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Late yesterday afternoon we finished ‘taping’ the first installment of ‘Breaking Bread’ (BB), a new series that is to air over the coming months on NCTV Channel 11.  BB is a roundtable discussion of ideas, happenings, and current issues of broad national interest.  It is based loosely on the historical French salons which were hosted by ladies of high social rank and means during the so-called Enlightenment period that lasted from around 1740 to the start of the French Revolution in 1789.

FrenchSalonThese salons were stimulating affairs where the latest ideas in the sciences, politics, arts, religion, philosophy, and literature were presented and discussed.  The invitees were the great thinkers, artists, writers – new and established – of the age, many of whom looked forward to these sessions as much for the nourishment of their bodies as of their minds.  A salon always offered some of the finest foods and spirits with which the hostess could afford to ingratiate herself in the eyes of society.  To be invited to attend a salon was a great honor, and you can imagine the competition of who was attending which salon(s) when and with whom.

(Versions of these classic salons were continued and expanded throughout Europe and America during the 19th century.  In the late 1970s Jo Ann and I joined with a number of other couples to establish a 20th century dinner version of the salon that featured a prepared presentation of a thesis, sometimes rebutted by ‘the loyal opposition’, and then dissected by everyone until the early hours.  These dinner salons went on for years and included some very interesting people and topics.)

The most recent inspiration for BB came from our own Reinette Senum and Patricia Smith, local activists and community leaders of known repute.  After some preliminary plenary sessions under the able leadership of NCTV’s Access Coordinator Teri Hicklin, who will also direct the tapings, the program’s format was adopted and the first installments selected.  BB will be a monthly one-hour offering, (co)hosted by one or two regular hosts, and featuring two or three invited guests.  The program will consist of a civil discussion – not a debate – of the subject du jour between the host(s) and the guests.

The inaugural tranche of BB hosts are Patricia Smith (medicinal marijuana activist), Paul Emery (KVMR News Director already known to RR readers), Reinette Senum, Eric Tomb, and yours truly.   As determined by a program’s host(s), one of the other hosts may also fill a guest role on a future program.

BB’s charter is to present definitive ideological viewpoints (ranging from crisp to outrageous?) on the selected issues – equivocation will be eschewed, i.e. no daisy talk – in such a manner that a landscape can emerge from which common ground may be identified, or an understanding of what notions, ideas, values, etc still stand in the way of our coming together.  Of course, there will always be an effort to reach and identify some areas of consensus, no matter how minimal.

Yesterday’s launch was titled ‘Language and Labels’, and was moderated by Eric Tomb, a well-known bookseller, intellectual, and man about town in Nevada County.  The program’s objective was to introduce the BB hosts, outline the show’s format and future, and give a sampling of it through a discussion of how language and labels guide and constrain our perspectives and perceptions.  The airing times of this installment will be announced by NCTV.

The first Breaking Bread with guests will be ‘taped live’ on 1 May next.  The subject will be the Second Amendment, and it will be co-hosted by Paul Emery and me.

[update]  The first episode ‘Language and Labels’ was broadcast on 7 April 2013, and may be streamed from the NCTV archives from this page under Breaking Bread

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142 responses to “‘Breaking Bread’ on NCTV (updated)”

  1. Paul Emery Avatar

    No Todd
    You specifically called me a draft dodger even though I served six years in the Air Force Reserves. If that wasn’t a personal attack what is?
    From the Sierra Lizard’s blog
    Paul Emery March 27, 2013 at 6:56 PM
    So Todd was George Bush Jr and thousands of others that served in the reserves all Vietnam dodgers as well? At least I finished my service which is something that George II didn’t do.
    Todd Juvinall March 27, 2013 at 9:02 PM
    No just you Paul.
    Jeff
    I had nothing to do with George being part of the NCTV project. He volunteered to do a bi-weekly commentary for KVMR under our guidelines and has done that consistently. I offered the same opportunity to you several times but you never came through even after you said you would. Talk is cheap.

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  2. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    PaulE, perhaps your personal attacks on me finally got to me. That is the risk we all take when making accusations. You have denigrated me many times personally in the blogs and so we all get what we get. If you want to continue your attacks on me there is nothing I can do about it. But, just prepare for return fire.
    Pelline is a dweeb, Marin County beckons. LOL!

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  3. Paul Emery Avatar

    Todd
    I’m done with it. “Let it be” Or to use a more contemporary expression “whatever”.
    The County Fair heals all wounds. When we (meaning everyone) actually see each other in person we get along pretty well even with our differences. Much like the old days on election night when we would all gather at the Courthouse and wait to see the votes on election night. More times than not we would all end up having a few drinks in town and either celebrating or licking our wounds. Of course there was the Weir and Gratten Supes race in 94 that drug on to a recount for a couple weeks. You and I are probably the only ones on this blog that remember that (Crabbman excepted). Whether we like it or not we’re the old timers now.
    My main gripe with you is that you are a genetic Republican and intellectually struggle to go beyond that designation. I’ll continue to challenge you on that but hopefully without the snarkyness which I admit to.

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  4. earlcrabb Avatar

    We live in a much different world these days. I too, miss the times when we all gathered together at the courthouse (or later, the Helling Library) to watch the election results. There was at least the appearance of civility even though the differences were just as pronounced. I also miss the Wednesday political round-up with Sharon Boivin and Eric Tomb on F-CAT. Hopefully, “Breaking Bread” will fill that gap. Heck, I might even start watching NCTV again.

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  5. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    The backhanded word manipulation by PaulE is too funny. PaulE says in his 10:49
    “My main gripe with you is that you are a genetic Republican and intellectually struggle to go beyond that designation” as if he is the arbiter of my political beliefs and personal psyche. Too funny.
    I would suggest we are all more complex than our critics try to define us as. But when you are a “non-aligned” person in politics (self proclaimed) then not even GOD can compete with the words and actions. Whenever I was involved in politics I was able to sit down and have a beer after all was said and done. It was not easy since I was consistently personally attacked by my opposition and their acolytes. Hell, I was called the devil by some Ilse supporters!
    Anyway, my style is,you attack me personally, I return fire. If you keep it political then debate on that level is just fine.

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  6. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Todd,
    Your style is to call names and bring the discourse to elementary primitive levels. All you are is toe the line Republican lackey, which means in today’s Republican Party a tool for billionaires and their interests. Cutting your nose off to spite your face just to be on a “winning” team. What are youth athletes told? “It doesn’t matter if we win or lose it is how we play the game that counts”

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  7. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Paul,
    Just so you know, I thought about your generous offer to participate in KVMR but on further reflection decided it would only lend legitimacy to Rebane’s Ruminations and his outlandish views. My wife and I enjoyed seeing you “break bread” (literally) with George Rebane at Las Katarinas the other day. We turned around and headed over to Ike’s instead. Hope it has been enlightening for you, however.

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  8. Gregory Avatar

    “Your style is to call names and bring the discourse to elementary primitive levels. All you are is toe the line Republican lackey…” Ben E
    Speaking of name calling, Ben is a pot calling the kettle black here, nicely illustrated with just a few primitives.
    Ben, you and Todd are more alike than you’d like to think.

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  9. Gregory Avatar

    “JeffP 817pm – TypePad did not “kick out” any URL. What you pasted in your comment was not an URL since you omitted the ‘h’ in ‘http’.”
    Evidence, I suppose, of the high technical standards of the Pelline web business.

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  10. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Gregory,
    Trust me, it’s far more comprehensive than your understanding of most rudimentary scientific concepts.

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  11. Paul Emery Avatar

    Jeff
    Hard hitting reporting there Jeff. “Rebane and Emery (P) lunch together in a window seat in popular Nevada City restaurant. ” You got the scoop on that one for sure.
    Actually your incorrect brash assumption that I was the one responsible for George being on the NCTV piece should merit an apology especially from a journalist of your experience. A simple phone call to anyone involved would have given you the proper information.
    I am equally confused as to your stated reason not to take up my offer of a regular commentary spot on KVMR. The last time I talked to you you said you wanted to do it after finishing up a busy work cycle. I never heard from you after that and certainly you never responded as you did in this blog. Even more confusing about your stated reason is that my offer came after you publicly accused KVMR of not offering a chance for rebuttal to Georges commentaries to which I then responded to by asking you to participate.
    Sorting this out then you accused KVMR of not offering equal time. I offered you equal time but you now say you refused because it would give credibility to George? Huh…

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  12. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    KVMR is a whole lot of people mostly left and I am surprised Jeff Pelline has picked a fight with PaulE. But, a maniacal ego is more a driver for him I guess. I have always been a person who loves to debate others of opposite ilk. BenE would be too easy to whip and he knows it so he calls names and whines a lot.
    I would suggest BenE and JeffP book some time debating George and Paul but my guess is they are chicken.

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  13. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Paul,
    Just to clear this up, you only offered equal time when I (and others) brought up the issue of George being on your “news” show. And after listening to more of George’s KVMR “commentary” that you put on the “news” hour, I decided that I didn’t want to participate. In fact, I have passed on my sentiments about your program to the folks who asked us to donate to the capital campaign. I just don’t like your news judgment. Sorry. Hope we can agree to disagree. Enjoy “breaking bread” with George (literally and on the show)!

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  14. Paul Emery Avatar

    Jeff, can you explain to me why you never bothered to contact me directly about your reasons not to do a KVMR commentary? The last I heard from you about it was that you wanted to do it but were too busy to start immediately and we agreed to get together soon after to discuss details. I thought you were just a flake but now I find you had deeper reasons not to participate. It would have only taken a phone call or an email to clarify the situation to me at the time. The fact is I held a space for you for several weeks based on your stated desire to contribute. Passing on sentiments to third parties months later (which were never passed on to me) is a weak dodge for sure.
    Also I would still like at least a recognition that you shot from the hip in linking me to George’s invite to NCTV that is factually untrue.

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  15. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Paul, not a productive use of my time (like commenting here). My views have been influenced since then by the “commentary” on the “news hour” (which really belongs on a separate program) as well as this blog and its commenters. Some people think you have become “left-wing window dressing” for extreme right-wing views. I would not want to condone that.
    As for NCTV, how could you not think you played a major role in bringing George onto the show? You have “led by example” on your own “news” program; you break bread; you are going to be the first co-hosts of a program. Did you invite George onto the show? No, I apologize if I somehow implied that. But to suggest you had no role is disingenuous. In my mind and others, you are helping to legitimize extremist, polarizing views in our community.
    Most of us, including some moderate GOPers, think the community has moved away from this (and feel the same way about extremism on the left).

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  16. Paul Emery Avatar

    Jeff
    I was the last one invited to the party (Breaking Bread). I suggest you talk to NCTV’s Access Coordinator Teri Hicklin about the origins of the program before making any assumptions. We are going to be the first co-hosts because of our different viewpoints on gun control.
    You sure make me feel like an chump for trying to accommodate your concerns about unbalanced viewpoints (Rebane) and then don’t even extend me the courtesy of a phone call or email explaining why you changed your mind about being a commentator.
    As far as commentary being on a separate program does that mean guest editorials should not be included in a newspaper?

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  17. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Paul,
    It’s not about being “invited” to the party, it’s about influencing the party. You do this regularly by legitimizing extremist, polarizing views on KVMR’s “news hour.” You facilitate it on our community radio station. If KNCO management, its board and listeners condone it, more power to them. I just don’t agree (and as I’m sure you know, am not alone). You should really invite the leader of Communist Party USA on the news hour to provide balance. As for your show, it is your job to pick up the phone and send emails to line up your guests. It wasn’t a high priority or I’d have heard from you a long time ago. Let’s be honest: You’re perfectly comfortable with your “news” format. So go for it! Not sure I understand your newspaper analogy. KVMR is the newspaper, not your news program. It has a slot for George’s show, just like the others, on its “news pages.” Your news program is just one “cog” in the KVMR “wheel.”

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  18. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    LOOKS LIKE “BREAKING BREAD” MEANS BREAKING IT OVER PAUL’S HEAD BY PELLINE. WHAT A HOOT!

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  19. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Todd,
    Your “caps lock” key is locked.

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  20. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Yep.

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  21. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Todd,
    I hear your brother is a very talented tiler — and your polar opposite. Is it OK if we invite him over to “break bread”?

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  22. George Rebane Avatar

    JeffP 725pm – Not sure that any of these comments which you claim (252pm) “are not a productive use of my time” really contribute to this post. Perhaps your conversation threads are best moved to your own blog to regain lost productivity.

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  23. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Which explains the difference between a Ph.D. lecturer and a Ph.D. who made it to full professor. All the best to you, too!

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  24. George Rebane Avatar

    JeffP 920pm – “lecturer”, “full professor”?? that is an extremely stupid remark that continues to make it sound that whatever the topic, you haven’t a clue about what you are talking. Vaya con Dios.

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  25. Gregory Avatar

    “Gregory,
    Trust me, it’s far more comprehensive than your understanding of most rudimentary scientific concepts.”
    The guy with a BA in Rhetoric farts again! Trust me, Jeff, unlike you, my education isn’t in Bullsh*tting and your understanding of climate issues is rooted in rhetoric and politics, not science.
    Sorry for being late to the party; been busy.
    It was classic how you went right on the offensive, both to George about your malformed posted url, to me and now I see you’ve picked a fight with Paul E.
    Yet another global warming dig from Pelline. Now even Seth Borenstein is reporting a fresh determination the drought last year was just weather, and the Washington Post reports public opinion dropping another big notch in the last six months, from 39 to 33%, of people in the US thinking it’s a serious problem and it isn’t serious; the anthropogenic contribution is small compared to natural variations.
    Reality. What a concept. It’s a shame you never bothered to learn much about it, Jeff.

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  26. Gregory Avatar

    “Paul, It’s not about being “invited” to the party, it’s about influencing the party. You do this regularly by legitimizing extremist, polarizing views on KVMR’s “news hour.”
    I think this is the key to Pelline’s tactics here. Talking to someone like Rebane is legitimizing “extremist, polarizing views”, and, Pelline sets himself up as the ‘moderate middle’.
    That he’d admit he actually left Maria’s to sup elsewhere, just because he couldn’t stomach being in the same location as Paul and George breaking bread, speaks volumes to how he thinks. Or doesn’t think.

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  27. Paul Emery Avatar

    Gregory
    It was Las Katrinas in Nevada City.
    Pelline is an odd one. He’s a capable journalist whose blog adds to our information sources in Nevada County but seems to have a incorrigible ego and no sense of humor. After I offered him an equal time slot on KVMR for a commentary his last response to me was, and I quote from his email
    “Hi Paul,
    I haven’t forgotten and am still interested. I have three projects going now…….”Let’s plan on getting together in early March.”
    Thanks.
    It’s one thing to respectfully bow out with an explanation or just to be a flake and not follow up (which is what I believed) and another to be a flake and later claim some grand moral dilemma after talking with his wife that emerged over a year later only when challenged in this blog.

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  28. Gregory Avatar

    I just caught up over at Dr. Curry’s blog, and she devoted an entire thread to The Economist article I linked earlier in this session. Apparently, the author is the brand new editor for energy and the environment at The Economist, and Curry (the chair of her department at Georgia Tech) singled out this paragraph:

    “The mismatch might mean that—for some unexplained reason—there has been a temporary lag between more carbon dioxide and higher temperatures in 2000-10. Or it might be that the 1990s, when temperatures were rising fast, was the anomalous period. Or, as an increasing body of research is suggesting, it may be that the climate is responding to higher concentrations of carbon dioxide in ways that had not been properly understood before. This possibility, if true, could have profound significance both for climate science and for environmental and social policy.”
    [gg-my bold]
    Jeff should read it, not that he’d admit to it if he did.
    http://judithcurry.com/2013/03/31/uk-msm-on-climate-sensitivity

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  29. Gregory Avatar

    Paul, thanks for catching the brain fart. It makes more sense, geographically and situationally… it would be impossible for him to ignore you and Rebane at Las Katerinas.
    An odd one indeed. While he is quite capable of stringing words together, it’s an epic fail when considering journalistic ethics and standards. Here’s a summation worth considering:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism_ethics_and_standards#Common_elements

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  30. Gregory Avatar

    “You should really invite the leader of Communist Party USA on the news hour to provide balance.”
    -Pelline to Emery about balancing out George Rebane at KVMR.
    It’s bizarre how Pelline fixates on Rebane being hard right while he just doesn’t see George is arguably less to the right than Pelline is to the left. What passes for “moderate” among Baghdad by the Bay expatriates is decidedly left to the rest of the country.

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  31. earlcrabb Avatar

    Paul and I have had similar experiences with the former editor. His lack of tolerance for any opinion other than his own is well known to those of us who beg to differ. You’d think he would welcome opposing views to reinforce his own beliefs, yet his answer is to “shut up”, “get out” and “pound lettuce”.
    And where are these moderate Republicans he keeps talking about? Are they being censored by some vast conspiracy involving The Union and KVMR? Paul and I have our differences with George’s politics, but we can discuss it over lunch without a food fight. Pelline can’t even stand to be in the same room.

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  32. Paul Emery Avatar

    Gregory
    I don’t see Pelline being to the “left” at all. Hardly a peep from him on the unfortunate situation the County has placed Medical Marijuana providers. Of course that was ignored by the TP types and phoney “conservatives” as well as well but well supported by the Libertarians and progressives.

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  33. Gregory Avatar

    Paul 5:50, someone in the middle won’t preface every mention of the right by “extreme”, and they’ll generally find as much fault with right-conservatives as with left-liberals.
    Can you show me where Pelline has had any serious misgivings about any Democratic initiative? Any concern about our state spending itself into oblivion? Perhaps a discouraging word about public employee unions? Some indication of being in the middle besides ignoring a local pot issue?

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  34. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    My, my. This is more like Breaking Wind than Breaking Bread. The more I consider the topic, Breaking Break is a great idea. People sitting around discussing the issues of our times like people did in days of yore. Do not see any downside to it.
    Don’t know why one postrer crawled out of the woodwork to vent some venom. Maybe that poster just wants to rip on Paul for entering enemy terrority. Don’t know why that would get under his skin, but who knows what darkness lurches in the recesses of the mind. Glad to hear repeately that someone has never been happier. Grand news. Heard more than once certain types are jolly.
    Then again, some folks simply do not have the tools forgive and forget and move on. After awhile they become permantely stuck on stupid. Wasting so much energy on reliving petty hurts and slights. Time to drop the rock. Think it was Solemn who said it is to a man’s honor to overlook an insult.
    I am most pleased that Paul and Dr. Rebane appear not to be one those sad characters and I truly hope Breaking Bread will be enlighting if one has an open mind. Might even watch it on some podcast.

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  35. Barry Pruett Avatar

    Paul or George: Do you have a link to the first episode?

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  36. George Rebane Avatar

    BarryP 736am – Sorry for my oversight Barry. NCTV is showing the first episode again today 13apr13 at 5pm. You can also access this episode from the NCTV archives here –
    http://www.nevadacountytv.org/pages/node/82

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  37. Paul Emery Avatar

    I stand corrected on my assertion that Sierra Foothills Report was not covering the ongoing news about the Marijuana Cultivation Ordinance. It has indeed been well covered and discussed on those pages.
    I’m still perplexed that the TP’s stayed home on that one watching from the sidelines while the County passed an ordinance essentially giving the Sheriffs office the right to check out the Petunias in your back yard to see if they pass the sniff test.

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  38. Gregory Avatar

    Paul, you might recall that some TP types, including Russ Steele, thought that local tech companies were enabling the local druggies culture by not requiring their engineers to piss in the cup on a regular basis to prove they weren’t making whoopie with the wrong substances.
    Many conservatives have a real authoritarian streak when it comes to drugs.

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  39. George Rebane Avatar

    After years of agonizing, I am on record since 2008 for legalizing drugs.
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2008/12/off-the-fence-about-drugs.html
    However, as a conservetarian, I don’t cater to having more of my freedoms and rights removed or constrained – e.g. re guns, car safety devices, etc – because another drug/alcohol crazed asshole committed some outrageous act. In short, don’t tighten the screws on the sober law abiding ones with the argument that such tighter screws MIGHT prevent another crazy from hurting people when he goes unstable. Just shoot the crazy, and file it under the cost of legalizing drugs.
    Perhaps this solution is too simple and straightforward.

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  40. Gregory Avatar

    George, better late than never. Here’s a pothead no one wanted to have shot:
    “In 1954 Louis published a book titled, Satchmo: My Life in New Orleans. Village Voice jazz critic Gary Giddins reveals that Joe Glaser, an Al Capone acolyte who was Armstrong’s manager later in his career, suppressed parts of the book that dealt with marijuana. Armstrong planned to publish a sequel which he said he would call “Gage”–slang for marijuana. He said, at one point, “This whole second book might be about nothing but gage.””
    http://www.veryimportantpotheads.com/armstrong.htm
    I recall a CHP grand pooh-bah declaring in the late ’70’s that pot would be legalized as soon as they had an test that could be reasonably used to determine the limits of sobriety for driving. In any case, I doubt Pops would have been a better musician without getting loaded and might have been forgettable; as a lesser musician, I listen to his early improvisations and am still in awe. Somewhere I’ve a recording of him with Kid Ory and company playing Ory’s Muskat Ramble (recycled as the “I’m Fixing to Die Rag” in the ’60’s by Country Joe and the Fish) in the ’20’s. Bloody amazing.

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  41. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 1231pm – could this be the recording?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoEtrHPUN_I

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  42. Gregory Avatar

    That’s the one, though I’ve been convinced the inspiration for the name was from the wine grape, not a rodent. More muscatel and bad spelling in early 20th century New Orleans than muskrats:
    “Pianist and peck-horn player Walter “Fats” Pichon said that he had played the tune with Ory’s band back around Basin Street in New Orleans about 1919, and it was then called “Muscat Ramble”, named after the wine favored around there.”

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