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George Rebane

[This is the submitted form of my November column published in the 10nov12 print and (pay-walled) online editions of The Union.]

Last year Germany’s Angela Merkel made an audacious pronouncement – she said that ‘multikulti’ or multi-culturalism was not working to keep her country a cohesive nation-state with shared values that support needed public policies.  Other EU countries like Britain and France hold the same views but were then too timid to give them voice.

Here in America the election and then re-election of President Obama has highlighted our prominent cultural divides.  Many people diagnosed Mitt Romney’s problem as not being able to attract the black and Hispanic votes.  And as we saw last Tuesday, Americans voted strongly along ethnic and racial lines.

In this election, as in no other in our history, Americans were offered a robust choice of diametrically opposing directions society should take to organize and govern itself.  And splitting down the middle, we attempted to take Yogi Berra’s fork-in-the-road advice.  Instead, what we got was four more years of a forced march toward a kind of trans-European socialism.

Today we are way past the tipping point of being able to recover our Republic as inherited from our Founders, or even as modified by Presidents Lincoln, Roosevelt, and Johnson.  We now have huge schisms that divide us on national sovereignty, wealth distribution, and the scope of government in our lives.  The only cultural aspect that we all seem to agree on is the broad-based promotion of an ignorance that fosters compliance.  Our public schools have institutionalized this as can be demonstrated on any street corner in the land.


Demographically it is clear that our ability to remain economically viable will require the arrival of a steady stream of industrious immigrants.  The alternative is to suffer the slow demographic demise that is happening now in the EU, Russia, and Japan.  But our immigration policy is on the rocks, and all repairs to it involve solutions that share an open border with a dysfunctional country.  A significant fraction of Americans see no threat in that to our remaining a sovereign nation-state.

Another large tranche of us don’t have a clue on how an economy works, and are convinced that all shortfalls in government revenues and their own personal pocketbooks can be remedied by taking more from the currently defined ‘rich’.   These Americans experience no cognitive dissonance when told that all social problems will yield to ever more government spending.

And proceeding on that line of argument, it is a short distance to the conclusion that there is and should be no limits on the government’s share of the national fisc.  In the last four years our historic rate of government involvement has surged from 18% to 24% of GDP.  Under the practised ideology of the ongoing administration, that percentage is going to increase further and without any known bound.  And a large fraction, of those few who even know what GDP is, see no problem with such an increase – their education draws another blank as to the historical experience with such forms of governance.

We could go on to illustrate the divisions about impacts of public debt and deficits, and decay of property rights and individual liberties that continue to assault the nation.  But I think you understand the landscape, and the conclusion about the tipping point receding in the rear view mirror.

Knowing this, we must also accept that there is no turning back.  In order to keep the peace, what we must instead seek is a new political structure that can serve these multiple cultures, ethnicities, along with their social goals and levels of understanding.  Attempting to jam such strongly nuanced belief systems into only two political buckets satisfies fewer constituencies with every passing year.
 
As an alternative way forward, it looks like what America now needs is a new model, one with four on the floor – on the floor of the House and the Senate, that is.  On the Right the Republicans can divide into a so-called moderate center-right party, and a more strongly constitutionalist conservative party.  The Democrats on the Left would form a center-left party offering a tempered form of progressivism, and then form a more strongly collectivist left wing that would, say, openly promote globalist policies such as the UN’s Agenda 21.

Voters could then be attracted to more focused and understandable social objectives.  To govern in Congress, the parties would have to form coalitions negotiated by elected representatives who have more expertise in the nation’s issues.  Our alternative today is a metastasizing wholesale democracy that promises to consume what is left of our Republic.

George Rebane is an entrepreneur and a retired systems scientist in Nevada County who regularly expands these and other themes on KVMR and Rebane’s Ruminations (www.georgerebane.com).

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120 responses to “Does Multikulti require Multiparty?”

  1. Billy T Avatar
    Billy T

    Ms. Nutzo Fast. Ok, lets negotiate. We will take Michigan since it has 1/3 of all the registered NRA members in America. Opps, strike that. You can have Detroit, since the Blues are already own it. Lets see. You have the inner city ghettos of DC, NYC, LA, Miami, Baltimore, Cleveland, Akron, and Cincinnati. Ohio is all yours, except the Governor. You already have the Twin Cities and most of America’s barrios. The Blues also claim Occupy Oakland. Fair enough. Ok, lets renegotiate. You can claim Chicago until the cows come home and we ask nothing except…please, please, please take Gary, Indiana off our hands. Come on, have a heart and take Gary. Please.

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  2. Paul Emery Avatar

    So George. Russ Iran Contra legal, Benghazi illegal?

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  3. Paul Emery Avatar

    This came to me.
    Dear Red States:
    We’re ticked off at your Neanderthal attitudes and politics and we’ve decided we’re leaving.
    We in New York intend to form our own country and we’re taking the other Blue States with us.
    In case you aren’t aware that includes California, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and the rest of the Northeast.
    We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation and especially to the people of the new country of The Enlightened States of America (E.S.A).
    To sum up briefly:
    You get Texas , Oklahoma and all the slave states.
    We get stem cell research and the best beaches.
    We get Andrew Cuomo and Elizabeth Warren. You get Bobby Jindal and Todd Akin.
    We get the Statue of Liberty. You get OpryLand.
    We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom.
    We get Harvard. You get Ole’ Miss.
    We get 85 percent of America ‘s venture capital and entrepreneurs.
    You get Alabama .
    We get two-thirds of the tax revenue. You get to make the red states pay their fair share.
    Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition’s, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single moms.
    With the Blue States in hand we will have firm control of 80% of the country’s fresh water, more than 90% of the pineapple and lettuce, 92% of the nation’s fresh fruit, 95% of America’s quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90% of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the US low sulphur coal, all living
    redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford , Cal Tech and MIT.
    With the Red States you will have to cope with 88% of all obese Americans and their projected health care costs, 92% of all US mosquitoes, nearly 100% of the tornadoes, 90% of the hurricanes, 99% of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100% of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.
    We get Hollywood and Yosemite , thank you.
    38% of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62% believe life is sacred unless we’re discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44% say that evolution is only a theory, 53% that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61% of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties.
    We’re taking the good weed too. You can have that crap they grow in Mexico .
    Sincerely,
    Citizen of the Enlightened States of America

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  4. Jesus Betterman Avatar

    Nutzo saved me from having to post it, so “I’ll take the credit, signed, Douglas Keachie by whatever sock this particular computer is using.

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  5. Billy T Avatar
    Billy T

    Mr. Betterman. Yes, you sweet endearing fellows have captured and overtaken California. So, you get 1/3 of the entire (former) nation’s welfare recipients and get the bottom of the heap in SAT scores in Math and simple Reading, not to mention a simple thing like comprehension. California and New York are your crowning achievements. Birds of a feather. Wonder if New York will keep its motto The Empire State. Bet it does.
    The Enlightened States can have all of the murder capitals of the former USA along with all the top car theft areas. Kudos. You can devote all your attention to important matters such as a ban on sodas, male circumcision, shark fin soup, baby formula, Styrofoam, and still have the highest tax rates. Would not want to take that from you as all join hands to vote to make taxes even higher. This land is my land, my land, my land. Opps, record always skips on that part.
    I am pleased you will be sparing the former USA from Lizzy Warren. While you are at it, please provide a voice for Nancy, Maxine, Mr. Wiener, and even Karen Bass. Joe Biden can be your Minister of Information and perhaps Bill Clinton can lecture y’all on the utmost importance of politicians telling you the truth. Perhaps Al Gore can continue flying around in private jets and over sized SUV’s while being your Minister of Transportation. Henry Waxman will keep your skies clear of black helicopters and you can purchase all the needed tin foil hats from the enemy; aka, the Red States.
    Don’t know what you will call Air Force One, but I sure hope it will fly Rock Stars and aging Hollywood Actresses safely on algae fuel. Don’t know if the ESA can provide enough cedar for the closets on your yachts or enough redwood for your decks and hot tubs where you host Sierra Clubber parties and fund raisers. It does not matter in the long run. Most be will one toke over the line, sweet Jesus. And all the straw men will be in the mirror.

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  6. Russ Steele Avatar

    Paul@11:45AM
    In which Court? The Court of Public Opinion or some other legal body. It was a Democratic Congress that was supporting the Communist in Nicaragua with congressional action.
    Assisting involved supplying financial support, a difficult task politically after the Democratic sweep of congressional elections in November 1982. First Democrats passed the Boland Amendment, which restricted CIA and Department of Defense operations in Nicaragua specifically; in 1984, a strengthened Boland Amendment made support almost impossible.
    But, Reagan was not going to let that stop him from eradicating Communism in the Southern Hemisphere. When the crap hit the fan the Democratic Congress called Oliver North up to testify and he took them the woodshed in the Court of Public Opinion.
    I never said that Benghazi was legal or illegal? It was just a botched job and the President of the United refused to support his people because he was afraid of another Black Down just before the election. He thought of himself before thinking about the lives of his troop. That is not leadership, that is criminal in the court of public opinion.

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  7. George Rebane Avatar

    Well, well now, it appears that we may be starting to make some progress on the Great Divide (q.v.). Both sides here seem to see a positive aspect to an issue that is not new since Obama first took office.
    Let me suggest that we start by agreeing that it’s foolish to assess the country’s sentiments by the dividing territory up by the electoral ‘red’ and ‘blue’ states. The blue folks concentrate themselves into dense urban areas and don’t much know what to do with land, other than to deny people’s access to it.
    A most fair way to do a split would be to adopt a method that minimizes the resulting migration of people. That would keep almost all the 51% who voted (or would have voted) for Obama in place. And it would also keep the remaining 49% in place, requiring minor migrations of people who are bent on living in a more cohesive ideological environment. We could even straighten out some boundaries if necessary.
    And the whole affair need not end the US of A, but merely divide it into a confederacy of two major regions that could still join at the federal level. The federal level would, of course, implement the minimal number of functions having mostly to do with security and foreign policy.
    Bottom line is, we would be deliriously happy to have all of those 61,944,375 people go off to generate their own wealth and govern themselves. Hallelujah!

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  8. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Anyone have the red blue breakout of the Presidential vote by Congressional District?

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  9. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1145am – You have a great ability for off-point summarization. The legality of Iran-Contra is still debated – trading arms for hostages was against US policy, not law. And such policy is made by the Executive Branch. But let’s posit that it was illegal in the complex aspects covered by the indictments.
    However, the ‘legality of Benghazi’ cannot yet be determined. Even if it involved a surreptitious sale/transfer of weapons to Syrian rebels, that would not be illegal per se; Presidents Obama and Reagan should have equal ability to do such things if they thought it in the best interests of America. Bringing in some congressional leadership in both cases would have been more prudent.
    But to me the Benghazi Bamboozle is what Obama did in response to and in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks there on 11 September last. His response to requests for security, response to requests for aid during the attack, his organization of a conspiracy to lie to Congress and the American people, it is these instances that, in my opinion, constitute impeachable offenses. And if it turns out that the ‘October Surprise’ was supposed to have included the resolution of a contrived kidnapping of our ambassador or other Americans, then that was definitely illegal.
    We should now see how all this plays out, especially with the ‘interesting’ timing and revelations connected with the Petraeus resignation. Thoughts?

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  10. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Isn’t it convenient that several high profile issues were kept under the Liberal rock until after the Messiah got his damp socks changed? Any one of these new revelations would have changed voters minds. So much for that “transparency” we keep hearing about.
    And nothing has been done in response to the 911(2) attack.
    But I’m sure more apologies are on the horizon.
    Now , today, things are about to boil over in and around Israel.
    The exchange of rockets and artillery has started.
    Oummer will throw Israel under the bus as sure as the Sun will come up in the morning.
    Remember. “O” claims no Jewish blood.( but he does have Muslim blood) So we know just where his allegiance lies.

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  11. Jesus Betterman Avatar

    So you’ve got a “safe house” which is doubling as a cover for an arms shipping point in support of US policy towards Syria, and it gets attacked with the US ambassador inside, and so you’re going to tell the world the full story about this instantly, while the rebels in Syria still need help? You’ve got to be kidding! Which side are you on?

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  12. Jesus Betterman Avatar

    BTW, Walt there are folks in Penntucky on FB within my circles who are complaining about all the gunfire.

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  13. George Rebane Avatar

    JesusB 351pm – that would only be a concern if you were convinced that Al Qaeda was also willing to keep the purpose of the safe house a secret so it would not harm US interests, since Al Qaeda obviously knew the location and function of the safe house they attacked.
    Given the number of their factions and interests involved, there is very little that is a secret about Syrian rebels getting arms and other help from other countries.

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  14. Jesus Betterman Avatar

    As fa as I know, Al Qaeda has made no noises about the clandestine function of the safe house. Do you know otherwise?

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  15. George Rebane Avatar

    JesusB 408pm – what kind of noises would you have expected them to make?

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  16. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    The best thing about the “Benghazi Surprise” is that it had no effect on the presidential election. Well played, doncha think??

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  17. L Avatar
    L

    Nutzo has a great idea, endorsed by Dr. Rebane, but Todd is onto the real deal. Divide it up by, not state, but county. That way not too many people get enslaved who don’t deserve it. ‘Course the Blues might have trouble finding feed and fuel, but maybe they can eat lawyers and live on solar and wind. Unfortunately the new, Blue America doesn’t get Yosemite, the redwoods, or even the best MJ areas, all of which are inhabited by the misnamed “reds.” They get to live in the mess they have made of urban America; and they’re welcome to it.

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  18. George Rebane Avatar

    MichaelA 936pm – perfectly played.

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  19. Jesus Betterman Avatar

    You are the one claiming that there is a big coverup due to it being an arms running safe house, and generally, if it will hurt the USA, Al Qaeda would do it, in this case, broadcast far and wide that the house was being used to smuggle arms to Syria. They haven’t done that, therefore it was not being used for any such purpose, no?

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  20. Jesus Betterman Avatar

    Since automation will continue to decimate jobs well into the foreseeable future, perhaps the simplest way to establish a permanent and on-going fund for the unemployed would be to establish a fund by collecting 1/2 of the return that goes to investors, and requiring all corporations to pay dividends equal to at least ½ of the money that is otherwise reinvested in a company. The funds collected would allow the government to hire folks keep the commons clean, everywhere, and to pay extra for folks who can contribute in more the more scare skills areas, like those trained enough to help in the intake areas of ER’s, etc. Of course some corporations might choose to disband themselves, but others would surely fill in the holes.
    With ideas like these in play, maybe the better course of valor is for the Republicans to play ball with the more restrained requests of the Dems in power.

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  21. Billy T Avatar
    Billy T

    Mr. Betterman. Why establish a permanent and on going fund for the unemployed in the first place? We already have one. Have you lost your mind again? Pay people for doing nothing? You pay people to do nothing and they will do exactly that. Establish a fund for that? Nay, give them 2-3 weeks of a couple of hundred clams per week and then no more. That’s all folks.. Nothing permanent under the sun. Ever. Ok, we can put them to work scrubbing toilets in the ER waiting room and picking up cig butts outside our homeless camps. Wait, the homeless already pick up all the butts on the ground. Maybe have them wash and polish highway signs or go out and pull poison oak along our highways and by ways. Have them yank up thistle and crab grass as well. They can always meet me on the job and lick the sweat off my scrotum as I perform my tasks. That will get them off the “permanent unemployed” classification lickity-split.

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  22. Jesus Betterman Avatar

    You don’t get it Billy, if you permanently disemploy a subsizable portion of the country, then you are losing customers, and you are most likely looking to increase the jail population beyond the ability for even a 1% class that is selling goods abroad at a high pace to sustain. Plus it looks bad for national prestige to lock up that many folks, and is hard to explain to your kids, who may see the obvious extremes of unfairness better than you do.
    But then, maybe you’ll welcome the laws that limit truck drivers, underpaid and drugged up, from using the freeways during the daytime hours, and worse, so that the 1% can safely get around to their vacation homes. if we pamper the 1% with bend over country and take it in the rear laws as we are now asked to do so by the 1% political coalition, you can bet other such laws are on their way. I understand Boehner’s getting a taste of it a bit himself, after declaring, “no Tea Party Caucus.” They’re tweeting the twit out of him.

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  23. Ryan Mount Avatar

    Other ideas that would reap more benefit than “requiring all corporations to pay dividends equal to at least ½ of the money that is otherwise reinvested in a company:”
    – playing with a Bic lighter while filling your car up with gasoline
    – smearing yourself with peanut butter and running through an Alaskan Polar Bear reserve shouting, “save the polar bears.”
    – Watching Dr. Oz, even while stoned and/or drunk
    – Telling a Utah State Trooper that you have a CA script to carry that “weed” in the back of your Subaru.
    If you take away investment incentives, companies stop investing. If you force companies to have health insurance against their business models, unless one is McDonald’s of course with “waivers,” they are going to convert all their employees to work exactly 27.5 hours/week. Incentives. Incentives. Incentives. Maybe we should force TGI Friday’s to require full employment? While we’re at it, perhaps we can force them to have something non-ridiculous on the menu.

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  24. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I am still trying to find where it says in the Constitution where the government can tell me they have a right to interfere with my contract regarding my employees. Like the EEOC and all the other alphabet agencies. Where is that?

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  25. Russ Steele Avatar

    Here is another view of our political division by Joel Kotkin, five political nations:
    Looking at Tuesday’s election results, it’s clear the United States has morphed into five distinct political nations. In political terms there are two solid blue nations, perched on opposite coasts, that have formed a large and powerful bloc. Opposing them are two almost equally red countries, which include the historic Confederacy as well as the vast open reaches between the Texas panhandle and the Canadian border. Between these two largely immovable blocs stands the fifth nation – essentially the Great Lakes industrial heartland. By winning this territory – which could be called “Bailout Nation” – President Barack Obama built a winning coalition. Though this part of the country has suffered economic decline and demographic stagnation for decades, it is now emerging, as former President George W. Bush would put it, as “the decider” of America’s political fate. –Joel Kotkin, Reuters, 8 November 2012

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  26. Ryan Mount Avatar

    as “the decider” of America’s political fate
    The figurative Simon Cowell in this American Idol spectacle.

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  27. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    I am still trying to find where it says in the Constitution where the government can tell me they have a right to interfere with my contract regarding my employees. Like the EEOC and all the other alphabet agencies. Where is that?
    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 12 November 2012 at 07:08 AM
    The answer Todd is look to the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment.

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  28. Billy T Avatar
    Billy T

    Mr. Betterman, I do get it. Change is a’coming and a hard wind is going to blow. What I don’t like is your obsession with the 1%. Obama’s stick it to the rich wet dream will only reduce the deficit 7%. Nope, that won’t hold all the future hordes for stealing and robbing and stomping on people’s feet. There are other ways which as be discussed endlessly on these pages.
    I am 100% on board with Mr. Mount’s caution about taking away investment incentives. Taking half of a company’s reinvestment monies will produce the opposite effect you desire, especially if you include R&D in the mix. Companies are holding back on investments as we speak and when they do decide it is time to build new factories, new facilities, new equipment, fleets of new vehicles and other organic expenditures for growth….there will be some bozo standing in the wings taking half of that investment money to hire people to sweep up the round-Dee-bout.
    Shoot, it has to be 15-20 years ago that Chevron announced it takes 19 million in new equipment to hire one employee. No doubt you want half of the investment money and put some poor working stiff on the streets with those who lie, steal, cheat and stomp on people’s feet. Shame, shame. Or leave Chevron with a half employee to fit your half baked solutions. Yep, they can lick the sweat off my scrotum.

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  29. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    The Equal Protection Clause has nothing to do with the contract I have with my employees. Try again.

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  30. Ryan Mount Avatar

    Steve, although I do agree that the 14th Amendment seems to trump that relationship, the language is pretty specific in targeting the government’s* (lit. the State) relationship with its citizens, rather than the citizen to citizen discrimination. Of course we could just say the government is the actual citizens, thereby the 14th applies to every beating heart.
    More specifically, whether one agrees with this or not, this goes back to Kennedy and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (specifically Title 2, the “Injunctive Relief Against Discrimination In Places Of Public Accommodation”**) signed by Johnson. It was the first place where the public (and the State) and private property relationship became explicitly mutable. For example, you couldn’t deny a person a seat at the restaurant because they were African-American.
    This all was done under the guise of the Interstate Commerce clause of of the Constitution, in the spirit of 14th Amendment Steve notes. Both were important.
    So as long as you (Todd) aren’t discriminating against employees (not saying you do) based on gender, race, etc. AND you’re not violating any laws by prescribing, say, how to vote on an election, then it’s all good. The government generally doesn’t care.
    *Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
    **http://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=97&page=transcript

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  31. Ryan Mount Avatar

    Todd, see my note. It’s more complicated than the 14th Amendment.

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  32. Billy T Avatar
    Billy T

    Mr. Steele, your observations are spot on. The Rust Belt is the new decider. Folks that left the cotton fields back home to work in Detroit City are now ground zero in choosing our next President.
    I am saddened that only 50% of the adults bothered to vote. Looks like half of half is all it takes to get to ride on Air Force One. Just the way it is. Or perhaps Americans had their voice heard by not voting for either candidate, lol.
    Perhaps in this Multikulti spirit, the Republicans can extend the olive branch to the elitists and embrace some of the finer things in life those in the Ivory Towers prefer. Might soothe the savage beast and satisfy the discriminating palate.
    http://3rednecktenors.com/

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  33. George Rebane Avatar

    JesusB 1003pm – Doug, please re-read my 254pm before further forays into what you misconstrue as my ‘claims’ about Benghazi. Bad thinking.
    And your 1116pm doesn’t show a smidgeon of understanding how investment, capitalism, and human nature work. Implementing “ideas like these” would simply shut down private ownership of the enterprises involved. Their subsequent operation by government will yield a replay of Soviet economics.
    Your 416am shows that you are still suffering from the belief that the wealth of the 1% is that unjustly ripped from the just rewards of the poor. There is little that can be done to alter your worldview here – readings from history and the arguments presented on RR have made no mark on your armor as a class warrior.
    SteveF 803am – The interpretation of the 14th amendment you cite, once started, has no logical ending save total state sponsored slavery, equally applied. People of your faith have trouble with the see-saw concept of liberty and equality – they cannot be increased concurrently. ToddJ’s 708am stands.

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  34. Mikey McD Avatar

    Love to hear a progressive chime in on the atrocity. I will check in after I drive by the brand new (unneeded) CHP headquarters and (unneeded) CALFire headquarters…
    To forcefully take money to pay for this kind of crap is not moral.
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/11/picture-this-cabinet-portraits-for-big-bucks/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS#.UKErYJSDdPE.twitter

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  35. Jesus Betterman Avatar

    Since all companies, domestic and foreign, wishing to do business in the USA will be subject to the same lifeline fees, R&D and investment will go on, and the rich will still get richer, just more slowly.

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  36. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Jeez Todd, I think you need to study up on constitutional law. Your example was specific to the EOEC and its impacts. I think Ryan did a good job of describing that above. I would have gone into more detail, but clearly from your response it would have been a waste of time. .

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  37. Ryan Mount Avatar

    George-
    It’s not the 14th Amendment per se, it’s the laws that were drafted and enacted on top of it starting with the 1964 Civil Rights Act. There are other that followed. Some new, some amending the 1964 Act including the 1990 ADA and the most recent 2009 Lilly Ledbetter Equal Pay act that had nothing to do with equal pay, from my reading of Senate Bill 181.
    Everyone is free to challenge the laws in court based on their Constitutionality. Now might be a good time with the Robert’s court.
    Steve-
    I think this gets right at the heart of Multicuturalism. You can trace the rise of Multiculturalism to the 50s/60s in the field of Anthropology and Sociology (the structuralists in particular), when we collectively [gasp] realized for the first time, that just because one still hunted with arrows and cooked over fire, didn’t make them any less “smart” that people who developed radar ranges and power steering pumps.
    The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was an attempt to formalize multiculturalism into law.
    Doug-
    They may get richer either way. My guess is it won’t be in this country.

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  38. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Where is it enumerated in the Foundling enumerated documents the contract I have with my employee is written? Come on SteveF, put it here for all to see.

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  39. George Rebane Avatar

    RyanM 925am – I did not cite the 14th amendment as the justification for government’s ingress into contractual relationships, SteveF did. My 904am point to SteveF was about the interpretation of the 14th (that he cited) to justify a laundry list of laws providing for government’s intrusion into private lives and affairs.

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  40. Ryan Mount Avatar

    It’s more than the Constitution. We’re also required to follow laws created by the Congress and signed by the President. Well, no has to do anything, but there are consequences for failing to put in wheelchair ramps at your diner. Those laws are created and signed in rather arguable good faith with the Constitution.
    And because the Founders were a lot smarter than me (I would have just created some kind of benevolent dictatorship modeled after my railroad-working Father), they put in a third branch that can give the other two the middle finger. Take it to court, however I suspect some resignation from the Classical Liberals with that in mind. Can’t say I blame ya.
    We have really a great system. Well, as good as it can get providing each Federal branch keeps an adversarial stance towards the others. Heaven forbid they actually start working together. (not being sarcastic for once)

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  41. Walt B Avatar

    Signs of vote tampering are now starting to rear it’s ugly head.
    In many a precinct Mitt didn’t get one single vote. Even out of tens of thounds of voters? (But a third party gets some?) Naaa… No monkey business and vote screwing. Only Progressives would think that wouldn’t happen.

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  42. Walt B Avatar

    More of the “transparent as mud” administration signs bubble to the top of the scum bath.
    “The name Richard Windsor may sound innocuous, but it is allegedly one of the secret “alias” email accounts used by Obama EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson.
    “That is the name — sorry, one of the alias names — used by Obama’s radical EPA chief to keep her email from those who ask for it,” Chris Horner, senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute and author of the new book “The Liberal War on on Transparency,” told the Daily Caller News Foundation in an email.”
    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/12/epa-chiefs-secret-alias-email-account-revealed/#ixzz2C2NL04yN
    The corruption continues wholesale.
    Get used to the high fuel prices. This is just what “O” and the ECO lunatics wanted.
    More drilling is one more lie from “O”. The news is out about pulling the permits for tens of thousands of acres of FED land.
    Soon we all will be like ” Sandy” victims in line with fuel cans.

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  43. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Energy production in the USA? Well news flash…
    The U.S. will become the world’s top producer of oil within five years, a net exporter of the fuel around 2030 and nearly self-sufficient in energy by 2035, according to a new report from the International Energy Agency.
    Here’s the details for those that are not informed and only want to rant factless BS:
    http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-u.s.-oil-producer-saudi-arabia-iea-20121112,0,6181922.story

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  44. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    The Constitution is specific when it comes to interfering with contracts. That is why the 14th is not applicable. The 14th has to do with our personal interaction with government, not each other. The EEOC is truly an abomination of the Constitution. Frisch is wrong again.
    “The Contract Clause appears in the United States Constitution, Article I, section 10, clause 1. It states:
    No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.”

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  45. Ryan Mount Avatar

    Right Todd, which is why some people objected to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or subsequent laws and amendments. I find the 1990 ADA especially onerous not for its intentions, but they way it’s enforced.
    Challenges to the 1964 and subsequent laws have not gone well for challengers in the courts. The most recent battle has been over “private” organizations and clubs which have been mostly exempt from Civil Rights Laws. The Boy Scouts come to mind.
    But as an employer, the Government is not interfering with one’s contracts insofar as they are deemed lawful. Laws are an expression of the enumerated rights in the Constitution. They are not separate from them (rights) and can be challenged at any time in the courts.
    For a hypothetical example, an “old shouting fire in a crowded theater argument”: it would be in the People’s interest if in your contractual agreements one wrote had discriminatory language that prevented, say, a minority from getting hired, as per the Civil Rights Act and Equal Employment Act later in the decade. Or if there were addendum(s) in a Contract that forbid one from doing business with, I dunno, Presbyterians. (I would not recommend crossing a Presbyterian. Oh they’re reserved,but their roots are of a feisty Scots nature.)
    All of this is due to an admitted liberal interpretation of the 14th Amendment’s Section 1, quoted above.

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  46. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Ryan, thanks for trying to make sense of something that is only in practice because of a PC interpretation by the courts of a very simple Article.
    My point is not the issue of discrimination, but of freedom to “associate” with whomever I please and to hire and pay whomever I want. I did not make the government my partner so how they have morphed the laws into making me their enforcement arm on discrimination and collector of my employees payroll taxes is fascinating. We have allowed this. Just as the Dredd Scott decision was wrong, so are these liberal interpretations of simple laws in the Founding docs.

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  47. Billy T Avatar
    Billy T

    Hey, there is no plan nor SERIOUS intention to reduce the size and scope of government. That is why Keach and everybody are turning over rocks, even the lowly lowest rocks looking for money. They think the 1%ers will add more to the Treasury or the millionaires or those making 250/k a year, or 50k. Somebody else has to pay for the ride and you can’t get blood from a turnip. Yep, that will pay for an ever increasing every growing government, NOT! Arguments are now a waste of time.
    Government is like fire. It only consumes, is never satisfied, and does not contain one ounce of compassion. It is self serving and needs to be constantly fed to quell temporarily its unquenchable appetite.
    The rest is just horse pucky. Did a general poke his a female friend? 14th Amendment? These are merely diversions. The debt will grow and grow and the ship is sinking.
    I am sooo depressed. Don’t see a ray of hope. Next verse same as the first. The South will not rise again and we are not in Kansas anymore. The Great Divide is now a mute point. It has gotten down to be all about money. And the tax man is coming form every level of government to justify their jobs. President Obama on the last days of the campaign said “You all know what change looks like”. Yes we do Mr. President. It looks like a rotten carcass.

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  48. Paul Emery Avatar

    Billy T
    Your depression must hing on Romney losing the election. Given the recent history of the Repubs reckless spending and spiriling defecit do you really think his election would have made a difference? The pre bush tax rates led to a balanced budget. Also we didn’t have unfunded, unnecessary and unconstitutional wars to pay for.

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  49. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    Maybe off topic.
    Russ- You may want to watch this before you shut things down!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCz3H5paADQ

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