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Peter/Paul Principle – Whenever you promise to rob Peter to pay Paul, you can count on the full support of Paul.

George Rebane

It was a day of foreboding that ended in an evening of doldrums.  I did a little poll watching at the Rood Center while Jo Ann worked at the Republican HQ helping coordinate other poll watchers across the county.  We assembled before the TV in the evening to see history being made.  The final numbers are not in yet but Obama’s electoral count was above 300 and Romney’s was just above 200 when he conceded.  Then we watched the speeches, and contemplated possible futures.

What struck us about this election all along were the diametrical options offered by the candidates.  And when it came time to choose, our country split down the middle with half the voters seeing a bigger government as the better solution for America, while the other half saw government as the larger part of the many burdens which we already bear.  The vote also turned strongly on racial lines.

But most telling was a datum presented by CBS that showed the vote going about 2 to 1 for Obama by people who made less than $50,000 a year, and almost exactly the same ratio going for Romney by people making over that amount.  And we recall that $50,000 is the current median household income in America, which explains the 50-50 split in the popular vote.  (The actual 2011 number reported by the US Census Bureau is $50,054.)

So after all is said, it turns out that economics was a strong factor in how people voted.  As a low earner you didn’t have to understand the finer points of the economy to know how to vote.  All you had to understand was whether you’d be mostly on the paying or receiving end of things before marking your ballot.  We have again confirmed the lines that define our rift, but are no more sure today than yesterday about whether and how that knowledge will guide us in the direction to take America.  Yogi Berra’s wisdom about forks in the road will not help us.

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103 responses to “President Obama defeats Mitt Romney (edited)”

  1. Gregory Avatar

    What about the Senate, Paul? Isn’t it still less lopsided Dem than the one Obama had his first half-term?
    The entire House runs for reelection every 2 years, and is where all tax and budget bills originate. In the authority to move such legislation, the Speaker is rarely given all the credit or blame they deserve, with the President treated almost as a King.
    Gingrich balanced the Clinton budget, and it remains unclear whether or not Boehner will uncork anything similar here. Given how Obama has yet to show any real ability to work and compromise with the Republican congress, it may not happen; since Obama will be trying to burnish his place in history, stranger things have happened.

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  2. JesusBetterman Avatar

    Given how Greg refuses to admit his mistake about there being more Latino Republicans than Latino Democrats in the House, we can discount anything else he posts.

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  3. JesusBetterman Avatar

    Here’s another place where Greg can practise his counting skills, amazing he got out of 2nd grade!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans_in_the_United_States_Congress

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  4. JesusBetterman Avatar

    Whether it be the House alone, or the Senate, or both combined as Congress, Greg can’t count!
    “Ryan, it’s a shock to see you get it so right. It would also probably surprise most Obama supporters that there are more latino Republicans in the Congress than Democratic ones. And it would surprise just about everyone if Elizabeth Warren ever substantiates her claimed native American heritage.
    This was the ugliest, most underhanded political campaign I’ve ever seen, and that includes Nixon ’72.
    Posted by: Gregory | 07 November 2012 at 02:08 PM “

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  5. Gregory Avatar

    Haven’t had a chance to doublecheck, Keach, and I thought it would be fun to watch you simmer for awhile.

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  6. JesusBetterman Avatar

    Well my goodness Greg, I’ve provided you with sites etc, a damn site more than you did with me and your silly divide 1/7/8th in half problem.

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  7. JesusBetterman Avatar

    “your silly divide 1 and 7/8ths in half problem.”

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  8. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Greg,
    I think the bullshit campaigns were much worse back in the day. This stuff today is just fluffing, everyone knows it’s bullshit. Think Tivo, everyone is fast-forwarding.
    Chris Matthews is a dick, and he was hard to watch last night. We can certainly agree upon that.
    Baseball doesn’t have “blowouts.” Everything is still on the line, until the last out, until the last pitch. That’s the beauty of the game. There’s no time clock.
    American politics used to have a time clock but no longer. You can play “small ball” for 24 months and the game is unrelenting. It all comes down to momentum at the end of the game, and this momentum is based upon a military strategy.
    Obama won because he’s read the classics. Romney tried to position himself as an educated reader, but it turned out that he was nothing more than a magical thinker. In fact, his Mormom background made it more so.
    Michael A.

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  9. Gregory Avatar

    Keach, you’ve still not admitted Romney was never”Calling 47% of the country loafers”.
    Keachie is repeating a sting he got from me a decade ago; he botched a simple division by fraction problem that I didn’t even ask him to tackle, that I just referred to as an example of 4th grade arithmetic that many teachers an author (Liping Ma, ‘Teaching and Understanding Elementary Mathematics’) used while describe the shortcomings of many US teachers in elementary grades. Keach got it exactly wrong but I did give him a gold star for trying real hard.
    It wasn’t divide “in half”, Keach, it was divide by one-half. You still can’t get it right, can you?

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  10. Gregory Avatar

    You Republicans might get some solace out of this one, from the NY Times:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/08/us/politics/triumphant-obama-faces-new-foe-in-second-term-curse.html
    Obama ran his whole campaign as personal attacks against Romney. No hope, no change. Now he’s pretty dependent upon the House and Senate making nice and getting something done that, under Obama’s leadership before, didn’t get done.
    Then there’s Benghazi-gate, and if you don’t think sacrificing an ambassador and an embassy and then lying about the reasons to Congress and the people is a high crime or a misdemeanor, guess again. Or use google.

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  11. JesusBetterman Avatar

    You hinted at the fact that you were wrong here, over on the other blog, but obviously not here, and you compound the situation by getting bent about my memory of your loony toons situation, not unlike sawing a 2x4x8 in half, to get a 2x2x16, with a bit of glue.

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  12. JesusBetterman Avatar

    Greg, the loafers comment was shorthand for the representation he provided his wealthy donors of the status of 47% of the country. It carries the intent of what he did present on the video quite nicely, no retraction needed.

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  13. JesusBetterman Avatar

    “Then there’s Benghazi-gate,”
    Oh yeah, after the Republicans had reduced the funding for protection for overseas missions in recent years, it all Obama’s fault, yeah, Riiight!

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  14. L Avatar
    L

    For discussion purposes here, exactly how do we define the Latinos and Latinas among us? Being in Tucson, I can assure you that last name and skin color have little or nothing to do with it…

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  15. L Avatar
    L

    Por essempio: My former sister-in-law was from Argentina, spoke Spanish as a native language; father from Spain (Gomez) and mother from Italy. Latina or not? Black hair, brown eyes, lily-white skin. What say you?

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  16. Gregory Avatar

    Being conceived in Tucson, with family still there, and born and schooled in East LA, I agree, “L”.
    Benghazi-gate is about Obama lying for a month to cover up the fact that there were no rioters at the Benghazi embassy. Lying about his actions as commander-in-chief, not wanting to create his own October surprise.
    The idea that the lack of support to the embassy was due to Republican budget cuts is another lie that tainted the issue. Thanks for remembering it, Keach.
    “the loafers comment was shorthand for the representation he provided his wealthy donors” – Keachie
    In other words, he didn’t say it. Just come out and admit you got it wrong, Keach.

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  17. Gregory Avatar

    Missed a juicy one… “Obama won because he’s read the classics” – Michael A
    A bigger load of BS I’ve not read in quite a long time, and that includes Dick Morris’ column. With a BA in English with high honors from BYU, and the same sort of prep schooling as Obama, Romney is likely to be as well read, if not more, than Obama, whose BA is apparently PoliSci.

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  18. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    One thing I gleaned from MA’s BS I might agree with. I like the British election cycle regarding campaigns, not the Parliamentary system though. What is is if I have this right is they have a five week window for the whole campaign process. America has become one long continuous campaign and in my view it has diluted the importance of the political system.
    PaulE, the democrats led by Reid have already said yesterday they will not compromise in the Senate. So, with the House in R hands and the 60 vote requirement in the Senate, America is safe. What can happen though is Obama may do EO’s and cause a Constitutional crisis. We will see.
    Gridlock is maintained, America has a chance.

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  19. Paul Emery Avatar

    This was indeed a humbling experience for many including Todds polling guru Dean Chambers, the man who garnered praise from the right and notoriety on the left for his “Unskewed Polling” site.
    “Nate Silver was right, and I was wrong,” Chambers said.
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/08/unskewed-pollster-nate-silver-was-right-and-i-was-wrong/

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  20. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    I love how Russ implies I don’t give advise to Democrats—I have done that consistently on these blogs as the record would show if people read back in the record.
    But to honor his request I will do so again:
    1) The single most important issue in the country is the economy and President Obama should focus on the economy before he takes on any additional high profile initiatives. If I were in this administration I would be on the Hill today asking Republicans what we can do to avoid the fiscal cliff, and I would be seeking to find 3-4 signature Republican initiatives that can be included in an overall solution that they can both take credit for and use as a rationale for some of the other initiatives that they will need to reluctantly accept. Clearly the solution is going to need to be a combination of spending cuts and revenue increases so I would be trading off allowing the Bush tax cuts on the top 2% to expire and some cuts to proposed military spending [along a force restructuring plan that many agree we need] with changes to Medicare and Social Security. I think the Simpson-Bowles commission report is the blueprint for what those compromises might be.
    2) I would be talking to Republicans about a second ‘stimulus’ but not a spending based stimulus; this would be a regulatory based stimulus, and would be primarily, but not solely, targeted at small business. There are a number of areas where Democrats and Republicans could agree on meaningful regulatory reform to reduce barriers to investment and job creation–they should identify the key items, and push them through Congress in the lame duck session, while they are debating the cliff, as a demonstration of bi-partisanship, to give business the assurances they need to begin investing some of that $2.5 Trillion that is sitting on the sidelines right now. This sounds hard, but there are a number of reforms sitting on the shelf right now that could be done very quickly.
    3) Very shortly [after dealing with the cliff] I would be moving an immigration reform bill, very similar to the one that GW Bush proposed, and allow Republicans to drive the bill through the House.
    4) I would immediately begin negotiations with Republicans over creating a national energy policy that allows for expanded natural gas production, including on selected federal lands, along with appropriate regulatory protections, and the simultaneous expansion of renewable energy resources. [ironically renewable energy is a bipartisan objective even if a hot button with the far right, because the job creation and investment goes primarily to rural areas]. The target of this policy would be using natural gas as a bridge mechanism to move the country to 100% domestic resources with at least 50% from renewables in the next 25 years.
    5) I would offer the Republicans [and blue dog Democrats] the opportunity to make some adjustments to the ACA in exchange for dropping outright repeal over the next 4 years, primarily targeted at opening up the health care exchanges to more private sector out of state competition and creating reasonable liability caps.
    These are all domestic policy issues…..
    Now I have a question for Russ, if he is not on strike yet; do you think that if President Obama reached out to try to do a few of these things the Republicans would welcome that?

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  21. George Rebane Avatar

    JesusB 1056pm 1058pm – Keach, such remarks and arguments make serious responses to you an investment most of us are not willing to make. Take joy that you have a reliable correspondent in GregG (for reasons that still elude me).
    SteveF 833am – On the obverse to Keach, thank you for the well thought out approach to rapprochement between Obama and the Repubs. I have more to say about the efforts of a lame duck Congress in my KVMR commentary tomorrow (transcript here).
    The only thing that stuck out as something between implausible and impossible was your goal of achieving 100% energy sufficiently with 50% coming from renewables in 25 years. Perhaps you could expand on that.

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  22. Ryan Mount Avatar

    Too many topics to catch up.
    Greg, thanks, I think.
    Attempting to have a discussion with you reminds me of arguing with my Egyptian friends, best illustrated by this:
    Q: How many Egyptians does it take to screw in a light bulb?
    A: No, it is you who is wrong.
    Mr. Ken Jones-
    I never said the Republicans or the American Right was immune to negative politicking. (only so much room in a blog) I happen to agree with you regarding their obsessions, which they mostly dropped during this election cycle. I was implying that Democrats perfected this negative propaganda form. I prefer neither party, but it was clear the Democratic learned something important from their 2004 (I said 2004) lost: how to be a better assholes.
    All this was obvious for your typical third party voter. Also, a quick leisurely trip to Tahoe(Nevada side) a month back revealed just how ugly and nuclear the Democrats were willing to go. I was stunned by the volume of negativity on the TV ads and how they contained no substance.
    But that said, this was Romney’s race to lose. And he did. Obama just “showed up” and got his job back.

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  23. Jesus Betterman Avatar

    So again that brings up the question, why did the Republicans choose to lose in 2012? They want 4 more years to let the dems take the blame for an economy they’ve rigged in their favor, and they are not afraid of the government being able to do anything about it. Class warfare goes on, writ BIG and never talked about. They want the 98% to get used to the New Feudalism, and could give two whoops in hell about the 98%. To be continued.

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  24. Jesus Betterman Avatar

    For Greg, poetic license on quotes seem to be lost on you, but outright lies about Latinos in Congress are just fine? Rather screwball outlook, I’d say.
    BTW, just as a good starting point:
    “Congress, at the insistence of the House of Representatives, slashed the president’s request for embassy security and construction and forced another cut in fiscal year 2012. Altogether Congress has eliminated $296 million from embassy security and construction in the last two years with additional cuts in other State Department security accounts.
    Sequestration required under the Budget Control Act of 2011 will take more than $100 million more out of the program in 2013 if the current Congress does not overcome the impasse over budget cuts and tax revenues by yearend. Those cuts are largely the result of the draconian and unrealistically low budget caps placed by House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-WI) on all discretionary spending, falling particularly hard on the State and Foreign Operations Appropriations Subcommittee with responsibility for embassy security.”
    SEE? IT WAS CUT IN COMMITTEE. I amazes me that you don’t understand that bills are amended”

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  25. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Sure George: right now, California is almost 20 % renewable, proving that a gradual investment in this area can be successful. Almost 30 states have renewable portfolio standards (RPS) that require between 15%-33% renewables by 2025. Most are meeting or exceeding their objectives and timelines. If we can continue that trend the current level of investment would take us to about 35% by 2037. [By the way, I am including hydroelectric in the renewable portfolio nationally even though it is not included in the California mix] I think it is reasonable to think that advancements in technology and efficiency as these RPS standards are implemented will speed up the process. Also the cost per kwh of renewables compared to carbon based fuels is already coming down noticeably as renewables become a larger part of the mix. The real issue that needs to be dealt with is ‘storage’ and the actual mix of RPS qualifying electricity and carbon based fuels. A good deal of federal investment should be going to cracking the storage and transmission nut. But hell, if we can put a man on the moon and build particle accelerators we can figure out the storage problem.

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  26. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Oh yeah, right now nationally more than 12% of our electricity mix is renewable [including hydro]. There is another at least 5% in the pipeline right now and under construction (just in solar we have 3% in contract or construction phase right now and that is before DOI started releasing federal lands for additional development). And that is without even beginning to count reduced demand due to distributed generation like rooftop solar. I suspect rooftop solar could be 5% of the mix in 20 years as the price of solar plummets.

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  27. Ryan Mount Avatar

    why did the Republicans choose to lose in 2012?
    I don’t think anyone chooses to lose. Obama didn’t have the vetting that goes on during an primary cycle. He “just showed up.” Romney out played his GO opponents by running quite to the Right. (hey, that rhymed!) It’s like that old saying, you don’t have to out run the bear, you just have to out run your friend.
    Anyhow, Romney never recovered fully from his Mr. Burns primary persona, although I believe some of his position, FEMA for example, were grossly distorted by the Democrat operatives. He did make a run for the middle when his campaign detected vacuum (did he get sucked?), and it seemed for a while that the working class was warming up to him in the swing States.
    But as George pointed out, there is something to the whole “[w]henever you promise to rob Peter to pay Paul, you can count on the full support of Paul” thing. The Ohio working class was ostensibly bought off by the Obama Auto Bailout; some might call that Democracy in action, I call it cynical bullshit. The Obama Administration specifically targeted Ohio for pumping because they knew Ohio would be key in 2012.
    So when those Reagan Democrats when to the polls, they were carefully coached by a 3 to 1 ad spending spree by Obama reminding them that he saved their jobs. Romney added to Obama’s lead by saying Jeep was moving to China.

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  28. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    The Republicans had three years to figure this out, IF, they really wanted to win. Knowing that they had no real plans to do anything for the middle and working classes, they took a pass, I will admit, a very carefully calculated pass, I’m sure closer to winning than the thought they were risking.

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  29. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Looks to me like they’ll run the stock market down, much as they ran the oil prices down from June 2008 to Jan 2009. Makes a nice talking point for the next go round.

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  30. Ken Jones Avatar
    Ken Jones

    Ryan I think we agree on much more than we differ. I too am a third party member, never have been a D or an R. I have voted for both parties in local state and federal election. My intent was to vote for Jill Stein. I changed my mind at the last moment for two reasons. Primary reason was in response to the moronic comments on some of the hard right blogs, and the equally moronic letters to the editor in The Union. Such unadulterated BS. The second reason was I knew my vote wouldn’t change the outcome in CA. My intent is always to vote the best candidate regardless of party. I think the entire nation, except the fringes, are fed up with the negativity of the major political parties. But Mike Anderson made a viable point. While we agree these recent campaigns reek with BS and lies, they are perhaps mild compared to earlier campaigns in our nation’s history. Doesn’t make the listening any easier but gives some perspective. What I remember most of 2004 campaign were the Swift Boat lies. When the Rs made a decorated veteran an enemy; Kerry was awarded several combat medals that include the Silver Star, Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts, the biggest assholes emerged from the GOP. Now in hindsight Edwards was/is a pretty large asshole too. In CA we may have been spared the mass negativity as we were not considered a swing state like NV. And for that I believe we were blessed.

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  31. Gregory Avatar

    Keach, poetic license in quotes is covered by defamation laws. There is no poetic license there.
    My statement regarding latinos in Congress wasn’t a lie, and you should retract that (not that I can remember you ever doing the right thing when faced with corrections in the past). I repeated in good faith what I had heard during the election coverage and I’ve no way of telling whether I erred in the hearing or the teller erred in their facts, and you had now way to determine whether my error was intentional. I’d have cleared it up quickly but I thought I’d let you use as much rope as you wanted as long as it would be going around your neck.
    I suppose they could have been referring to the fact that the all of the Latino or Hispanic elected to congressional office two years ago were Republican. Or that in January, there will be twice as many Latino or Hispanic Senators who are Republican than Democrats.
    Now, regarding lies, which is the intentional assertion of a falsehood, there are House and Senate inquiries into the issues of the attacks on the Benghazi embassy and the four Americans who lost their lives. “What did they know and when did they stop knowing it” (as NatLampCo once put it) is an issue that will not go away.

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  32. Gregory Avatar

    Make that “I suppose they could have been referring to the fact that the all of the Latino or Hispanic newly elected to congressional office two years ago were Republican.

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  33. Gregory Avatar

    “Attempting to have a discussion with you reminds me of arguing with my Egyptian friends, best illustrated by this:
    Q: How many Egyptians does it take to screw in a light bulb?
    A: No, it is you who is wrong.” -Ryan
    Ryan, that’s what I’d say about your style. Perhaps if you find a statement of mine that fits that caricature (something must have caused that particular choice of words), I’ll find a glaring non sequitur of yours to match.

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  34. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    You are absolved of your lie, but you never would have been accused had you been more forthcoming with your shaky source in a timely manner. George has set a precedent here for having one’s very own dictionary. I am merely following in his foosteps, with my poetic license quotes.
    “Or that in January, there will be twice as many Latino or Hispanic Senators who are Republican than Democrats.”
    Please list them. And be clear, are these simply new Senators, or all of them?

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  35. Ryan Mount Avatar

    Greg, for Pete’s sake. Lighten up Francis…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cxNR9ML8k
    Unless you are indeed Egyptian, which in case I’m wrong.
    Ken-
    Cool. Yeah, I’m not that impressed with the Republicans either, but I really think the Democrats perfected nastiness this season. I judge this more by the reaction of their team (Facebook, casual conversions at Safeway, friends, etc), than the actual source of the controversy (the “God meant Rape to happen” becomes “if you elect Romney, we’re all gonna git’ raped”). Reminds me of that Blazing Saddles’ criminal line up in front of Harvey Korman. “You said rape twice…”
    Keachie> Republicans had three years to figure this out
    You got that right. I think the fact of the matter is neither major party has a way out. I never bought the whole “Obama is a socialist thing.” If he is, he is a terrible one. The Democrats and their fiscal dove enablers (the Fed, Krugman, dumb-ass but well-meaning college students, and people who watch Dr. Oz) in particular are just trying to keep the already brain-dead patient alive hoping something will work out, Terri Schavio-style.

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  36. George Rebane Avatar

    DougK 1141am – Welcome back under your own banner Doug. Dressed as Jesus did not become you, except perhaps for the halo.
    Re poetic license and understanding your use of words. I would welcome a link to your own glossary, one that you would include when exercising your license. However, using language without such a clarifying proviso is confusing, and does not follow my “precedent”.
    (To readers unaware, the RR Glossary & Semantics is available from the top right column.)

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  37. Ryan Mount Avatar

    George-
    Hi. I was hoping to see an entry for “disembrained.” Although to be honest, I’m not sure how to define it. Too colloquial? Too hipster?

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  38. Ken Jones Avatar
    Ken Jones

    Ryan anyone that quotes Blazing Saddles has my upmost respect. Still can’t understand how Blazing Saddles didn’t get nominated for Best Picture in 74, but I guess the Godfather II might be one reason.
    Reporter: Sir, those are dummies.
    Governor William J. Le Petomane: How do you think I got elected?

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  39. George Rebane Avatar

    RyanM 1244pm – perhaps ‘disembrained’ deserves an entry. I have some ideas, but since it’s your suggestion, please use it in a sentence or two.

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  40. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    For a more in=depth look at Hispanics and the election, especially from the Chicana point of view, consider joining the National Tequila Party Movement:
    http://tucsoncitizen.com/hispanic-politico/2012/11/07/mexican-american-post-election-analysis-tea-party-republican-us-candidates-died-everywhere-except-in-arizonas-archaic-arpaio-land/

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  41. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    This wraps it up for Russ Steele:

    It also shows how social media works, note all the different ways to share.

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  42. Gregory Avatar

    Keachie, there was no lie and, of all people, you are not the one to be giving absolution.
    Ryan, I could not ask for a more expected response from you. Rather than answer the question, you say I should lighten up, linking an clip that was funny 20 years ago, and I shouldn’t be ticked off unless I was actually Egyptian like the friends of yours that you presented a caricature of. Do they know what you think of them?
    I’ve worked closely with Egyptians in the past, one in particular who counseled me in my in-house marketing of a packet voice protocol a few years ago. He has a few RFC’s under his belt, and having a discussion with him was not at all like your acquaintances. Same thing with Egyptian neighbors, and Iranian housemates, too, as far as that goes.
    Your difficulty might have more to do with your choice of associates, or, more likely, the random and often immature nature of your communications.

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  43. Ryan Mount Avatar

    Hi Greg. I hope you’re having a great day. I sure am. No onto these pointless and frankly weird questions.

    Do they know what you think of them?
    Yes. Where do you think I got the light bulb joke from? They, unlike some folks in this thread, have a sense of humor. Now, I’m perfectly willing to acknowledge the role of taste in such things, but if one can’t laugh at a simple light bulb joke, or worse take offense at it, which is very odd, the only thing I can suggest is what my good old Mom used to say (and still does, as she’s trotting about the globe on Cruise Ships): “If you can’t take a joke, F*%$ you.” [edited for the kiddies, with my pardons, but that’s what that’s what it’s like being raised with Blazing Saddles on the shelf]
    the random and often immature nature of your communications.
    I take the 5th! But I also fart in your general direction. (said with a Monty Python French accent).

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  44. Gregory Avatar

    Ryan, make that nearly always immature nature of your communication. I’m not here to trade joke with the kiddies, and since I’ve been a Python(Monty) fan long enough to actually own their three sided vinyl album, “Matching tie and handkerchief”, let me assure you I both know all the jokes and am unimpressed with those who think they are somehow special because they can uncork one of the more obvious ones and be funny as a result.

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  45. Gregory Avatar

    New news about things being kept secret until after the election… Iran shot at one of our drones operating over international waters last week, 16 miles away from their coast. It was on a surveillance mission.
    The reason given for the delay of a week was that the mission was classified, but it does seem the nature of the mission was pretty obvious to the Iranians, as well as the news that they shot at it.
    Yet another bit of info withheld from Americans, with the fairly obvious motivation of not allowing such things to tarnish the campaign narrative of the middle east winding down due to the capable leadership in Washington.

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  46. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    “Yet another bit of info withheld from Americans, with the fairly obvious motivation of not allowing such things to tarnish the campaign narrative of the middle east winding down due to the capable leadership in Washington.”
    And GW Bush would have released such information on the eve of the 2004 election? Rubbish. You just don’t like Obama and are picking nits even after he’s been re-elected for some unknown reason.
    I guarantee you that nothing will come of the Benghazi tragedy. Time to move on, it’s small potatoes.
    I can’t wait for the real meat of PPACA to start coming into play. I do hope, however, that the Republicans work hard and help with useful revisions and improvements, instead of pouting and taking their ball home and hiding it in the closet.

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  47. Jesus Betterman Avatar
    Jesus Betterman

    Hey¡Zeus! has always been known for granting absolutions, as well as abstract solutions to problem like what is how many ergs are there in Greg when he is divided by ½, and then squared?

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  48. Paul Emery Avatar

    To make it simple, the Pubbers lost because they had an insincere candidate faking it as a Conservative and a really crappy campaign. The big money boys are really pissed because they were led down a primrose path by Rove and the other bill collectors but were unable to deliver because their campaign was so 2004. Benghazi was pumped up by Fox with a ho hum from the electorate. Romney will join Bush in exile and Obama will run them (Repubs) ragged now that he has the taste of blood. Big fun.

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  49. Paul Emery Avatar

    One more thing. The Repubs have won the popular vote for Pres only ONE time in the last 20 years (Bush in 04) All Obama had to do was turn the key and step om the gas. It’s astounding they couldn’t take their huge majority in State houses and governorships to victory in the Senate and Presidential races. They forgot the first rule of national politics-take and possess the middle. Romney was the guy who could have done that but was pulled away by the TP’s into no win land during the primary and never recovered.

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