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Late yesterday afternoon we finished ‘taping’ the first installment of ‘Breaking Bread’ (BB), a new series that is to air over the coming months on NCTV Channel 11.  BB is a roundtable discussion of ideas, happenings, and current issues of broad national interest.  It is based loosely on the historical French salons which were hosted by ladies of high social rank and means during the so-called Enlightenment period that lasted from around 1740 to the start of the French Revolution in 1789.

FrenchSalonThese salons were stimulating affairs where the latest ideas in the sciences, politics, arts, religion, philosophy, and literature were presented and discussed.  The invitees were the great thinkers, artists, writers – new and established – of the age, many of whom looked forward to these sessions as much for the nourishment of their bodies as of their minds.  A salon always offered some of the finest foods and spirits with which the hostess could afford to ingratiate herself in the eyes of society.  To be invited to attend a salon was a great honor, and you can imagine the competition of who was attending which salon(s) when and with whom.

(Versions of these classic salons were continued and expanded throughout Europe and America during the 19th century.  In the late 1970s Jo Ann and I joined with a number of other couples to establish a 20th century dinner version of the salon that featured a prepared presentation of a thesis, sometimes rebutted by ‘the loyal opposition’, and then dissected by everyone until the early hours.  These dinner salons went on for years and included some very interesting people and topics.)

The most recent inspiration for BB came from our own Reinette Senum and Patricia Smith, local activists and community leaders of known repute.  After some preliminary plenary sessions under the able leadership of NCTV’s Access Coordinator Teri Hicklin, who will also direct the tapings, the program’s format was adopted and the first installments selected.  BB will be a monthly one-hour offering, (co)hosted by one or two regular hosts, and featuring two or three invited guests.  The program will consist of a civil discussion – not a debate – of the subject du jour between the host(s) and the guests.

The inaugural tranche of BB hosts are Patricia Smith (medicinal marijuana activist), Paul Emery (KVMR News Director already known to RR readers), Reinette Senum, Eric Tomb, and yours truly.   As determined by a program’s host(s), one of the other hosts may also fill a guest role on a future program.

BB’s charter is to present definitive ideological viewpoints (ranging from crisp to outrageous?) on the selected issues – equivocation will be eschewed, i.e. no daisy talk – in such a manner that a landscape can emerge from which common ground may be identified, or an understanding of what notions, ideas, values, etc still stand in the way of our coming together.  Of course, there will always be an effort to reach and identify some areas of consensus, no matter how minimal.

Yesterday’s launch was titled ‘Language and Labels’, and was moderated by Eric Tomb, a well-known bookseller, intellectual, and man about town in Nevada County.  The program’s objective was to introduce the BB hosts, outline the show’s format and future, and give a sampling of it through a discussion of how language and labels guide and constrain our perspectives and perceptions.  The airing times of this installment will be announced by NCTV.

The first Breaking Bread with guests will be ‘taped live’ on 1 May next.  The subject will be the Second Amendment, and it will be co-hosted by Paul Emery and me.

[update]  The first episode ‘Language and Labels’ was broadcast on 7 April 2013, and may be streamed from the NCTV archives from this page under Breaking Bread

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142 responses to “‘Breaking Bread’ on NCTV (updated)”

  1. Russ Steele Avatar

    George,
    You appear to be out numbered, there are more liberals than conservatives at the table. I hope that future guest will keep you from becoming the token conservative, in what promises to be a very interesting venue.
    How will the “areas of consensus” be catalogued for posterity, other than on the program DVD?

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  2. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    George,
    You forgot to mention that programs like these are subsidized by (OMG) government! Hope you learn something.

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  3. Barry Pruett Avatar

    George: Congratulations! I see some areas of agreement all of the time when I talk with my more liberal friends. No more corporate bailouts is one area for serious agreement. We did the same thing with the Einstein Project. http://barrypruett.blogspot.com/search/label/Einstein%20Project
    It is much more interesting when you can discuss face-to-face.
    I was on NCTV one time with Reinette in connection with discussing the various propositions. She was awesome, and we had a great conversation. Hope that you post some links to the videos.

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  4. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    “WE did the same thing with the Einstein Project. http://barrypruett.blogspot.com/search/label/Einstein%20Project
    Sounds like Al Gore inventing the internet! Good going!

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  5. Barry Pruett Avatar

    We did, and it is a wonderful group. I am sad that I do not have more time to continue my participation with them. Sunday evenings were not working for me. You know – family first. Good to see Mr. Pelline comstructively participating in the rational discussions. He always enlightens on and reminds me of the thought processes of the extremely angry faction of the extreme left-side of the aisle. I would love to trade barbs, but I have another trial next week.

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  6. fish Avatar
    fish

    You forgot to mention that programs like these are subsidized by (OMG) government!
    They shouldn’t be.

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  7. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Barry,
    We are praying for you. Honest.

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  8. Russ Steele Avatar

    This post is about creating a forum for understanding and coming up with some common understanding of the issues facing our community, and with in a short time after the post was made we have the arrival of a disruptive commenter, a troll bent on changing the subject and creating a disruptive discourse with the other posters. Why? What could be the purpose of this troll whom we have not heard from for some time. Why now? Could it be he is jealous, having not been invited to break some bread at the NCTV table? Just wondering!

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  9. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    That reminds me. It has indeed been awhile since I smelled a BoB’s Big Boy.

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  10. Michael P. Anderson Avatar
    Michael P. Anderson

    Breaking Bread on NCTV sounds like a great idea. Well done George, Paul, and crew.
    May I suggest also breaking bread at the Pioneer Park snack shack? Liberals, progressives, conservatarians, libertarians, cranks, bastards, knaves, and other various malcontents regularly lay down their arms at this wonderful venue on a regular basis at this time of year and share a few innings of pure joy watching America’s Greatest Pastime. Here’s the schedule, in case you feel like lowering your blood pressure: http://nevadacitybaseball.com/Org/OrgLocationPublicSchedule.aspx?d=uSrmLaewjHFQC3BWxO7x4SfstNikCAbB
    And this explains it even better–
    http://www.sportsareinvolved.com/2010/04/on-why-baseball-will-always-be-americas.html

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  11. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    There’s no need to stoop to name calling. I just find it ironic that the same folks who want to cut funding to PBS (because they disagree with the perspective) are boasting about local programs that benefit from similar government mandated arrangements – because they’re featured on it. “Rent-seeking TV commentators.” What a hoot!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_public-access_TV_stations_in_the_United_States_(Alaska-Connecticut)

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  12. fish Avatar
    fish

    There’s no need to stoop to name calling.
    Theres always a need to stoop to name calling.
    I just find it ironic that the same folks who want to cut funding to PBS (because they disagree with the perspective) are boasting about local programs that benefit from similar government mandated arrangements – because they’re featured on it. “Rent-seeking TV commentators.” What a hoot!
    Without regard to the correctness of the initial act (taxpayer funded TV programs) this seems to be a case of – “Well you spent the money already so we’re going to use the resource too”.

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  13. Barry Pruett Avatar

    Michael: What NCLL team are we rooting for this year? In other words, what team is D on? When we lived in Nevada City, I used to walk up to Pioneer Park and watch the games. It has to be one of the prettiest little league fields in the country.

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  14. Biull Tozer Avatar
    Biull Tozer

    Government funded PEGS?? Nay, I disagree. Funding for PEGS (Public, education, government local tv) comes from the cable companies franchise tax that you see on your cable bill. Its the law, albeit the new law limits the extortion the local communities can charge. Dish Network and Direct TV are exempt and the phone company tax you see on your bill goes to equip public schools with access to the internet, but I digress once again.
    I remember when a former Superintendent of the County Schools took $200,000 from our local school budget to keep NCTV afloat after it moved out of St. Joe’s basement and ran out of money. He figured the public and the cable companies here (Comcast and the provider down in Alta Sierra) would just open their wallets and totally fund this invaluable resource which we all can’t live without. New building, new state of the art equipment donated and all was well. Opps, the greatest plans of mice and men.
    The former person in charge of our County’s K-12 funding went as far to try to get the local cable companies to pay us (him) the same franchise monies as they pay in San Jose, using that city in many speeches. Lets see now. San Jose has 600,000 cable subscribers and Western Nevada County had about 12,000 subscribers at the time. Guess he was not the smartest tool in the shed when it came to ratios and percentages.
    For its part, Comcast was not obligated to pay additional money after its franchise agreement with the County and local cities was reached, but they threw in another $600,000 towards NCTV in additional funds of the next ten years as a gesture of good will. Think they were obligated to pay something in the 15-30k/year to NCTV via their franchise agreement. Even Director Lou was surprised by the additional 60k/year. Public relations and all that stuff.
    I don’t have cable, but I am glad the Breaking Bread will be aired to those who live in our little towns. Government funding? Hmmm. All the cable, satellite tv, and phone companies join together and fund C-Span and C-Span @. That’s why no matter what level of service you have, you can always catch Queen Nancy’s mug on your TV.

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  15. Biull Tozer Avatar
    Biull Tozer

    Dr. Rebane, I regret I will miss the airing May 1st on the 2nd Amendment. We have the right to bear arms, not for hunting or skeet practice, but to defend ourselves with deadly force, aka, to kill people who invade us.
    We bear arms not to shoot cans or fire off nerf balls at folks who mean us great bodily harm, rather we have the right to bear arms to inflict great bodily harm on others.

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  16. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    “The lady doth protest too much.” Public-access television (including public, educational and government-access television) was created and mandated by government! (via the Cable Communications Act of 1984). It’s “rent-seeking” television. As you point out yourself, the private sector (AKA, cable companies) have objected to the terms from time to time. Of course, when George Rebane appears on “Breaking Bread,” it’s an excellent use of the money. Go figure!

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  17. George Rebane Avatar

    BillT 759am – Not to worry Mr Tozer. I’m told that NCTV will air each segment several times, and also make them all available online.

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  18. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    I have a question for George. Will you call people who suggest a environmental regulation or raising income taxes or should I say capital gains/ dividends on the wealthiest Americans Communists, Socialists, Collectivists, ignorant, and all the those labels you paint people on RR? If yes, do you think they will take the labels as a pejorative? I know you make the claim on RR those labels aren’t meant as a negative despite the label being used in the middle of antagonistic rant against such ideas. Or does that only exist within the safety of blogs and the lack of face to face confrontation?

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  19. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Jeff,
    A better way of putting it is within a question. Will “Breaking Bread” be a profitable show? If it will not create profit should it even exist?
    Many times what is good for the public like roads, emergency services, education, open spaces and so on aren’t important because they generate profit but instead they are a social good.

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  20. fish Avatar
    fish

    Will you call people who suggest a environmental regulation or raising income taxes or should I say capital gains/ dividends on the wealthiest Americans Communists, Socialists, Collectivists, ignorant, and all the those labels you paint people on RR?
    I’m certainly not answering for the proprietor, but since you raise the issue Ben are their percentages associated with these proposed levies that you would find adequate for the proper functioning of government not the vague bottomless “wish list” that emanates annually from DC and the state capitols?

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  21. Russ Steele Avatar

    BenE@09:33AM
    I am not offended when some on calls me a Conservative, why should a Communist, Socialist, Collectivist or Progressive be offended if that is what they are? Now we have to agree, it is not nice to call someone ignorant. That is, unless you can demonstrate they are ignorant of the facts. Or, in some cases choosing to ignore the facts, then I think that the case can be made for ignorance.

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  22. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Russ,
    Because I am not a Communist and basically since the 1940’s there has been a war on Communists in America. If you are a conservative are you a automatically a Fascist? Fascism and American Conservatism have many of the same positions on issues but that doesn’t automatically make you a Fascist. Do you get the point.

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  23. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 1104am etc – This topic of using appropriate labels to summarize prominent characteristics/beliefs of a person has been extensively covered in RR over the years – just use the RR search bar or google the topics while including ‘Rebane’ in the keywords. Also see the Glossary and Semantics section of RR.
    If you think that I have inappropriately used a label, then cite the specific use and focus your criticism. And I’m not sure what are “many of the same positions on issues” shared by “Fascism and American Conservatism”. But I do recall that you did not understand my 25feb13 post ‘Ideologies and Governance – a structured look’, so exploring the finer points of ideological spectra with you seems like the resurrection of futility.
    In any event, I’ll be happy to cover new ground with you, but hesitate to circumnavigate old barns.

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  24. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    I see the usual liberal suspects are quizzing the host again.
    NCTV has been around a long time. So long that its precursor was around in my youth. There was local access in the sixties. I was in a debate on the Vietnam War with a classmate in 1968. He kicked my butt on style but I beat him on facts. The show was on local cable which was not a prevalent as it is today. The station is still on Ridge Road. A little masonry structure.
    Then I recall a certain percentage of the cable bill was set aside for a local station in the 80’s. The cable franchise was a hegemony and we on the BOS extorted them for money for the station under the “law”. Well, if you have a monopoly, then maybe there is a public interest. All this too has something to do with pole rights (not brass).
    Then in 1996 I along with my co-host Sandy Gagnon, did a ongoing show on NCTV regarding the Propositions on the ballot that season. That morphed into a continuous show and was produced by volunteers. We had guests and our slant was to debate and expose the liberal crapola. Ah the memories.
    So, Pelline is as usual, is uninformed about the local scene. Ben Emery is hopeless.

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  25. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    And George, we all know you can hold your own on the topics but knowing liberals like PaulE and the others, you will become a pariah, verbally abused within a short time. LOL!

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  26. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    George,
    Nobody fits into these categories outright and you know it but you like to use them anyway. I am a civil libertarian, outdoorsman, and advocate of democracy. Yet on a number of occasions you have labelled my positions as Communist or Marxist. When using labels the focus then becomes the label not the issue. Labeling is a very weak position of an inexperienced debater who doesn’t have the knowledge or facts to back up their positions.

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  27. Gregory Avatar

    Does anyone have a link to RL Crabb’s excellent Pelline as Eric Cartman strip? Classic and perceptive. Here we go:
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54f86f2ad8833014e86ba8a46970d-pi
    ” I just find it ironic that the same folks who want to cut funding to PBS (because they disagree with the perspective)…”
    No, because there really is no need for the feds to provide 16% of public broadcasting’s budget when even their defenders (from the left of center) describe them as having only one perspective. If Pelline really wants to see Riverdance or Celtic Woman again, he’ll cough up another 16%.
    Remember when PBS catered to high culture that really needed non commercial television to reach eyeballs?

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  28. Paul Emery Avatar

    Todd
    I’m confident that George is capable of handling himself in our discussions. If not he can call you for backup if he chooses. I’ll leave it up to George to express his gratitude for your thoughtfulness.

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  29. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    PaulE, I debated your ilk in droves and usually I was outnumbered 3 or 4 to one. I kicked their butts. George will have no problems. Besides, I was laughing when I wrote the last comment. I recall debating Harold Berliner and a couple of other libs in the AVM when I was running CABPRO. KVMR did the broadcast. I wiped the floor with the libs you all stacked the panel with. What a hoot!

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  30. George Rebane Avatar

    re BenE’s 100pm et al – Those who are similarly afflicted may benefit from a reread of ‘The Liberal Mind – How much socialist, before being a ‘Socialist’?’
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2011/11/the-liberal-mind-how-much-socialist-before-being-a-socialist.html

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  31. Paul Emery Avatar

    Yeah Todd, Romney by 8. You sure were the winner in predicting the last election. For our newer readers let me introduce you to Todd Juvinall, a legend in his own mind.

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  32. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Ben, nobody likes to be pigeonholed or put in a nice neat box. We all have our leaning with the proverbial “off the reservation” deviation from the party line on occasion. That I get. I also get that name calling is a weak and unskilled debating style, you Nirvana Dreamer. Its OK to have your head in the clouds as long has you have your feet planted on the ground.
    What I do not get is how often you get stuck on somebody labeling you and you just can’t seem to climb off that merry-go-round. Man up. Move on. Quit whining month after month that somebody labeled you a Pinko or that some guy who intentionally blew up a packed senior citizens’ hangout is labeled a raghead. Dr. Rebane in too kind. They are reprehensible fawking ragheads. The deader they are, the better for world peace and understanding and even the environment. Those suicide packs really pollute the air when deployed.
    Call me a conservative till the cows come home. Call me a Right Winger which I am. Call me a racist, Creationist, homophobic, uglier than buzzard guts, dumber than a bucket of rocks, mental midget, whatever. Just don’t get into a time warp and be unable to crawl out.
    I personally like bare knuckle political brawling and debates more akin to the Taiwanese legislature or at least what our Founding Fathers experienced in the House. Or at least as rowdy as the British Parliament addressing the Prime Minister. This PC crap has stifled the free flowing exchange of ideas in the name of being nice. Of course you know where nice guys end up in the pecking order. Like Chamberlain, they finish last while men and women and children are slaughtered. And please spare me the American-Indian War stories. Most liberals prefer the new name Progressive. What ever floats the libowels boat.

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  33. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Bill,
    What I am trying to accomplish is a reasonable debate not having to sift through all the BS labels. When just about every discussion is started with the pretense of your ignorant, foolish, and want a one world government like Stalin it kind of puts a person in the corner. I love disagreement when we are talking about philosophy, ideology, or issues. What I don’t like is when the insults start coming down the pike due to disagreement. I can have civil disagreements all day long but am like most people when they feel they are being attacked. I push back.
    Politically I am a progressive, populist, democratic socialist, or civil libertarian. Here is the difference between a Liberal and Progressive.
    Liberals- want everybody to be able to afford to live within a corrupt and unjust society.
    Progressive- want to correct the system so everybody can afford to live.
    One is about government putting quotas on everything and having programs and agencies while the other wants our government to represent the interest of the people so they can be self reliant and need little help from the government except in emergency situations. There is a huge difference.

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  34. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    RE: political labels –” I am not offended when some on calls me a Conservative, why should a Communist, Socialist, Collectivist or Progressive be offended if that is what they are? ” I agree that a person should not be offended, however most of those terms have a lot of negative baggage associated with them as a result of cold war propaganda. I think the issue with labeling has more to do with propaganda and negative associations then any understanding by the public as to what they mean from a functional standpoint. Throughout the cold war the terms Communist, Socialist, Collectivist were associated with anti-American sentiment and in the post cold war anti-capitalist sentiment, and as such, are often used by conservative pundits to invoke negative reactions toward people and ideas by labeling them as “Communist, Socialist, Collectivist” etc. In the same way the left often uses fascism or plutocracy in association with capitalism. Unless a speaker’s purpose is preaching to the choir, such labeling should be avoided as the undecided will most often view such language an ad hominem attack and the speaker will lose credibility.

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  35. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 641pm – Sounds like we’re making progress. Can you write out the more formal/structured definitions of ‘Liberal’ and ‘Progressive’ as 1) how you interpret those labels, and 2) cite the more broader acceptance of your definitions given that they have a constituency.

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  36. George Rebane Avatar

    JoeK 655pm – First, let’s be clear that “the public” neither understands nor involves itself in such finer details of ideological labels, and most certainly they are not the audience here.
    The fact is that during the Cold War those of the collectivist persuasions – primarily through the international communist movement – did try to destroy the US and the capitalist west. Therefore the negative connotation, viz American interests, of such collectivist labels has been and continues to be spot on according to the Right – libertarians, conservatives, conservetarians, free marketeers, etc.
    You of the Left have a vastly different picture of what was, is, and should come to pass than the rest of us. And both of us are trying our best to convince and/or educate the sheeple sufficiently to enable our respective dreams.

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  37. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    “You of the Left have a vastly different picture of what was, is, and should come to pass than the rest of us.” I would not describe myself as either a liberal or a lefty, as you put it, but that is beside the point… you seem to imply that the left is in left field while “the rest of us” (seeming to imply yourself and the rest of the country) are not. To put things into proper context, based on the opinions you express on your blog, and comparing those opinions to the rest of the nation, I would have to say that most of your positions have the support of around a one third or less of the population, placing you in a small minority. Of course, in your opinion, the rest of them, the “sheeple” just don’t know any better, and in many ways I agree with that assessment, but that doesn’t change what they think. The battle for their hearts and minds between left and right is not going to be won by elites looking down their noses at them. That is why Romney lost and why, ultimately, right or wrong, I think the center-left will win the culture war. Like it or not, the masses are damned tired of the rich getting richer and the rest treading water. I think the first politician from any party to grasp this and figure out how to use the internet to launch a grass roots fund raising campaign will not only be very successful but change the way elections are run, and perhaps change the political landscape. It should also be noted that these are the same conditions that have lead to the rise of militant dictators.

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  38. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    [Pelline’s comment deleted, it didn’t take long for his hallmark snark and crap to emerge.]

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  39. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Joe at 7:38 – ” Like it or not, the masses are damned tired of the rich getting richer and the rest treading water. I think the first politician from any party to grasp this and figure out how to use the internet to launch a grass roots fund raising campaign will not only be very successful but change the way elections are run, and perhaps change the political landscape.”
    Uh, Joe? Don’t you think that is exactly what Obama did? The battle is not for the hearts and minds of the people, because the left have shown that you ignore the facts (the mind) and go after folks’ emotions (hearts). The most successful tool for Obama was a bumper sticker that simply read: Obama – He Cares. By every metric that Obama himself laid down in his run against McCain he was a total failure and a liar of gross proportions to boot. But hey! HE CARES! He’s going to go after anyone who makes more than you and give you a big check and you don’t even have to work. Because you deserve it! There is no way on earth we conservatives can compete against an administration that prints billions every day in fiat money and hands it out. We can point to history and logic and facts until the cows come home, but that will never work against a president handing out goodies from his “stash”. America now has the lowest work force participation as a percentage of it’s population since the great depression, and the Obama admin is trumpeting this as great news and proof that the economy is recovering. Sadly, most of the sheep are buying it or they just don’t care. Just how, Joe, do you want an election to run? The people voted and got what they wanted. What’s the problem?

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  40. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    Scott–I don’t disagree with your assessment of Obama. However, in the grand scale of things Obama is Republican light. He still caters to the traditional special interests. Obama said a lot of things that environmentalists and middle and low income people wanted to hear and did very few of them. He still says a lot of things and does very little. The person I am talking about in my post would be even more of a populist (someone who appeals to the working masses rather than business interests) than Obama tried to portray himself. They would have to come from a third party as neither party would risk backing a real populist. Perhaps a middle of the road person like Chris Christie from New Jersey on a third party ticket if the conservatives reject him in 2016 to run against Hillary. It is possible that millions of little people chucking in a few bucks each could raise enough money to compete with corporate backed Republican and Democratic candidates. Jefferson once said that the people in a democracy get the government they deserve. If people want change bad enough they can make it happen. Big if though.

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  41. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    PaulE, your jealousy of me is breathtaking. Go take a cold shower man. LOL!
    I know some good psychologists that could help. It appears you have never gotten over the debate beating I gave you. Romney lost, big whoop. I kept the House and the majority of state legislatures. You libs are to funny.
    Pelline’s comments are simply his jealousy of George. Very obvious Pelline and even BenE are out of their league.

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  42. George Rebane Avatar

    JoeK’s (738pm, 901pm) and ScottO’s (820pm) comments are pretty much on the mark according to my lights, and what I have been writing for these last years. Given the pre-Singularity economics we must endure, there is no chance of a large fraction of the workforce ever again competitively selling its labor. As technology advances, the trend is in the other direction – it is an existential reality and has nothing to do with ideologies. However, this does leave an open running field for the populist politicians of which Obama is the most skillful exemplar we have.
    For some time we have been talking about additional political parties, each being more focused in their offerings. That might help, but the greatest impediment to all non-autocratic futures is still the uneducated/uncaring voter.

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  43. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    I would like to comment on a few of the comments from above:
    Todd: “Well, if you have a monopoly, then maybe there is a public interest.”
    Wow, Todd the communist. Please tell us more…
    Todd: “PaulE, I debated your ilk in droves and usually I was outnumbered 3 or 4 to one. I kicked their butts. George will have no problems. Besides, I was laughing when I wrote the last comment. I recall debating
    Harold Berliner and a couple of other libs in the AVM when I was running CABPRO. KVMR did the broadcast. I wiped the floor with the libs you all stacked the panel with. What a hoot!”
    In your own mind, TSA-boy. What a hoot! indeed.
    Ben: “Liberals – want everybody to be able to afford to live within a corrupt and unjust society.
    Progressive – want to correct the system so everybody can afford to live.”
    As George noted, this is a very nice (new) delineation of these two highly-used and misunderstood terms. Thanks Ben, well done.
    Michael A.

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  44. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    [Pelline’s comment deleted, it didn’t take long for his hallmark snark and crap to emerge.]
    Wait a minute: All I wrote was that Paul got hoodwinked by George’s big ego, so he put him on a “rent-seeking” TV program. Word on the street is that George lost in an election to become a leader at his church. We’re tired of George and his “endless stream of ‘you know what.’” Kapiche? Paul got snookered to put George on a “rent-seeking’ TV program to provide “balance.” This is a waste of Comcast’s cable franchise fee.

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  45. Russ Steele Avatar

    George@09:23PM
    In addition to the “uneducated/uncaring voter”, which has also be called the low information voter, one has to include those on the ice-cream truck route, collecting free ice-cream cones from Uncle Sugar. In other words those voters on the government dole. They will vote for who ever promised to keep the ice-cream cones flowing. The National Lame Stream Press has already decide that it will be Hillary Clinton in the ice-cream truck and we are just 90 days into what his names term. NBC Nightly News had a whole segment on the future Clinton administration to night. Yes, with all the real news events happening in the world, the news tonight was about the future President Clinton and her administration.

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    Jeff@09:57PM
    If you only had a clue! You had better get back to your street sources, they are making you look like a fool!

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  47. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    Let us not forget that the ice cream truck also stops on Wall Street as well as Main Street, not to mention down on the farm. NO candidate can get elected without the support of large donors and now corporations unless the “uneducated/uncaring voter” suddenly gets educated and finds a third party that will represent their interests. If Obama was Bill Clinton (who was Ron Reagan light) in sheep’s clothing, then Hillary is Obama in a dress. They will all support Wall Street, the defense contractors, and the mutli-nationals with the only real difference between a Repub or a Dem being how much they try and allocate to public sector services and construction and how they pay for it. Otherwise government in America is business as usual regardless of the political party in power. Most political debate is over superfluous wedge issues that seek to divide voters into one camp or the other like persuading people to drink Pepsi or Koch, I mean Coke.

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  48. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Joe – No one has forgotten that we have crony capitalism, but at least most of Wall Street and Big Ag actually produce things of value. Washington caters to them not just because they have money, but also because of why they have money. Between big money and the sheeple, I’ll go with big money. I may not agree with them most of the time, but they at least know what the heck is going on for the most part and they actually are useful to me at some point. Big money IS dangerous to our republic, but only when the sheeple vote in govts that won’t follow the Constitution. Because the left wants a govt to print and hand out vast sums of dough, they will always end up with a govt that hands over a lot of it to big money as well as the sheeple. I may sound like a broken record, but it’s very simple. Institute a fed govt that does nothing but safeguard our liberties, stops being a provider of goods and we will have a better nation. Nothing else will work.

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  49. Barry Pruett Avatar

    Thank you to all of you who are commenting rationally and thoughtfully. Kim and I discussed the various blogs yesterday morning, and we came to the conclusion that we liked George’s blog the best. Great discussions from both sides moderated by a generally solid rationality…and generally without the bomb throwing (with the exception of Todd and Pelline). I know that Todd does it on purpose, and I can only speculate and hope that Pelline angrily throws the bombs for a calculated purpose also. Personally, I like to discuss issues here with Paul Emery who is also very rational in his thought processes. I hope that George and Paul bring this solid rationality to BB on KVMR. I truly look forward to watching the episodes. Thanks for all that you do for our community.

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