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More than two out of three Americans think that “government is out of control and threatening our basic liberties.”  Fox News poll reported on 21 May 2013.

George Rebane

RosaK21may13Last night we attended the Agenda21 talk at the Grass Valley Veterans Center given by anti-Agenda21 activist and author Rosa Koire.  Her talk was sponsored by our local CABPRO and was attended by about two hundred people who arrived from places as far as Reno and the bay area.  Ms Koire is a self-described liberal Democrat and ‘married’ lesbian who also happens to be an excellent and animated speaker, especially about Agenda21, a topic about which she is very well informed and quite passionate.  (We also bought her recent book Behind the Green Mask: UN Agenda 21.)

RR readers are familiar with my Agenda21 views, they are a matter of record and available in the ‘Agenda21’ section of this website.  Ms Koire emphasized that Agenda21 is a non-partisan issue. She went on to summarize the UN’s Agenda21 Sustainable Development initiative as “the action plan to inventory and control all land, all water, all minerals, all plants, all animals, all construction, all means of production, all information, all energy, and all human beings in the world. INVENTORY AND CONTROL”

In short, Agenda21 (first formulated in 1987) is the blueprint for the stage-wise achievement of a unified global government that rules the world within one standardized set of laws, regulations, and codes that will spread social justice uniformly over all lands and peoples.  The project is not a conspiracy or some ‘tin hat’ mythology, but an open initiative that in 1992 was signed on to by 179 world leaders that included President George HW Bush.

The fundamental thesis underlying this plan is that humanity’s current mode of living on the planet – lifestyles, modes of commerce, capitalism, property ownership, energy consumption, regions of habitation, etc – are unsustainable and must be drastically altered during the 21st century.


Agenda21 gained traction in the US under President Clinton who created the President’s Council on Sustainable Development “for the sole purpose of getting it into every city, county, and state in the US through federal rules, regulations, and grants.  This is a global plan but it is implemented locally.”  And that is the most important part, Agenda21 is not designed to advance under one global banner or initiative.  Instead, it is to progress bit by piece through local actions under easily marketable notions like ‘sustainability’ and ‘smart growth’ that are being written into local general plans, zonings, building codes, land use directives, etc across the country.

With such distributed and incremental local initiatives the goals of Agenda21 continue to be advanced without ever having to proclaim the end objective.  This makes it almost impossible for local elected officials and planning commissions to connect the dots.  Anyone appearing before such bodies to oppose the next property use denying or development inhibiting ordnance or code by pointing out how that would advance Agenda21 is simply dismissed as a ‘conspiracy theorist’ or right wingnut, with the local Left cheering on the electeds in their demonstrated wisdom and keen insight. 

(Nevada County is a poster child for witnessing the advance of Agenda21 exactly through such mechanisms.  Here our BoS not only cannot connect the dots, they don’t even see any dots to connect.  Their current alternative is to spend $500K and release a newly commissioned platoon of code enforcers to harass county residents for code violations in the attempt to collect fines and fees to make up for a lagging tax base and looming unfunded pension liabilities.)

The intent of this post is not to present a comprehensive review of Agenda21, that is available in its entirety as Agenda 21: Earth Summit: The United Nations Programme of Action from Rio.  Here you will read how humans will be reconfigured to live and work in smartly stacked and packed communities, individual 24/7 monitoring, restricted to travel on public (state controlled) transportation through narrow corridors, and inhibited from even setting foot in “wildlands” which will cover the overwhelming proportion of the earth’s land areas.  All of this will be managed by new regional governments – replacing current local governments – that will uniformly execute centrally planned provisions under the overall control of a global government.  A term of art for this configuration of governance is ‘communitarianism’, which in its target embodiment pretty well subsumes everything that Karl Marx envisioned for us.

The talk lasted about ninety minutes and was followed by a Q&A period during which Jo Ann and I took our leave.  When getting into regional details Ms Koire pointed out a slew of NorCal organizations that follow The Local Agenda 21 Planning Guide from ICLEI (International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives).  ICLEI is the UN’s boots-on-the-ground organizational framework that manages thousands of local ICLEI chapters worldwide.  There are over 500 of them in the US with California (where else?) claiming 100 of those.  Some typical names of local organizations which actually get into the implementation phase of Agenda 21 are ‘Vision 2035’, ‘Your Town 2025’, ‘One Bay Area’, ‘Plan NY’, … .

Closer to home, Ms Koire pointed to the Sierra Business Council (headquartered in Truckee) under the leadership of Mr Steven Frisch (RR reader and commenter) as the leading promulgator of Agenda21 provisions in the Sierra.  There are, of course, many more fine sounding organizations in these parts who are all concerned with smart growth, the environment, sustainable development, land trusts, etc and whose common denominator is to constructively remove the benefits of ownership by incrementally reducing the property rights of their current owners.

Ms Koire pointed out that in the Third Reich the Nazis did not bother to confiscate any lands or production capabilities from their original owners.  Their approach was much simpler – they just told the owners exactly what they must do with and on their land, what things in what quantities would be produced in the factories, and what goods would be sold in which shops.  Unfortunately, Agenda21 calls for a more draconian approach to the disposition of private property.

[25may13 update]  Mr
Steven Frisch, CEO of the Sierra Business Council, has offered to debate Ms
Rosa Koire.  The proposal was aired in
the comment stream below (cf. 25
May 2013 at 08:59 AM
below).  Another
reader and KVMR’s news director, Mr Paul Emery has offered to carry the debate
live on radio.  All good and well.  My own growing curiosity about the debate
offer is what will be the contending notions that warrant a debate.  Will they involve the reality of the A21’s
Rio proposals, the fact that so many countries have signed up, that ICLEIs have
been established to promote the A21 objectives (including training local
activists and sympathetic community leaders on how to make the most progress), …,
or??  Perhaps Mr Frisch will take the
position that the whole Agenda 21 thing is simply another rightwing “rural myth”
or a chimera to oppose the progressive agenda which has nothing to do with
Agenda 21.

Then there’s the viewpoint taken by Mr Emery that Ms
Koire is simply going around the country spraying audiences with her debatable “assumptions”.  And that these need to be appropriately
countered to clear the air once and for all. 
I don’t know, but it sure would be an interesting encounter that should
provide more light than heat.  Should Ms
Koire accept and come back to Nevada County, Jo Ann and I would even invite her
to stay with us to minimize the cost of her visit.

[26may13 update]  The following comment as posted below by Russ Steele is substantial and important contribution to the topic of this post.  I have decided to include it as an update so that it becomes more visible part of the subject matter.

Nevada
County’s initial brush with Agenda 21 was the NH2020 initiative that
was managed by Sierra Business Council under the guidance of Izzy
Martin, then the BOS Chair and charter member of the Gang Four that were
promoting sustainable development, which was eventually written in to
the County land use plans and regulations. Not with an Agenda 21 sub
title, but with the full intent of implementing sustainable development.
And, we are living with the economic results today.

Sustainable Development entered the world officially in 1987 in a
report of the United Nations Commission on Environment and Development
entitled, “Our Common Future”. This commission was chaired by Gro Harlem
Brundtland, Prime minister of Norway and Vice-President of the World
Socialist Party.

The theme of this report was “meeting today’s need’s without
compromising future generations to meet their own needs”. If one is to
look, this mission statement has been incorporated into many government
and non-government organizations. You will find this them embedded in
their mission also, but it will be called “community planning”,
“comprehensive planning”, “growth management planning”, or “smart
growth”. I am sure your have heard those words tossed around in public
meeting in Nevada County.

Community planning, it is based on the creation of councils called
“visioning councils”. These councils are manipulated in such a way as to
arrive at a pre-determined outcome. The professional facilitators of
the meeting work hard to make sure all those involved are easily swayed
into being agreeable. The process utilizes group manipulation tactics.
Most people fear the thought of looking foolish in front of others and
tend to keep quiet.

I went to the Sierra Business Council Leadership Training program,
where we were taught how to control the out come of public meetings. How
to insure the group eventually agreed with the per-determined out come.
Out comes which could be reported in the press, presented at Supervisor
and City Council Meetings as the will of the community. We learned how
to handle vocal opposition, those unwilling to go along with the
pre-determined vision by using mockery to shut them up, or get them to
not return to future visioning sessions.

Sacramento Region went through this visioning process and developed a
“Blue Print” for the region, including surround counties of Yuba,
Sutter, Yolo, Sacramento, and Placer County. Nevada and El Dorado
County were excluded from the “Blue Print” region. Maybe because of the
strong conservative forces in these counties, that would see through the
visioning process and the predetermined outcomes.

Your can see the Full Preferred Blue Print here — http://www.sacregionblueprint.org/

The Sac Metro Transportation Blue Print for Sustainable Community is here — http://www.sacog.org/2035/

When your look at this Blue Print for Sustainable Community it is
clear the goal is to reduce vehicle miles traveled (VMT) by building
transit centric communities, with walking paths, bike trails and golf
cart paths linking to transit facilities, business and shopping centers.
This goes back to Greg’s point about AGW. The reason for reducing VMT
is to reduce CO2 emissions.

We were fortunate to have beat down NH2020, but it will come back in
other forms. Remember that when you are invited to a community vision
meeting. You will be being lead down a predetermined path to
sustainability under the influence of Agenda 21. No one will mention
Agenda 21, only the buzz words of sustainable development.

What can you do? Ask your Supervisor/City Council Person if he or she
has attended the SBC Leadership Training Program. Ask if they have
attended the ICLEI (International Council for Local Environmental
Initiatives) training seminars, if they have funded Staff to attend the
SBC Training or ICLEI Training? Do the same at your City Council
Meeting.

And, last but not least, go to the vision meetings with a clear
understanding what they are up to and make your voices heard, there is
no place for Agenda 21 in Nevada County. We did it for NH2020 and we
can do it again!


Posted by:
Russ Steele |
25 May 2013 at 10:05 PM

[26may13 update2]  As Mr Frisch reported in this post’s comment stream, he did contact Ms Koire with his debate proposal.  Ms Koire emailed me her reply to Mr Frisch which I post here with her permission.

Hi
Steve,

It’s
too bad that you weren’t able to attend my very well-advertised speech or call
in to either of the local radio call-in shows that I did in advance.  You
could have had your public exchange at that time.  I have moved on to
another state now and am fully booked into 2014.  Unfortunately, there
isn’t enough time for me to return to towns and cities that I’ve covered. 

There
is nothing to debate.  The truth and the proof is in the paper trail that
includes not only the United Nations reports and conferences, but
also the legislative history of our country and the
well-documented activities of the UN organizations, Non-Governmental
Organizations and associations and councils such as your own.

Rosa
Koire, ASA


Executive Director


Post Sustainability Institute


PostSustainabilityInstitute.org


DemocratsAgainstUNAgenda21.com


SantaRosaNeighborhoodCoalition.com

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161 responses to “Agenda21 – The Beat Grows Stronger (updated 26may13)”

  1. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 230pm – Beats hell out of me. I was an attendee, not the organizer. Chuck Shea (ED CABPRO) should be consulted on all such matters.

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  2. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    The Blue Helmet People are slowly gobbling you up. There is no escape:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/25/opinion/this-is-not-2009.html?hp

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  3. fish Avatar
    fish

    The Blue Helmet People are slowly gobbling you up. There is no escape:
    Charles Blow? Really?
    Man…….standards have really fallen at the “Old Gray Lady”!

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  4. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Hey George, can you send me Chuck Shea’s e-mail address in a private e-mail. (or Chuck if you are reading can you send me an e-mail a sfrisch@sierrabusiness.org) I would like to get a copy of the videotape made by CABPRO of the event.
    By the way, if Ms. Korie would like to come back to Nevada County, or the Sierra, I would love to meet her in open debate, in an independent format, moderated by a third party. I am willing top pay her travel expenses and event costs.

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  5. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    …and the trap is set.
    Interesting bait, though I would suggest something a little more peanut-butter based, or tickets to The Dinah.
    And once she returns, the Nevada County blue helmet people will whisk her away in a black helicopter to their undisclosed location and force her to watch endless documentaries about Rana muscosa depredation.

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  6. Paul Emery Avatar

    What a great idea Steve. It could possibly be broadcast on KVMR. Her assumptions are highly debatable and it would be interesting to see it they hold up in a debate rather than in a lecture to an adoring crowd.

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  7. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 932am – To whet our appetites for the possibility of the such an event, please let us in on one or two of her highly debatable assumptions. Thanks.

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  8. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Thanks for the direct contact George….
    Paul, if KVMR is interested in acting as a neutral convener, and recruiting an appropriate mutually agreed upon moderator and a fair format, I would be very interested in participating in a true debate. I would prefer such an event be free to the public if possible and that speaking fees be deferred.
    It is worth exploring off line where I will now take this discussion in the interest of not litigating conditions publicly out of respect for those potentially involved and in the process.

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  9. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Sure George Here’s a start.
    “Moreover, people should be rounded up off the land and packed into human settlements, or islands of human habitation, close to employment centers and transportation……..High density urban development without parking for cars is the goal. This means that whole towns need to be demolished and rebuilt in the image of sustainable development. Bike groups are being used as the ‘shock troops’ for this plan.

    what towns have been demolished?

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  10. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    “Bike groups are being used as the ‘shock troops’…”
    This would explain why I saw Duane Strawser wearing a blue bike helmet the other day! The pieces are all starting to fit together. Hmmmmmm…

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  11. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    I am going to defer my participation in debate on this issue via this venue for the time being pending Ms. Korie’s response to the invitation I extended to her to this morning for a respectful public debate at some time in the near future. I will inform readers here, and at other venues, once an agreement about timing, format and location are reached.

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  12. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Mr. Anderson, lol. Since I was a wee lad, there has been talk about a one world government. Peace upon the land and the appearance of the Anti-Christ. The Trilateral Commission of the Carter disaster years, etc, etc. I am certain that it has been someone’s plans pre-dating Alexander the Great.
    However, I am always on guard for “the wolves in sheep’s clothing” to use a ancient metaphor. The dots are there to connect. The urban development models have long been espoused by the Sierra Club and urban planners looking forward. Free space is to be locked up and unused by the owners of private property. The unwashed hordes are to be. huddled together in little honey comb pods. The Utopia planners dismiss the “too many rats in a cage” arguments and the human free spirit.
    I am leery of someone or some committee in charge. The old “for the better good” is a dangerous path because of the frailties of human beings. We are corruptible and each has a price. Speaking of paths, why is the Road to Hell paved with good intentions?
    As long as UN peacekeepers can rape and rob villagers without prosecution or penalty, then, yes, I fear them blue helmeted dudes. They don’t care much about a nation’s sovereignty. In fact, they are opposed to it. Hate to have the UN Human Rights Committee be the boss of me or my acreage.

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  13. Russ Steele Avatar

    Steven Frisch
    Have you attended the ICLEI (International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives) training camp?
    I heard that some of the County Staff may been to ICLEI training, it was one mentioned in a Friday Memo.
    Do you know if have any of our elected County and City leaders have attended ICLEI Training Camps?

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  14. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1042am – Thanks for the insight. But again you misunderstand and then misconstrue. What you cited is not a Rosa Koire “assumption”, but simply relating from the GOALS in the Agenda21 Rio publication. Please give us another one.
    “what towns have been demolished?” is then a question ranging somewhere between snarky and lame. But looking at how certain towns (e.g. Petaluma, Santa Rosa) have already redeveloped certain sections to conform with A21 goals is a bit scary (at least to me). These are neighborhoods with the obligatory apartments above commercial space on narrow streets with broad sidewalks – and they remain eerily empty. So clearly there must be some more ‘nudging’ by the state before people begin to appreciate what those clever central planners are doing for them.

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  15. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    What fascinates me about liberals is they are usually very patient in accomplishing their goals. One needs only look at the homosexual activists and our own liberal California legislature. PaulE seems to think it has to be a town destroyed by bulldozers I guess, and right away, before he would even consider the tenets of A21.
    Well, one only need to look at any “General Plan” and implementing zoning ordinances of any jurisdiction to see the tentacles of the agenda (George Orwell would recognize the wordsmithing). I compare the placement of like minded people in the landuse arena with “journalists”. They are all trained by the same people and with the same philosophy. Then they spread out to all jurisdictions and infect them, just like a virus. Over time they will have polluted all the little minds of mush and then we will have a 100% nation of morons instead of just 50% as we see now with the democrat party and people like BenE and Frisch.
    I would like to see Frisch ripped to shreds in a debate by that woman. I heard her a few times on SF radio stations and she is very good. He would not stand a chance.

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  16. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Re: [25may13 update] by George Rebane (and by extension Todd)
    Rather than fueling speculation why don’t we allow Ms. Korie and appropriate time to respond, and us appropriate time to consider format, venue and timing, should she consider such an event. As you said George, the purpose should be to provide more light than heat and speculative discussion about the ‘event’ itself merely serves to risk relegating us to hot darkness.
    Of course that should in no way impede dear readers from engaging in debate over the broader topic of ramifications or irrelevance of A21 itself here.

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  17. George Rebane Avatar

    SteveF 1224pm – Agreed. The only purpose for speculating in my update was to promote interest in what I hope would be a respectful and informative debate (or even a discussion). Nuff said.

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  18. Paul Emery Avatar

    RE George 11:42
    “what towns have been demolished?” is then a question ranging somewhere between snarky and lame.
    Not true George. It’s a direct followup to her statement about what will happen in her view. Not much controversy there.
    http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/
    If you cannot in a reasonable debate ask for examples of opinions then what can you talk about?
    George
    Here’s another gem from Ms Korie
    “Slowly, people will not be able to afford single family homes. Will not be able to afford private cars. Will be more dependent. More restricted. More easily watched and monitored.”
    Who will be watching and monitoring and for what purpose?

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  19. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 146pm – What you differentiate is what the A21 report says and her citing of it. They are the same, and her citations are therefore not assumptions. If I am holding a picture of a P-51, and say that the picture contains an image of a P-51, most reasonable people will not ascribe my citation of the picture’s content as my “assumption”.
    The “gem” you point out is just another example of the same. The price of detached single family homes on suburban sized lots is going up, especially wrt metrics like the median wage. Also the ability to do what you want inside or outside of such homes is being diminished by regulation. The net effect is that this is constructively removing access to and ownership of such homes by the general public. And such examples can be given for all manner of conveniences and personal assets that run counter to A21 objectives. These are not assumptions, they are happening around us and have been doing so for some time now. Only the most dedicated progressives will tighten their blindfolds so as not to see this, and that’s what keeps it going.
    Would all this be happening without the A21 document? – probably to one extent or another. After all, the progressives penchant for central planning and control predated A21 by some decades. But today we can refer to A21 as the international bible that defines objectives for a controlled (therefore heavily monitored) population, and a document that gives structure to the achievement of these objectives, especially through the activities of the thousands of its worldwide ICLEIs.

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  20. Gregory Avatar

    Ryan (2:04PM yesterday), yes, Paul was trotting out the old argumentum ad populum to intimate it had meaning, though he was smart enough to not say that directly.
    Despite having an Elvis number of 2, I’ll make the claim that the 5E7 Elvis fans weren’t right but can be forgiven considering his competition at the time. Personally, I prefer Jerry Garcia’s singing and guitar playing to Presley’s, and the best answer for the best vocalist of the 20th century that I’ve ever heard justified is Louis Armstrong. When he sang happy you’d be happy, and when he sang sad you’d be sad; for a vocalist, it doesn’t get better than that.
    I’ve “Change of Habit”, not one of Elvis’ best movies, on the TV right now, courtesy of a STARZ pay-tv Elvis minimarathon. At the moment he (playing an MD) and Mary Tyler Moore (an RN and a nun) have cured an autistic girl with a couple hours of mild psychological torture, setting medicine back a couple decades.

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  21. Gregory Avatar

    To all the Agenda21 arguees, the Agenda21/sustainability basis is the global warming scare that the IPCC was formed (a couple decades ago) to combat, see how bad it would be, and to get reparations paid by the first world to the third world for being the first ones to get to use it.
    Both the theory and the weather supporting it are falling apart. We’re no longer in a natural warming period and indications that we really are in the beginning of a cold phase will make it harder and harder to beat the bushes to scare little kids and the likes of Steven Frisch. Once AGW is discredited, “Agenda21” should fold. The petrochemical age is not ending this century, and there’s no reason to think the only tipping point worth paying attention to is when an alternative energy generation technology gets so cost effective that market forces start allowing us to not burn fossil fuels. Personally, I still hope a deuterium fusion is in our future but even that would run out eventually.

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  22. Gregory Avatar

    Oooops, that sentence should have read,”and there IS reason to think the only tipping point worth paying attention to is when an alternative energy generation technology gets so cost effective that market forces start allowing us to not burn fossil fuels.”
    Make reasonable regulations regarding pollutants the use of fossil fuels emit, and no, carbon dioxide isn’t a pollutant.
    My favorite CARBON DIOXIDE story: As a freshman on my way to a BS Physics, I was caught by an interesting demonstration and claim by an exhibit hanging on one of my prof’s office door. A clear cylinder, maybe 2″ by 12″, made of some polymer, was mounted above the words CARBON (in blue) and DIOXIDE (in red) with text explaining that the material in question had different optical qualities for red and blue light. Sure enough, CARBON was inverted but DIOXIDE was not. This door was across from the Physics lounge which had a number of seniors, physics majors all, hanging out and drinking coffee, watching me.
    The claim that the optics would be so different as to have that effect didn’t make sense so I took a piece of paper and slipped it in from the bottom, between the text and the clear rod, revealing where the bull came from… of course both were inverted, but DIOXIDE in caps in that particular font was perfectly symmetric about the horizontal centerline thus making it appear it wasn’t being inverted.
    Dr Cooper was a great practical joker.
    I uttered something of an “aha!” and got a round of applause from my youthful elders; they were apparently hanging around to snicker at the more gullible frosh who were taking it seriously and coming back repeatedly to take measurements to try to figure out the magic.
    As chemist J.Arthur Campbell used to say, “One clean experiment is worth a thousand dirty equations.”

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  23. Paul Emery Avatar

    Gregory
    You’re back on comfortable ground Gregory (AGW). Perhaps towns needing to be demolished and bike groups are being used as ‘shock troops’ is too much for you

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  24. Gregory Avatar

    Paul, I’ve written that here about Agenda 21 in the past; the impetus goes away when AGW does.
    There’s no need to give such power to central planners if the world’s fate doesn’t depend on CO2, and it doesn’t. The moral authority to push the world to small and cold goes away when no one who needs votes can push AGW with a straight face; it’s already a staple for late night comedians.
    Funny how the alarmists at the top, the Gores and the James Camerons of the world, never gave up their Gulfstreams. Power to the correct people!

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  25. George Rebane Avatar

    To all that I am reminded of something I scribbled almost four years ago.
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2009/11/placing-my-lance.html

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  26. Russ Steele Avatar

    [I have decided to also add this extensive comment by Russ Steele as an update to the body of my post. gjr]
    Nevada County’s initial brush with Agenda 21 was the NH2020 initiative that was managed by Sierra Business Council under the guidance of Izzy Martin, then the BOS Chair and charter member of the Gang Four that were promoting sustainable development, which was eventually written in to the County land use plans and regulations. Not with an Agenda 21 sub title, but with the full intent of implementing sustainable development. And, we are living with the economic results today.
    Sustainable Development entered the world officially in 1987 in a report of the United Nations Commission on Environment and Development entitled, “Our Common Future”. This commission was chaired by Gro Harlem Brundtland, Prime minister of Norway and Vice-President of the World Socialist Party.
    The theme of this report was “meeting today’s need’s without compromising future generations to meet their own needs”. If one is to look, this mission statement has been incorporated into many government and non-government organizations. You will find this them embedded in their mission also, but it will be called “community planning”, “comprehensive planning”, “growth management planning”, or “smart growth”. I am sure your have heard those words tossed around in public meeting in Nevada County.
    Community planning, it is based on the creation of councils called “visioning councils”. These councils are manipulated in such a way as to arrive at a pre-determined outcome. The professional facilitators of the meeting work hard to make sure all those involved are easily swayed into being agreeable. The process utilizes group manipulation tactics. Most people fear the thought of looking foolish in front of others and tend to keep quiet.
    I went to the Sierra Business Council Leadership Training program, where we were taught how to control the out come of public meetings. How to insure the group eventually agreed with the per-determined out come. Out comes which could be reported in the press, presented at Supervisor and City Council Meetings as the will of the community. We learned how to handle vocal opposition, those unwilling to go along with the pre-determined vision by using mockery to shut them up, or get them to not return to future visioning sessions.
    Sacramento Region went through this visioning process and developed a “Blue Print” for the region, including surround counties of Yuba, Sutter, Yolo, Sacramento, and Placer County. Nevada and El Dorado County were excluded from the “Blue Print” region. Maybe because of the strong conservative forces in these counties, that would see through the visioning process and the predetermined outcomes.
    Your can see the Full Preferred Blue Print here — http://www.sacregionblueprint.org/
    The Sac Metro Transportation Blue Print for Sustainable Community is here — http://www.sacog.org/2035/
    When your look at this Blue Print for Sustainable Community it is clear the goal is to reduce vehicle miles traveled (VMT) by building transit centric communities, with walking paths, bike trails and golf cart paths linking to transit facilities, business and shopping centers. This goes back to Greg’s point about AGW. The reason for reducing VMT is to reduce CO2 emissions.
    We were fortunate to have beat down NH2020, but it will come back in other forms. Remember that when you are invited to a community vision meeting. You will be being lead down a predetermined path to sustainability under the influence of Agenda 21. No one will mention Agenda 21, only the buzz words of sustainable development.
    What can you do? Ask your Supervisor/City Council Person if he or she has attended the SBC Leadership Training Program. Ask if they have attended the ICLEI (International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives) training seminars, if they have funded Staff to attend the SBC Training or ICLEI Training? Do the same at your City Council Meeting.
    And, last but not least, go to the vision meetings with a clear understanding what they are up to and make your voices heard, there is no place for Agenda 21 in Nevada County. We did it for NH2020 and we can do it again!

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  27. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Let me ask you guys this, what is wrong with “sustainable” development? I would call it responsible development but that is just me.

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  28. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    As everyone might have noticed I don’t chime in on Agenda 21 because I don’t know jack about it. Yet somehow I talk about it in code words all the time. I think the opposition might be reading way too much into this idea and its implementation. If it is true that we are being force fed stuff decided by the UN on how we need to set up our communities, I am against it. If it is implemented at the local level due to our local elected officials isn’t that what we want local control of our policies?

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  29. Paul Emery Avatar

    So Russ what is your vision of regional planning of highways for example?

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  30. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 747am – There is nothing intrinsically wrong with sustainable development per se. Unfortunately people minimally informed think of ‘sustainable development’ as coming only in the A21 fulfilling form and formats as proposed by our progressive cadres. Sustainable development can be beneficially adopted in many forms and levels of cost. Since everything ‘sustainable’ has been co-opted as a propagandized battle cry by the Left, opposition to their version is then attacked as opposition to all forms of sustainable development – i.e. it’s their way or the highway.
    As a technician and great/grand/parent I am in strong support of sustainable development, but not as envisioned by the A21 crowd.

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    JeeZ George, have we been saying the same thing all along…..? My key point is that A21 is actually irrelevant….it is a non-entity. I am not a supporter of sustainable development because of A21….I am a supporter of it because it makes sense….and was a supporter of it long before anyone even knew what the hell A21 was. No one gives a damn about some completely un-enforceable UN guidance document done more than 20 years ago. People are simply elevating its profile as a means of attacking the idea that we need to do better planning and they perceive that as a threat to their individual interests. It is a propaganda ploy, not a real issue.
    The history of regional planning, changing development patterns, and zoning in the US goes back to the rise of cities….which was a fundamentally economic trend…..nothing to do with the UN. It seems like what you are opposing is the PEOPLE who support sustainable development today rather than the idea itself.
    I will get to Russ’s ridiculous statements later today….

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    Michael Anderson

    George wrote, “As a technician and great/grand/parent I am in strong support of sustainable development, but not as envisioned by the A21 crowd.”
    How will we know who’s a member of the A21 crowd and who’s not?

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    Steve Frisch

    Anyone whose motivations they question is part of the A21 crowd, anyone whose projects they support are ‘wealth creators’.

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    MichaelA 931am – “… a member of the A21 crowd …”?? As explained in painstaking detail on RR (also reinforced by Rosa Koire), you don’t have to be a button-wearing, card-carrying, banner-waving A21 promoter to support various local initiatives that conform to the tenets of A21. I had no idea that this concept had such limited accessibility (perhaps I should email Ms Koire with a heads up).
    And SteveF (952am) seems to suffer from a variant of this same malady (here I’m discounting the comment’s snark which also has explanatory power). The motivations of “the A21 crowd” have never been impugned. These are sincere albeit terribly misguided people doing what they think is good for Man and Gaia. And yes, here on RR we do support those who create society’s wealth, for without ample amounts of discretionary wealth, humanitarian efforts grind to a halt.
    And as to SteveF’s 859am, that has all been acknowledged and fully discussed on these pages. Of course A21 has a large propaganda element as it gathered together an existing and multifarious progressive agenda. But the propaganda element was intended by the UN and its international progressive cohorts when they assembled and promoted the Rio document. And the “people (who) are simply elevating” A21 are the same ones who have established and are vigorously operating the global network of ICLEIs. That does not seem to bother you or your progressive brethren. It is only when this is pointed out by people like me that all of you get your dander up.
    Your silliness is compounded by the frequent return to the notion of ‘unenforceable A21 provisions’. None of A21’s provisions are enforced under that banner, nor do they need to be. They are promulgated and enforced locally by the local government guns with no reference to A21 as an overarching motivation. But I think that notion for you has been and continues to be a bridge too far.

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    Steve Frisch

    I think you missed the point George…when a friend of your builds a green building or places a solar panel on their roof, are the dupes of the UN, or are they prudent investors in energy efficiency?….the difference seems to be whether you like them or not.
    To say the motivations of the A21 crown have never been impugned is demonstrable false on these very pages. You have openly supported the claim that they are pushing a socialist agenda and that their goal is to diminish individual rights.

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    SteveF 1055am – Once more for the slow/recalcitrant student. My identifying someone as pushing a socialist agenda is not impugning their motives. I have never met a socialist who does not want all things sweetness and light for humanity, their motives are as pure as the fresh driven snow. It is their inability to see the inevitable aftermath of their agenda that I point out and oppose. And I also oppose the underhanded methods used to achieve their goals (an orthogonal notion).
    But then, as this record shows, I do that also for the Republicans who promote crony capitalism and efforts to elevate corporations to sovereign nation-state peerage on the global scene. And most certainly I oppose the Repubs’ folding on principles as they bargain to pass progressive legislation in order to get some favor returned. But again, that’s another bridge too far.

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    In the ’26may13 update2′ I post Ms Koire’s response to SteveF’s proposal to debate. Unfortunately it looks like we’re going to miss out on what would have been a most informative exchange.

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  38. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    WTF, why is my whole message not being posted?

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    SteveF 1155am – what message?

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    Steve Frisch

    Sent to Ms. Koire at 10:30 am May 25th:
    Dear Ms. Koire:
    My name is Steve Frisch. I’m the President of the Sierra Business Council, based in Truckee California. We have exchanged comments via social media in the past but never met.
    I would be interested in meeting and having a discussion re: our understandings of A21 and how it is (or is not) embedded in our planning processes and culture. I would be happy to spring for lunch when I am in the Bay area sometime in the next few weeks.
    A friend told [me] that you referenced our organization as an implementer of Agenda 21 at your recent presentation hosted by CABPRO in Grass Valley. I regret that I was unable to attend however I’m getting a copy of the tape so I can see the specific context of the comments.
    I’m wondering if you might be interested in a direct public discussion of the issue in a more formal debate format? Something like the Chomsky/Buckley or the Leary/Liddy debates, perhaps hosted by the local public radio station KVMR.
    You are raising some interesting issues and I believe that if we held a discussion publicly we might help shed some light on these issues.
    Thanks for your time and consideration.
    Steve Frisch
    Response from Ms. Koire at 9:30 PM May 25th
    Hi Steve,
    It’s too bad that you weren’t able to attend my very well-advertised speech or call in to either of the local radio call-in shows that I did in advance. You could have had your public exchange at that time. I have moved on to another state now and am fully booked into 2014. Unfortunately, there isn’t enough time for me to return to towns and cities that I’ve covered.
    There is nothing to debate. The truth and the proof is in the paper trail that includes not only the United Nations reports and conferences, but also the legislative history of our country and the well-documented activities of the UN organizations, Non-Governmental Organizations and associations and councils such as your own.
    Rosa Koire, ASA
    Executive Director
    Post Sustainability Institute
    Response from me at 9:30 this morning”
    Dear Ms. Koire:
    I regret that you decided to decline my offer. I truly think that a rational, sourced, fact based debate would be in the public interest, and could shed some light on a topic that you have contributed to elevating nationally.
    I also regret that I couldn’t attend the CABPRO event, which was only ‘well advertised’ in a small area in a like minded crowd within two weeks of the event. My schedule is not as busy as yours, with apparently every day for the next year booked, but I had a previous engagement. Although, as I said, I understand my organization was specifically mentioned in detail, which means you clearly did research in advance, thus if you had sought a rational discussion you could have simply called and invited me.
    If you are ever interested in a real debate, with sources, facts, and impartial moderation, the offer is open and heartfelt. I am sure mutually agreeable terms could be reached. Our local public radio station (KVMR) stands ready to broadcast over a broad region of northern California, from the Sac metro region to Lake Tahoe and points north to Redding.
    In the mean time I wish you luck and prosperity on your clearly busy speaking schedule to similar groups.
    Sincerely,
    Steve Frisch

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    Steve Frisch

    OK, it looks like after trying since early this morning the entire thing is finally up there. George how could you have a copy of Ms. Koire’s response to me to update your main post, but not have the rest?

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    Steve Frisch

    I think we can see pretty clearly now how Ms. Koire operates. She is perfectly happy to point a finger at someone in front of a friendly self selected audience, but give her an opportunity to openly debate these issues in a fair format, with a requirement that actual sourced information be presented, and she will defer.
    To the best of my ability researching her speaking appearance patterns she presents almost only to friendly audiences sponsored by like minded groups. She has done a few interviews with unfriendly media, but only under rigidly controlled conditions.
    By the way, note the conciliatory tone of my initial message and the tone of the reply.

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    SteveF 1208pm – I posted what she sent me which did not include your email to her. Thanks for posting your invitation.

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    Michael Anderson

    George wrote: “That does not seem to bother you or your progressive brethren. It is only when this is pointed out by people like me that all of you get your dander up.”
    The point that Steve and I are trying to make (with so far a 100% failure rate) is that the hypothetical person in local gov’t you label as a socialist has been determined so only by you.
    I look at plans for sustainable development and economic strategy as objectively as I possibly can, without bias as regards to who is doing the presenting, and then support or oppose them based upon the context and content of the plans.
    The first time I ever heard about Agenda21 is here on this blog. So I read it, and as far as I can tell it has 0% quid pro quo to what we are doing in Nevada County to build our local economy and make this a more sustainable place to live.
    Let’s stop talking about NH2020, we’re beating a dead horse. Which plans are in the hopper today that are “getting your dander up” to such an extent that you feel the need to beat them with your Agenda21 cudgel?

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    Steve Frisch

    Oh, I get it, you are in a separate conversation with her….no problem. I wonder why she sent you her response but not my original offer or response? Kind of odd isn’t it?

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    Steve Frisch

    George Rebane | 26 May 2013 at 08:47 AM
    “There is nothing intrinsically wrong with sustainable development per se. Unfortunately people minimally informed think of ‘sustainable development’ as coming only in the A21 fulfilling form and formats as proposed by our progressive cadres. Sustainable development can be beneficially adopted in many forms and levels of cost. Since everything ‘sustainable’ has been co-opted as a propagandized battle cry by the Left, opposition to their version is then attacked as opposition to all forms of sustainable development – i.e. it’s their way or the highway.
    As a technician and great/grand/parent I am in strong support of sustainable development, but not as envisioned by the A21 crowd.”
    I find this post fascinating. George is saying he supports sustainable development, adopting what he previously claimed was the language of A21, a language that if anyone else uses marks them as agents of the UN, but used by him is perfectly acceptable. Why is this language acceptable to George but suspect in others, those he marks as part of the “A21 crowd”?
    This gets right to the crux of my argument.
    A21 is actually irrelevant. It has no force of law. Decisions we make in our local communities about what amenities or services we want are local decisions, made under American law, starting at the building code and zoning level, and going all the way up, eventually, to the Supreme Courts interpretation of the Constitution.
    In some cases we may plan at a larger regional scale, for example for infrastructure like sewer and highway planning, because it is determined by each jurisdiction that it is to their advantage to do so, either because it lowers cost, increases efficiency, or increases likelihood of access to regionally available funding. As Russ pointed out above, no one is forced to engage in regional planning in California, as evidenced by the fact that El Dorado and Nevada County are not part of the SACOG process. Neither are they entitled to the benefits of planning at the regional level if they choose not to participate.
    In essence what George and his followers here are doing is selectively choosing WHICH efforts are legitimate local initiatives and which are agents of the UN. That is where the ‘conspiracy theory’ aspect of position comes in. People who advocate for a horse trail, or improved travel management plans on national forests to increase OHV use, or band together to solve Lake Wildwood’s sewer problem, may be perfectly legitimate, but those using private market mechanisms to purchase conservation easements, or increase bike lanes, or implement energy efficiency programs, are dupes. And some os us, like me and my organization, are pegged as intentional implementers of a UN program, with an end game desire to reduce individual rights and liberties. This is where the assigning motivation to people’s work part plays in.
    I am not motivated to work for agricultural land conservation because of A21; I am because I think we need to secure a safe local supply of food, and to do that we need to protect a supply of land that can produce that food, and one mechanism to do that is providing land owners with market based payments for their development rights. These are rights that are entirely within their bundle of property rights, and they have every right to sever and sell. At the same time I might work to increase markets for locally produced agriculture, or help private agricultural landowners diversify their revenue stream by engaging in agri-tourism, or try to reduce their operating costs by doing energy conservation projects, all of which we engage in.
    For George to say that my motivation in doing that is the imposition of a UN mandate is ludicrous, because it implies he knows presciently what my motivation is. Would he have the same critique of motivation of Gary Tintle wanting to re-use the Alpha Building, or SPI engaging in the conservation market (where they have sold thousands of acres of forest land for conservation in Nevada County in the last 10 years), or the Contractors Association in Truckee where they help implement low income energy programs?
    As I have stated here so many times that I am now feeling like a broken record, people’s desires for housing close to work, or trails, or bike lanes, or public transit, or regionalizing sewer systems, or not living next to the hog farm, or even protecting species and habitat, has nothing to do with A21, pre-dated A21, and has everything to do with millions of citizens acting through a democratic society in what they perceive to be their own self interest.
    What George is really objecting to is that he does not like the decisions those people are making because he does not believe they align with his interests, and there is nothing wrong with that. More power to you George (and by extension Ms. Koire), that is your right; if you want to say some sustainable development is good and some is bad, and that you have the prescient ability to determine between the two, you go right ahead. But remember, you live in a society, and right now this entire A21 thing looks like nothing but a bunch of spoiled children stomping their feet and saying no because they can’t get their way.

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    Steve
    There’s an old saying that there’s nothing better for religion than a good healthy devil, in this case Agenda 21.

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    Steve Frisch

    By the way Paul, this is what I have previously called the “baby state”, as opposed to the nanny state. In the baby state when people don’t get their way they use every ploy, trick, propaganda method, and stalling, delaying or demonizing tactic to get their way. It is like dealing with children, which is probably why I never had kids!

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    SteveF 116pm – I do think that we continue to talk past each other. You have not understood a single thing that I have said about A21.
    As amazing as it may sound, like MichaelA, I too evaluate proposed land use, development, and environmental policies based on their merits and not on whether they conform to A21 or that they may have been first proposed by some collectivists. After all, there is an overlap in our objectives, and even in some of our means.
    I believe what you attribute to me in your 116pm is intended to achieve another objective. And I do also believe that what you have written confirms and solidifies your objectives as I (and perhaps others) understand them. Perhaps that is a contribution after all.

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