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George Rebane

[This is the linked transcript of my regular KVMR commentary which was broadcast on 18 January 2013.]

UncleSamGimmeOK, the so-called New Year’s fiscal cliff has been avoided, and now it seems that the national hysteria over the Newtown shootings is on the ebb.  We may be able to return our attention to the awesome and real problem that faces our country and every American, whether they are paying attention or not.  That problem is the amount of our debt and unfunded obligations that is beyond the ken of the overwhelming fraction of our citizens.

Washington’s dominant elites are in terminal denial about the problem and its impact.  Their solution to the mounting annual deficits, that have now grown to trillion dollar monstrosities, is the Big Lie – raise taxes on the rich and cut military spending, and all is well.  The tax rises were supposed to have been handled by Obama’s fiscal cliff victory legislation.  Don’t believe a word of it.  It took less than two weeks for the opening drums to begin beating for raising more taxes on everyone – including the formerly sacrosanct middle class.  Why?  Because that’s where the money is.

But today things are so bad that taxes cannot be raised high enough to dent the debt.  Entitlements and transfer payment spending must also be drastically cut.  Problem is that there’s not a single Democrat who will acknowledge that, even while their own Congressional Budget Office is pointing out the obvious arithmetic involved.  Instead, we will attempt ‘solutions’ that involve even higher taxes and more regulations to stifle freedoms and economic growth.  In short, we are hell bent headed for the now defunct European model.  The WSJ reports that –


“Europe’s vaunted social model has struggled to generate growth or jobs for decades. Prior to the creation of the euro, national governments masked this problem with a combination of deficit spending and devaluation. The borrowed money would help pay for generous welfare benefits for those driven out of work by inflexible labor-market rules and economic stagnation. Currency devaluation would ease the burden of all that borrowing by allowing governments to pay back debt with devalued lire and francs while offering a short-term boost to wage-cost competitiveness. … But there remains no clear consensus, at least outside Germany, that the European way of welfare itself is bankrupt, that it never worked as well as its defenders pretended, and what we’re witnessing is the coming due of all the checks kited over decades to keep it afloat.”

Here in the US our average marginal tax rate is already 40% according to the Federal Reserve that is now starting to mumble concerns about economic growth.  Research by Ohanian, Raffo, and Rogerson concludes that raising tax rates any higher will “significantly reduce US economic activity” while providing minimal increase in government revenues.  In short, that cow won’t milk any more.

In California, when we combine all federal and state taxes, the highest marginal tax rates are at 60% – that means that you’ll keep only 40 cents out of every dollar earned when deciding to work one more hour or make the next investment.

Given these tax rates, Prescott and Ohanian tell us that “The incentive to produce goods for the market is particularly depressed when tax revenue is returned to households either as government transfers or transfers-in-kind—such as public schooling, police and fire protection, food stamps, and health care—that substitute for private consumption.”

Prescott and Ohanian tell us that “Entrepreneurship is much lower in Europe, suggesting that high tax rates and poorly designed regulation discourage new business creation. The Economist reports that between 1976 and 2007 only one continental European startup, Norway’s Renewable Energy Corporation, achieved a level of success comparable to that of Microsoft, Apple and other U.S. giants making the Financial Times Index of the world’s 500 largest companies.”

Given that we will have higher taxes and more burdensome regulations, like Dodd-Frank and from Obamacare, that misdirect capital to unproductive areas, “the U.S. will face a much more serious problem than a 2013 recession. It will face a permanent and growing decline in relative living standards.”

We end with a candid observation from Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean, “this may seem like heresy (but) the truth is, everybody needs to pay more taxes, not just the rich.”

My name is Rebane, and I expand on this and related themes on georgerebane.com where the linked transcript of this commentary is posted, and where such issues are debated extensively.  However these views are not necessarily shared by KVMR.  Thank you for listening.

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21 responses to “Taxes, taxes, and more taxes”

  1. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Government can never have enough revenue. At least modern day governments. Think it was Thomas Jefferson’s 1st or 2nd State of the Union speech where he declared that most taxes would be eliminated because the tariffs were enough to suffice. He realized that the government needed just enough to get by and no more. How far we have come (or strayed).
    Raising taxes (revenues) is now rampant and the more we give, the more they want more. They will eventually kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. Expect all fees to skyrocket higher as well. Remember when the local dump increased its cost of admission? Seemed fair and only right that somebody pay for the new transfer station. But what happened? Locals starting hauling their crap down to Marysville until some local screwball politicians wanted Marysville to bar Nevada County locals for using Marysville’s 9 dollar a pickup load dump fee as opposed to NC’s 50 bucks or whatever it was. People reacted and adapted to the higher dump fees and revenues dropped. Finally, the local dump dropped its price of admission.
    Remember also when the local dump decided to charge 50 bucks for an old big console TV and 20 bucks for a computer monitor. What was the result of that grand scheme? Well, TVs and monitors started being tossed along the roadways and behind business dumpsters. People react to being gouged and finally the local dump ate crow and lowered the reclamation charges.
    I strongly believe that in most matters concerning grandiose plans, the fatal flaw is no one accounts for human nature. From new gun laws to building Utopia, social planners always always fail because of the easily predictable ways of human nature. Why are the wealthiest of the French choosing to live in Eastern Europe or Russia rather than Western Europe? It is so much better there or is it the taxes rates are so much more favorable? Why do states that raise tobacco taxes exorbitantly fail to bring in enough revenue to cover to cost of running smoking cessation programs and other feel good erotica? Cause people are crossing state lines to buy their smokes. The only things certain in life are death, taxes, and human nature’s response to bending over and taking it in the anal cavity.

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  2. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Even though it’s dark outside, I decided to step outdoors to see if the sky was falling. Nope, the sky is still up there.
    I like the K-1 way. Gives me hope.
    http://www.taxalmanac.org/index.php/K-1_Issues_for_Individual_Taxpayers,_General

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  3. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Re Bill Tozer 808pm – Too much whining and complaining for my tastes. Get a grip!

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  4. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Marysville is $12 for the first 400 lbs, we own in both localities. If you do Marysville, a cover tarp is essential. The cop sits right at the entrance from time to time.

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  5. earlcrabb Avatar

    I did a cartoon about the dump fees back then. I reasoned that it would be cheaper to send your garbage to the Rood Center via UPS than to take it to the dump. Ha ha!

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  6. TheMikeyMcD Avatar
    TheMikeyMcD

    We will all continue to dance until the music stops…

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  7. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    re Bill’s post on the dump fees – They didn’t lower the fees, they just started charging them in different ways. You now pay when you buy a new appliance or TV. That money helps to run the e-waste program and the hazardous material drop off. I’m not happy with it, but I’m also not happy to find a load of trash and appliances dumped on our property. I was lucky once to catch a guy driving on the property “looking for a place to park his truck”. It just happened to have a load of trash in the back.

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  8. Douglas Keacie Avatar
    Douglas Keacie

    Those who don’t understand the logic and usefulness of having locked gates, may also have difficulty with laws designed to keep those who pick inappropriate targets, from getting their hands on guns, with which to hit those targets.

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  9. Gregory Avatar

    Who is “Douglas Keacie”? A sock imposter, or Doug having problems spelling his own last name?

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  10. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Greg, apparently during login, which I normally do by typing the first letter of my last name, clicking on it as it pops up, and then moving onto the next field, where I do the same thing for the email, somehow it managed to slip in a deletion before going to the email. Thank-you for calling it to my attention!

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  11. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    Rather than starve the beast, why not change the tax codes? About $1.2 trillion a year is lost to loopholes that benefit only a small number of people. Billions a year could be generated by a small, like one penny or less, fee on computer generated stock trades. BTW–a far greater threat to our economy comes from algorithm trading programs (one stock recently traded from between one cent and thirty dollars in one second) gone haywire than so called entitlements. Why not tax capital gains as regular income? Why should people who earn their money through labor pay more than those who earn money doing nothing but throwing their money around? The only factor we all share in life is time. Is a wealthy person’s time worth more in the eyes of God than a working person’s time, thus is a wealthy person’s life more valuable? I think not. Money, after all, is the root of all evil.

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  12. George Rebane Avatar

    JoeK 1043am – Wow, changing/simplifying the tax code, and legislating as if to please God – why didn’t anyone think of those things before?

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  13. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Joe, I’ve outlined this plan here many times, they naysay it. BTW, Mark Kuban, billionaire has also championed the notion, well before it occurred to me.

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  14. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    George– The reference to God is a figure of speech used as a reference to common sense and fairness from a humanistic rather than economic perspective. The “makers” and “takers” perspective only works when you take humanity out of the equation and substitute financial mumbo jumbo in its place. The wealthy have plenty more than they will ever need and their continued selfish grubbing for more flies in the face of human morality and common sense. The big-boxing of America has decreased the standard of living wiping out the Mom & Pop businesses that built America and replacing them with low wage clerk jobs. The moving of the manufacturing base overseas to take advantage of low wages left millions of hard working people jobless, working part time or in low wage service jobs. Why? Profit plain and simple. One only need look at the adjusted for inflation figures on the increasing rich/poor gap for proof. Instead of many people becoming moderately wealthy, we now have a few people who are obscenely wealthy. If you had all the money you ever needed, why would you pull the rug out from under millions of people who depended on the old so-called “social contract” between the robber barons and the rest of us, that in exchange for a favorable business climate, decent jobs and a decent retirement can be earned through hard work. Perhaps the reason the business climate in the US “seems” so hostile is that the corporations are hostile toward the very people they depend upon for their profit.

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  15. George Rebane Avatar

    JoeK 1207pm – At what point of personal wealth should Huntington, Bell, Edison, Ford, Carnegie, Hughes, Gates,… have given up their business enterprises and retired quietly to the countryside?
    Would we Americans continue enjoying our quality of life if the feds upped the tariffs on imports sufficiently to allow overpaid American labor to achieve some mandated equality in a mangled domestic marketplace?
    Through subsidies and regulations should the feds return us to the auto market of a century ago when we had a hundred small car manufactories all over the country? Why do we still subsidize family farms (and big agri)? Should the government break up Microsoft, Amazon, Google, …?
    The sad humor of this dialogue is that you socialists always know all the answers about how an economy works and humans behave, until such answers are put into practice.
    Some people still understand that profit is the reward for successfully undertaking risk. And if such profit is excessive, it invites new suppliers who will satisfy demand at lower rates of profit – unless, of course, government steps in to protect those they favor. The socialist, who understands neither markets nor entrepreneurial risk, always seems to know exactly when profits become ‘excessive’ and are the pursuit of ‘greed’.
    Do you still wonder why so many of us want to begone from you?

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  16. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    “Do you still wonder why so many of us want to begone from you?” ~George Rebane, 12:52~
    It’s called, “take the money and the country and run…”

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  17. Russ Steele Avatar

    Points and Figures: America is on a bullet train to debt hell.  The numbers speak for themselves.
    There are several graphs in this article that I would like our liberal/progressive readers to explain to me. How is this debt growth sustainable and how will the policies of the Obama administration reverse the direction of the lines on these charts. I am sure you all have some workable solutions to share with us, however I am not interested in your economic fantasies! Workable solutions, like drill baby drill, so we are fossil fuel independent by 2020.

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  18. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    re: Doug at 10:04 – Thanks for the usual childish, snotty remarks we have all come to love and admire. A true modern lefty, through and through. Laws to keep folks that shouldn’t have a gun from obtaining them? Try Chicago, Doug. They have them. They must work quite well as there are some citizens still living there that haven’t been shot. The mayor, for instance. Let us all know what laws you think will actually keep perps from obtaining guns. We could all use a laugh.

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  19. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Russ at 4:36 – It’s hopeless, Russ. Joe K’s post is typical of a most Americans. “About $1.2 trillion a year is lost to loopholes that benefit only a small number of people.” 1.2 T a year from ‘a small number’ (a thousand, a million?) of people? Really? Year after year? It won’t balance the budget, let alone pay down the debt and it’s a stupid fantasy that satisfies their hatred and prejudice. They don’t really care or understand about the budget – they just want revenge. Just as they don’t really care about protecting children in schools. They just want to go after the NRA. Watch MSNBC. You’ll see.

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  20. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    re: Mr. Anderson 1/18/2013@ 8:39pm: Yes, I could have saved a whole lot of typing by using just 3 words: Cause and Effect. For every action there is an equal reaction. I normally don’t bitch too much about taxes in general. History shows the more you tax something, the less you get. Only my sweet darling liberal friends fail to comprehend this fact of life. They are so cute when they get all red faced about the advent of taxing recreational marijuana. Tax a plant? Tax something that God created? Then they sing a different tune. Always tax the other guy, not me and not in my backyard!
    Its these fees that are getting out of hand. A fellow from the Colfax area recently went up to Cabelas in Reno. He bought himself some special warm socks for hunting. The clerk told him there is now a special tax on them socks as they are considered a medical devise, thus they fall under the Obamacare regulations and surcharges. Yep, we must tax the rich to help pay for Obamacare and help the little guy. Its only fair. Wait, that fellow is one of the little guys. Wonder if hand warmers are now considered medical devises?

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