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ConstitutionBit by piece America’s Left is unraveling the role of our Constitution as the foundation of our country’s governance.  Undoing the legacy of our Founders has now progressed from dancing the progressives’ constitutional sidestep to a growing chorus of calls to do away with the Constitution altogether – a document they see filled with “evil provisions” that has long held us in “bondage”.  This is the conclusion that constitutional law professor Louis Seidman presented in his 30dec12 NYT op-ed ‘Let’s Give Up on the Constitution’.

And I don’t think that Seidman is the only academic who has been denigrating the Constitution in our halls of ivy.  Progressives have correctly concluded that the Constitution does stand squarely in the way of their desire to fundamentally transform America into the next attempt at a socialist paradise.  So, as Seidman, they claim that it is the restrictions of our Constitution that have caused everything from our dire fiscal cliffs (yes, plural) to the heartbreak of psoriasis.

While agreeing that certain parts of the Constitution need to be retained, Seidman advises that we can govern ourselves through some TBD ad hoc process that we make up as we go along.  He claims that “(our) obsession with the Constitution has saddled us with a dysfunctional political system, kept us from debating the merits of divisive issues and inflamed our public discourse”, and asks us to “imagine that after careful study a government official — say, the president or one of the party leaders in Congress — reaches a considered judgment that a particular course of action is best for the country.”  Should such judgments and courses of action be then reviewed in light of the Constitution?  Absolutely not, according to this prominent maven of constitutional law.


What Seidman promotes is that politicians who have demonstrated their thin credentials in both knowledge and intellect, and who are overwhelmingly concerned only with increasing their prospects for re-election, it is they who should be the architects of ongoing revisionist government, swaying in the winds of managed public opinion.  Most of us learned that this is exactly what foundational documents like our Constitution are supposed to prevent, and why such prevention is necessary if the Republic is to survive.

More considered interpretations of our current troubles show their clear source to be from ignoring the Constitution, and not in excessively hewing to its provisions.   Constitutional scholar Professor Rob Natelson has responded to assaults on our Constitution, and did so again in this 4jan13 piece.  There he concludes that “America performed brilliantly when constitutional limits were honored. As those limits have eroded, we have lost our edge: Economic growth has slowed, the civic fabric has frayed, and we have fallen into fiscal crisis. The fault, therefore, is not in the Constitution. It rests in politicians who disregard it and in scholars, jurists, and other citizens who encourage them to do so.”

Here is Fox News’ Megyn Kelly interviewing Professor Seidman.

So dear reader, are not such overtures more reason to conclude that we are an irreparably divided people attempting to govern one nation that is of two distinct minds, neither respecting the methods, manners, and morals of the other?

[H/T to a RR reader and regular contributor to the comment streams in these pages for bringing this timely topic to our collective attention.]

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100 responses to “The Great Divide – ‘We don’t need no stinking Constitution’”

  1. Ryan Mount Avatar

    Argh. Mother. Poop-sicle!
    This:
    http://www.melbourneinstitute.com/downloads/working_paper_series/wp2008n17.pdf
    George, my apologies for barf on your blog. Just trying to get the study up. This one works.

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  2. Gregory Avatar

    “Re GR’s 326 pm – I’d like to amend #3 to some sort of biometric technology-”
    Outside of James Bond movies, it really doesn’t exist and to be truly effective you need a fully grown and hungry Komodo Dragon for mop-up.
    The problem with any gizmo to keep the thing from operating is that the buyer has to accept the possibility of malfunction at exactly the wrong time. It’s unlikely than anyone but a guilt-ridden Volvo driver would actually pay more money for a technology that could fail them at the worst time imaginable that really doesn’t do anything more than a simple lock would.

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  3. Gregory Avatar

    “Registration is already onerous, but necessary if certifiable and certified mental defectives are to be kept from buying guns.”
    George, certified mental cases, felons, etc etc are exempted from all registration laws.
    It’s a 5th Amendment thing.

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  4. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Greg, I buy gizmos that work. If a biometric trigger is invented and gets good reviews on Yelp!, I’ll buy it.

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  5. Ryan Mount Avatar

    Michael-
    You’re up too late! Or I’m up too early, either way, that’s not good.
    [wonders out loud] How big would such a biometric device be? I’m thinking it might be as big as the weapon. How about a key/chamber locks instead? Although we still have George’s question regarding home invasion, etc. Maybe key locks should be mandatory for assault-ish type weapons?
    I think some States are required to sell gun locks. Not sure if owners are required to use them.
    http://www.bradycampaign.org/stategunlaws/
    (Note, the is from the Brady outfit but seems to have some good info)
    Should we just adopt CA standards + gun show “loopholes?” Would that make everyone STFU?

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  6. TheyMikeyMcD Avatar
    TheyMikeyMcD

    Dumbest Laws‏@DumbestLaws
    We didn’t ban guns when it was the government killing innocent students at Kent State University in 1970…

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  7. Gregory Avatar

    MAnderson also sent me one of his silly threats to sue me last night at 1AM-ish… apparently he really is a “guilt-ridden Volvo driver”. Too funny!

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  8. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Greg, you have a stalking history. Just another shot across the bow. Take it like a man and move on dude.

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  9. Gregory Avatar

    “Greg, I buy gizmos that work. If a biometric trigger is invented and gets good reviews on Yelp!, I’ll buy it.” M Anderson
    Maybe, just maybe, you should wait until one is actually invented and tested by tens of thousands of owners before you again start suggesting they should be required.

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  10. Ryan Mount Avatar

    Hey now. There’s nothing wrong with a Volvo. A Miata? Yes. It’s already been discussed here.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTJZEK4JP0k
    Mikey-
    No worry. No matter where we go, we’ve got these to protect us…

    Police Protection is ALWAYS an afterthought. And sometimes, it’s not even protection. This is not to disparage the police in anyway, it seems to be more a matter of documented fact.

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  11. Gregory Avatar

    “Greg, you have a stalking history.”
    That is absolutely FALSE, and defamatory.

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  12. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Ann Coulter has a current article correcting the bimba liberal extremist Rosenthal of the New York Times. Ann takes the lib to task for bad or no facts on the Australia gun laws.
    Greg, if there is a stalker on these blogs it sure isn’t you. I would say it may be a MA! LOL!

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  13. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Teaching Algebra is yet another push by liberals for socialism in schools, according to this Fox commentator:
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/10/eric-bolling-schools-pushing-the-liberal-agenda-by-teaching-algebra/

    “Greg, you have a stalking history.”
    That is absolutely FALSE, and defamatory.”
    I think I’ll take that statement with many grains of celery NaCl.

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  14. Gregory Avatar

    Well, Todd, my first run in with “mandersonation” was on TheUnion.com when he was doing his ‘scary’ Climate Nazi act trying to shut up my AGW scoffer rhetoric. It didn’t work.
    Mike, take this like a man: Nut up or shut up. Have your “lawyer” drop me an email and I’ll send him the email I sent my lawyer when you pulled the BS that I mention above. And he can tell me why any of your threats hold any water, especially given the public persona of “mandersonation” and your NevadaCityFreePress sideline, modest as it may be.
    I still think it’s hilarious that my Volvo owner stereotype hit so close to the mark. Rarely does life imitate snark so closely.

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  15. Gregory Avatar

    Keach didn’t follow the link to the “Distribute the Wealth” worksheet example. It really is a math worksheet that many parents could be expected to choke on:
    http://teacherexpress.scholastic.com/subject/math/multiplication/distribute-the-wealth-understanding-the-distributive-property-scholastic-success-with-multiplication-grade-5#

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  16. Ryan Mount Avatar

    Re: distributing the wealth
    OMG. How many times have I’ve been transporting teenagers around Nevada County and had to suffer with their amateur political science? Being broke, most (not all) happily tell me how much better America would be if we just had “socialism.” What I suspect they’re complaining about, is how their parents are ragging on them to get a job, and the fact that have no money having exhausted all of the low-hanging fruit arguments about why they are “too busy.”
    This is not indoctrination, but more a common youthful indiscretion. It’s like that Winston Churchill line about being young/having a heart/Liberal and old[er] and Conservative/having a brain. Typically I choose my battles and do not argue with them. Because explaining the economy of scale of a pencil, for example, would invariably lead to, “we’re destroying the planet by deforesting it for writing implements!” And perhaps proclamations that I am a dick. It’s best not to negotiate with terrorists and simply force them into re-education work camps. Or at least force them to pick up their rooms.

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  17. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Greg, my timeline in dealing with your nonsense is my own. Just keep on bein’ you.

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  18. George Rebane Avatar

    RyanM 625am – My sadness is that, as products of our socialist oriented school system, these young people enter the adult world with a totally broken worldview and vote that worldview. This is why Democrats are so enthusiastic to sign up young voters because they are almost uniformly ignorant, i.e. loaded, aimed, and cocked to support every leftist cause out there. Some will shift later when they gain experience, but many (most?) of them will become lifelong collectivists because of bad education/job choices, or just not having the double helix for anything else.

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  19. Gregory Avatar

    “Greg, you have a stalking history.” – Michael Anderson, 10 January 2013 at 09:02 AM
    That is absolutely FALSE, and defamatory. By the National Center for Victims of Crime, “Virtually any unwanted contact between two people [that intends] to directly or indirectly communicates a threat or places the victim in fear can be considered stalking”. That fits your words in TheUnion (you know which ones) to a “T”.
    MA, your baseless threats of legal action are a continued harassment (though easier than making a cogent argument, aren’t they?) but I’ve no doubt any lawyer you’d actually hire would look at what you’ve written and tell you to give it up.

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  20. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Jim Neilson won the 4th Senate District last Tuesday. He whipped the democrats ass real good. He got 66% of the district wide vote and 60% here in the “purple” county.
    http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/state-senate/district/4/

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  21. Ryan Mount Avatar

    George-
    Hi. I’m just not convinced that youngster’s embrace of “socialism” is nothing more than youthful exuberance and naivete, than some kind of programmatic indoctrination. Although there does seem to be some evidence here and there.
    But if our schools are so bad at teaching math, then they’ve got to be bad at teaching everything else including communism/socialism/whatever. A lowering tide lowers all ships. Or are collectivist ships spared?
    My explanation is more along the lines of laziness, narcissism, parental negligence, and frankly too much privilege and liberty that was just handed to our kids.

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  22. George Rebane Avatar

    RyanM 935am – you are correct in as far as you go. But it has always been the youngsters’ embrace of socialism that serves the autocrat. They are the easiest cohort of (Lenin’s) “useful idiots” to convince of the blessings of collectivism.
    I maintain that it’s almost impossible to screw up teaching socialism; its principles are so simple, and also so simply beguiling. The young person, no matter how poorly endowed, feels accomplished on understanding his first major ideological tenets of a belief system that is accepted by respected adults, besides their having made such an impact in correctly taught history.

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  23. Ryan Mount Avatar

    I find this interesting. And I’m not sure I agree with you George about socialism being easier to teach, but it’s a tantalizing thought that I haven’t considered until I asked the rhetorical question above. My assumption was that a bad school would teach all subjects poorly. So why are we worried about proto-Leninists coming out of NU. My bets would be on more pot smokers and other people who hang around the downtown Safeway.
    How about this, which might be consoling: we’re raising slacker, poorly trained, and inept socialists. (or is that redundant?)

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  24. George Rebane Avatar

    RyanM 1121am – good points. First, I have found that in the teaching of various subjects one encounters widely different challenges – say, between forms of governance and differential calculus. Even an overall bad school will teach some subjects better than others. Simple principles (no matter their incorrect application) like ‘share and share alike’ are easy to demonstrate and teach.
    However, your offered consolation is no doubt correct. Nevertheless, the downside of regularly releasing hordes of “inept socialists” into our society is that they can do just as much, if not more, harm in a republican democracy than the studied elite socialists. (Love your “proto-Leninist” appellation.)

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  25. Ryan Mount Avatar

    So It’s like what we say in the kitchen: the more dangerous thing is a dull knife.

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  26. Gregory Avatar

    “But if our schools are so bad at teaching math, then they’ve got to be bad at teaching everything else including communism/socialism/whatever.”
    Teaching the little darling they should be given stuff just because they deserve it is easy. Math is hard.

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  27. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Greg, so a little girl handing out cash, as a way of establishing a mnemonic for the distribute properties in multiplication is going to cause parents to choke?
    Sad.
    For a quick review, done well, try this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYapIz2dPzg

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  28. Gregory Avatar

    “Distributing the wealth” is it’s own message, Doug. Sounds like one of your lessons?

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  29. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Use the phrase all the time, as in, “This country is run by and for the benefit of multi-millionaires and up, and they decide how to distribute the wealth, based on the lobbyists they can afford to buy.” The poor and middle classes certainly aren’t doing that job.

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  30. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Greg wrote: “…but I’ve no doubt any lawyer you’d actually hire would look at what you’ve written and tell you to give it up.”
    The lawyer I actually hired knows the whole story. He’s read everything.
    He thinks you’re mean and nasty, and he says that when you publish private information about people on public blogs, you cross various lines that I won’t go into detail at the moment. He also has great concerns about blog administrators that don’t keep a short leash on blog comments that could lead to litigation.

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  31. George Rebane Avatar

    Administrivia – Gentlemen, we have another contest going on re whose lawyer has the lightest trigger. Cut out the inter-personal shit, and get back to talking about the issues. Capice?

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  32. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    For those math majors who don’t understand clear English, here’s the visual aid for my 4:41 pm.

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  33. Gregory Avatar

    George, I’m sorry to find now you’re being warned about litigation. It’s all I’ve gotten; warnings. I’m still waiting to hear what defamation is alleged, or what private information I have been accused of divulging. As far as I know, I’ve never ever written anything that fits either.
    What I have done is stand up for my understanding of AGW and I’m happy to say my thoughts in March ’07 stand up pretty well, and the folks who were trying to pound me down on other blogs including mandersonation, a score or more of Keachie’s dirty socks, Frisch, Pelline and even a PhD biologist who managed to never take a single physics class did their best to try to shut me up.
    The problem seems to be I hit back.
    The biologist who was musing about suing me said the lawyer, perhaps the same one, didn’t actually find anything I wrote that was defamatory, just never went over that edge. Not a surprise, unlike some of the more erratic of my harassers, I don’t make stuff up.
    Once again, anyone who either posts at blogs or runs one should be very aware of the Electronic Frontier Foundation guidelines. The defamation guide is front and center, the left sidebar as many other interesting links.
    https://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/defamation
    George, your protections under the law include these gems that seem to contravene MA’s not so veiled threats:
    https://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/230

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  34. George Rebane Avatar

    DougK 639pm – And I’m sure you have an equivalent one for Democrats, right?

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  35. Gregory Avatar

    Regarding the math lesson some parents seem to have thought to have a political message, “Distribute the Wealth”, Doug seems to agree, it’s just that he likes the message.
    A neutral title that even George Soros would like would have been “Distributing profits”. Little Mary got twice as much as Tiny Tim because she invested more and earlier. She owned that share of the profits. What a concept.

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  36. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Greg wrote: “[Various people who allegedly] did their best to try to shut me up.”
    No one is trying to shut you up, Greg. NO ONE. You clearly are not receiving the message. Your detractors just want you to just stop being such a complete pill.
    That’s it. That’s all there is to it.
    Every one of your responses, regardless of the subject, is a personal dig about that person’s veracity, intelligence, or understanding of the subject matter. You are ALWAYS the smartest boy in the room, according to you. And not once, NOT ONCE, have you ever said, “gee, that gives me something to think about.”
    Then you wrote: “The problem seems to be I hit back.”
    Nope, wrong again. The problem is that you hit first. And if anyone responds, you hit again. You’re a bully, that’s really all there is to it. And for some reason, George tolerates it here. I don’t quite understand why.

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  37. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    BTW Greg, as I have written before during the past 3 years on the various blogs, I personally have a much better understanding of the alleged claims of AGW thanks to the links you have provided on various blogs, under your own name, since the summer of 2009. I have learned a lot thanks to you, and many others with a serious HT to Russ Steele (along with Watts Up With That?, which I never would have found it not for these blogs).
    But in Nevada City this weekend, the theme is about the crisis of AGW. Isn’t this the place where you would want to get out the message? The answer is “yes.” But you have to MARKET it, with boots on the ground. Your boots!
    Greg, you have to engage, and SELL IT to the wealth producers from the Silicon Valley who are here for a nice weekend of feel-good, have completely taken over your town, and are dumping oodles of cash money into the local economy.
    Got growth?

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  38. Gregory Avatar

    You seem to be projecting again, Mike. What a tantrum.
    “Every one of your responses, regardless of the subject, is a personal dig about that person’s veracity, intelligence, or understanding of the subject matter. You are ALWAYS the smartest boy in the room, according to you.”
    Really, Mike, get a grip. I’d say none of those fit any of my posts in this thread, with this specific exception regarding a statement of yours…”Greg, you have a stalking history.” False, and defamatory.

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  39. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Sigh…..
    Just dealing with the bully. Not sure why I bother.
    Did anyone on the “left” write anything in the last few months that you found compelling?

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  40. George Rebane Avatar

    MichaelA 1152pm – AGW skeptics being at this weekend’s film festival with “boots on the ground”? I do think that would impolite and disrespectful to the attendees.
    You see, AGW skepticism, along the lines argued on WUWT, Russ Steele’s blogs, and RR, is based on critical examination and debate of the science behind climate change. For the attendees of the film festival AGW is a religious matter, and the occasion is a faith-based happening. There is, and never has been, anything science can say to dissuade the political capital that has been piled high and dry on this cause to implement more government controls on our lives (cf Agenda21).
    To put our boots on the ground at that festival and once more argue the science would be as rude as a bunch of secular humanist Lefties crowding in the door of the sanctuary during Sunday worship shouting ‘God is dead!’ Not nice, not nice at all.
    We’ll continue making the case after their own AGW services are over.

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  41. Gregory Avatar

    George, in other words, it would be equivalent to the old counsel not to try to teach pigs to sing, as it wastes your time and it annoys the pig.
    “Faith-based happening” is exactly right. These are people who, like the FUE, think it’s a given that Hurricane Sandy was caused by everyone else’s CO2 emissions. I wouldn’t bother crashing a Sunday service of snake handling evangelicals to talk about orbital mechanics or evolution, either.
    Catastrophic AGW is sliding towards oblivion at the moment. NONE of the models are doing anything but worse when compared to what the world is actually doing. Some of the rhetoric is getting more shrill but that’s to be expected; the true believers know they just have to keep it going until the rapture (or maybe all that warming in the pipeline no one can find) occurs.

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  42. Gregory Avatar

    “Just dealing with the bully. Not sure why I bother.”
    The “bully” (nice dehumanizing word, isn’t it?) thinks they’re doing the same. Your past bullying had my wife shaking in fear until I convinced her that you were probably just a computer geek hiding behind a screen, tossing crap into the aether and wouldn’t actually be doing anything.
    One just doesn’t forget things like that, and here you are, still making threats, the last one because I dared make fun of Volvo drivers and that was a divulging of private information that I didn’t actually have. Oh! the humanity!

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  43. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 1128am – “Catastrophic AGW is sliding towards oblivion at the moment.” Agreed, but it still has a way to go. Along this vein, this piece in today’s WSJ may enlarge the perspectives of where Team Gore is on the matter.
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323482504578229412912307992.html
    And Russ Steele’s piece expands further.
    http://youvotedforitblog.wordpress.com/2013/01/12/january-12th-2013/

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  44. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Greg, do a search for the word “Sorry” and you’ll find a great many posts that Michael references. It’s your favorite word when dismissing other folks’ opinions, you must have played the game a lot as a kid.

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  45. Gregory Avatar

    Sorry, Keach, one more dismissal of an opinion of yours. You’ll just have to live with it.
    George, a more interesting discussion from the middle is usually at judithcurry.com, Dr.Curry being a lukewarmer who talks to both sides. For example, the most recent post includes her comment regarding a draft US document,
    “The document is framed around the assumption that climate change is caused by anthropogenic forcing, and that future adverse impacts are extrapolated through climate model projections. Any characterization of uncertainty seems like an afterthought… I am very concerned that the highly confident story being told here has enormous potential to mislead decision makers.”
    Unfortunately I’m not a WSJ subscriber, and Russ, while well meaning, just doesn’t have all that much to add.

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  46. Gregory Avatar

    “Greg, you have to engage, and SELL IT to the wealth producers from the Silicon Valley who are here for a nice weekend of feel-good, have completely taken over your town, and are dumping oodles of cash money into the local economy.
    Got growth?”
    Got goosebumps? One feelgooder particularly confident in their ability to weather anything, was walking around in shorts. It was 25F when I got home 9ish last night, and it looks like it will be about the same tonight.
    It may be the newly renamed Al Gorejeera effect, really cold temps whenever an AGW event occurs. Nothing teaches like a good example at a teachable moment, and there’s nothing like walking out the door of an alarmist documentary with a nice dose of reality to put things in context. Eventually, the lack of palpable warming, as opposed to bad weather (be it especially cold or hot, wet or dry) being blamed on warming, will be noticed.

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  47. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 109pm – Thanks for the link. While Dr Curry’s background in the salient factors of climate modeling, especially the math in the modeling, appears light, she’s in the proper field and runs a good blog on the topic. Moreover, some of her commenters are definitely up on the control/estimation parts of (or their absence from) general circulation models and data analysis.
    Here on RR I take an occasional crack at the next outlandish claims the True Believers publish, but I mostly stay on the political and social side of the commentary since according to my lights AGW is strictly a faith-based propaganda movement. Arguing the silliness of its science claims is pick and shovel work, which is carried out admirably by more industrious souls than the one inhabiting this lazy carcass. My current technical interests find application in another field.
    However, I still maintain that my take on the proper way to frame the debate is well established in these pages and, from what I can find, unique. It appears also to be difficult to understand (or I haven’t done a very good job in its explication). From my correspondence I am heartened that those who traveled similar roads to mine through the academic jungles have no problem in understanding/sharing my views on what really makes the public debate over AGW nonsensical.
    Like your 138pm remarks re the “Al Gorejeera effect”.

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