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George Rebane

DiminishingReturnsAnother large impediment to making progress when attempting to reason with progressives is that their world lacks the reality of diminishing returns that accrue when any enterprise is taken past its optimum operating point, let alone being taken to an extreme.  Most certainly the concept is no longer taught in schools as a short conversation with the public educated teenager of your choice will reveal.

This seminal truth about the liberal mind again displayed itself in recent debates on these pages that concern the looming fiscal cliff and bringing socialized healthcare to America.  Preceding these issues has been the already decades long imperative to make our country insanely safe and risk free.  Consumer advocacy groups, manned almost wholly by leftists, scream bloody murder when the next kid is injured, sickened, or killed on a playground or from his (usually) unusual use of a plaything.

Simple back of the envelope calculations (an inaccessible feat in this land) will quickly show that the rate or probability of occurrence of almost all such incidents is vanishingly small, but that makes no nevermind to the liberal brain.  The clinching argument for overreaction is – ‘But what if s/he were your child?’  When presented as response, that clinching question is sure to draw a bevy of self-satisfied nods from a chorus of the like-minded.  To liberal minds it appears that social policies are immune to the law of diminishing returns.


The notion underpinning this is the unfounded tenet that every life is of infinite worth, and we should not rest or leave any stone unturned in the attempt to save that last life.  Well, a moment’s thought about how we put finite dollar values on lives all throughout our land should dispel that belief, but alas, that moments’ thought is never forthcoming.  Instead, we go forward with a fistful of new laws, regulations, and litigation cases ‘to make sure that this tragedy never happens again.’  The overall cost to the common weal is never considered when the video of the injured child or the distraught/grieving parents is shown.

As an aside for the untutored in how human life is priced in our society, look no further than the calmly made decision to spend highway funds for decorative landscaping, instead of on, say, additional center divide barriers.  Again, the back of the envelope lets us calculate how our road department puts a dollar value on human life.  But that sacrifice to esthetics is invisible because the losses don’t occur right after the last roadside petunia is planted.

The same opacity is ever present (for reasons that completely elude me) in the healthcare field in which we lose about 100,000 lives annually due to what are simply called “medical mistakes”.  It turns out that in this statistic, ALL of these mistakes could have been prevented.  Nevertheless most of these mistakes occur year after year because – you guessed it – human life is not of infinite worth.  (In fact, to some professions such ongoing mortality and morbidity come as a special blessing – any guesses which ones?)

An added facet of diminishing returns states simply that there comes a point in the attempt to achieve a realworld goal where the cost of marginal benefit starts going up, and skyrockets as we try to achieve that last percentage point of perfection.  A particular weakness, here again revealed in the liberal mind, is the static analysis to predict tax returns that totally ignores/rejects the reality of the Laffer Curve (q.v.) – another expression of diminishing returns.

Our progressive brethren will not accept the reality that the last indigent, and probably many more, will still die in the street or alleyway, no matter what they do.  But he’s willing to spend your last cent in the attempt to create a healthcare system that will save those poor and unfortunate souls whose number seems to grow with every passing month.  (The original government figure of 9M, less than 3% of the population of those who want and don’t have healthcare, has now magically ballooned to almost 50M who are pining for healthcare they can’t afford.  To correct that, the government will take over and mismanage another sixth of our economy.)

Socialized healthcare also takes the profit motive out of medicine.  And as cited numerous times in my posts and by RR readers, this diminishes the level of care overall and devastates the advances that science and technology enterprises have brought to healthcare (compare EU and US developments and installations).  Obamacare’s new and insane excise tax on medical devices is an a fortiori example of such policies.

So on one hand the liberal wants to equate healthcare with the right of breathing air, and on the other hand thinks that taxing the bejeezus out wealth creators will provide basic medical services to even the last percent of those living within our borders (note the absence of ‘citizens’ here).

As the share of GDP of every one of their social nostrums increases, the dedicated progressive just continues to cinch tighter his blinders, and rolls out another heart rending anecdote of a family home lost to medical bills and a child gruesomely killed on a playground structure.  To their similitude of logic, that is sufficient to require more spending, litigation, and the constriction of individual liberties.  The dictum served is that wherever risk is found or contemplated, it must be stamped out, even unto its last vestige.

Mathematician, former floor trader, and economic philosopher Nicholas Nassim Taleb (also of Black Swan fame) has some explosive new thoughts on the matter – well, mostly new, but never so well argued.  In his just released Antifragile – Things That Gain from Disorder, he makes the case that successes in evolutionary development favored critters, plants, and systems in general that accepted chaos, disorder, and unpredictability, and responded by dynamically reacting and reconfiguring themselves to tolerate and thrive in such environments.

Things that are fragile or brittle call attention to themselves by breaking.  Our wrong-headed reaction to that – now institutionalized by progressives – is to launch (usually futile) attempts to remake them so that they will become robust.  Using tools from the systems sciences, Taleb points out that robustness is also a form of stasis, since robust things resist change and therefore have trouble surviving.  Time destroys the fragile and robust, and there is an unending supply of time.  The bottom line here is that evolution selected out both fragility and robustness, and continues to favor participants in the grand scheme that were and are antifragile.  I’ll have more to say about this idea in future posts.

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74 responses to “The Liberal Mind – Diminishing Diminishing Returns”

  1. MikeL Avatar
    MikeL

    Russ 2:07 AM
    The democrats taking point if the temperature drops will be the same as if the temperature goes up…that being that this is consistent with what the UN, IPCC, NASA, the insurance companies, 97% of climate scientists and polling data from Gallup says…it is glow-ball warming.
    Being an engineer with a real science ed-u-ma-cation does help me to have a proper prospective with regards to scieney stuff like climate change and ocean acidification.
    I do wounder if Doug Jesus even has a clue what PH means and why 100% percent changes in ocean PH on a daily basis will not and do not harm the critters that live there.

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  2. earlcrabb Avatar

    Come on, Greg. Be a good boy. You lost the election and now you should just be quiet and not question the will of the people. Get on the gravy train and enjoy the ride, like the middleman says.
    The new mantra is “obey.” Say it over and over…Obey Obama, Obey Obama…Obeyobamaobeyobamaobeyobama.

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  3. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    We see in the responses of Jeff Pelline why the people of America have a “used car salesman” level of support for the media. They are all like JP. They would make Goebbels proud. And these lovelies were taught in our colleges for goodness sakes. Pelline and PaulE just keep passing along the propaganda and many in the new “moron party” accept the lies as fact. Russ and Greg have debunked here on this local blog all the institutional bunk spewed on AGW yet is never accepted as true by these nuts. Then we see the reason. It has nothing to do with science, it is all political. If these AGW nuts are successful we will see a massive redistribution of American dollars to others around the planet. This will connect the circle of the liberals guilt of having been born into a “lottery” winner in America. We all know Greg and Russ make Jeff Pelline look like a third grader on these topics. Reporting on science does not make a scientist. Greg, Russ and George are actual scientists. Pelline should stick to reporting the goings on at Victorian Christmas, that would be the best use of his “skills”.

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  4. Gregory Avatar

    Earl, I’ve “lost” every election since ’80, and been happy about it. Maybe that’s what’s stuck in Porcine’s craw?
    It’s funny; over on his reblog of this topic he’s once again trying to portray my showing up for a free drink on Todd J’s tab as somehow proof I’m one of those Tea Partiers. For the record, that was the first time I met George Rebane (a nice enough fellow but we didn’t have much to say to one another), the second time I’d met Todd and the second time I’d met Ackerman, who I’d shared a bottle of homebrew with at a mutual friend’s singlewide, and was sorry to see leave our little burg. Anyone who Pelline despises that much can’t be all bad.

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  5. Paul Emery Avatar

    Gregory
    Again you missed the point in my discourse. 02 December 2012 at 07:09 PM I was not arguing pro or con on the issue of global warming , I was just noting that that the battle seems to be lost when The Salt Lake Tribune is the largest-circulated daily newspaper in the conservative city of Salt Lake City. is expressing its desire for action to mitigate global warming.

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  6. Russ Steele Avatar

    All,
    Declaring that the world is warming does not make it happening, especially when the factual measurements show a cooling trend.

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  7. Russ Steele Avatar

    Opps hit the wrong button. Should read “does not make it happen”

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  8. Russ Steele Avatar

    Paul@08:41AM
    The editors of a Salt Lake Paper are encouraging citizens to start preparing for global warming, yet there is a greater probability that we will have global cooling. I have discussed that option at the Next Grand Minimum. Preparing for the wrong climate change could be life threatening for millions. It is time to get off the political band wagaon and start using some real science in forecasting our future on a earth which is warmed by a solar orb. When the orb’s output declines the earth gets colder. That is what has happened for millions of years, and will happen again. Humans declaring it is warming will not change what the sun is going to do, and has done before. Bundle up, as it is going to get colder.

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  9. Gregory Avatar

    Paul (8:41AM), the point wasn’t missed, it was ignored as inconsequential. You are making the assumption the “journalist” who wrote the unsigned op-ed was representative of SLC before he underwent some unspecified conversion. Think of it this way: Pelline wasn’t representative of Grass Valley and Nirvana Silly when he became the (short lived) Editor of our local paper and apparently pushing the global warming angles. He was a product of UC Berkeley’s rhetoric department, a Chicago area journalism school and the Frisco Chronicle.
    The “consensus” is manufactured, and you’ve illustrated just how that’s done by the well intentioned.

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  10. George Rebane Avatar

    Can anyone tell me where JeffP’s 936pm quote is from or is all about??
    I was going to blow away all the snarky dialogue that the FUE brought over, but learning that he has again launched another diatribe against RR and its readership, I thought we’d leave his droppings here as a further confirmation of the issues I take with the Liberal Mind.

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  11. Gregory Avatar

    George, I hold you blameless in Pelline’s latest round of defamatory speech.
    The 9:36 is a quote from my LinkedIn page; Jeff apparently thinks I should be ashamed of doing what I chose to do after my wife died.
    “Gregory,
    You are a real creep. I feel sorry for you, personally attacking those whom [sic] challenge you. Do you have a priest who can help you sort out you [sic] nasty hostilities?” Pelline, 12:44AM
    I do suspect Jeff was drinking last night. Unusual errors for a Cal rhetorician, not to mention a fixation on the word “nasty”.

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  12. JeffPelline@mac.com Avatar
    JeffPelline@mac.com

    Gregory,
    Really, you need to be more careful.
    What you should be ashamed of is your inability to carry on a dialogue without resorting to nasty, personal comments, lies and innuendo. They are directed at me, Steve, Doug, “favorite” global warming scientists, and so on. It is your debate tactic.
    As for my point, an “independent software engineer at my place” is not a global warming scientist, so your views are not credible to me.

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  13. Gregory Avatar

    Since I’ve never claimed to be a “global warming scientist”, that bizarre comeback of yours seems particularly misplaced, Jeff, though the lack of glaring errors of grammar seem to indicate you are again sober and rested.
    I’ve told no “lies”, and I suspect you, Steve and Doug (including Doug’s plethora of sock puppets) just can’t stand someone who effectively fights back who doesn’t fit the “arch-conservative” pidgeonhole your rhetoric requires.
    I’ve a fresh “libel per se” and your old libel regarding the “tantrum” that you manufactured of whole cloth. You may wish to revise your remarks. Now.

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  14. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Excellent examples put forth on this thread concerning the liberals diminishing diminishing minds. Ah, never mind. Never had one, they never will.

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  15. Gregory Avatar

    I know a local chiropractor who’s quite good at moving body parts around so that they move around better, and it was his sending of my first wife to the emergency room (it was blood clots not a strained joint that caused her pain that time) that was her first cancer related emergency room visit. While he believes in Astrology, he also believes that Chiropractors who talk to the foot they’re manipulating to find out what it’s thinking are nuts. Chiropractors who reject medical science as being able to judge the results of chiropractic treatments are operating in a similar fashion to those, like you, who are now requiring anyone to be a “global warming scientist” (a non-existent branch of physics) in order to have a voice.
    The rejection of people with general physics backgrounds as not being expert in climate science is central to the manufactured consensus; the signature list on that open letter to the UN Sec’y General on his recent climate claims is heavy with physics professors for a reason: climate science is a branch of physics, and denizens of the physics community are pointing out the errors.
    This isn’t a political debate, Jeff, it’s science. And you are losing the debate where it counts. I realize you’ll keep it up as long as you think it’s politically viable, but the scientific basis is being undermined. The lack of a warming signal for a year longer than IPCC senior scientists once wrote of as indicative of a failure of their models is but one part of the impending doom of the climate change meme. It’s time to head for the exits, Jeff. You don’t want to be the last one there.
    I’m not asking for status as a “global warming scientist”. For now, I’m asking people to read and understand the open letter to the Sec’y-General and the statements within, including “There is no sound reason for the costly, restrictive public policy decisions proposed at the U.N. climate conference in Qatar. Rigorous analysis of unbiased observational data does not support the projections of future global warming predicted by computer models now proven to exaggerate warming and its effects.”
    http://opinion.financialpost.com/2012/11/29/open-climate-letter-to-un-secretary-general-current-scientific-knowledge-does-not-substantiate-ban-ki-moon-assertions-on-weather-and-climate-say-125-scientists/

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  16. Paul Emery Avatar

    RE: Todd Juvinall |Fiscal Cliff Fairness (updated) 26 November 2012 at 07:15 AM Also Todd Juvinall Fiscal Cliff Fairness (updated)| 01 December 2012 at 09:00
    I think woman should be aware that private conversations while on a date or in discourse with Todd Juvinall are subject to publication on this or his own blog.

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  17. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    PaulE, I like women, I am not interested in you. LOL!

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  18. Paul Emery Avatar

    Perhaps you should try a Conservative dating service, you might have better luck.

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  19. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Luck? Sorry to tell you PaulE that I have no problem getting dates. Perhaps you are concerned for yourself?

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  20. Paul Emery Avatar

    Todd
    Thanks for your concern Todd. Actually I have several Libertarianism women friends whose company I enjoy.
    At least I have enough class not to post details about private dinner conversations on this venue.

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  21. Paul Emery Avatar

    that’s Libertarian

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  22. JesusBetterman Avatar

    “I do wounder if Doug Jesus even has a clue what PH {sic} means and why 100% percent changes in ocean PH on a daily basis will not and do not harm the critters that live there.”
    Love to know what you mean by a 100% change in pH on a daily basis? How are you calculating that? The pH scale is logarithmic and therefore pH is a dimensionless quantity.

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  23. JesusBetterman Avatar

    I thought Todd was a happily married man? What went wrong, or is going wrong?

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  24. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    PaulE, so you know the person eh? I used no names so the person is anonymous. You crack me up.

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