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George Rebane

TV weathercasters will soon need AGW certification if they want to talk about climate change on the air, according to a new initiative started by a South Carolina meteorologist.  On National Propaganda Radio this morning was a segment on climate change lamenting that it’s not getting much traction in the public mind lately.  The piece made clear that there was only science behind promoting the ‘reality’ of AGW, and just “disgruntled” troglodytes who refuse to accept truth.  Nowhere was there a hint that the debate is not over, or that there were any material weaknesses in the popularized AGW case (here).

So, to bring the public around to a more compliant stance on AGW, there is work afoot for broadcast weathercasters to get certified on climate change before they can talk about it on their weather forecasts.  Of course, certification will require that you swallow Team Gore’s version of the UN’s IPCC reports hook, line, and sinker.  As for the public, we recall the song from South Pacific, “… they must be carefully taught.”

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Public debate, as often reflected in the blogs, seldom leads one away from heat to light.  In the 19feb13 WSJ’s section on healthcare you can see blaring examples of dysfunctional discussions.  For example, “Should all women over 40 get annual mammograms?” is answered YES with “catching cancer early improves odds of beating it”, and NO with “the benefits are small but the costs can be great.”  Now there’s a case of apples and oranges that is oh so common in the public round.  The winner of such debates will be determined by hyperbole, emotion, and repetition.  And some idiot legislator will then introduce a bill to get government involved at great cost to most, with resulting benefits to the fewest.

No one, it seems, can gather their wits and ask ‘what objective are we trying to achieve with mammograms?’  A quantifiable answer to that would definitely refine the responses and expose the charlatans in the ensuing discussion.  But that kind of process makes it much harder to manage the sheeple.  (For more, google ‘Principled Negotiation’ or here on RR.)

Tonight at the Grass Valley Veterans Center is the Oathkeepers presentation given by co-founder Stewart Rhodes that I reported on last Friday.

Administrivia – I’m now in the heat of finalizing the test and solution versions of TechTest2013 that always requires a lot of equations and figures (see past tests here).  The test will be given at NUHS on 23 March 2013.   Until this effort is put to bed, I may be a bit tardy in my usually pithy comment responses, and also infrequent in new postings of the high quality RR readers have come to expect 😉

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27 responses to “Ruminations – 19feb13”

  1. Fuzz Avatar
    Fuzz

    George, good luck on TechTest2013.  After a bit of research, I am more concerned about these “Patriot” movements than ever.  There are apparently hundreds of these groups and it appears there is some effort towards a grand convergence.  We live in a nation of established law and institutions, and this desire to self-define what is constitutional is fraught with danger.  Extremist zeal + ignorance + frustration + heavy weapons = recipe for insurrection + anarchy.  As an example, the Colorado House just passed gun control legislation that restricts magazine capacity to 15 rounds and requires background checks for ALL gun sales.  (Still has to get through their Senate.)  Are Oathkeeper Colorado law enforcement going to enforce this law?  What happens when one of them is charged with dereliction of duty for non-enforcement…… are his Oathkeeper comrades going to come to some sort of armed defense?  Another example:  it is illegal in this country to own a fully automatic weapon, but I can buy an AR-15, a Slide Fire stock, and a 100 round magazine, and I have the functional equivalent of a full auto machine gun.  100 rounds in 7 sec. is a machine gun!  (I can’t believe ATF allowed this stock… it’s a pure technicality because it doesn’t use a mechanical means to continue fire.)  Now, if Senator Feinstein gets this stock banned, are Oathkeeper law enforcement going to enforce it?  If some demented sociopath, with no prior record, gets a Slide Fire SSAR-15, with a Valkyrie belt feed, sticks his barrel through an elementary school fence, and mows down 60 children at recess, are Oathkeepers and the NRA going to have anything rational to say???  The desired result of most of the gun control legislation being considered is to prevent killers from BECOMING KILLING MACHINES!  You can still duck hunt, deer hunt, target shoot, and have a reasonable self defense weapon, but pardon me, while I cry crocodile tears, if you DON’T get to be Rambo!   Perhaps you could raise some of these concerns at tonight’s meeting.  

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  2. Fuzz Avatar
    Fuzz

    Read the following link (Google result) to get some idea of this thinking.  What scares me is the example of these two misguided youth, especially the one whose goal in life is to save up enough to get a .50 cal sniper rifle (2500yd. range….$5200).  What is he going to do with that? …… sit on a ridge top and pick off Highway Patrolmen?  These “Patriot” groups, while perhaps having some commendable views, provide an organization and structure that can also facilitate paranoia.  If these groups start to become proactive in a provocative way, this will raise the attention of regular citizens who still favor adherence to established law.  If something is really “unconstitutional”, it needs to be challenged in court and ultimately let SCOTUS decide.  You may not like the result, but it’s the law.  The Oathkeepers claim “they don’t advocate or promote violence toward any organization, group, or person” but who among them decides when the line is crossed?  The sophistication of the leadership is not necessarily that of the mass of followers.  
    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/03/oath-keepers

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  3. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    RE: NPR – National Propaganda radio — Yes indeed.. an example of NPR propaganda– a two year study of NPR political talk show guests (2007 & 08) by Fairness and Accuracy in Media found that every liberal guest was countered by a conservative guest, but conservative guests were always by themselves with no guests holding opposing viewpoints. All they did was count heads and categorize guests based on writings and employers. This was during GWB’s last term and reflected the people he appointed to NPR’s board and the policies they set. Presidents typically appoint people from the broadcasting industry to those boards which automatically gives NPR a corporate slant, which was the exact reason why NPR and PBS were created in the first place.. to have a media source that was non-commercial and thus would have no conflict of interests with advertisers as so often occurs today.

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  4. George Rebane Avatar

    I notice that the big worry of the progressives is again that people on the Right will go nuts with their firearms whose only purpose in exceptional America is duck hunting and home protection (both roles being constructively removed if current legislation passes). The above cartoon attempts to capture that mindset. Kinda makes all the previous discussion on guns moot, doesn’t it?

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  5. Fuzz Avatar
    Fuzz

    “I notice that the big worry of the progressives is again that people on the Right will go nuts with their firearms whose only purpose in exceptional America is duck hunting and home protection (both roles being constructively removed if current legislation passes).”
    George, you are better than this. NOBODY is proposing ANYTHING that would affect duck hunting! Duck guns can’t hold more than 3 rounds. The Colorado law, for instance, limits shotguns to 8 rounds! Duck hunters will operate as if the phrase “gun control” never existed. They follow the same rules they’ve had since probably the ’30s.
    I used to hunt ducks. We would freeze them until we had enough for a duck feed and then cook them in the oven in roasting bags so it preserved all the juices. Then we would drain the juice into a saucepan and skim off what fat we could. Then we would add one small jar of red currant jelly and simmer that mixture until it reduced a bit. A nice slice of duck breast with that sauce was one of the best things you ever ate.
    ……now, back to fighting about gun control 🙂

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  6. Gregory Avatar

    FAIR isn’t, apparently being somewhere to the left of Mother Jones. It’s hilarious they’ve decided NPR was slanted towards corporations. “All they did was count heads and categorize guests based on writings and employers”. No doubt from their own perspective, not a mainstream one.
    BTW my money is on Fuzz being a sock from Doug Keachie’s bag of tricks and dirty laundry; he has a long history of ducking out under a known name while popping back in with a fresh avatar. Only Fuzz knows for sure but it’s looking like Keach fuzz the longer it lingers.

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  7. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Fuzz be funny – “and this desire to self-define what is constitutional is fraught with danger.”
    Maybe we can pass a law to restrict Fuzz and his kind from blogging or posting on blogs or even writing letters to the editor. Are you OK with that Fuzz or do you think it would be – wait for it – un Constitutional? And just who are you to say that isn’t square with the founding fathers until the Supremes have a go at it? Or is it OK for YOU to say what is Constitutional and not those you disagree with?
    “sit on a ridge top and pick off Highway Patrolmen” – The CHP has enough problems with cretins pulling 45s from under their car seats. Please try to stay in reality land there Fuzz.

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  8. Fuzz Avatar
    Fuzz

    HA!! ….. I be not Keach Fuzz, and I don’t know anyone on this blog. (I’ll remain anonymous so nobody puts me on a right wing hit list 🙂 I wouldn’t presume to say what’s constitutional from a formal legal perspective, and I don’t want other unqualifieds doing that either. Even as I type, George is commiserating with the troops at the Vets Hall. We’ll find out tomorrow if they’ve declared war on anyone to the left of Dick Cheney …………. just kidding!

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  9. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Maybe Obama will invite Dick Cheney to go skeet shooting.

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  10. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    I find it interesting that information from a non-profit media watchdog that does simple content analysis (counting heads etc) can be dismissed as bias when information from Limbaush, Drudge, Beck, O’Reilly, etc. is the gospel. This mode of thinking is reflected in dissonance theory–when confronted with information that conflicts with our own views it creates mental discomfort (dissonance). The very first thing a person will do in order to quiet that dissonance is to discredit the source of the information. The reasoning goes that if you can dismiss the source, you can dismiss the claim without further investigation into the truth of the matter. This is the reason for the “liberal bias” myth, to allow conservatives a way to dismiss any information that disagrees with their point of view even if it is the truth. One continually sees examples of this on these pages every time someone posts information disagreeable to the right. Another interesting poll: only 8% of the population currently identifies with Tea Party ideals and positions.. truly a fringe minority. One would think, given all the noise and media coverage that TPers get, that those are the shared views of half the population. Talk about bias.

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  11. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    “it is illegal in this country to own a fully automatic weapon”
    Sorry,, that is FAR from true. In MANY states, “full auto” weapons
    are legal if you do the proper paperwork.( and you can afford to buy it) Arizona is one of them,
    and so is Nevada.
    You would know this if you have ever set foot in Cabela’s in Reno.
    There have been M60s for sale to people with the proper paperwork.
    Ever hear of a Calico? Those were available at one time too. ( the secret service used those to protect presidents)
    Maybe the “country” Fuzzy Wuzzy is thinking of is Ca. Ca.is one of those states that believes the Constitution and Bill o rights does not apply to them.
    I was at the Reno gun show last week, and a model 1919 30 cal, belt fed, was there. ( minus the side plate) 3 grand, and it could be yours.
    Too bad Fuzzy Wuzzy,, the facts don’t fit your claim.

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  12. George Rebane Avatar

    JoeK 929am – I don’t know of any conservatives (including those commenting here) who take as “gospel” the words of your listed conservative pundits. I know that I don’t (as these pages attest), and neither should you.

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  13. Gregory Avatar

    “Koyote”, a partisan non-profit is still partisan. They’re grinding axes.

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  14. Gregory Avatar

    … and as far as your “Limbaush, Drudge, Beck, O’Reilly, etc. is the gospel” slam, I’ve never cited any of them, nor can I stand the last two enough to listen to them for more than a couple minutes in passing.
    I try to dive for Pew if I’m making a leftish point, or Rasmussen if a righty point, as sources of honest, information precisely because citing the shamelessly partisan does nothing. Don’t cite an MSLSD story to convince a Republican or a Fox story to convince a Dem (however, it should be noted a Pew Research piece not long ago found MSNBC to be twice as biased as Fox News is).

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  15. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Need proof the cops give lip service to illegal weapons violations?
    Read the story in our local fish wrap. A city employee steals city
    property and sells it at a pawn shop. Then found with a stolen gun with the serial number removed.. And all he gets at this point is a 10 grand bail?
    How many years will he get for that stolen gun? ( no less than 6 years behind bars is my call) Only time will tell. Somehow 6 mo. and probation seems to be the norm. ( and will have another gun within a week of getting out)

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  16. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    Who determines what is partisan or not? Why all the partisans, you and I. We all seek information from sources that paint a picture of the world that we prefer and label contradictions as bias. We all suffer from dissonance and seek ways to stop it regardless of political affiliation. That is the problem.. Our brains seek balance more than truth because sometimes the truth is too disconcerting.

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  17. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    This is what LIB news didn’t tell you about the Oregon mall shooting.
    Here is the words from the guy that drew down on the shooter.
    “”I heard three shots and turned and looked at Casey and said, ‘are you serious?,’” he said.
    The friend and baby hit the floor. Meli, who has a concealed carry permit, positioned himself behind a pillar.
    “He was working on his rifle,” said Meli. “He kept pulling the charging handle and hitting the side.”
    The break in gunfire allowed Meli to pull out his own gun, but he never took his eyes off the shooter.
    “As I was going down to pull, I saw someone in the back of the Charlotte move, and I knew if I fired and missed, I could hit them,” he said.
    Meli took cover inside a nearby store. He never pulled the trigger. He stands by that decision.
    “I’m not beating myself up cause I didn’t shoot him,” said Meli. “I know after he saw me, I think the last shot he fired was the one he used on himself.”
    The gunman was dead, but not before taking two innocent lives with him and taking the innocence of everyone else.”
    It sure looks like a citizen with a CWP aided in stopping the carnage.
    That sure puts some holes in the sails of the anti gun rant.
    How come I get the impression that the anti gun Progressives would want the citizen booked on murder charges if he had actually pulled the trigger.
    ” He was just a disturbed individual, and there was no need to kill him.
    And the shot that he took may have harmed another innocent person” That is the Libby mindset we deal with today…..

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  18. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    Quite a turn around for MSNBC taking the bias crown from FOX. Maybe they are trying to re-position themselves in the marketplace as the voice of the left. If you will recall, they fired Phil Donahue, who had their highest rated show, because he expressed anti- Iraq war sentiments. They replaced his show with a show titled “countdown to war” (or something similar) to cheerlead invading Iraq, not mentioning how much money their then parent company GE (now 51% Comcast as Comcast is vertically integrating and going in the content business) stood to make off selling war machines and parts. Conflict of interest? The lamestream is a total conflict of interest from top to bottom.

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  19. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    I don’t recall FOX ever having that ” crown”. LIB controlled media
    has a LONG history of bias. It goes all the way back to when a “major” news outlet faked a gas tank explosion to slam Ford.( At least I think it was Ford..) Then some minor fibs here and there.
    How many doctored tapes from the likes of MSNBC have come to light?
    Trayvon Martin ring a bell? And even since then other tapes have been messed with. ( And even last week a Conservative’s words were “F”ed with.)
    You gotta love the tenacity of the Left. They say ” FOX LIES!!”,,, but can’t show where, or how.( Now dig hard and deep to find something. Who knows,, you may actually find some obscure story they flubbed on)

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  20. Fuzz Avatar
    Fuzz

    Walt, I only have knowledge of California. I assumed it extended to all states and stand corrected. Can you expand on the “paperwork” involved. I can’t imagine what justification there would be for a civilian full auto weapon. (Of course, a Slide Fire essentially gets you there if that’s what you want.) So, where does this end? If someone really wants to fight “tyranny”, how about a grenade launcher? ….and if you say, “come on, that’s going too far”, my reply is, why?….. are you making a moral judgement about my destructive power? If so, how do you make distinctions? Now there’s a guy in the Missouri state gov. who wants to make it a class D felony if you even PROPOSE gun control legislation! ….now think carefully about that….the right wing, “the party of liberty”, wants to shut down your right to even address a perceived national problem. Imagine, in one of the fracking states, if they passed a law making it a felony to propose “environmental” legislation. Politicians have to tread very carefully along this line of action…..don’t cut someone’s nose off and then try to hand them a rose at election time.
    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/state-local-politicians-attempt-preempt-federal-gun-laws-174232577–politics.html

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  21. George Rebane Avatar

    Fuzz 205pm – can you wrap your mind around the notion of par force to see if that might inform you “where does this end?”
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2008/04/par-force-an-un.html
    As many wiser heads than mine have informed us over the years, a democracy will transform itself into a tyranny when half the people realize they can vote themselves money out of the pockets of the other half. We are now at that point where the voting booth can accelerate the end of our Republic. And you can guess who wants to stuff those booths with idiot voters ranging from 17-year-olds, through unverifiable instant ‘register then vote’ schemes, to the ‘President’s stash’ ladies of Detroit.

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  22. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    You are a funny guy, Fuzz. “Now there’s a guy in the Missouri state gov. who wants to make it a class D felony if you even PROPOSE gun control legislation! ….now think carefully about that….the right wing, “the party of liberty”, wants to shut down your right to even address a perceived national problem.”
    One guy equals the entire party? And when did the Rs become all right wing? Is this an example of left wing ‘careful thinking’? Hopeless.

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  23. L Avatar
    L

    Joe “Fuzzy” Keach, listen up. There is no such thing as a “non-profit” organization. They are run as Sub-S corporations. To wit, they pay their employees whatever. If the coming year looks good, they disappear the “profits” by giving themselves (and if they’re smart, their employees) raises and “bonuses” to soak up any likely profit. Yeah, the recepients will pay higher income taxes on the increased income, but the purpose of Sub-S corps (which make up the vast majority of organized businesses in the US, is to avoid double taxation. No, Keach, there is no such thing as a “non profit,” that appelation is designed to make idiots like yourself believe that thes folks are only concerned with community betterment. Dream on… L

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  24. L Avatar
    L

    How do I know this? Because my partner and I ran one for twenty years, occupying office at the extreme north end of Santa Monica’s Ocean Park on the pallisades. And we had the best office space, the best health insurance and free phone calls and great cars, free gasoline, etc, etc. Nothing wrong with any of this, we paid our taxes according to the rules. If people were all like you in their thinking, that successful business couldn’t have existed. I wouldn’t have been prepared to put in the hours or endure the 24-hour coast-to-coast airline trips that the business entailed. So, Keach, go back to disinforming our progeny about what works and what doesn’t… L

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  25. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Ya’ gotta love,”I only have knowledge of California. I assumed it extended to all states” Sorry to inform you, Ca. does not equal “the rest of the nation”. We are the laughing stock “of the rest of the nation”.
    OH… CA. would love to impose it’s Unicorn ideals on the rest of the nation.
    And I applaud the MO. proposed law. It puts some teeth into ” shall not be infringed”.
    Unlike here in Ca. where they are trying to ban one kind of gun,, and if they do, what will stop them from banning “another” kind of gun?
    I can hear it now.” NO… They will only stop at assault weapons”. Funny…
    I remember vary clearly..” NO.. They are not going to take your guns away”.
    How is that working out? Ca. is looking to pass that CONFISCATION BILL as we speak.
    As it is right now, we are losing our Liberty, and rights one “bill” at a time. “Death by a thousand cuts” sums it up good.
    Next time get your facts at least half assed correct before making yourself look even more stupid.
    BTW,, The list of weapons and ammo suppliers that now refuse to sell to anti gun state governments has grown even bigger. If the citizen can’t buy or own it, the state can’t receive them eather.
    Armalite stopped selling to Ca. LONG ago.
    So fuzzy,, Going to turn in your guns because “the man” told you too?
    ( Just like a hippy would turn in his exta pound of weed because the law said he was over his limit)

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  26. Fuzz Avatar
    Fuzz

    Scott, most Republicans are “right”.  I use that sweeping generalization like the shout I hear at the mere mention of “gun control”…..”they’re trying to take away our 2nd Amendment rights!”  That’s like saying, if the government banned Ferrari’s, “…they’re trying to take away our right to drive cars!”  (….funny, the freeway still looks full to me….don’t see no Ferrari’s)  
    Walt, you can call me stupid all you want.  I’m probably older than you, I love my country as much as any “Patriot”,  I’m a veteran, I’ve owned about 15 different firearms; I still have a FINE Sako deer rifle and Browning .22; and I may pick up an S&W mountain revolver for lion protection while hiking.  It wouldn’t bother me one bit if every civilian assault rifle, machine gun, and ridiculously big magazine just disappeared.  Am I worried about losing my firearms?…. not at all.  Should the Cal legislature pass confiscation for all 166,000 registered assault rifles? …… you probably WOULD have armed insurrection then.  How about a buy-back program at double the retail price.  If the non-existence of assault rifles prevents even one horrific mass shooting, it’s fine with me.  Australia banned them in 1996 and since then they haven’t had one mass shooting.  (Just saw former Australian prime minister John Howard discussing this on TV.) You’re always going to have the one-on-one type shooting.  We’ll never be able get control down that low because we do have, and deserve, the 2nd Amendment.  
    You’ll be glad to hear that I’m saying Adios to this blog.  I’ve said my piece on this topic because I feel passionate about it.  I wish you guys well in the future.  

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  27. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Buy back fuzz??? LOL!!!! Obviously you don’t pay an ounce of attention.
    THAT is one of the proposed laws!! Except it’s a “tax credit”…NO real monetary value. And just like your Libby predecessor said just last year.
    ” They are not trying to take your guns.” OH YES THEY ARE… Never mind that the “EVIL” black guns account for less than 2% of all shootings, that’s the target of choice. Ever see those security cam footage of crimes? They are on the tube on a nightly basis.. Just which gun is in that hoody wearing thug?
    Usually a revolver or a sawed off scatter gun, and maybe an occasional semi auto hand gun.
    Now to Ca. Long ago we passed that minimum 3 year sentence for use of a gun during a crime. That sure slowed things down,,, didn’t it? ( NO )Now we are turning them loose on the streets and whining about overcrowding the jails.
    Then we passed that “waiting period” to deter killings.. That didn’t stop things either. But many a death can be attributed TO it, like women who were in fear of their life from an ex boyfriend or husband. The were killed before that “waiting period” to expire. So in MY opinion , these waiting periods are the cause of more deaths than they are supposed to stop.
    Great Lib Progressive reasoning…
    BTW,, Don’t let the door hit ya’ where the good Lord split ya’,,, Fuzz,,,
    So I guess that means Keach will show up out of the blue for some unexplained reason.

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