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The prestigious national newspaper Investor’s Business Daily has now picked up the alarm about the feds’ enormous ammo and gun buys.  (RR readers were made aware of these developments months ago.)  All of the weaponry is designated for in-country use in the US, and amounts involved are enough to support the Iraq war use rate (5.5M rounds per month) to continue that level of combat for 24 years.  (H/T to reader)

MIT mavens in artificial intelligence acknowledge that AI (robots) will permanently kill jobs while increasing the nation’s productivity as they replace humans.  This has been a longstanding area of interest on RR (see Singularity Signposts) for the last several years, recently culminating in a series on the economic impact of productivity growth on unemployment given the government imposed slow growth that is planned for the remainder of this decade.  It is also heartening for me to finally hear corroboration of the thesis that such intelligent machines “could create more inequality.”  The message here has been ‘bet on it’ (here and here).

This should not be a matter of joy to anyone.  Those who can design and work with such machines will prosper, and prosper magnificently.  Those who have to compete with them will suffer the fate of ‘John Henry, the Steel Drivin’ Man’.  Congress is still in denial about this future, but it is good to at least see academics of the technical stripe pick up on this and start making public statements (example here).
 

Obamacare is now an identified and almost universally recognized albatrsos hung around the nation’s neck.  As more and more of it comes to light and is implemented, the disastrous numbers continue to roll in about its impact on America’s healthcare and overall economy.  One thing is certain, EVERY benefit that this new Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, starting with its cynical name, has turned out to be a bald-faced lie.  Nothing salutary of it remains except the cries of a few true believers in his second coming, and, of course, all those legions of new government workers hired to bilk their fellow citizens.

Recently even the quantitative comparisons with many European socialized healthcare systems have been cast in doubt with the revelation that it takes an extra envelope stuffed with cash passed under the table to a physician or administrator to be approved for a procedure, moved up in the que, or actually have the service performed.  These bribes are called “informal payments’ and have been the norm for decades in underfunded nationalized health systems with poorly paid workers.  As such national healthcare systems start suffering cutbacks, this practice is also spreading to the richer countries.  In any case, it’s hard to compare costs in the face of such dealings.  One is reminded of attempting to equate unemployment rates between nations practicing various levels of socialism and/or communism.  About the future of Obamacare no one should be surprised.

[update]  Burnished bullshit.  That is about the best that can be said for the YubaNet reported study by Glantz and Grana of UCSF.  The connection between the Tea Party and the tobacco industry and/or "tobacco interests" is utter nonsense and no more intimate than the celebrated fact that literally any two people on earth can be joined by no more than 'six degrees of separation' or six links on the grand sociogram of the world.  Here's their strong point from YubaNet's breathless report –

"From previously secret tobacco industry
documents available at the UCSF Legacy Tobacco Documents Library, IRS
filings and other publicly available documents, the study authors traced
a decades-long chain of personal, corporate and financial relationships
between tobacco companies, tobacco industry lobbying and public
relations firms and nonprofit organizations associated with the Tea
Party."

Study authors Glantz and Grana are cheap-shot demogauges of the worst kind – i.e. they generate their politically motivated progressive pap on taxpayer dollars.  The connection from which they weave their egregious relationship (conspiracy?) is that the nation's tea parties have, of course, used the imagery that has come to represent the historical occasion in Boston harbor.  That imagery was apparently also used by 'tobacco interests' in promoting their industry.  And that is the thread these liberal 'scholars' use to sew together today's tea partiers and the evil tobacco industry.

That leftwing blogs like YubaNet gleefully publish and give full credence to such studies points clearly to the other layer of manure that the lamestream and liberal echo chambers have been coating the countryside with – the tea parties are history, pay no attention to the little burble they caused in 2010, everything is back under control.

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80 responses to “Ruminations – 9feb13 (updated)”

  1. TheMikeyMcD Avatar
    TheMikeyMcD

    Summary (of which I completely agree):
    Our godverment is stockpiling weapons to use against us subjects.
    Get technical education or get in the unemployment line.
    Obamacare is horrible (drastic understatement).

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  2. TheMikeyMcD Avatar
    TheMikeyMcD

    My heart is heavy this morning as I catch up on news. I know of no generation that could be more bitter than a Vietnam draftee who was told he was fighting against a political system focused on the collective… only to see America stricken with the collectivism cancer. Sincerely sad.
    news: FDA guard shoots 15 yr old boy (why the hell does FDA have armed guards? and why would said guard fire upon a kid when his life is not in danger?) How can the left deny the 2nd amendment and all facts when they can’t remember a day in ‘gun free zone’ Chicago without murders? Thank God for men like Dr. Ben Carson for calling out Obamacare to Obama’s face…

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  3. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    Speaking of health issues.. for those of you who think the Tea Party imagery is something new:
    http://yubanet.com/usa/Tea-Party-39-s-Ties-to-Tobacco-Industry-Date-Back-to-1980s-UCSF-Study-Shows.php

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  4. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    George- Please define “universally recognized”? Recognized by whom? How many? What is the credibility of these “universal” people? Are they economists, bloggers, talk show hosts, researchers for special interest think tanks, clowns from Barnum and Bailey? Why is it that the GAO has stated on numerous occasions that republican-care (called Obamacare by conservatives after they stonewalled most of its provisions until they got what the health industry wanted, then when it was a done deal, they voted NO so they could criticize it and blame Obama for what a piece of crap it is) will actually save the government money?

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  5. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Joe, it means recognized somewhere in the know universe, right?

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  6. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    The jobs landscape has always been a changing one. The big difference is the rate of change. It was glacial for centuries but now is accelerating at quite a good clip. You can go back about 3 hundred years and see that most skills needed then are just curiosities now. What remains? I doubt that robotics will replace humans at the world’s oldest profession, although there are folks working at such creations. Perhaps there will be a place for automatons in the sex trade, but I predict it won’t make much of a change until we’ve had quite a leap forward at churning out really adept (and physically attractive) machinery with a low TCO. The next oldest profession looks pretty similar even with the addition of modern tech. A court room from the 1700’s has the same basic actors that we see at present. Food production – now we’re in a whole different ball park. On the ground, far fewer humans are required and the numbers are dropping fast. Many more jobs are needed in genetics, chemistry and food processing, but overall a lot less folks are working to get dinner on the table. George has gone over the changes in design and production of most of the “stuff” we get at the store or show room. In the last 50 or 60 years this is where we have seen (and experienced) the biggest change. It happened mostly within our lifetime and remnants of that sort of old rust belt are still around as a pointed reminder of ‘the way things were’. Only a primary level education was necessary and you had a good paying job for life. It was doomed from the start by it’s very reasons for existence. But folks (mostly on the left) decry it’s passing as the root of all our economic problems. It was really a chimera kept afloat by oppression of some groups and a blip in history that has come and gone. Economists such as Paul Krugman wax lyrically about those times and how we should return to them. The left loves to espouse and indoctrinate our young in Darwinian evolution, but when it comes to actually getting to grips with the reality of the quick and the dead, they have dreams of other outcomes. The bowl of water that finds it’s own level equally around the rim is the lefts’ dream for humanity. Unfortunately, this can never be and attempts to make it so at what ever govt level results in some form of tyranny. God gave us bodies to be worked and a brain to be used. A quick scan of the human condition shows widely varying talents and abilities of our physiques and our craniums. There will always be jobs for the ones who keep sharp and keep educating themselves. Having good inter-personal skills and humbling yourself to work the needed task at hand has always been a plus. We should always be looking out for our neighbor, but letting the govt take over that job makes us slaves to the govt. I know that our friends on the left will counter-post that I am advocating making ourselves slaves to private industry, but they have never come up with any kind of example of how that is so if we have a free market of both goods and services. Life has always been in flux and there has always been change. We need to adapt to the ever-increasing pace. To force, via the govt, a slower pace sets us up for ruin.

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  7. George Rebane Avatar

    ScottO 1115am – Well said Scott, couldn’t have done better myself.
    JoeK 955pm – Please see today’s update to the post.

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  8. Russ Steele Avatar

    Joe@9:55PM
    The left tried to tie the climate change skeptics to the tobacco lobby and you can see how well that turned out. This claim about the Tea Party will turnout just about the same, as in the end the truth is more powerful that most lefty smears. It may take time, but the truth wins.
    By the way, you may want to sign up to some of the Tea Party Newsletter, or come and attend some of the local meetings. You will find out the crap you read on your liberal/progressive blogs is truly bovine cow pies!

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  9. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Now that the light of day is shining bright on the entire Obummercaretax,
    it’s not as great as “O” and Co. said it was. ( Those with just a lick of common sense knew that from the start.) It’s now going to cost triple, if not quadruple, as the blind and dumb bean counters estimated.
    Remember what “O” said?? ” Your insurance will actually go down in cost, because everyone will be paying in.” Well…. Funny how just the reverse has happened.
    Business has taken a big hit too. Remember that 40hr week? It’s now a 30hr. week.( Thank You Obummercare)
    Liberal Government meddling at it’s best. Even the unions that got suckered into backing it are finding out their waiver has run out and get to pay full freight. YUP!,, their howling mad too. ( I can say,, ” You were warned,,, now deal with it.)
    The only ones still singing it praise, are the ones that have no money to tax in the first place and get that free care.

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  10. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    The problem Russ is that there are clear links between the Koch brothers and their long time supported organizations, the Mercatus Center and Citizens for a Sound Economy, and those organizations denial of both climate science and tobacco science.
    The key link has been not just the organizations themselves taking active roles in those positions, but the key Koch staff member, Richard Fink, who not only helped found both, but has sat on the board of no less than 3 Koch brothers foundations, serving as the President of two, while they have simultaneously funded pro-tobacco and anti AGW science.
    Fink later helped to found Americans for Prosperity, and has remained active in their decision-making process, including during their support for various Tea Party factions.
    Fink also helped broker an alliance amongst think tanks to support Phillip Morris’ defense of litigation claiming big tobacco had hidden information from federal agencies. That alliance included not only Mercatus and CSE, but the Heritgae Foundation and the Cato Institute, both at times heavily Koch funded entities.
    For several years, Fink acted as a advocate for big tobacco, including a 1985 letter to most members of Congress urging that they, eliminate the US Tobacco Program. In the hand-signed letter, he wrote: “Dear Representative: On behalf of the 220,000 members of Citizens for a Sound Economy, I urge you to consider the heavy costs of the U.S. tobacco program [a tax to do education about the dangers of smoking], and the enormous benefits to consumers and taxpayers which would result from the elimination of that program.”
    Richard Fink aligned not only himself but the entire membership of CSE with the interests of Big Tobacco.
    In 1988, Fink wrote to the Surgeon General to express concern about the Interagency Committee on Smoking and Health’s inquiries into the subject of tobacco and U.S. trade policy. He warned that it would be unwise to suggest any foreign trade barriers, ending, “we hope that you will keep these thoughts in mind as your department discusses U.S. trade policy toward tobacco.”
    This letter was tracked down by the Checks & Balances Project in the Tobacco Archives, with an addendum from Samuel Chilcote – President of The Tobacco Institute – urging others to follow Fink’s lead and support.
    For Fink’s efforts, Chilcote thanked Fink in a hand-signed letter on behalf of the tobacco industry, writing, “When an advisory body such as the Interagency Committee on Smoking and Health ventures into the field of U.S. trade policy, it is vitally important that the public record be balanced by the sound economic views and sensible business judgments that you provided.”
    The more one digs, the more one finds the connections. Now lets be clear, I don’t believe there is anything wrong with private individuals supporting private organizations, or having strong opinions, but, as some here have reminded me, strong opinions mean the responsibility to defend them, not deny them.
    The Koch’s and their octopus are prime funders of the climate denial machine, they were prime funders of big tobacco, and they the are using the same tactics in the climate debate that they used in the tobacco debate.
    http://www.desmogblog.com/koch-industries-inc

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  11. Russ Steele Avatar

    Steven@07:58
    I was interested in what you had to say until my mentioned the highly discredited desmogblog as the source, and then I realized it was another one of your cut and paste jobs. Desmog has a serious issue with the truth, they do not know what it is. There credibility is so low that no one is reading them anymore, except maybe you and a few hanger on’ers. DeSmog broke the fake Heartland story and supported Peter Gleick in his theft of the Institute document and the creation of a fake internal memo. Details here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/15/desmog-blog-headed-back-to-obscurity/
    You can redeem your credibility by providing the number to back up your claim: “The Koch’s and their octopus are prime funders of the climate denial machine, they were prime funders of big tobacco, and they the are using the same tactics in the climate debate that they used in the tobacco debate.”
    Show me some credible numbers to prove this is also not another DeSmog lie!

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  12. Russ Steele Avatar

    Opps “until you mentioned” i n the first line.

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  13. Gregory Avatar

    “Climate denial machine”… really, Frish, the money spent by the likes of Koch, Inc., estimated by Greenpeace to be an average of $4 million a year since ’97 is a pittance (on the order of 0.1%) compared to the over $80 billion spent by governments, primarily the US, to try to establish CO2 as a driver of the climate so they could justify massive taxes against any carbon bearing fuel, the primary business of the Koch’s. Despite the massive imbalance, climate alarmism is as stalled as the temperature record, which hasn’t seen statistically significant warming for 16+ years now.
    The most dire predictions of the IPCC AR4 are being walked back in AR5, and 18 years after the IPCC Chair denounced Denmark’s Henrik Svensmark for being “naive and irresponsible” for blabbing about his research, which, by the way, now has stronger experimental evidence behind it than the general circulation computer models which are the bulk of the evidence for future catastrophe. Even James Hansen had to write in a paper in January that the 5 year smoothed terrestrial temperature record has been flat for 10 years…
    The so-called “denial machine” is winning, and it’s because of the fundamental weakness of alarmist science.

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  14. Gerry Fedor Avatar
    Gerry Fedor

    I’m trying to “understand” the logic about absolutely no controls on guns as wouldn’t that be like why is the world working to keep atomic weapons from Iran or North Korea……
    Isn’t there a parallel concept here, or should these countries be allowed to get these weapons?

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  15. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    ‘I’m trying to “understand” the logic about absolutely no controls on guns’
    Who is advocating that? Iran and N Korea both have govts that threaten war on a regular basis. Anyone who threatens their neighbors shouldn’t have access to guns or even sharp knives. Responsible, law abiding folk can have any weapon they want as far I’m concerned.

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  16. Gregory Avatar

    Gerry, in the USA there are something like 20,000 regulations concerning guns on the books now. The issue isn’t whether there should be none, the argument is over whether there should be 19,000 or 21,000.

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  17. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Yeah well Russ, if you actually read my comments and then went to DeSmog you would see that they are not the same source. My primary source was the Checks and Balances Project, which is a non-profit investigative reporting initiative that specializes in energy and western land issues.
    However, lets be even more pointed, I don’t always depend upon sources; often what I post is my own aggregated knowledge from years of reading about these issues….I don’t have to rely solely on cited sources about the right wing think tanks supporting big tobacco, I was there, I remember it, I watched it on CSPAN, and watched many of the same people rsh to the ‘climate denial’ industry, and I watched it happen in real life.
    This nonsense about “cut and paste” jobs is just a cheap bullish*t critique. Everyone who posts here depends upon a combination of sources they see or seek out in the media and academia and their personal experience either living or working in a field. That’s what this is all about. That is how people form ideas and opinions. 80% of what you post on your site is cut and paste from newspapers or from blogs….I don’t try to discredit you because you use other sources…I try to make you defend the findings. So I will ask you the same thing….I posted specific information about the links between Richard Fink, big tobacco, and the Koch brothers and climate denial…what part of what I posted is not true? Cite your source!
    We all read, and read a variety of sources. I am on the Heartland Institute site as often as I am on the Pacific Institute site…and guess what? The Pacific Institute has a hell of a lot more peer reviewed science in a year then Heartland has had in its entire history. I also read climate denial reports…which are serially misrepresenting what the science is saying and parroted by all of you over here by the way…in order to understand what the Watt’s of the world think.
    The issue I brought up however was not climate science, and I don’t want to fall for yours [and by default Greg’s] diversionary tactics; the issue is the role of ‘think tanks’ and their leadership in shaping the dialogue, and on that I am dead on correct.

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  18. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Regarding George’s updated comment that the ‘liberal media’ (which is owned by corporate giants) wants the American public to believe that, “the tea parties are history, pay no attention to the little burble they caused in 2010, everything is back under control” I say, HELL NO, let the war continue!
    The ‘war’ is not between the ‘left’, which is really the center, and the Tea Parties, which are really fascists; it is between the Tea Parties and the establishment Republicans, as evidenced by Karl Rove’s new venture. The war is the same war fought within the Republican party since Goldwater said, “extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice”. Extremism, evidenced by the Tea Party through their adoption of crackpot candidates like Akin, Palin, Murdock and O’Donnell, is WELCOME to fight the establishment Republicans to the death; the more they do, the more power the center (democrats) will gain.
    So I say, fight on Tea Party Patriots; your fight leads to my victory!

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  19. Russ Steele Avatar

    Steven@06:43AM
    You wrote: “The Pacific Institute has a hell of a lot more peer reviewed science ”
    The reality is the Pacific Institute has more pall reviewed science than the Heartland Institute.
    In 2009 I caught the Pacific Institute cherry picking data to validate their projection of sea level rise. Details here:
    http://ncwatch.typepad.com/media/2009/03/let-the-sea-level-debate-begin-again.html
    Then they admitted to be using un-validated models in their reports to the State of California Department of Energy.
    The Pacific Institute are just global warming hacks, using tax payer money to promote an AGW hoax.

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  20. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Ah well Russ, I see you can’t actually address my original point…that the ‘thinkers’ who supported big tobacco are the same ‘thinkers’ who are denying anthropogenic climate change. …..but that’s OK…because showing people that you are only capable of diversionary tactics was my real goal!

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  21. George Rebane Avatar

    It seems that the message from the Left re the tea parties is a bit mixed. Some are saying the movement is dead, others claim that it’s alive, well, and still funded by sinister forces, others (e.g. SteveF) are pointing to internecine war between rightwing factions, etc. What’s a body to believe from those astute observers of our political scene? But until things shake out, we tea partiers shouldn’t be too worried. There must be some life left in us, else they wouldn’t be paying so much attention.
    (Fascists??!!)

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  22. Russ Steele Avatar

    Steven@08:29AM,
    I am not going to get sucked in to your argument. Arguing about who are the proper skeptics is a diversion that I am not going to spend any energy on. You made a stupid claim, see George’s update, that does not change the facts. The AGW contribution to warming is so small that it is not worth worrying about. AGW as promoted by the left is akin to a hoax. After 20 year none of the models have proven to have any skill in predicting future climate. The AGW cult, which you appear to be member, are unable to address the facts, the warming has stops and cooling is beginning, yet the CO2 continues to increase. Any person or reasonable intelligence can see that CO2 sensitivity is extremely low.

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  23. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    I call your Koch Bros. and raise you one George Soros, and one Warren Buffet as a side bet. ( the longer the Keystone pipeline is stalled, the more money will be loaded onto that oil train for the return trip. “Thanks “O” my good ol’ pal.
    The last two cars are yours.”)

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  24. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    BTW,, Did Steve read the memo about how the sun has more influence on our
    temp than “previously believed”? ( a lot of us were saying that from the start)
    What a Revelation… The sun heats and cools in cycles, and the geniuses of GW just couldn’t comprehend that notion.
    Try this little experiment.( Steve) Go build a small fire in your yard. ( Be sure it’ a permissive burn day first. Our overlords are sticklers on that)
    Find a nice comfortable distance, then throw a little extra fuel on it.
    Did you get warmer? Don’t worry,, it will cool down soon enough.
    Just remember, your distance didn’t change. Just the heat source.
    See how that works? But your AGW experts flat out dismiss this fact.
    They were more content to change the numbers to fit their chicken little theory.

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  25. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    Walt- I’ll call your Soros and Buffet and raise you 4 Waltons, a Romney, one Adolph Coors and Richard Mellon Sciafe.

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  26. Gregory Avatar

    I am shocked (Shocked!) to hear an employee of one right leaning think tank was later an employee of another! Will the shenanigans never stop?
    Steven Frisch, if Heartland was as bad as Gleich thought, he wouldn’t have had to make up a fake document to prove it.
    I’ve not followed him recently; did the AGU ever reappoint him as chair of their ethics panel? Mail fraud did make that a bit of a sticky wicket.

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  27. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    I think more Republicans want the Tea Party dead than Dems. Reading the analyses of MOR Republicans, it seems that they think the tea party pushed the public perception too far to the right (or too dumb to elect) alienating Reagan Democrats and probably (though I think wrongly so, they would have lost anyway) costing them the Whitehouse, as well as, several House seats. Some of the TP (an appropriate label) candidates believe and stated some totally stupid things. Tea Party positions on most issues do not come close to what a majority of Americans think and more closely approximate Wall Street’s take on life. So what we have is a very loud vocal and well funded minority. As evidenced by the last election, it seems that the majority of Americans resent the attempt to have nineteenth century values shoved down their throats by the billionaires and their parrots, many of whom chirp on these pages.

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  28. George Rebane Avatar

    Has anyone given much thought to what kind of conclusion is sought in the bidding war on one-upping the other’s rich supporters?

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  29. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    It is just to make note that every time anyone mentions conservative billionaires funding think tanks and trying to shape public opinion someone plays Soros/Buffet card, about the only two non-conservative billionaires that I have ever heard of.

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  30. Gregory Avatar

    Since the Frischie thinks this should be a discussion about think tanks, how about the Stanford Woods Institute for the Environment which was at the forefront of two different cataclysmic alarms… the new Ice Age in the ’70’s, and the wildly more profitable Global Warming that followed when the cooling trend didn’t stick.
    I say within 10 years they’re back to the cooling story.

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  31. George Rebane Avatar

    The tea party movement is a fractionated grass roots expression of frustration with the hard left drift of the country. That they are not unified is a nuance a bit too complex for the Left to either understand or admit – it’s always easier to paint them all with a broad brush dipped in the color of your choosing. JoeK’s 1034am is a typical expression of this. As a member of the NC Tea Party Patriots I have been looking for the last years for any hint of our being funded by outside monied interests beyond our own local contributions. Sadly, I have come up empty, and appeal to our friends of the Left to help divert some of those massive cash flows to these foothills; even a little trickle would help.
    “Tea Party positions on most issues do not come close to what a majority of Americans think and more closely approximate Wall Street’s take on life.” Unfortunately, given the closing of the American mind, that statement is almost true, and more so every day. The tea partiers hold what used to be some pretty staid views on our government; they were about as centrist as one could get. Not any more, now we have a good half of the country waiting for the next belch from “Obama’s stash”.

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  32. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    George,
    For the jobs portion of the post. As productivity rises so should wages. Without the rise in wages the macro and micro economies then become reliant on either a small few who own the robots or private personal debt. Neither of the last two options are good recipes for a functional society with mobility within it.
    The New Golden Age
    http://02ae523.netsolhost.com/gapr.html
    A New Theory of Unemployment: Globalization and the Wage-Productivity Gap
    http://www.ravibatra.com/a-new-theory-of-unemployment.htm

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  33. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    George– then you must have missed the article in the Union about the anonymous $10,000 given to the local TP to spend on local elections. this was during the highly politicized Diaz/Pruitt election cycle.

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  34. Gregory Avatar

    Golly, we also never got to find out who gave $50K to the County Supe of Instruction to dole out to NUHS and the GVSD to pave the way for the UN aligned International Baccalaureate program to displace the Advanced Placement program already fully implemented in our high schools.
    Ms.Hermanson, (aka Mrs. Jon Byerrum, wife of the former superintendent of the GVSD who spent some of that money), who took over the County Supe of Ed spot, denied my FOIA request to find out who gave $50K in an anonymous attempt to unilaterally change school policy.

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  35. George Rebane Avatar

    JoeK 1128am – I did indeed. Since they are presumed guilty until they prove themselves innocent, we must nip those anonymous donors in the bud wherever they are found. Can you point me to the article?
    BenE 1121am – Like a true progressive, you don’t seem to have a clue about what motivates economic forces and makes an economy work. If wages were to rise along with productivity, then by definition productivity would NOT rise, capice? Were this insane way to run an economy to be adopted, we would still have only 0.0001% Americans driving cars, owning refrigerators, having telephones, radios, TVs, …, computers, … . The progress in the quality of life increases from NOT paying as much for the next unit of production as for the last. And that means that new technology and processes reduce labor expenses from the cost of what is produced.
    We all must compete in what we sell and buy, it is nature’s way of picking winners and losers. If the govt forced wages to keep pace with productivity advances, we would instantly become what was the old USSR, and now is Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, … .
    As I’ve argued in these pages, we must redistribute wealth until our population goes down. But in the interval, wealth cannot be redistributed in destructive ways, which are the only ways that the various flavors of collectivism have to teach us.
    Please reread ‘The real jobs problem – shhh’ and its appendix.
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2012/09/the-real-jobs-problem-shhh.html
    Also, thank you for the link to Batra’s new theory of unemployment. A quick scan recommends a more detailed read. I did, however, notice that in his model he assumes that government spending is as efficient as private spending in stimulating the economy – a questionable assumption indeed.

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  36. Russ Steele Avatar

    Joe@1128AM
    The 10K was for nonpartisan get out the vote ads. Time was purchased on KNCO and ads in the Union. You may remember those ads, they never mentioned a political party or a candidate. They were totally neutral as to party affiliation.

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  37. George Rebane Avatar

    More on Batra’s theory (cf my 1216pm and BenE’s 1121am). I failed to mention that, like most economic models, Batra’s is a model that computes the static relationship between various economic quantities like GDP, consumer spending, taxes, unemployment, … . Economists don’t like to put the time variable into their work, because then things become dynamic and messy. With dynamic models you could actually simulate past performance with historical policy inputs and measured outputs, and compare theory with realworld experience. One could also then predict with trial policies to see what is better or worse.
    Instead, Batra and other economists, present us relationships that can never obtain in the real world. With agent-based dynamism the rule, steady state never occurs, but instead we have a dynamic cauldron with multiple feedback loops each with dynamic gains and time delays.

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  38. Russ Steele Avatar

    Just so you all know:
    Since 2008, the U.S. has wasted nearly $70 billion on “climate change activities.” A report by the Congressional Research Service revealed that, from fiscal years 2008 through 2012, the federal government spent $68.4 billion to “combat climate change.”
    And, not much did those conservative “think tanks” spend? Not billions!

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  39. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    George,
    To return the insult, like a true corporatist you have no clue on how the productive economy works for a nation. Demand comes from everyday people having money in their pockets and that money comes in the form of trading their labor for wages. When wages don’t track production/ productivity a gap is created, which can only be filled with private or public credit. Private credit/ debt has been maxed out as a nation so public debt/ spending is the only other option to stimulate the economy. The problem we face is public spending only has minimal multiplier effect due to the US purchasing goods that are made in foreign nations. Instead of creating jobs for my neighbor to make the tires on my car I am supporting wage slavery and conditions in a developing nation while lining the pockets of a small few at the top levels of shareholders. Profits have never been better for US corporations but the average American is being squeezed. Corporatist economics coming to fruition is the death sentence to a middle class.
    So the answer to the problem of jobs isn’t a single issue but connected multiple policies on multiple levels.
    Corporate Profits Just Hit An All-Time High, Wages Just Hit An All-Time Low
    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/corporate-profits-just-hit-an-all-time-high-wages-just-hit-an-all-time-low-2012-6#ixzz2KXQZT8zG

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  40. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Russ,
    $69 billion is chump change compared to what has been spent to create an economy and government totally dependent on fossil fuels. The actual numbers would be in the trillions of dollars.

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  41. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    How many of our all knowing Left, get their news from CNN?
    Especially GW facts…? What one of those brilliant news people
    over there has really nutted up about it. There is this small
    asteroid that will give us flyby next week, and the LIB mind behind the desk, and in front of the camera asked if the asteroid was a product of….. You guessed it,,, AGW!!!!
    And this is the quality of information that gets fed to devout watchers of CNN?
    Just wait.. Someone will put that theory in the grade school science books.

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  42. Russ Steele Avatar

    BenE@02:40PM
    And those trillions have produced next to nothing (2011 numbers):
    Biomass 1.38%
    Geothermal 0.41%
    Solar 0.04%
    Wind 2.92%

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  43. Paul Emery Avatar

    Russ 10 February 2013 at 02:25 PM
    70 Billion? That’s a pittance compared to what we are still spending for Bush’s war in Iraq that was unconstitutional and unfunded.

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  44. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Russ,
    At the beginning of fossil fuels what was EROI and what % did it represent in overall energy use? The difference is with fossil fuels we needed more and more exploration, land grabs, environmental raping and plundering, colonizing and oppression, and creating virtually the entire terror against US policies we are experiencing today. So the pluses vs minuses are starting to really even themselves out over the last four decades. Up until the mid 70’s when the domestic production dried up it was a huge boom for energy industry and US economy. Since the 70’s we have created more and more enemies in the most oil rich region of the world. If we would have stayed on the visionary Carter administration path of renewable energies we would have been the tip of the spear of the new energy industry and would be dominating the renewable industry and possibly could have avoided Global Warming/ Climate Change that will cost in the tens of trillions to combat while threatening the existence of human beings on the planet.

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  45. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 237pm – then since neither of us have a clue about economics, we can both relax and enjoy the work of all those in Washington claiming to have overcome our shortcomings. They read the gauges, turned the right knobs, and pulled the levers to put us on our glory road to a bright and progressive future. All is well. (Pay no attention to what DHS is preparing for.)

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  46. Russ Steele Avatar

    BenE@03:30
    You need to see a Doctor about these delusion that humans have the ability to control the climate.
    We now have enough oil and gas in North American to become an exporter by 2020, but environmental wackos are trying to prevent the drilling and exploration. Even now we are importing less and less. With the XL Pipeline and fracking on federal land, we could dry up the money going to the oil rich regions controlled by the islamic terrorist, and become self sufficient in fossil fuels. Just think, we would only creating enemies by raising the price they have to pay for US oil.

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  47. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Get over it Paul, this is now “O” and Co.’s war. All of them.
    He had his chance to “end all hostilities”. He was blowing smoke up your skirt when he said he would end the war. Close GITMO, etc. But you still want to blame Bush. A little desperation in the finger pointing dept?
    You should be a little wary of the new drone program. Just think of all the pot garden raids by the FEDS this growing season. How legal do you think those really are? At least people will only get arrested for the first season or two.
    Maybe by year three hellfire missiles with replace the good old fashioned raids.
    Will you blame Bush for that too? Just because the drone program was in place under his watch?
    ( Never mind the illegal killing of Americans on “O”‘s kill list. I do believe the Talley is at 4)
    But since it’s “O” doing the illegal crap, it’s fine and dandy.
    OK… Back to your Bush rant….

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  48. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Walt,
    If you want a corporate view of the world and US politics watch CNN, NBC, ABC, FOX, and even MSNBC based in the US. If you want a different look at US policies go to the international news sources even if it is CNN. Here is a couple of examples of how corporate media cover war in the US for US consumption. The first link it starts about minute 3:30.
    Independent Media in a Time of War Preview (I encourage you to listen to the whole 30 minutes)
    http://www.mediaed.org/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=110&template=PDGCommTemplates/HTN/Item_Preview.html
    Democracy Now! Interviewing Aaron Brown of CNN
    http://www.democracynow.org/2003/4/4/an_hour_with_cnns_aaron_brown

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  49. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Ya’ hear the oil and gas shale that Ca. is sitting on? It’s dwarfs
    the find in the Dakotas. Ca. could littealy drill it’s way back tp prosperity.
    But since this is ECO LIBBY Land, that will NEVER happen.

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  50. George Rebane Avatar

    Walt 410pm – Not to worry Walt, it will happen. When we are all on the left side of socialism, Washington has totaled the economy, and our ruling autocrats need money, then you can bet it will be ‘drill baby, drill!’ – ecology be damned in the name of an everlasting national emergency. All totalitarian governments need to go into the ground for wealth extracted by state-owned enterprises, because in such regimes nothing above ground will generate wealth any more (especially agriculture) – such enterprises need individual initiative, risk taking, responsibility, and entrepreneurship. And all of these are based on the then long-banished Bastiat Triangle.

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