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George Rebane

The importance and magnitude of EVERY social problem lies in its numbers.  If you don’t understand the numbers and how they relate, all you can do is emote about the problem.


BillGatesRR
has argued from the start that applying the tools of the systems sciences is critical to the solutions of all social problems (see end notes below).  For obvious reasons, also presented and discussed in these pages, the Left has been the major opponent of bringing analytics and numeracy to bear on social issues – this for the simple reason that it deflates their emotion based fuzzy rhetoric which they use to promote their collectivism.

Well, now we have no less than Bill Gates coming out in a major piece promoting quantitative “measurement” for solving worldwide problems ranging from high infant mortality to the classroom evaluation of teachers.  His proposals contain absolutely no new ideas, but what is important is that the world’s most famous billionaire and philanthropist is going public with ‘new’ notions the youngest of which is about fifty years old.

In his ‘My Plan to Fix The World’s Biggest Problems’ there is no plan presented, save the exhortation to start measuring and recording things to do with the problem that you’re trying to solve.

For reasons unknown, Gates does not make clear the difference between a utility function or figure of merit (FOM), that would serve as an objective or goal or to define ‘good’, and the measured attributes that go into the FOM.  Perhaps it’s because the piece was written for broad audiences who would be confused by such nuances.  However, regular RR readers should not suffer similarly.

A clarifying example might serve here.  Consider buying a car from the many models offered – which one to buy?  To keep it simple, the only attributes you consider important are its top speed and cost.  Somehow you have to trade off these contentious attributes since the faster cars cost more.  The tradeoff is performed in your formulation of the cars’ FOM which combines the numerical values of each car’s speed and cost.  Then you can collect the numbers for the cars, calculate their FOM values, and pick the one that for you yields the maximum utility.  (For you phormulaphiles, a typical FOM formulation here might be FOM = weight*(mph top speed) + (1 – weight)*(K$ cost), where weight is a number between 0 and 1 that reflects your speed/cost tradeoff.)

And here’s rub and the benefit – the adoption and expression of every FOM or utility function is completely subjective for whatever problem you’re solving.  The FOM captures your values, judgments, experience, likes/dislikes, and even constraints on what can be done.  And such explicit FOMs can do the same for a government, community, or a corporation (business has been using them for decades).  Gates is finally saying to America that we have to approach problems with systems thinking if we want to make progress.  Continuing with the Left’s approach of “issues activism” based on selected anecdotes and fuzzy emotionalism, while rejecting data and a common understanding of ‘good’, will not accomplish much, and has gotten us to where we are now.  (That last italicized bit I added because Bill Gates couldn’t.)

The belated call for such quantitative approaches is encouraging, even though it might turn out to be just more relieving yourself over the windward gunnel.  I hope not.  Read the article.

End Notes:  For a brief summary of RR postings related to reasoning and systems thinking, I have culled the following short list.  More can be found filed in RR’s ‘Science’ and ‘Science Snippets’ categories.

‘Economic Development in Nevada County’
‘Systems Science Rules (almost)!’
‘Healthcare Utility Metric with Scriptural Underpinnings’
‘A Thoughtful View of Climate Change’
‘Why Reason Fails’

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167 responses to “Numbers get a (confused) boost”

  1. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Where is Walt’s evidence that negates the text in the poster? Nope, he hasn’t got any.

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  2. Walt Avatar

    Oh,,, Lets see…. The same BS that DIFI referenced?
    Facts don’t hold up to the claim. ( FBI data)
    If you cared to read the link I posted, you would know that.
    And you wonder why the masses don’t buy the Libby boogyman,
    and select scare tactics.( like yours)
    Still waiting for that photo with “O” skeet shooting. (The LIB press
    is counting on you! LOL!)

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  3. Walt Avatar

    One thing is for sure. We know Doug likes movies. ( since he like to reference them as “fact” sometimes.) Are you allowed back in the local movie houses yet?
    ( darn those irritating copyright regulations. is that why all you photos are “watermarked”?)

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  4. Jesus Betterman Avatar

    Keep it simple, Walt, in Nevada County, how many intruders shot, vs how many suicides and family members shot, over the last five years. Check with The Union and the sheriff’s dept and get back to me.

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  5. TheMikeyMcD Avatar

    Ben, as RR’s resident politician can you offer a ‘solution’ to the ills presented in your above (lengthy) comments? (in under 1 hundred words).
    My solution: Less Government, More personal liberty.

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  6. George Rebane Avatar

    JesusB (aka DougK) 246pm – Yes, let’s keep it simple. No matter the numbers of other people’s gun casualties, what does it matter? (to quote a famous SecState) Why can’t the progressive allow responsible adults to take care of their own family affairs, especially as it involves guns? The purpose of the 2nd Amend is not to minimize family casualties, but to minimize national casualties perpetrated by a rogue government (see my 154pm). Everything else about gun ownership is a diversion, albeit an important one for progressives who want to dictate how we should all live, and what are the proper risks that citizens are allowed to undertake in leading their private lives.

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  7. Paul Emery Avatar

    Rebane 28 January 2013 at 01:54 PM
    “collectivist autocracies are the greatest killers of their own citizens, far outdoing wars and plagues. And the common denominator is always, ‘First we take their guns (e.g. by talking a lot about skeet shooting)’, for as Chairman Mao said “ALL power grows out of the barrel of a gun.” And power to the people? – No, No, No! ”
    So perhaps Mario Savio was right after all.
    “There’s a time when the
    operation of the machine becomes
    so odious—makes you so sick at
    heart—that you can’t take part.
    You can’t even passively take
    part. And you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon
    the wheels, upon the levers, upon
    all the apparatus, and you’ve
    got to make it stop. And you’ve
    got to indicate to the people who
    run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the
    machine will be prevented from
    working at all”
    ― Mario Savio

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  8. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Ah ha, I’d asked before, but didn’t have an answer. So George is squarely in the let’s take down rogue government camp of the 2nd amendment, and is not attempting to repel foreign invaders. Greg is in the, “I can have a gun, screw what I use it for, it’s my precious” camp. Let’s see which side the rest of Rebane’s Regulars take?

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  9. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 302pm – Exactly Paul, but please don’t prevent my machines from working. Do that to someone else’s (perhaps your own) machines, those who would like to see your body draped over its gears, levers, and wheels. Your propensity to mess with other people’s things is what makes living together so difficult.

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  10. George Rebane Avatar

    DougK 309pm – Ah ha, you haven’t been paying attention for the last seven years. Fortunately, as our Founders advised us, resisting a government gone rogue and repelling invaders uses the same toolset.

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  11. Jesus Betterman Avatar

    George, Mario Savio was talking about the University of California, as an educational machine, designed to crank out servile workers for industry, not an actual physical piece of machinery. I know, I was there and heard the speech in person.

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  12. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    And where did they remind us of that, is there an invisible an invisible amendment that covers that?

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  13. Gregory Avatar

    Adjust by the number of intruders who didn’t even try because they expected the inhabitants might shoot them. Or the intruders held at gunpoint without a shot fired until law enforcement arrives.
    The simplistic approach Keachie and other propagandists take assumes the criminal or mentally ill elements of the area won’t harm themselves or the people around them if some or all classes of firearms are banned, but that works if what you are trying to do is demonize the gun. Dead is dead, whether by firearm (by ones own hand or the truly horrible ‘suicide by cop’), rope, jumping, pills, drowning. If there’s a will, there’s a way.

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  14. Walt Avatar

    ” take way guns because someone might get hurt” Lib philosophy in a nutshell.
    Then why stop there? ya got Obummercaretax in the works. Soon the great government overlord will start saying,” we are paying for your health care, so WE get to have a say in your personal activities. Rock climbing? Nope,, your not doing that any more. Your blatantly trying to break the laws of gravity. One day that rope will fail. ( like a gun safety)Sorry no more climbing. UNLESS you fork over an extra 30% as a hazard fee.
    Pick your favorite activity. Someone, somewhere, will find a reason to regulate it, and tax you for it. ( if it isn’t totally outlawed first.)
    That includes eating your favorite foods. That war is already on.

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  15. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Mickey,
    Easy, get private special interest money out of government and the political parties that control our government. A government that is representative of the people, it is called self determination.
    Where we part, in my opinion, I don’t think of our government as a separate entity but rather an extension of the people. We don’t have anything close to that at the moment but that is the fault of the people and the corrupt Democratic and Republican Parties for perpetuating such a corrupted political system.

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  16. George Rebane Avatar

    JesusB (aka DougK) 319pm – You’d better tell PaulE that, he meant it in the symbolic new technology way, otherwise his comment would make no sense. But then again …
    Doug, how about we cut out this ‘Jesus Betterman’ crap? You are just confusing readers who don’t track your sock puppets. I’ll just delete future JB comments. Please save your good words so you can put them up over your own name.

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  17. Paul Emery Avatar

    George Rebane | 28 January 2013 at 03:13 PM
    “but please don’t prevent my machines from workin”
    So George under your view of our Constitution who then can call the shots and pull the trigger on using protest or 2nd amendment remedies to “stop the machine”?

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  18. Walt Avatar

    We all have heard that the SR71 fleet is part of history now.( none flying)
    If that is the case, we must have a new fuel guzzler down at Beale.( just a wild guess) A familiar ” fight pattern” that I haven’t seen since the birds got their wings clipped went out the other night. ( two tankers go out, one keeps a Northern path, and the other heads East.(ish)
    Maybe one is back in use? (or did it go to China as a tribute payment?)

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  19. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 344pm – Getting money out of government to you means to start regulating lobbying and putting in place all the apparatus and apparatchiks to enforce that (another spurt in growing government). To me that is messing with my 1st Amend rights.
    The proper solution solution is to reduce the scope of government involvement in the private sector so that it has little/no power to grant favors to those with a checkbook, thereby forcing them to make do in the marketplace or the ballot box.
    PaulE 357pm – We went around that barn enough times to dig a furrow. Either your or my Alzheimer’s is kicking in.

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  20. Paul Emery Avatar

    So then George it’s a free for all for anyone who thinks government has gone too far either left or right or in between.

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  21. Gregory Avatar

    “Greg is in the, “I can have a gun, screw what I use it for, it’s my precious” camp.” – Douglas Keachie
    What a jerk. I can have a gun, like I can have a computer, a book, or a pen and paper.
    Hasn’t Doug described his home as being akin to a small fortress, with fencing, cameras, lights and guns? Sounds paranoid to me, though that North San Juan neighborhood may be conducive to such behaviors.

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  22. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 407pm – You got it. And if you make that decision alone or with a small group that no one agrees with, then the local SWAT will getcha, and that’s that. But on the other hand … .

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  23. Walt Avatar

    Gregory. Dougy is one of those “Do as I say, not as I do” Leftists.
    He demands the return of extremely low snow ( anti GW) but will one of the first to complain the power is out, and the road isn’t plowed.
    is in favor of heavy gun restrictions, as long as he has ways to keep his in hiding. ( Hell… he probably buys ammo on line too, with the attitude,, “it’s still legal to do so”)
    He loves those CARB restrictions, but thinks he has a way around that too.
    Again,, those regs are for “the other guy”.
    He’s a lot like “O” actually.

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  24. Gregory Avatar

    “So then George it’s a free for all for anyone who thinks government has gone too far either left or right or in between.”
    Free for all? Of course not. Ask Tim McVeigh, good Scottish stock there. Oh, wait, you can’t. His sorry ass was “put to sleep” for mass murder. If you can’t convince at least one juror you ain’t guilty because of the need for a revolution, you deserve to follow Tim’s path.

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  25. Gregory Avatar

    Mass killings with books? “Das Kapital, Kritik der politischen Ökonomie” and “Quotations” from Chairman Mao come to mind.

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  26. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Numbers, numbers. Just by the current numbers we will not have a balanced budget 10 years from now. We could have a balanced budget in 10 years with come simple adjustments. We could even get the deficit down to 2.5% of GNP in ten years if we go by the numbers. Therein lies the problem.
    The Republicans need to concede that we won’t solve our fiscal problem with spending cuts alone. The liberals who control the White House and the Senate need to concede that we need to cut more spending than raising taxes, i.e., its more of a spending problem than a revenue side problem. Probably never happen. They consider such a concept as blasphemy if not treasonous to libby base.
    Numbers mean more to the likes of Paul Ryan than Nancy or Joe or Barry any day of the week. We are all to familiar with the broken records Maxine Waters, Barney, Chuck Shuemer and Harry Palms bring out every time a logical objective solution is even talked about in back room. “Them Right Wing Extremists are going to throw Granny from the train (after they yank out her gold teeth)!!!” How many times can we throw the same Granny over the cliff? Granny must be one tough bird.
    Without the political will to do what is best for our children and children’s children, we will just keep bailing out water from the sinking cruise liner with a rusty coffee can. No hope.
    Its useless to talk numbers as a number oriented policy will not see the light of day. No political will. It is quite frustrating for those who use the right side of their brain.

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  27. Gregory Avatar

    Lots of JB posts waiting for the other shoo to drop.

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  28. Walt Avatar

    How many 30 round mags do ya got Dougy?
    You can ALWAYS claim they are “pre ban”.
    You turned them in you say? ( yaaa,,,, right)
    Doug.. Just why do you have guns? You don’t hunt.
    And on the side of safety, you have admitted to
    having C.S.S. ( can’ see sh**) So you must be
    incapable of firing a gun safely. So to keep the
    public safe, you should turn over your guns for destruction.
    George, Gregory, and myself will split your ammo hoard into
    equal quantities. ” here,, you take the 5.56, and I will take half of the .308. You take the .44 and I need the .357″ You get the picture….
    Sorry Doug, as a veteran gun owner ( and a VET) I feel your not capable,
    for numerous reasons, of possessing firearms. I’m sure I can find others to 2ND that motion. ( you are known to have broken the law in the past.( local police blotter)
    And FOR THE RECORD,,, I have none. Speeding tickey you may say? ( ya’ got me.. it was only 23 years ago.)

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  29. Walt Avatar

    LWW??? LOL!!! I haven’t lived there in two years. ( your sources suck)
    And being a “green guy” your “carbon footprint” is Sasquatch rated.
    Keep throwing those tires on the fire here. ( ya’ make it SOOO easy)
    You have so many skeletons, you need a walk in closet.
    It’s sure fun now and then “shak’n dem bones”.

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  30. Walt Avatar

    @ Bill T.
    Sort of like the unemployment numbers they choose to use to make things
    look better than they really are. Using the “U” system from 1 through 6
    they monkey with things till they think it’s palatable to the masses.
    ” We will count these people, but NOT these.”
    (Just like messing with the data to make GW look real)

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  31. Walt Avatar

    They tossed you out on your ear attempting copyright infringement.
    So they dropped the charges.. Big deal. So that’s what you call “justification”? ( was that you snapping away during The Hobbit the other night?)
    Our cops drop the charges on tweekers on a daily basis.
    They get their cars back too.
    ( the excuses continue. And No.. your little orange tractor is not exempt, no matter what your excuse is. There is no “size” limitation. That includes your lawn mower. and you know it.)

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  32. George Rebane Avatar

    Administrivia – per my 357pm, all Doug Keachie’s ‘Jesus Betterman’ comments in the interval have been deleted. If this creates a problem for other commenters, just stop responding to Doug’s sock puppet. I trust the man will adapt.

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  33. Walt Avatar

    OH Goody. The green crew is suing the Army corps.of Eng.s
    The taxpayers get hosed again. ( we are paying for the greenie’s attorneys
    fees) Not like that’s new, just never reported. Just for once, I would like
    to see these ECO groups foot their own legal bills.

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  34. George Rebane Avatar

    Walt 557pm – Where do you get that we taxpayers foot the legal bills for the econuts – I thought everyone paid for their own condiments 😉

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  35. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    It’s your blog George, and if you choose to treat me as a second class citizen, I will spend less time here, which I guess will be pleasing to you. You’ve made your double standards pretty clear at this point, and I can make my standards clear as well. Any time I bring up inconvenient truths, from Calif Ed Content standards which Greg misrepresented, to the core science that is not being done in any systematic way by either side in GW, or even a simple explanation of why some folks in Norcal just might happen to believe that Pomona College might be in Pomona, you are a very fussy baby.
    Allowing Greg to exhibit abnormal psychology in his posts, and refusing to allow me to call attention to it, also is now par for your course, and your greens are turning brown as a result.
    I hope Walt didn’t lose his house, you’d make a great banker, George.

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  36. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    How about requiring Walt, Greg, L, MikeyMcD, etc use their full names? More double standards?

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  37. George Rebane Avatar

    DougK 640pm – Communication with you is hard at best. I don’t care if you use Jesus or Doug, but stay consistent so that readers know that there is only one person commenting (I prefer Doug Keachie). But that apparently is beyond liberal logic. So you can hang out your lower lip and pretend I’m treating you as a “second class citizen”.

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  38. Jesus Betterman Avatar

    Greg’s special privileges allows me no choice other than to be Jesus Betterman.

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  39. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    Whenever wealth and philanthropy or investment is talked about we must remember that money is a relative thing.. it’s all about the zeros. If you had a hundred grand to blow you could spend $274 a day for a year. If you had a million bucks to blow you could spend $2740 a day for a year. But if you had a billion bucks you could spend $274,000 a day for a year. Big difference between a millionaire and a billionaire, not to mention someone who makes around double the national average. So when folks cheer about Bill Gates donating a quarter of a billion dollars it is no more of a grand gesture than your average American donating a couple of hundred bucks.

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  40. George Rebane Avatar

    JoeK 724pm – Not sure what you’re on about Joe, but you can be sure that it is indeed “more of a grand gesture” – $274K can move a mountain while $274 struggles with a molehill.
    JesusB 718pm – As you wish.

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  41. Gregory Avatar

    Special privileges? Do tell.
    When Dougie introduced Hayzeus, he explained the thrill he’d get when I’d write that he was the B*****M**, and I’ve avoided giving him that false pleasure. Besides, I find it offensive, despite not being a practicing Christian.
    I didn’t create this sign in for blog use. I filled out a yahoo form years ago, it asked for name, I gave it the one I use. When the logins got weird here, I found this worked, and so kept it. That it pissed off Keachie, who had been working for years to make be look bad, I decided that had advantages.
    Keachie probably doesn’t have a clue how many different socks he’s created over the years. I can count mine on one finger, and Keach can guess which finger that is.
    George, your original choice to axe JB was the superior idea.

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  42. Walt Avatar

    George. In reff to the eco comment, It’s my understanding, and I have heard this form more than once reputable source. ( No, I didn’t go dig myself this time as I usually do.) That when these ecos sue in the name of nature
    (and other things) their legal fees are “reimbursed” (by some obscure law)
    That’s how come they never seem to run out of money no matter how shaky the org. is that brought the issue up. Yes. This is the dirty little secret.
    I will delve deeper into this tomorrow and get to the bottom of it.
    If things are a little diff. than I recall, I will be the first to say so.
    I was thinking you may have heard of this, and was old news.

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  43. Gregory Avatar

    “Any time I bring up inconvenient truths, from Calif Ed Content standards which Greg misrepresented”
    False to the core. The excellent but now defunct Content standards have in any case been replaced with the Federalized “Common Core”, which dumbs down math in California, just not as bad as it was before the Content Standards were created. However, one of the prime movers of the Frameworks that begat the fuzzy math of ’95 the Content Standards demolished (not because fuzzy was allowed but because none of the fuzzy programs contained much math) also the prime mover of Common Core, and there are already complaints that the curriculums being rolled out to meet Common Core are moving back to the fuzzy past rather than the more traditional, deductive approaches that are given lip service in the Common Core documents. It’s downhill.
    “to the core science that is not being done in any systematic way by either side in GW”
    The idea that Doug Keachie has divined what needs to be done in climate research despite having less than a high school understanding of math, chemistry and physics, and veritable armies of math, chemistry and physics Ph.D.’s are working overtime to soak up research grant money have missed it, is beyond silly. The problem was, Doug, that you didn’t really have a clue what a “calorie” was or where it might and might not be used, didn’t realize it wasn’t a favored unit for such research, and don’t have a clue about what you don’t know. The IPCC AR’s are all online; you could have read them at any time and you’d not find “calorie” in many places; gigajoule (GJ) is more common.
    “even a simple explanation of why some folks in Norcal just might happen to believe that Pomona College might be in Pomona you are a very fussy baby”
    When everything in a paragraph you’re using to try to insult me with is wretchedly incorrect, it’s hard not to point and laugh, especially since Pomona College hasn’t been in Pomona for something like 125 years, and I didn’t go to Pomona College. Besides, you knew about the Claremont Colleges… did you really not realize Claremont wasn’t Pomona?

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  44. Walt Avatar

    Me? lose my house? No way.
    It’s been fun giving Dougy the ” hippy in a cage, on a log landing” treatment
    today. ( just poking at’m with a pointy stick)
    Now go fire up that bong Doug, the mental floss will do ya’ good.
    I’ll tune in tomorrow for more fun and games.
    And speaking of changing identities, no one can accuse me of that. LOL

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  45. Jesus Betterman Avatar

    I have a separate email for each sock used at The Union, back when virtually everyone had at least one, sometimes more, like myself. I was particularly fond of Sir Thomas Tom of Appledore, it went well with the Good Knight theme Greg brought to the play. I think all of them are still in my mail program. Greg has been Greg, Gregory, and Gregory Goodknight, not sure why he switches around.
    Basically since Greg took to insulting any ID I came up with, I think the last one was Tom Kenworth, before Hayzeus, I thought I stick him in the awkward position of having the laboriously rewrite both the sock and my real name, and thus even then setting up some doubt in readers mind.
    Special privileges? Your spinnaker* comments are still standing,mine, posted in response to yours, were removed.
    *spinnaker, a substitute word for another which Greg is fond of, and all kinds of related materials he loves to dash into fans, etc. It seems to be an underlying theme with him, and I am not the only target of his ad hominem potty mouth attacks.

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  46. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    George,
    You said “Getting money out of government to you means to start regulating lobbying and putting in place all the apparatus and apparatchiks to enforce that (another spurt in growing government). To me that is messing with my 1st Amend rights.”
    How is that messing with your first amendment rights?
    I say if we have private funding of political parties and candidates at all $100 maximum per candidate and party per citizen. That isn’t that complicated. One person one vote to use a suffrage quote. Why should Bill Gates/ Microsoft have more freedom of speech and access to our government officials than the residential plumber or family farmer? What you are supporting is a FOR SALE sign on the capital lawn, government to the highest bidder.

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  47. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    re: Ben’s 10:06 – The point is that there will always be a FOR SALE sign on the govt’s lawn (as long as folks keep electing whores). We need to make sure they have very little to sell. It does ‘mess’ with our 1st amendment rights when you start limiting how much we can spend. Under your plan, the unions’ candidates will have an instant lock on the election as they won’t be hobbled by the 100 clam limit. The unions will be free to spend what they want as they aren’t a “party”. The cost of such an un-American system to regulate and supervise would be enormous. How in the world would you figure out exactly who gave what? Are you planing to ban cash contributions? Notice once again, the lefties want to ‘fix’ things by having govt curtail, control and limit our behavior. I’ll spend what I damn well please, thank you very much. If you want a better govt, then elect better people.

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  48. Gregory Avatar

    Ben, if you say I can’t spend $101 on a newspaper spread getting my political message out, that’s infringing on my right to free speech. In fact, for $100 you can’t get your message out to hardly anyone.
    It’s settled law from SCOTUS, and no one of any consequence disagrees; you can’t forbid people from spending their own money to get their message to whomever they want to speak to. Free speech and freedom of the press, which, even in the 18th century cost a lot of money, relatively speaking. No one made presses and gave them away to every George, Thomas and Ben who wanted one.
    Keachie, LOL. It isn’t ad hominem when you’re demolishing their arguments, and it IS extremely funny you think that, if only the world would listen to Doug Keachie, that a blind spot would be lifted from the entire world community of geoscientists who are missing the essential research that must be done to make people like Doug Keachie stand up and take climate research seriously.
    What does that sound like?
    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/crackpot
    Thank you, Keach. I think this latest pet theory of yours might just be what I need to innoculate the web from your slimeballs in my direction.

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  49. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Sorry Scott,
    Under my plan each individual citizen has the ability to donate $100 to a candidate and their political party of choice. No union money, no PAC money, no bundlers, no corporate money, no black money, and a short election season where the incentive for the media isn’t to create a horse race but to actually cover the election. At the moment the media tells us who the front runners are by the size of their coffers in which 80% of it will be spent in the media. There are certain aspects of our society that shouldn’t be driven by the profit motive, the news media is one of them.

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  50. Jesus Betterman Avatar

    So Greg, where is Canyon?
    Never heard of the town of Claremont, just the hotel up on the Oakland Berkeley border. For all I and many people might know, Claremont is/was just the name of a very wealthy donor. You are still just a little too LA centric. Do the math, Greg, Claremont was incorporated in 1909 or so, and that’s not 125 years. The original college probably got the land for a song after the original attempt at a town fell through, and the college site is all of one mile away from the current town of Pomona.
    As for the current total heat content of the biosphere, how has it changed over the last 30 years. You may use joules, gigajoules, or calories. There are uses for scientific notation you know, including expressing large numbers compactly.
    And Greg, you need to write to the CA Dept of Ed Superintendent, as his webpage still lists Science Content Standards for Public Schools, Kindergarten through grade 12. Google it, and then tell me again about how they are not in use. I believe I posted the link once already, but it got gassed in Rebane’s Holocausting of Jesus earlier today.
    So Walt whining about all the jobs he couldn’t get has moved on and bought another house and rents out the LWW place? Did you move to the ridge, Walt? Or maybe you’re just renting now? Have fun in the morning.

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