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More than two out of three Americans think that “government is out of control and threatening our basic liberties.”  Fox News poll reported on 21 May 2013.

George Rebane

RosaK21may13Last night we attended the Agenda21 talk at the Grass Valley Veterans Center given by anti-Agenda21 activist and author Rosa Koire.  Her talk was sponsored by our local CABPRO and was attended by about two hundred people who arrived from places as far as Reno and the bay area.  Ms Koire is a self-described liberal Democrat and ‘married’ lesbian who also happens to be an excellent and animated speaker, especially about Agenda21, a topic about which she is very well informed and quite passionate.  (We also bought her recent book Behind the Green Mask: UN Agenda 21.)

RR readers are familiar with my Agenda21 views, they are a matter of record and available in the ‘Agenda21’ section of this website.  Ms Koire emphasized that Agenda21 is a non-partisan issue. She went on to summarize the UN’s Agenda21 Sustainable Development initiative as “the action plan to inventory and control all land, all water, all minerals, all plants, all animals, all construction, all means of production, all information, all energy, and all human beings in the world. INVENTORY AND CONTROL”

In short, Agenda21 (first formulated in 1987) is the blueprint for the stage-wise achievement of a unified global government that rules the world within one standardized set of laws, regulations, and codes that will spread social justice uniformly over all lands and peoples.  The project is not a conspiracy or some ‘tin hat’ mythology, but an open initiative that in 1992 was signed on to by 179 world leaders that included President George HW Bush.

The fundamental thesis underlying this plan is that humanity’s current mode of living on the planet – lifestyles, modes of commerce, capitalism, property ownership, energy consumption, regions of habitation, etc – are unsustainable and must be drastically altered during the 21st century.


Agenda21 gained traction in the US under President Clinton who created the President’s Council on Sustainable Development “for the sole purpose of getting it into every city, county, and state in the US through federal rules, regulations, and grants.  This is a global plan but it is implemented locally.”  And that is the most important part, Agenda21 is not designed to advance under one global banner or initiative.  Instead, it is to progress bit by piece through local actions under easily marketable notions like ‘sustainability’ and ‘smart growth’ that are being written into local general plans, zonings, building codes, land use directives, etc across the country.

With such distributed and incremental local initiatives the goals of Agenda21 continue to be advanced without ever having to proclaim the end objective.  This makes it almost impossible for local elected officials and planning commissions to connect the dots.  Anyone appearing before such bodies to oppose the next property use denying or development inhibiting ordnance or code by pointing out how that would advance Agenda21 is simply dismissed as a ‘conspiracy theorist’ or right wingnut, with the local Left cheering on the electeds in their demonstrated wisdom and keen insight. 

(Nevada County is a poster child for witnessing the advance of Agenda21 exactly through such mechanisms.  Here our BoS not only cannot connect the dots, they don’t even see any dots to connect.  Their current alternative is to spend $500K and release a newly commissioned platoon of code enforcers to harass county residents for code violations in the attempt to collect fines and fees to make up for a lagging tax base and looming unfunded pension liabilities.)

The intent of this post is not to present a comprehensive review of Agenda21, that is available in its entirety as Agenda 21: Earth Summit: The United Nations Programme of Action from Rio.  Here you will read how humans will be reconfigured to live and work in smartly stacked and packed communities, individual 24/7 monitoring, restricted to travel on public (state controlled) transportation through narrow corridors, and inhibited from even setting foot in “wildlands” which will cover the overwhelming proportion of the earth’s land areas.  All of this will be managed by new regional governments – replacing current local governments – that will uniformly execute centrally planned provisions under the overall control of a global government.  A term of art for this configuration of governance is ‘communitarianism’, which in its target embodiment pretty well subsumes everything that Karl Marx envisioned for us.

The talk lasted about ninety minutes and was followed by a Q&A period during which Jo Ann and I took our leave.  When getting into regional details Ms Koire pointed out a slew of NorCal organizations that follow The Local Agenda 21 Planning Guide from ICLEI (International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives).  ICLEI is the UN’s boots-on-the-ground organizational framework that manages thousands of local ICLEI chapters worldwide.  There are over 500 of them in the US with California (where else?) claiming 100 of those.  Some typical names of local organizations which actually get into the implementation phase of Agenda 21 are ‘Vision 2035’, ‘Your Town 2025’, ‘One Bay Area’, ‘Plan NY’, … .

Closer to home, Ms Koire pointed to the Sierra Business Council (headquartered in Truckee) under the leadership of Mr Steven Frisch (RR reader and commenter) as the leading promulgator of Agenda21 provisions in the Sierra.  There are, of course, many more fine sounding organizations in these parts who are all concerned with smart growth, the environment, sustainable development, land trusts, etc and whose common denominator is to constructively remove the benefits of ownership by incrementally reducing the property rights of their current owners.

Ms Koire pointed out that in the Third Reich the Nazis did not bother to confiscate any lands or production capabilities from their original owners.  Their approach was much simpler – they just told the owners exactly what they must do with and on their land, what things in what quantities would be produced in the factories, and what goods would be sold in which shops.  Unfortunately, Agenda21 calls for a more draconian approach to the disposition of private property.

[25may13 update]  Mr
Steven Frisch, CEO of the Sierra Business Council, has offered to debate Ms
Rosa Koire.  The proposal was aired in
the comment stream below (cf. 25
May 2013 at 08:59 AM
below).  Another
reader and KVMR’s news director, Mr Paul Emery has offered to carry the debate
live on radio.  All good and well.  My own growing curiosity about the debate
offer is what will be the contending notions that warrant a debate.  Will they involve the reality of the A21’s
Rio proposals, the fact that so many countries have signed up, that ICLEIs have
been established to promote the A21 objectives (including training local
activists and sympathetic community leaders on how to make the most progress), …,
or??  Perhaps Mr Frisch will take the
position that the whole Agenda 21 thing is simply another rightwing “rural myth”
or a chimera to oppose the progressive agenda which has nothing to do with
Agenda 21.

Then there’s the viewpoint taken by Mr Emery that Ms
Koire is simply going around the country spraying audiences with her debatable “assumptions”.  And that these need to be appropriately
countered to clear the air once and for all. 
I don’t know, but it sure would be an interesting encounter that should
provide more light than heat.  Should Ms
Koire accept and come back to Nevada County, Jo Ann and I would even invite her
to stay with us to minimize the cost of her visit.

[26may13 update]  The following comment as posted below by Russ Steele is substantial and important contribution to the topic of this post.  I have decided to include it as an update so that it becomes more visible part of the subject matter.

Nevada
County’s initial brush with Agenda 21 was the NH2020 initiative that
was managed by Sierra Business Council under the guidance of Izzy
Martin, then the BOS Chair and charter member of the Gang Four that were
promoting sustainable development, which was eventually written in to
the County land use plans and regulations. Not with an Agenda 21 sub
title, but with the full intent of implementing sustainable development.
And, we are living with the economic results today.

Sustainable Development entered the world officially in 1987 in a
report of the United Nations Commission on Environment and Development
entitled, “Our Common Future”. This commission was chaired by Gro Harlem
Brundtland, Prime minister of Norway and Vice-President of the World
Socialist Party.

The theme of this report was “meeting today’s need’s without
compromising future generations to meet their own needs”. If one is to
look, this mission statement has been incorporated into many government
and non-government organizations. You will find this them embedded in
their mission also, but it will be called “community planning”,
“comprehensive planning”, “growth management planning”, or “smart
growth”. I am sure your have heard those words tossed around in public
meeting in Nevada County.

Community planning, it is based on the creation of councils called
“visioning councils”. These councils are manipulated in such a way as to
arrive at a pre-determined outcome. The professional facilitators of
the meeting work hard to make sure all those involved are easily swayed
into being agreeable. The process utilizes group manipulation tactics.
Most people fear the thought of looking foolish in front of others and
tend to keep quiet.

I went to the Sierra Business Council Leadership Training program,
where we were taught how to control the out come of public meetings. How
to insure the group eventually agreed with the per-determined out come.
Out comes which could be reported in the press, presented at Supervisor
and City Council Meetings as the will of the community. We learned how
to handle vocal opposition, those unwilling to go along with the
pre-determined vision by using mockery to shut them up, or get them to
not return to future visioning sessions.

Sacramento Region went through this visioning process and developed a
“Blue Print” for the region, including surround counties of Yuba,
Sutter, Yolo, Sacramento, and Placer County. Nevada and El Dorado
County were excluded from the “Blue Print” region. Maybe because of the
strong conservative forces in these counties, that would see through the
visioning process and the predetermined outcomes.

Your can see the Full Preferred Blue Print here — http://www.sacregionblueprint.org/

The Sac Metro Transportation Blue Print for Sustainable Community is here — http://www.sacog.org/2035/

When your look at this Blue Print for Sustainable Community it is
clear the goal is to reduce vehicle miles traveled (VMT) by building
transit centric communities, with walking paths, bike trails and golf
cart paths linking to transit facilities, business and shopping centers.
This goes back to Greg’s point about AGW. The reason for reducing VMT
is to reduce CO2 emissions.

We were fortunate to have beat down NH2020, but it will come back in
other forms. Remember that when you are invited to a community vision
meeting. You will be being lead down a predetermined path to
sustainability under the influence of Agenda 21. No one will mention
Agenda 21, only the buzz words of sustainable development.

What can you do? Ask your Supervisor/City Council Person if he or she
has attended the SBC Leadership Training Program. Ask if they have
attended the ICLEI (International Council for Local Environmental
Initiatives) training seminars, if they have funded Staff to attend the
SBC Training or ICLEI Training? Do the same at your City Council
Meeting.

And, last but not least, go to the vision meetings with a clear
understanding what they are up to and make your voices heard, there is
no place for Agenda 21 in Nevada County. We did it for NH2020 and we
can do it again!


Posted by:
Russ Steele |
25 May 2013 at 10:05 PM

[26may13 update2]  As Mr Frisch reported in this post’s comment stream, he did contact Ms Koire with his debate proposal.  Ms Koire emailed me her reply to Mr Frisch which I post here with her permission.

Hi
Steve,

It’s
too bad that you weren’t able to attend my very well-advertised speech or call
in to either of the local radio call-in shows that I did in advance.  You
could have had your public exchange at that time.  I have moved on to
another state now and am fully booked into 2014.  Unfortunately, there
isn’t enough time for me to return to towns and cities that I’ve covered. 

There
is nothing to debate.  The truth and the proof is in the paper trail that
includes not only the United Nations reports and conferences, but
also the legislative history of our country and the
well-documented activities of the UN organizations, Non-Governmental
Organizations and associations and councils such as your own.

Rosa
Koire, ASA


Executive Director


Post Sustainability Institute


PostSustainabilityInstitute.org


DemocratsAgainstUNAgenda21.com


SantaRosaNeighborhoodCoalition.com

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161 responses to “Agenda21 – The Beat Grows Stronger (updated 26may13)”

  1. Dai Meagher Avatar
    Dai Meagher

    I found Rosa Koire’s presentation very educational. I recognized people from all persuasions in the audience and observed that with only a few exceptions, she received a standing ovation at the end. Her personal background helped to remind the audience that this is truly a non-partisan issue that affects us all–especially here in Nevada County.
    -Dai Meagher

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  2. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Can’t say you haven’t warned us repeatedly, Dr. Rebane. Guess that makes you a conspiratorial fear monger who wants nothing more than to poison your neighbor’s well and pave Paradise. And a hate monger to boot.
    Since you oppose the grandiose plans of mice and men, that makes you part of the Great Right Wingnut Conspiracy. Bet you are clinging to your guns and Bible as you read this and have a Don’t Tread On Me flag hidden in your closet.
    The first question I have has to do with that antiquated pesky thing called the US Constitution, where personal rights supersede the State. A foreign notion of by-gone years I know. What are they going to do with the Constitution under the guise of “local control”?
    The second question is “who will be the boss of me?” I hope it is not some blue helmeted dudes from the UN who have diplomatic immunity while raping locals at will and remaining on payroll. They are like watching monkeys trying to hump a football.

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  3. Russ Steele Avatar

    One of the major implementors of Agenda 21 in Nevada County is the US Forest Service. Just download some of the National Forest Management Plans, and put them on the table with a copy of the Agenda 21 and your can see the parallels. Our local Forester are required to write regional plan that parrot the National Plans. You can down load the plans on the Internet and then use a copy of Adobe Reader to search the plans for key works. Word that you have extracted from Agenda 21 and your will be shocked.
    One of the tools they are using as justification for closing forest tracks are climate change stressors:
    The new planning rule must be responsive to the challenges of climate change; the need for forest restoration and conservation, watershed protection, and wildlife conservation; and the need for the sustainable provision of benefits, services, resources, and uses of NFS lands, including ecosystem services and sustainable recreation.
    National Forest System Land Management Planning
    AGENCY: Forest Service, USDA.

    Where is the climate change? No warming in 16 years.
    There was an internal U.S. Forest Service report circulating on how climate change is effecting the Tahoe National Forest and the neighboring El Dorado National Forest: A summary of current trends and probable future trends in climate and climate-driven processes in the Eldorado and Tahoe National Forests and the neighboring Sierra Nevada. This report was written by Chris Mallek, Department of Plant Sciences; University of California-Davis and  Hugh Safford, Regional Ecologist, USDA Forest Service, Pacific Southwest Region.
    I have been unable to replicate the results of this study, there is no climate change or global warming the Tahoe and El Dorado National forest once you examine the details of this study. My analysis is here:
    http://ncwatch.typepad.com/media/2011/01/nevada-citys-impact-on-global-warming-in-the-tahoe-national-forest.html
    http://ncwatch.typepad.com/media/2011/02/placervilles-impact-on-global-warming-in-the-el-dorado-national-forest.html
    http://ncwatch.typepad.com/media/2011/02/truckees-impact-on-global-warming-in-the-tahoe-national-forest.html
    http://ncwatch.typepad.com/media/2011/02/hunt-for-the-truckee-weather-station.html
    Please show me where the climate change is that is stressing our National Forest. Show me the data. This wimpy internal report has no valid standing. Valid science relies on replication. This report could not be replicated, thus it is not valid.
    I pointed this out to the study authors, and they just shrugged and published the junk science. Junk science that will be used as justification for implementing Agenda 21.

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  4. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    Texas is one of the few places in the world that allows the burning of high sulphur coal for electrical power generation. As a result, Texas has some of the nastiest air pollution around. When George W. Bush was Governor, he instituted voluntary emissions control standards. Of the over one hundred dirtiest power plants, only four voluntarily spent the millions of dollars to clean up their exhaust. Agenda 21 is voluntary and non-binding. None of the economic super powers who generate most of the world’s pollution are going to voluntarily do squat on that agenda unless someone puts a gun to their heads, and they own most of the guns and the governments. So, the point is that the whole thing is being blown way out of proportion and has become just another paper tiger to keep people fighting among themselves rather than solving the some of the problems Agenda 21 is trying to address. “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice.. don’t get fooled again.” George W. Bush

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  5. George Rebane Avatar

    What most people confuse about the “non-binding” part of Agenda21 is that its implementation through insertion of comporting provisions into local general plans, building codes, land use regulations, etc are extremely binding. That’s where it’s hard for the minimally informed to make the connection, and that’s what keeps the Agenda21 ball rolling.

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  6. earlcrabb Avatar

    It’s hard to make the case against Agenda 21 when you see so many instances of rural cleansing going on here in our backyard. It’s a shame, because much of what the sustainability movement seeks to address is not necessarily a bad thing. Cleaning up the environment, reducing pollution and reducing dependence on fossil fuels, making sure our food is safe to eat, these are things I’m sure we can all agree are worthy goals.
    The biggest problem the opposition faces is their own agenda. When Republicans start spouting birther conspiracies, convoluted definitions of rape, passing eleventh hour laws designed to keep certain blocks of voters away from the polls, and some factions even claiming that while the government can’t control the climate, they are capable of creating tornadoes to punish Oklahoma Senators for not funding FEMA, well, it makes it difficult to decide which party is more batshit crazy than the other. I’m sure there were some in audience that thought Ms. Koire would be a decent human being if she would just get shock therapy to cure her satanic desire to have sex with women.

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  7. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Nice to know I made Rosa’s hit parade. I sometimes think the mark of a man is the enemies he keeps.

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  8. Russ Steele Avatar

    I was wondering how many, if any, of our local political and economic leaders were in the audience, City Council, Board of Supervisors, Planning Commissioners, Economic Resource Council Board Members, etc.?

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  9. Gregory Avatar

    RL, don’t expect alternative energy to displace fossil fuels until they are less expensive to use, and that isn’t now. With current reserves, that might not even be 50 years from now.
    The US is expected to be a net exporter of fossil fuel energy in 5 years.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22524597
    Just how much more are you willing to pay for gasoline and electricity in order to make Frisch’s carbon sequestration schemes appear to pay off? How much colder are you willing to make your home in the winter? In the end, that’s what forcing the use of more expensive alternative energy sources means, and the sad thing is that it doesn’t reduce the world’s use of fossil fuels, it just makes them a little less expensive to use in the countries that don’t put carbon in the penalty box. Every bit of oil that is pumped from the ground, every chunk of coal that is ripped from mother earth will be burned whether or not California uses that energy.

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  10. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    George 10:37– so are saying that forces of the UN are going to local jurisdictions and implementing Agenda 21? You seem to think there is a commie in every closet just waiting to leap out and take away corporations rights to pollute and ravage the planet. I am more afraid of the Heritage Foundation, american enterprise Inst., etc. than the UN, if you want to talk about minimally informed, I suggest you examine more carefully the information provided by the oil industry funded think tanks you are so fond of using as your sources.

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  11. George Rebane Avatar

    And adding to Gregory’s 820am, the availability of cheaper fossil fuels in countries that use them less efficiently means more pollution all around. Talk about shooting ourselves in the shorts while putting more crap in the air, now that is progressive.
    Russ 606am – Mr Koire asked for any Nevada County electeds in the audience to stand up. No one stood up.
    earlcrabb 110am – Bob, re your ‘Republican batshit’ screed: those certainly are distressing charges that you apply with a very broad brush. I must run in rarefied circles here in Nevada County, but I know of no members of CABPRO, the Tea Party, NRA members, or Republicans hereabouts that support or hold the beliefs and actions you describe. Where on earth did you go to collect such a list?

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  12. George Rebane Avatar

    JoeK 843am – “… so are (you) saying that forces of the UN are going to local jurisdictions and implementing Agenda 21?” Sadly Joe, my jaw went slack when I saw what you deduced from all my Agenda21 commentary over the years. I can only conclude that my writing skills have nowhere near the penetrating power required to communicate with you. And you may also be doing yourself a disservice by exhibiting such conclusions publicly.
    Re vetting info sources. Readers who are confused about whether to believe sources (“think tanks”) funded by the Left, the Right, or government should consider the markets’ reactions to the information issued by such sources. And to put an even finer point on it and really ferret out the bullshit factor, consider how leftwing union pension funds invest. Follow the money.

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  13. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Joe Koyote | 23 May 2013 at 08:43 AM
    Wow, I was nor aware the AEI and Heritage fielded an army. Joe give us the scoop on those two clandestine groups.
    Regarding oil and other fossil fuels. Isn’t the use of them simply recycling? Were they not something else and now are being used for our energy needs? Seems that locked up energy might have started out as photons? Gregory, help me out, you are the scientist.
    Regarding Crabb’s concerns. I too would like to know where those people are who believe as he has stated. I will shun them too. I don’t know anyone in my circle of friends and acquaintances who are even close to those views. Perhaps Crabb just wanted to “even” things out? Since the left has become quite the fascist entity.
    A21 is all around us and in our laws and regulations. Here in our little county we fought that during the attempt to shove NH2020 down the throats of the people. Perhaps Joe Coyote would welcome the NH2020 folks on to his property (and without invitation?). Then when they found a so-called endangered plant or critter he would give up ownership to the greater good. What a hoot.

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  14. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    Would you consider LAFCO to be one of the offensive agencies in Ms Korie’s scenario?

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  15. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1029am – LAFCOs or Local Agency Formation Commissions are not offensive in and of themselves, as are not Boards of Supervisors, City Councils, and Planning Commissions. It is when they unwittingly, or worse, purposefully advance and implement initiatives which inexorably drive us toward the Agenda21 global future that they act like Ms Korie’s “offensive agencies”. Her exhortation is for citizens, those who don’t support the A21 end, to become informed, involved, and oppose the incremental means toward that end, no matter where such means are encountered in the public forum.

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  16. earlcrabb Avatar

    Okay, this is my third attempt to post a comment. I don’t know where you all have been hiding, but all of my examples have been widely reported over the last year or so. The tornado conspiracy belongs to Alex Jones. I’ll wait to see if this comment appears before going further…

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  17. Gregory Avatar

    Geeze, RL, you had to stoop to thinking Alex Jones had anyone’s ear regarding tornadoes being a secret weapon? He doesn’t.
    There are over 300 million people in the US. A large fraction, call it half, are conservative or leaning that way. If you assume 1% of everyone is batsh*t crazy, that means there are about 1.5 million rightwing nutcases that you can quote out of context to make the Right appear as crazy as you want. And the Right can do the same to the Left. Ben E. even delivers usable material directly to RR, cutting out the middlemen.
    I know a former elected county official, arguably sane despite an unnatural fascination with Art Bell and alien encounters, who thinks Bush was behind 9/11 and can’t quite put their finger on why Obama hasn’t done anything about it. Must be the conspiracy was even worse than they thought.

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  18. earlcrabb Avatar

    Hey! It worked! Okay, so I guess you all forgot about those Senate seats you lost in the last two election cycles. The birther conspiracies have been featured prominently, even here on George’s blog. The opposition to anything gay is standard practice in GOP politics, just ask the Log Cabin Republicans.
    All this deniability makes me weak from laughter. Republicans would vote for any crazy nominee as long as he or she didn’t have a “D” after their name. It’s the lesser of two evils syndrome that seems to keep Republicans in the political wilderness.

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  19. Gregory Avatar

    Earl, Clint Curtis (D-Mars), a certifiable conspiracy nutcase in his native Florida, briefly unpacked his carpetbag in these parts to run for Congress not long ago, proving that local Dems will vote for anyone who has a D next to their name.
    It’s a shame Ben E. couldn’t even outpoll the loony tourist.

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  20. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    This has been the quietest tornado season since 1994 or something like that. Appears to the untrained eye that them Priuses are really making a difference. Could be the recycling bins are changing things as well….I may be batshit crazy, but I ain’t stoopid

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  21. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    So let me get this straight RL. The Senate seats were defeated in their respective states and there were majority R’s in registration in them. I would say the R’s defeated them wouldn’t you?
    Regarding homosexuals. It appears to me you are asking the religious folks in America to give up their belief about that topic as it is written in the Bible. Does that mean you think it is OK to deny or go against your belief s? What beliefs would you personally give up that you hold dear? It is my understanding the Christian tenet is hate the sin but not the sinner. Is that something you can accept?
    I just heard the Rhode Island US Senator Whitehouse say the tornado’s were caused by the people of Oklahoma because they do not believe in Global Warmimg and they sell oil. He is a moderate democrat so would he be representing all the democrats?
    George, you are correct about LAFCO to a degree. I was on LAFCO as a Supe and then I was subject to it as a property owner being forced to annex to Grass Valley. LAFCO became a tool to exploit eco issues as one can see from the requirements when GV was trying to annex the SDA’s over the last 20 years. California law says even LAFCO has to do EIR’s and other studies (paid for by applicants).

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  22. Paul Emery Avatar

    Todd
    “I just heard the Rhode Island US Senator Whitehouse…….tornado caused by people of Oklahoma.” Pretty outrageous if true. Can you send me documentation?

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  23. Gregory Avatar

    Paul, Todd gets a bit carried away at times but Whitehouse did say the following”
    “When cyclones tear up Oklahoma, and hurricanes swamp Alabama, and wildfires scorch Texas, you come to us, for billions of dollars to recover.
    And the damage your polluters and deniers are doing doesn’t just hit Oklahoma and Alabama and Texas; it hits Rhode Island with floods and storms, and Oregon with acidified seas, and Montana with dying forests. So like it or not, we’re in this together.
    You drag America with you to your fate.”
    To date, not a single weather event has been definitively linked to CO2, including Sandy, whose storm track was shown to not have any demonstrated warming from any cause. It’s all just rhetoric by latter day Chicken Littles like Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)

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  24. Paul Emery Avatar

    Gregory
    That’s a typical Toddism. No documentation, pure fantasy.

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  25. Gregory Avatar

    Paul, I’ve seen worse paraphrasing; if Todd was supporting one of your sacred cows I’d guess you’d be giving him a pass.
    BTW, direct from the horse’s patootie:
    AFP-GENEVA
    ” Rajendra Pachauri, head of the UN-backed Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, said data was still coming in about Monday’s massive tornado which tore through a suburb of Oklahoma City, killing at least 24 people.
    “Could there be better preparedness in general? Yes. What could better preparedness have been? Well it’s very difficult to say at this stage,” Pachauri told reporters in Geneva.
    “But one really cannot relate an event of this nature to human-induced climate change. It’s just not possible. Scientifically, that’s not valid,” he said.”

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  26. earlcrabb Avatar

    Just to refresh your memories, Indiana Senate candidate Richard Mourdock lost Indiana, a solid red state, after declaring that rape was “something God intended.” Todd Akin should have mopped the floor with Claire McCaskill in Missouri, but lost after his comments on “legitimate rape.” Sharon Angle blew an easy one to displace Harry Reid in an otherwise GOP landslide year. And just today right wing icon Glenn Beck saw a conspiracy by CNN to advance the cause of atheism when Wolf Blitzer interviewed an Oklahoma tornado survivor who claimed God had nothing to do with it.
    It’s difficult to paint the GOP as mainstream when they advance these ideas on an almost daily basis.

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  27. Gregory Avatar

    Just to refresh your memory, RL, the GOP powers that be weren’t in their camps to begin with, actively tried to get Akin off the ballot and, barring that, gave him no support and there was evidence that Reid supporters were boosting Angle in the primaries.
    Any evangelical Christian is going to think any pregnancy is a gift from god on some level (especially if they weren’t the one who got raped) and an experienced politician would know when to bite his or her tongue on any subject. The problem of TP candidates in general has been one of sending untested amateurs up against seasoned pros.

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  28. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 146pm – Were not the good senator’s pronouncements also “pure fantasy”? Were not the senator’s “polluters and deniers” of Oklahoma their oil producers and sellers, and those Sooners who deny AGW? If so, then Todd’s 1225pm was not all that much off the mark, and most certainly it was NOT the “pure fantasy” that achieves the level in Senator Whitehouse’s remarks.

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  29. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    Whitehouse’s sarcastic comments were reconstructed by Todd to fit his needs. You surely can see that.

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  30. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 311pm – Given that Greg’s 138pm quote is correct, I see nothing “sarcastic” in the senator’s remarks save genuine anger at what he considers profligate Sooner behavior. And that, I fear, happens to be the only pure “pure fantasy” that is going on regarding the senator’s statement. My 257pm stands.

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  31. earlcrabb Avatar

    Greg 2:43pm – Untested amateurs? I believe most of the Tea Party candidates were elected representatives, except for O’Donnell in Jersey. The Tea Party is the dominant faction of the GOP as far as primaries go. In California, it’s an even harder climb for the party when their voter registration threatens to fall below independents, Tuesday’s state senate win notwithstanding.

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  32. Gregory Avatar

    RL, Angle was a substitute teacher for 25 years; yes, the Nevada Assembly (her only elected office) is amateur hour and her service was more amateur than most. In 2006 she lost the primary for a Congressional seat to Dean Heller (then the Sec’y of State in NV, now the junior Senator from Nevada), had never run for a statewide orifice and her last win for a low budget Ass’y seat was in 2004. Reid ate her for lunch, with the hotel service unions making the difference.
    Mourdock lost every try for congress, barely made it as state treasurer, not exactly a springboard. A not ready for prime time player when it came to being a Senator.
    Akin was experienced as a rep in the state legislature and congress, from a safe seat in a Red district. He should have known better, and had he fallen on his sword as soon as he screwed the pooch there’d be another R in the senate and maybe in the Oval office.
    Too bad about O’Donnell, above average cute and would have been a boon to cartoonists coast to coast.
    The woman who would be Governor, Meg Whitman, didn’t even bother to vote for 28 years and thought governor was a fine entry level job in politics.
    Carly Fiorina thought Senator would be her entry level job five years after being axed from HP but Boxer proved that age, treachery and campaign skills honed by years of doing nothing but campaigning does trump relative youth and skill. Too bad, a more credible candidate could have made a difference… even the LA Times didn’t endorse her in the primary, stating, “On the Democratic side, we find that we’re no fans of incumbent Barbara Boxer… She displays less intellectual firepower or leadership than she could.” I
    In short, yes, the Dems do a better job of grooming candidates, possibly because they don’t see government as a necessary evil but rather, a way of life.

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    George 3:21
    Senator Whitehouse was dead serious when dumping on “deniers” from the oil producing states for their culpability in creating the tornado. So was (who else?) Barbara Boxer, who used the occasion of dead Okies young and old to call for a carbon tax.
    http://www.examiner.com/article/barbara-boxer-blames-global-warming-for-oklahoma-tornado-calls-for-carbon-tax

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    Paul, if you still think Sen.Whitehouse was trying for parody, here’s the CSPAN footage:
    http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/20/democratic-senator-goes-on-anti-gop-rant-over-climate-change-as-tornadoes-hit-oklahoma/#ixzz2TsyeamLC
    He was dead serious; Whitehouse and Boxer are peas in a pod.

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  35. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    PaulE just has a problem with his views. He claims I am in a fantasy on Whitehouse even in the face of the facts and videos as Greg has shown. Yet PaulE still believes there was another shooter on the grassy knoll. Amazing!

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  36. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    AS I recall the Senate races RL, the “Party” did thei damndest to get those three nuts off the card. How can you paint the party as nutty when they rejected them? I know it is easy to paint all of a group or party since I had to bear that as a contractor back in the 70’s. But unlike the “Muslims” who do not condemn terrorism by their few, we at least try to boot the nuts out.
    It appears to me that when a liberal like PaulE supports MJ, they are as dedicated in its support and they have blinders on to any debate against it. Why is it a lefty can keep his unbending views and a conservative cannot?

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  37. Paul Emery Avatar

    Either way the turnout for the event (Rosa Koire) was pretty weak, only 200 according to George. It’s a pretty fringy viewpoint that is reflected by the small house. They had over 1000 (sold out) for Michael Moore and 800 twice for Amy Goodman and a sellout (1000) for Michael Ruperts talk on Peak Oil three years ago. The small turnout was kind of surprising because the marketing was pretty good.

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  38. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    That is the best you got PaulE? nany nany nany. What a hoot.

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  39. Paul Emery Avatar

    Just an observation Todd for what it’s worth about the relative interest in the speakers being presented at the Vets Hall. You can form your own opinion as to what it means.

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  40. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    So why put it here if you were not trying to make a point? You think we are all stupid? Sheesh Paul, you are too much. This is your style man, we all know why you do it.

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  41. Paul Emery Avatar

    Well it sure got your attention Todd. Thanks for verifying this.

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  42. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Golly, I guess one of us should have commented about the six or eight APPLE types on the overpass. Wow! What wonderful reporting. LOL!

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  43. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    The turn out was not as important as the words she said. This is like commenting on the softness of the toilet paper in the Vet Hall bathroom rather than debating if the speaker’s word ring true.

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  44. Paul Emery Avatar

    Bill
    I take you don’t think that the size of the turnout relates to the amount of interest or support of the topic or the speaker ?

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  45. Ryan Mount Avatar

    Fallacy Ad Populum, Or the 50 Million Elvis Fans Can’t Be Wrong Fallacy.
    http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-popularity.html

    “The basic idea is that a claim is accepted as being true simply because most people are favorably inclined towards the claim. More formally, the fact that most people have favorable emotions associated with the claim is substituted in place of actual evidence [emphasis mine] for the claim. A person falls prey to this fallacy if he accepts a claim as being true simply because most other people approve of the claim.”

    That’s not to say that greater mobs can’t be correct/true/whatever. But it’s incorrect to think that Michael Moore or Amy Goodman or ABC TV’s The View is any closer to the truth because of their popularity. If Post-Modernism has taught us anything, it’s that often truth lies in the margins.
    Note: in this case, 50,000,000 Elvis are correct.

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  46. Ryan Mount Avatar

    *fans.
    50,000,000 Elvis fans. Stupid Interwebs.
    Not that I doubt there are 50,000,000 Elvis impersonators out there.

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  47. George Rebane Avatar

    re PaulE’s 112pm – turnout does relate to many things including the amount of interest for the topic or speaker. For the record, NC Friends of Military was holding its monthly packing party for the deployed troops in the big cafeteria under the GV Vets auditorium. That split the attendance. The other factor to consider is that Michael Moore is an internationally known (celebrated?) and media prominent leftwing film maker, while Rosa Koire is an ardent but unknown voice in the wilderness.
    Finally, as Messrs Tozer and Mount point out, the importance of a topic does not always correlate with interest in it or a given event’s turnout. This takes nothing away from local liberals who know how to put on a good event.

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  48. Russ Steele Avatar

    Paul,
    The turn out at the Meeting in the Vets Hall was diminished in part because it was schedule in conjunction with the Friends of Nevada County Military Packing Party, which had some conservative member who would liked to have attended. The other issue was the lack of parking at the Vets Hall. With both activities going on at the same time the parking lot was full and as were the street parking on Auburn Street. While we were looking for a place to park, several cars came into the parking lot and circled and then left. Who knows what other competing activities were scheduled that evening.

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  49. Paul Emery Avatar

    Russ, George-Why did it start at 5:30? Not a great time for working people who like to have dinner after work.

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