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George Rebane

In general, liberals are not stupid; many of them just have bad luck when they think.  This cannot be said of California liberals.

Recently I have encountered a literal flood of observations and events that provide more insight into the workings of the now-dominant national liberal mind.  This small compilation is by no means comprehensive.



Regarding the Fiscal Cliff, President Obama assures his innumerate supporters that in “raising revenues” through closing “loopholes” (aka, the other guy’s legal deductions) will not be sufficient to bring in the mysteriously needed $800B added taxes during the next decade.  Raising tax rates on the “rich” is required, otherwise “the math just does not add up.”

Meanwhile, the non-partisan Tax Policy Institute advises us that the Republican plan to cap deductions at $50K would raise $750B over the same interval, and decreasing the cap to $25K would raise $1.4T – all without raising tax rates.  It is clear that the President needs to remediate some of the arithmetic he was supposed to have learned in grade school.

But as any mildly interested American knows, the objective here is visible class punishment, no matter how many businesses it hurts and jobs that get cut and/or are not created.  You see, it’s a liberal thing.

In the meantime, the striking workers’ union at Hostess are holding fast to their demands for increased compensation that is now causing the company to file for Chapter 7 bankruptcy – i.e. shut down.  This will remove 18,000 plus workers from the nation’s payrolls.  (I’m told that somewhere there is an old law that says if a union job action causes a company to go out of business, then the newly unemployed union members do not qualify for government unemployment benefits.  But that’s another matter.)

The butt stupid union leadership – liberals all – don’t understand the difference between striking a government supported oligopolist, and striking a business operating in a competitive free market.  For the latter there is no slack from the dollars and cents that define the real world.  But again, habitually shooting yourself in the foot, and then wondering where the shot came from is a liberal thing.

SecState Hillary, that hard-traveling statesman and diplomat, is again on the road and not available for congressional testimony on Benghazi.  (One of these days we’ll do a summary of her architecture of global foreign policy failures, but not now.  For an early snootful, read here.)

Apropos to that, recently unemployed CIA chief Petraeus has apparently given another version of events transpiring after 11 September 2012.  It turns out that he knew from the gitgo that it was an Al Qaeda terrorist attack, and claims to have said so at the time.  Moreover, it turns out that then everyone at State, FBI, White House, and maybe even MSNBC knew that the video had nothing to do with the murder of four Americans that night.

And here’s the kicker, UN Ambassador Susan Rice’s now notorious and shameful Sunday performances on national TV are excused by liberal members of Congress because the globally known attack was still being considered as “classified” information on 16 September by the WH, whose occupant today invites the media to give him their best shot, since it was he who told Rice to say what she compliantly said.  No one seems to be picking up that, if the ‘still classified’ BS was in effect, then Rice could have simply demurred on that ground, and not launched a blatant fabrication to make the electorate believe the President’s lies that he had vanquished Al Qaeda.

And even more mysterious is why legislators having attended both Petraeus’ testimonies must rely on their “recollection” of the first testimony to contend that Petraeus has changed his story in the interval.  Didn’t someone, like Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein, have a goddam recorder going during these critically important closed door hearings?  We’re now relying on fond memories of month-old conversations about what Petraeus said?!!  Must again be a liberal thing.

Finally, a true insight into liberal thinking, that re-surfaces as regularly as the sunrise, is the gross misunderstanding of how individual liberty and social equality are strongly linked.  Astute political philosophers have pointed out for more than two centuries that those two notions, or attributes of governance, are inversely related – you cannot increase both concurrently, raising one inevitably lowers the other.

Yet this almost tautological truth is not accessible to a mind embarked on the now much-traveled liberal road.  In order to sell the unread on the benefits of collectivism, the liberal must constantly dredge up and re-decorate his rhetoric with the great propagandist bamboozle of the French revolution – ‘Liberté, égalité, fraternité!’ – that formed the foundation of the modern miscreation called socialism.  To demonstrate the strength and spread of this myopism, I was recently saddened to see an otherwise rational RR reader succumb to this most liberal of tenets.

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86 responses to “The Liberal Mind – A Recent Potpourri of Revelations”

  1. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Tea Party Repub Allen West has conceded his re-election fight after two weeks of rants, court appearances and two partial recounts.
    Murphy vs. West will go down as one of the most expensive in congressional history. Murphy won though he was out fundraised more than four-to-one by West and his PAC supporters. All that money flushed down the rat hole. Talk about a bad investment by the hard right.
    West was a Tea Party favorite among the most conservative reaches of the Republican Party. He made a string of headline grabbing statements calling a majority of congressional Democrats communists and saying President Obama, Rep. Nancy Pelosi and others should “get the hell out of the United States.” Well the voters spoke and over the massive amount of money spent by West the voters told him to… “get the hell out” of elected office.
    This is yet another Tea Party ranter that was shown the door by the voters in this election. Read the Tea leaves as the “Tea Party 40 year plan” will not make it past the 2014 elections.

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  2. MikeyMcD Avatar

    Which of the core values do progressives have a beef with when hating on the Tea Party?
    Fiscal Responsibility? Limited Government? Free Markets?
    Do they promote fiscal irresponsibility? Are they pro-tyranny? Do they believe in a state ordained/designed/planned/elitist ‘economy’?
    Lastly, where does their faith (in the deity sense) in government come from?

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  3. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Christian Right is a threat to what exactly? Work? Paying taxes? Living quiet lives? So-called family values? Charity?
    The left hates the Christian Right because the thumpers do not support nor approve of abortion or alternative life styles. Thus, the “Progressives” paint them as guys wearing wife beater tee shirts, keeping enslaved wives barefoot and pregnant and existing only to serve the husband. Bunch of ignorant hillbillies clinging to the guns and Bibles. The progressives usually exclude mention of Black Churches who hold the same values.
    The Christian Right even has the gall to say “I will tolerate your behavior, but do not ask me to condone it. That is asking too much and against my core beliefs.”
    I am not a church going man and not even a gun owner for reasons I wish not disclose here. I could legally have a gun anytime I choose, fyi. With that said, I do have an old Bible laying around here somewhere. Will have to look for it. I seem to recall that Jesus gave his followers one guarantee. The guarantee went something like this: “They will hate you because they hated me first.” True words. But topics of religion are not fit for polite company in certain circles. Like fingernails on the chalkboard. The Progressives certainly are a gloom lot. Very hateful. Happy Thanksgiving y’all. We have much to be thankful for this year.

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  4. Russ Steele Avatar

    Steve Enos@09:20AM
    We cannot win them all, but here are some of the successes that your can chew on:
    20 Things That Went Right on Election Day  by Michelle Maulkin
      
      1.  Republicans retained control of the U.S. House of Representatives.
      
      2.  Voters in Alabama, Montana and Wyoming all passed measures limiting Obamacare.
     
      3. Tea Party candidate Ted Cruze, one of the conservative movement’s brightest rising
          stars, overcame establishment GOP opposition to clinch a U.S. Senate victory in 
          Texas.
     
      4. Corruptocrat Beltway barnacle, Representative Pete Stark was finally kicked out of
          office in California. 
     
      5.  Despite entrenched teachers’ union opposition, a charter school initiative in
           Washington State triumphed.
     
      6.  Despite entrenched Big labor support, a radical collective bargaining power grab in
           Michigan failed.
     
      7.  Oklahoma voters said “no” to government race-based preferences in college
           admissions, public contracting and government hiring.
     
      8.  Montana voters said “no” to boundless benefits for illegal aliens. 
     
      9.  Wahsington state approved taxpayer-empowering limitations on its state legislature’s
           ability to raise taxes.
     
    10. For the first time since Reconstruction, the GOP won control of the arkansas state
          house.
     
    11. Voters rejected tax hike ballot measures in Arizona, South Dakota and MIssouri.
     
    12. Louisiana voted to protect gun rights.
     
    13. Kentucky voted to protect hunting and fishing rights.
     
    14.  Parental notification for minors’ abortion prevailed in Montana.
     
    15. North Carolina Republicans claimed the governor’s office, congressional gains and
          control of the state’s general assembly.
     
    16. Paul Ryan will return to Congress after winning re-election and continue to carry the
          tourch for entitlement reform and budget discipline.
     
    17. Conservatives won big victories in the Kansas state legislature.
     
    18. Republicans won historic supermajorities in Tennessee.
     
    19. Across the country, Republicans reached a post-2000 record number of gubernatorial
          victories.
     
    20.  Wisconsin GOP wins back control of the state government.
     

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  5. George Rebane Avatar

    MikeyMcD’s and BillT’s last comments echo the questions that have been asked here for years, and the response has always been been supplied by crickets (see also my 440pm above).
    The only exception to the crickets have been the denigrations of strawman tenets not uttered or backed by the attacked organizations.

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  6. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Mr. Steele, you omitted to mention that a Democrat Presidential Candidate failed to carry one single county in West Virginnie for the first time since…well, for the first time ever.
    Just 4 years ago I heard the same song and dance that the Republicans are toast. Dust in the wind. Kaput. Nada, zilch, out of here, long time no come see. Then there was 2010, just 2 years ago.
    Let Stevie “Isn’t It Any Wonder” E dance in the streets. They won, we lost. We are relegated to the dust bin of history. Behind the times, dinosaurs. Let them think that. “Pride cometh before a fall” my Mother always said.

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  7. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    So Russ, is the Tea Party taking “credit” for your above list? These were Tea Party efforts, these were Tea Party “victories”?
    13. Kentucky voted to protect hunting and fishing rights. This was a Tea Party effort? What a hoot!
    Across the U.S. Tea Party folks were shown the door, the hard right was shown the door and now the R’s are in full melt down, circular firing squad mode.
    Just watch FOX to see the blood letting that is now starting to take place after the re-election of President Obama and all the defeats of the hard right.
    Between now and 2014 the R’s will move farther away from the hard right and the Tea Party. The R’s will move back towards the middle and it will make the Tea Party and hard right crazy as they are marginalized and left on the side of the road.
    Demographics and social issues will bury the Tea Party and their “40 year plan” and the R Party will be the ones holding the shovel.

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  8. Paul Emery Avatar

    Bill T
    I was reflecting my view that the Thumpers are an appendage of the Republican party that keeps them from winning Presidential or even Senatorial elections. The “life begins at conception” platform combined with repeal of Rove V Wade means that if they had their way abortion would be illegal and criminalized. This is a different issue from whether it should be a funded part of national health care. As long as that is the Republican platform they will never have my support. BArry Goldwater supported a womans right to choose. Not this crew of self appointed moral guardians.
    If they had their way it would be back to clothes hangers in cheap motels for millions of women. Also, marriage definition is not a function of government.
    Mikey
    I agree with so much of what you say. I believe that Libertarian values will have their day. There are rough edges that we part ways on but we’re on the same path for sure.

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  9. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 154pm – good clarification. Yes, criminalizing abortion, and paying for legalized abortion are separate issues. My personally difficult stand has been that 1) withstanding the usual exceptions, abortion is legal in the first trimester, and 2) the feds don’t get involved abortion payments. I stand to be dissuaded.

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  10. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    That’s a point of view that I can respect though not necessarily embrace when it comes to woman’s health issues.
    My flirtation with Libertarian values struggles with health care which I believe is an essential human need such as clean air and water, national defense, contract law police and judicial that falls under the legitimate role of government responsibility.
    My mantra of being a Green Libertarian still serves me well and is entirely plausible and defensible.

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  11. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 344pm – You have mentioned your ‘Green Libertarian’ leanings before, but I’m not sure that you’ve ever put meat on those bones. Is there any conflict in the ‘green’ component with that of ‘individual liberties’ so highly touted by libertarians – in short, where does your ‘green’ allow you and others to tell me what I can/not do?
    And while you’re at it, if we must share the cost of providing “essential human needs”, where does it stop? Does it stop with daily bread, sufficient education, shelter from the elements, raiment to present oneself in a dignified manner, facile communications (cell phones), diversions from the daily grind (entertainment), …? all human needs the absence of any of these will leave a sad mark on us either in our quality of life, or simply killing us. Are then all of these “the legitimate role of government responsibility”?

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  12. Paul Emery Avatar

    You start with the basic responsibilities of being a responsible citizen of this planet. Let’s start with this
    A bear does not shit in his own backyard. Why should we? If we do what is the remedy?
    Big topics I will gladly engage in. How do we insure quality of life for future generations and not depend on a monster government. There are no easy answers and lots of questions.

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  13. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    PaulE, the Christians keep R’s from winning the Presidency? Let me see. Reagan 8 years, GHW Bush 4 years, GW Bush 8 years. And you libs claim Nixon has some “southern strategy: which contained Christians. I think you have stretched your credibility to the breaking point.

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  14. Paul Emery Avatar

    Todd
    That was then, this is now. The election was there for the taking. If Romney would have declared a woman has the right to choose despite his personal opinion and offered a reasonable immigration program he would have won. Done deal. Instead he caved to the thumpers on woman’s issues (amplified by senate and house candidates as we know) and offered his ridiculous voluntary deportation idea the combination of which cost him the election. There are few observers that would disagree with me.

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  15. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    George you asked… “where does your ‘green’ allow you and others to tell me what I can/not do?”.
    How about reviewing the Dust Bowl, what caused it and the damage, cost and deaths that resulted… no points for just saying drought as drought was not the primary cause.
    Ken Burns’ well done “Dust Bowl” documentary has been playing on PBS the last couple of days. Folks can watch this for the main answer of what caused the Dust Bowl and what “green” regulations were put in place after the fact to help insure it would not be repeated.
    Then review Love Canal and how that happened as a second example of the ‘green’ need to tell others what to do or not due for the sake of all.

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  16. Paul Emery Avatar

    Yes Steve
    The dust bowl is a great example of what happens when ignorance about the consequences of human behavior manifests itself in disaster. It was indeed the combination of depleted soil due to grazing and agriculture and severe drought which was historically routine. The depleted native grasses which held the soil in place and helped retain moisture, even during dry periods were no longer a buffer against severe climate routines. I lived in Oklahoma in the mid 50’s and in a casual ride in the country you’d see the devastation and abandoned farms and homes.

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  17. James Clawson Avatar
    James Clawson

    Your dust bowl narrative = propaganda.

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  18. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Paul Emery and Steve Enos,
    I’d like to perhaps stretch a metaphor here. I’d like to suggest that just as those folks who were unwilling to accept that their farming practices in the Dustbowl counties had to change (become more sustainable), so are some Republicans unwilling to accept that some of their practices are also no longer sustainable.
    Public Enemy #1 in this regard is no other than Grover Norquist. His time has certainly come and gone. How can we tackle tax reform in a bipartisan fashion w/o some taxes going up? As Ronald Reagan would say, “answer me that, Batman!” Sure, go after loopholes. But you are also going to lower taxes on some people and raise taxes on some other people. This is the definition of reform.
    Grover Norquist is a stick-in-the-mud old poopy bottom, and the American body politic need never hear from him again. Good riddance, just like the Plains idiots who continued to shallow-plow in straight lines during the Great Depression.
    No-Tax Pledges are yesterday’s discarded Depends. New baby Norquist, meet today’s bathwater.
    Michael A.

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  19. Paul Emery Avatar

    Mr James
    Can you provide me with some narrative on the dust bowl other than your one liner to help enlighten me on the topic?
    Michael A
    Yes, Grover is fading and will soon join Bush and the Mittster for a permanent time out. He’s had quite a run though but every puppy has his day. Here’s a start of what will come.
    “Even more striking, an increasing number of prominent Republicans are dismissing Norquist as a pest. House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) has referred to him as “some random person.” Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) says Norquist’s power has been “broken.” And in the unkindest cut for any Washington idea-monger, Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) dismissed Norquist as inconsequential. “It doesn’t matter what he says,” Coburn told MSNBC in July.”
    Even our gracious host GR believes that’s it’s not appropriate for elected officials to make such pledges.
    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-mcmanus-column-norquist-20121121,0,2290363.column

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  20. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    PaulE, you crack me up. A defeat does not make a trend. GW Bush beat your boys in 2000 and 2004 so I guess that was a trend? You need better talking points.

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  21. Paul Emery Avatar

    Todd
    The juicy corn dog that you owe me should be a evidence enough of our comparative political observations.
    “Romney by 6-8 ” Sure Todd
    Actually if you pay attention to what I say you would see that there is potential light in the tunnel for the Pubsters. They just have to change their game plan. Based on the success of my predictions you should thank me me for my good advice. Would you hire you to be a political adviser?

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  22. Russ Steele Avatar

    Steven you wrote:
    How about reviewing the Dust Bowl, what caused it and the damage, cost and deaths that resulted… no points for just saying drought as drought was not the primary cause.

    Here are some facts from NASA:
    NASA Explains ‘Dust Bowl’ Drought (NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center (2004, March 19).) [http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/03/040319072053.htm%5D: “cooler than normal tropical Pacific Ocean temperatures and warmer than normal tropical Atlantic Ocean temperatures contributed to a weakened low-level jet stream and changed its course. The jet stream, a ribbon of fast moving air near the Earth’s surface, normally flows westward over the Gulf of Mexico and then turns northward pulling up moisture and dumping rain onto the Great Plains. As the low level jet stream weakened, it traveled farther south than normal. The Great Plains dried up and dust storms formed. Analysis of other major U.S. droughts of the 1900s suggests a cool tropical Pacific was a common factor.”
    Normally, the state of Nebraska averages around 20 inches of rainfall a year.
    In 1930, Nebraska got 22 inches of rain, and the state’s corn crop averaged 25 bushels per acre.
    In 1934, Nebraska saw the driest year on record with only 14.5 inches of rainfall. The state’s corn crop dropped even more to only 6.2 bushels per acre.
    In other words, between 1930 and 1934 rainfall dropped 27.5 percent, and as a result corn crop yields dropped over 75 percent.
    The rain fall dropped because of the PDO. Not because of any action by humans. I like Burn’s work, but in this case he is hewing to the liberal line on climate change. As a result I have no desire to watch his propaganda.

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  23. George Rebane Avatar

    SteveE 557pm – Yes, I saw the PBS ‘Dust Bowl’, but your citing it misses the point of my 356pm question (and confirms the academic research on liberal thinking by Prof Beverly Gage cited here). More here –
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2012/08/the-liberals-intellectually-baseless-ideology.html
    What you’ve brought up is an example of ‘issue activism’ that does not address the intended topic of discussion. And as Burns again makes clear, the man-contributed cause of the Dust Bowl was NOT due to individual farmers going against best practices. The farmers did what was best at the time, and when an obviously better method (e.g. contour plowing) was discovered along with the return of rain, they all switched to that for obvious reasons.
    That example is worthless for addressing the bigger questions that I posed about collective limits on freedom and collective funding of human needs. Am not sure whether you follow any of this. What are the principles that would be used to evaluate practices such as the now state forced cap and trade auctions conducted by CARB? Clearly they are not the same ones that were introduced to help alleviate the Dust Bowl.

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  24. Paul Emery Avatar

    Russ
    You are way off track on this one. Are are saying that the destruction of the native grasses that had held the soil firm in the past when there were similar droughts had no effect on the conditions that led to the dust bowl? Yes or no.
    This makes me doubt your observations on global warming which I was finding at least intriguing and informative.

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  25. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Thanks Paul (and GR), that pretty much cements it. Nasty Norquist baby and bathwater–out the window in one fell divestment. Opprobrium and rebuke: Bye Grover!
    http://www.change.org/petitions/grover-norquist-vote-out-all-signers-of-the-norquist-pledge
    And George, I know that you find Brooks to be way too pablum, but take a look at his recent column–I think there might be some things in here you actually like: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/20/opinion/brooks-the-conservative-future.html?hp
    In particular, his review of Yuval Levin’s writings on entitlement and health care reform are worth noting. They resonate for me, anyway.
    M.

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  26. Russ Steele Avatar

    Paul@09:35PM
    Here are some more facts. The mid-west droughts are cyclical, they have noting to do with human activity. Yes, farming practices contributed to the dust, but not to the drought, that was Mother Natures doing. She has cycles just like human women do.
    The droughts in North America that took place between 1130 and 1180 CE and between 1276 to 1299 CE took place before the Industrial Revolution and when North America had a sparse human population. Evidentially, droughts in North America can occur without mankind causing them. The drought that preceded the Dust Bowl took place during a time of increasing industrial activity, but according to a report published by Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University, that particular drought was not as bad as those that took place during the 1800s. That report states the following:
    The Dust Bowl drought of the 1930s was one of the worst environmental disasters of the Twentieth Century anywhere in the world. Three million people left their farms on the Great Plains during the drought and half a million migrated to other states, almost all to the West. But the Dust Bowl drought was not meteorologically extreme by the standards of the Nineteenth and Twentieth Centuries. Indeed the 1856-65 drought may have involved a more severe drop in precipitation.
    Knowing that climates in North America have not remained steady, and knowing that severe droughts have struck North America periodically, would it not make sense to anticipate climate change even if mankind is not the cause of it?

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  27. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    This seems a bit odd:
    “…that was Mother Natures doing..[s]he has cycles just like human women do…”
    Umm, really? Have you gone pagen? This sounds like pure Lovelock in his early days, before he started projecting aerosols. Plus Wicker Man. Cycles, heh.
    Russ, no truer words were spoken:
    “…would it not make sense to anticipate climate change even if mankind is not the cause of it?”
    Umm, yeah. For sure. Let the planning begin.

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  28. Paul Emery Avatar

    Thanks Russ
    That’s pretty much my conclusion. I never claimed the drought was the result of climate change but the dust bowl that followed was largely the result of farming practices and the destruction of natures defenses which were man made. Can we agree on that?

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  29. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    I saw the Dust Bowl. Good informative show. My, what hardy stock and hard times those people endured. Made me think of the role of the federal gov’t when disasters or mayhem strikes which is too big/regional for one state or even the hardiest of us can handle.
    Ever tromp around the area north of Flagstaff and the San Francisco Peaks? North is all desert all the way to Vegas. Barren land. Used to be all grassland, full of Native Americans weaving baskets and playing in the little Colorado river basin. Probably changed 900-1,500 years ago. Before the Navajo. What caused that?
    Concerning being a good citizen of the planet, its an agreement. In fact, the Christian Right and the greenies are in full agreement. The Greenies say “citizen”, the Christian Right says “steward”. The Christian Right believes that it is their responsibility to be a good steward of the planet, the gardener assigned to caretake it if you will. An early and stubborn people were given laws and regulation concerning treatment of animals, especially beasts of burden. Most of the Ten Commandments deal with respect of others and property/possession rights. Other regulations deal with restitution of injury or harm done to others. But I digress. Without farming none of us would be here. We can argue about grazing rights and use of open land and pasture land and clearing all day long. We know it is from the Earth that we receive our substance, our nourishment.
    Ducks Unlimited is a duck hunting organization that is absolutely convinced that ducks/fowl have to have a good environment, habitat, sensible practices by hunters to insure there will be enough ducks for the future. Same with the fishing industry, and farmers letting ground rest up (fallow) and rotating crops. We have learned alot. Cities are a different ball of wax. How many redwoods are in Redwood City?
    Where they greenies and the Christian Right differ is most basic. The greenies (some of them) worship the creation, while the Christian Right worships the Creator and appreciates the handiwork of the Divine as expressed through the creation.

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  30. Paul Emery Avatar

    Well spoken Bill
    That’s all for me tonight. To all of you I appreciate the thoughtful conversation. Let’s continue in this manner.
    Tomorrow is my birthday then Turkey day. Everyone have a good holiday.

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  31. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Paul, BTW thanks for the LA Times article, that was really good. I just finished reading it.
    It made me think of this: http://belindabentley.com/Public/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/BurningPictureMan.jpg
    Sorry in advance for the large bytes…

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  32. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Bill, your invocation of Green and Christian alignment is spot on. I know of many of these alliances both locally and regionally.
    The bigger question is whether the two party system will hold; so many of these alliances are tortured by artificial differences created by these two untrustworthy parties.
    I agree with Paul, George’s RR is a good venue to further these discussions…and Happy Birthday Paul, BTW.
    …and Happy Thanksgiving to all. We have a lot to be thankful for.
    Michael A.

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  33. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    So PaulE, how is it too turn 75? Happy 75!
    BillyT, I like your analysis. There are not many Christians I know who crap in their kitchens. The difference is the Greenies do.

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  34. George Rebane Avatar

    MichaelA 942pm – Good survey by Brooks that still begs the question I raised (and you ignored?) in my ‘Does Multikulti require Multi-party?’ The advice given by Brooks’ referents is all over the map; can/should these be fit under one party umbrella?
    BillT 1034pm – Excellent essay.
    PaulE 1053pm – A very happy birthday to today Paul (I’ll see you in a bit).
    And echoing MichaelA, we do have a lot to be thankful for, Happy Thanksgiving to all.

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  35. L Avatar
    L

    Paul E @ 4:10p 20 Nov.
    If a bear don’t do de doo doo in his own backyard, where do he do de doo doo?
    On a related copy, untill Hansen, Mann and the rest of the AGW zealots began adjusting things, 1934 was also the hottest year on record in the USA. And it sure as hell wasn’t caused by CO2. L

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  36. Paul Emery Avatar

    L
    The question of the Dust Bowl never implied global warming so why are you going there? It had to do with the destruction of grasslands that provided a defense against drought caused erosion-the dust bowl

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