that if Dems have 50+% of the Senate as they did for much of the Bush years and for all of the Obama years, and that Dems vote against tort reform in a block, that it’s simple math that nothing will get done?
    I think you’re in danger of leaving obtuse in a cloud of dust on your way to idiotic.

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  17. Gregory Avatar

    “under Obamacare Section 1333 permits states to form health care choice inter-state compacts and allow insurers to sell policies in any state participating in the compact.” -Paul
    …Since all the insurers have to sell essentially the same policy, why does Paul think that’s better than tort reform? That’s totally unlike past attempts by the GOP to float Federal regulation (imagine the Feds invoking the interstate commerce clause to actually regulate interstate commerce rather than anything that has a faint dotted line to interstate commerce) to allow insurers to cross state lines to sell whatever insurance that customers in that state might want?
    Give me catastrophic insurance (with an option of out of state underwriters) with a moderate deductible, open pricing by health care providers, forgiveness for prior conditions diagnosed during periods of continuous coverage and no risk pool smaller than a congressional district, and we’re good to go.

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  18. Paul Emery Avatar

    Once again the Republican tort reform proposal
    “Help Efficient, Accessible, Low-cost, Timely Healthcare (HEALTH) Act of 2011.”
    This was questioned as to it’s constitutionality by the Cato institute. That’s probably why the Pubsters are backing off on the idea. What is your view on a federal legislation regarding tort reforms. Is that not a States prerogative ?
    http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/tort-reform-gops-fairweather-federalism
    Section 1333 under Obamacare has nothing to do with Tort reform so but with interstate insurance availability so there’s no reason to compare it with Tort reform.

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  19. Gregory Avatar

    Given that Federal dollars were buying more than half of all healthcare before Obamacare, I suspect there’s constitutional room for tort reform at the federal level. The commerce clause has been stretched way beyond that in the past.
    Regarding 1333 you brought it up as though it was a greater benefit than tort reform. Personally, I think it was a red herring that some might confuse with past GOP efforts to allow interstate competition, but it isn’t. Just window dressing. Practically useless.

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  20. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Oh, our silly community organizer has problems of late. Think the first problem is Obama himself. Don’t believe he is particularly fond of governing. He loves being the top dog, but me thinks he would rather delegate responsibility of pushing important bills rather than roll up his sleeves and fight for his agenda with every ounce of energy he can tirelessly muster in every waking moment.
    He let the Dems push through Obama-Care and the result is an unworkable plan. The economy was in a free fall so he got his Stimulus that would create 400,000 jobs building bridges and solved that problem, and moved on the to vacations and campaigning. Don’t know if the nuts and bolts of governance just bore him, but he sure acts like it does.
    The second problem about Obama that has caused woes for our leader was his 2008 message. He spoke in populist terms, simplistic idealism which was widely popular. He seems, like most true liberals, to have forgotten the history of the last 50 years or so and foolishly spouted that it would be different this time, “change you can believe in” and “hope and change.” Most transparent Administration in history, in the history of the World!! Nice words and phrases lifting one’s emotions but rhetoric fails miserably when the rubber meets the road. He is not pragmatic like Clinton was.
    The third cause of his woes is bringing Chicago style politics to Washington. Arm twisting and unveiled threats may be so common in Chicago that it is not even newsworthy and someone coming from that background just might believe that is politics as usual. Any political threat, real or imagined, must be dealt with swiftly and fatally as long as the results are favorable. This “above the law” Chicago style mindset has not served Obama well under the bright lights of fame.

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  21. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Gregory wrote: “Report on IRS employee political donations traceable to the Cincinnati office (the one doing the 501c determinations) in the last election… 100% to Dems. Overall, 2:1 to Dems over the GOP.”
    Does it trace back to the White House? Of course not. Is there an Enemies List of people to be audited by the IRS? Of course not.
    Game, set, match. Next.
    Gregory wrote: “Give me catastrophic insurance (with an option of out of state underwriters) with a moderate deductible, open pricing by health care providers, forgiveness for prior conditions diagnosed during periods of continuous coverage and no risk pool smaller than a congressional district, and we’re good to go.”
    I would be good to go with that too! But since the Republican Party almost no longer exists, if I were you I would get the Democrats to hoist your flag. Look, they act and think like the old Republicans from decades ago, they believe in things like this, and they are the only who can possibly pass any legislation these days! Why pine for a party that is busy in a disgusting and scary display of self-trepanation?
    Time to move on, Gregory.

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  22. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    Any reason my recent postings that were once here have disappeared? The last one was around 9:30.

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  23. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1022pm – not a clue. If you’ve been away from RR for a while, be sure to refresh the page before you post a comment. Sometimes TypePad times you out.

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  24. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Paul, I have had the same recent experience. You have to be diligent with TypePad:
    1. Always create your comment in another editor that can save the data.
    2. Post your comment, then close the tab or window and open a “freshy” to see if it stuck.
    3. If no sticky, rinse lather and repeat.
    Eventually you will achieve TypePad joy, but there are no guarantees. Don’t even read the boilerplate, it is meaningless.

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  25. Paul Emery Avatar

    Let me try again
    George
    What is your view about the constitutionality of Federal tort reform keeping in mind the view of the CATO Institute editorial ?
    http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/tort-reform-gops-fairweather-federalism

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  26. Gregory Avatar

    Time to pull your head out from it’s hiding place and into the sunlight, MA. While I’ve never been a member the death of the Republican Party has been greatly exaggerated, and the IRS scandals are growing, not receding.
    That ‘party that no longer exists’ still controls the House and may pick up a Senate seat in the next few days.
    Looking forward to dumping your young employees into Obamacare next January?

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  27. Gregory Avatar

    MA, let me help you with your Typepad woes. No, an external editor isn’t required though it is a workable brute force method.
    Start off being signed in. If you forget and write first, copy the text in the edit window before proceeding because it will get lost if you don’t.
    Use the editor as is. When finished, push Post. If timed out, copy the text in the edit window before proceeding. You might not lose it but I’d not bet on that.

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  28. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 630am – As a conservetarian I do back states rights and look forward to the several states reforming their tort laws as they see fit. (“laboratories of democracy” and all that) But it is Congress that 1) should make a federal law that doesn’t allow tort lawyers to shop states and their courts for filing suits for grievances committed in another state. And 2) as for collecting sales taxes, ‘locus’ for suits is important. If you got hurt in California, you file in California.
    However, Congress can allow you to do commerce (buy/sell) across state lines. Therefore, I should be able to buy health insurance anywhere I want.

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  29. George Rebane Avatar

    Re the much hailed deaths of the Republican party and the Obama scandals, it is clear that the news sources of our liberal readers are woefully selective and late in what they report. It appears that most of those readers then have very little idea of what is going on in the country. This is confirmed by the cricket brigades sent to answer specific points raised here.

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  30. Paul Emery Avatar

    So then George, looking at your reform measures you say will help with health care costs, comprehensive tort reform, to be Constitutional, has to happen on a state by state basis with some exceptions as you outlined 08:08 AM . Obamacare does allows insurance pools to be operated across state lines so that should help. As far as “massive tax reform” what realistic goals can be accomplished that would help out? Since health care is a vital issue, pragmatic politics is necessary here to extend any hope if indeed Obamacare gets repealed as you would prefer.
    Basically I’m asking you what you see as the near term landscape for healthcare if indeed Obama care gets the ax.

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  31. Gregory Avatar

    “comprehensive tort reform”
    Comprehensive? Paul, you’re moving the goalposts a bit too much. The trick is to not build straw men that are so unlike what has been said as to be easy to spot.
    BTW this fascination you have with the ‘across state lines’ red herring is really misplaced. So they “allow” states to cooperate. How special. The reforms that Dems thwarted was the Feds allowing people to buy across state lines no matter what their state wanted. Breaking the stranglehold states had to deny purchasers access to the insurance markets of other states.
    BTW I buy one insurance policy I need from an out of state broker representing an out of state underwriter. It exists, just not for types of insurance the State of California, in its infinite wizdumb, has decided it’s own department of insurance needs to control. Follow the money.

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  32. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 500pm – For openers, if Obamacare is repealed, the “near term landscape for healthcare would” would return to its normal rate of increase instead of the rate increases on steroids and rationing now becoming evident. Among the many things Obamacare fails at, ‘First, do no harm.’ is probably the most egregious.
    Attempting to outline “realistic goals” for tax reform today is an empty exercise. The progressives in power will not accept reforms that call a cease fire on class warfare. The indelible goal of theirs is to eliminate wealth and income inequalities no matter what penalties the isheeple have to pay in their QoL. Both Cato and Heritage, among others, are replete with flat and fair tax reforms that would return real growth to our economy. They all have a snowball’s chance in hell.

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  33. Paul Emery Avatar

    So under the Repubs plan it’s back to the emergency room for the uninsured. I doubt if a majority of Republicans would support a flat tax let alone Democrats. It’s far too radical a change with too many uncertainties for the business community to support.
    Nice to see you quote a Buddhist line.
    ‘First, do no harm.’

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  34. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Here is a CBO report on how many people will still be uninsured after Ocare kicks in by 2022. Now all I can say is, we have been snookered. Thanks to a ridiculous decision by John Roberts, all of we Americans bodies are in the hands of the IRS, except those 30 million.
    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/cbo-obamacare-will-leave-30-million-uninsured

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  35. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1103pm – Who supports what is a different matter from what I would recommend. All my life I’ve been fortunate enough to be out of the mainstream.
    BTW, ‘First, do no harm’ comes from the Hippocratic ‘corpus’ that ultimately was ensconced into western medical ethics as ‘Primum non nocere’. Have no idea where the Buddhist got it from.

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  36. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    George and Paul,
    I wish this blog could stop equating republicans and democrats as representatives of right and left ideology. Both parties represent the same interests at this point.
    If these graphs are correct it was during the Reagan years when health care costs exploded. That was about the time when health care become a for profit all through out industry.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/the-history-of-health-care-spending-in-7-graphs/2012/01/09/gIQAFlCCmP_gallery.html#photo=1
    It seems the late 70’s and 80’s was when wages stopped tracking productivity but core expenditures for the average American household have gone up dramatically. As campaigns have become more expensive to run (handcuffing candidates to corporate interests) the corporate profits have exploded, 2012 being the best year in 60 years for corporate profits.
    1976 -1992 the % increase to run for public office was 10%
    1992 – 2008 the % increase to run for public office was 400%
    2008- 2012 the % hasn’t been published yet but there will be a big increase for sure
    http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/04/as-share-of-gdp-corporate-profits-highest-since-1950/
    Health Care costs about twice as much as it did in 1980 when adjusted for inflation
    Mortgages are twice as much as it did in 1980 when adjusted for inflation
    Higher education is exponentially higher in cost since 1980.

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  37. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 856am – I’m sure everyone knows that neither party exactly represents the various shadings of Right and Left ideologies. I know the Repubs don’t exactly hew to my conservatism. But using them as referents is simply a convenience, especially when we also include aspects of implementing political power.
    I continue to find amusing your understanding of history and economics as you remind us again that there was a golden age when healthcare was not a for-profit enterprise.

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  38. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    The R’s best represent most of my beliefs even though there are some issues I wish they should leave alone. That is the only way we folks who are not sheeple, like the BenE’s are, can gain access to make changes. Better most of the loaf than none as those “indies” experience. It must suck to be starving all the time.

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  39. Paul Emery Avatar

    George, Todd have either of you ever voted for anyone other than a Republican for President?

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  40. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Golden Age of health care was when average working people could afford it.
    The two party’s rhetoric is what we might identify with but if we truly look at their actions it isn’t a whole lot different. Government programs such as SNAP are an indicator of a dysfunctional system especially when the enrollment rate has skyrocketed along side corporate profits. In an economic downturn with millions of people losing their jobs, houses, health insurance, and hope we have at the same time Wall St hitting record highs. It can’t get much more black and white.
    How else can this be perceived other than cronyism and corruption?

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  41. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1031am – You’ve asked that question several times in these pages. Once more: Yes, I voted for Bobby Kennedy.
    BenE 1031am – I couldn’t find the answer to my 903am puzzlement about when healthcare was a not for-profit enterprise.

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  42. Paul Emery Avatar

    That must have been in the California primary since Kennedy was assassinated before the election. Were you registered as a Democrat back then George?

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  43. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1113am – Correct. I voted for him in the morning, and before nightfall Sirhan Sirhan had shot him. And not only was I a registered Democrat then, but also a member of the NAACP which I joined after MLK’s assassination earlier that year.

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  44. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    PaulE, have you ever voted for a Republican for President?

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  45. Paul Emery Avatar

    I did, Barry Goldwater in ’64. Also I voted for Ross Perot in ’92 and Gary Johnson, Libertarian, last year. How about you Todd? Ever vote for a Dem or Independent?

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  46. Gregory Avatar

    The old saw about if you are not a socialist when young you have no heart, and not a conservative (let’s give them a pass, they meant libertarian -grins) when old you have no brain, seems to hold here.
    I shook Bobby Kennedy’s hand in ’68 and voted McGovern in ’72.

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  47. Paul Emery Avatar

    Yeah Gregory I was a Conservative in 64 I always liked Goldwater, who would not qualify as a Conservative nowadays and would never be picked as a Pres candidate by todays Repubs. For example here’s Goldwater on gays in the military:
    ” After more than 50 years in the military and politics, I am still amazed to see how upset people can get over nothing. Lifting the ban on gays in the military isn’t exactly nothing, but it’s pretty damned close
    Everyone knows that gays have served honorably in the military since at least the time of Julius Caesar. They’ll still be serving long after we’re all dead and buried. That should not surprise anyone.
    But most Americans should be shocked to know that while the country’s economy is going down the tubes, the military has wasted half a billion dollars over the past decade chasing down gays and running them out of the armed services. ”
    And on a woman’s right to choose:
    “Today’s so-called ‘conservatives’ don’t even know what the word means. They think I’ve turned liberal because I believe a woman has a right to an abortion. That’s a decision that’s up to the pregnant woman, not up to the pope or some do-gooders or the Religious Right. It’s not a conservative issue at all.”
    http://www.politicalruminations.com/2011/12/morning-quote-barry-goldwater.html

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  48. Gregory Avatar

    I suspect the ‘conservatarian’ here would put up with the right to an abortion if Roe v Wade didn’t also find a right of the abortionist to pick the pocket of conservatarians in order to pay for it.

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  49. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    So PaulE, how old were you in 1964? BTW, the votes for Perot and Johnson don’t count as examples.
    The closest I got to a democrat was my vote for the black mayor of LA for Governor. Nixon was my first Prez vote.

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