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Peter/Paul Principle – Whenever you promise to rob Peter to pay Paul, you can count on the full support of Paul.

George Rebane

It was a day of foreboding that ended in an evening of doldrums.  I did a little poll watching at the Rood Center while Jo Ann worked at the Republican HQ helping coordinate other poll watchers across the county.  We assembled before the TV in the evening to see history being made.  The final numbers are not in yet but Obama’s electoral count was above 300 and Romney’s was just above 200 when he conceded.  Then we watched the speeches, and contemplated possible futures.

What struck us about this election all along were the diametrical options offered by the candidates.  And when it came time to choose, our country split down the middle with half the voters seeing a bigger government as the better solution for America, while the other half saw government as the larger part of the many burdens which we already bear.  The vote also turned strongly on racial lines.

But most telling was a datum presented by CBS that showed the vote going about 2 to 1 for Obama by people who made less than $50,000 a year, and almost exactly the same ratio going for Romney by people making over that amount.  And we recall that $50,000 is the current median household income in America, which explains the 50-50 split in the popular vote.  (The actual 2011 number reported by the US Census Bureau is $50,054.)

So after all is said, it turns out that economics was a strong factor in how people voted.  As a low earner you didn’t have to understand the finer points of the economy to know how to vote.  All you had to understand was whether you’d be mostly on the paying or receiving end of things before marking your ballot.  We have again confirmed the lines that define our rift, but are no more sure today than yesterday about whether and how that knowledge will guide us in the direction to take America.  Yogi Berra’s wisdom about forks in the road will not help us.

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103 responses to “President Obama defeats Mitt Romney (edited)”

  1. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    George,
    I very much appreciated your commentary. I think it is poignant in 3 ways: 1) you have defined the split very accurately, though I would add that it’s important to note that this split is no longer geographical in the larger sense, that the geographical separation is neighborhood by neighborhood (except in the purple areas where there is more of a frothy mix), 2) since this split is financial at $50K, both sides are going to need to compromise, that’s what Simpson-Bowles is all about, 3) race, and immigration, has a lot to do with this split.
    That all being said, I am looking forward to the coming sequestration battles that should begin in, oh, about 3 hours or so )-:

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  2. JeffPelline@mac.com Avatar
    JeffPelline@mac.com

    George,
    LOL! You pompous fool.
    Prop. 30 must be tough to swallow too.
    [I leave this comment as yet one more revealing monument to the man’s character. gjr]

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  3. JesusBetterman Avatar

    Seems to me that $34,000 is the new median income, not $50,000, so it is a different split, and frankly, the voters actually corralled by the Repubbys and FOX news probably have a very large number below the median, as lawyers, for example, are largely Democratic and way the heck above even $50,000. As for the 10% plus Hispanic vote, who again invited the camel under the border tent? It sure wasn’t the Unions, or even the average “American” worker. It’s been a long process, but even switching the ethnicity of the American worker has not prevented those new workers from demanding a fair share of the pie, one way or the other. We do not need more obscene wealth displays, and at least some of those at the top understand this and have at least pledged to redistribute 50% of their gains during their lifetimes.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/erincarlyle/2012/09/18/forbes-400-billionaires-whove-signed-the-giving-pledge/
    (there is an ad here, wade through it)
    Romney’s name is not on the list. I guess 50 million a piece is not enough for each of his kids.

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  4. Russ Steele Avatar
    Russ Steele

    Americans have made their choice, they have chosen liberal piety over America’s future, free condoms over freedom, and they have chosen to hasten our decline so that we will be no more exceptional than failing Greece or Spain. We will soon be mired in the mandated multiculturalism that is destroy the social fabric in the UK.
    California will lead the way with the passage of Prop 30. We will show the rest of the nation how to grow broker faster, how to create more stifling rules, more self-righteous organizations, and ever more leftwing in our politics. The worse it get’s, the more voters will vote for more of the same. We have reached a point where the decline can only accelerate, as there are now more takers voters than wealth producing voters, as yesterday’s election validated. The wealthy will do what they can to protect their wealth and the takers will work even harder to craft ways to take what they have not earned, but feel entitled. As the states economy declines the cultural wars will spill into the streets. Gun sales are up across the nation and are expected to accelerate again after the election.
    With California leading the way America will soon take it’s place among the great civilizations whose success was their eventual undoing. Our descendants will wonder why they can’t come close to matching our past achievements. Then they’ll go vote for a faster decline.
    What is left of the American spirit will vanish and we will take our place in history along side the other great nations who have left only a legacy for the archeologist to sift through and wonder, how could such a great nation decline when they had made such great progress. We are living the answer as documented on these pages.

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  5. Barry Pruett Avatar

    Well put George.

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  6. JesusBetterman Avatar

    I see the Gloomdah did arrive at Goombah’s. People who are happy and have a sense of getting a fair shake are far more productive than gloom and doomers. Make way for the next generation of successful Americans. “I’ve got mine and screw you” is now, “OUT.”

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  7. Russ Steele Avatar
    Russ Steele

    OK, now lets hear from some our insightful lefty commentators, including his purpleness . What does Obama do now?
    We are about to go over a fiscal cliff, and he denies it. Our economy is getting worse, and he denies it. Our poverty rate is getting worse, and he denies it. Our foreign policy has come apart at the seams, and he denies it. Al Qaeda is alive and well, and he denies it. Obamacare is about to ruin every small business in America, and he denies it. Our military is heading for an implosion, and he denies it. Iran is about to go nuclear, and he denies it. Our country has not been so divided in over one hundred years, and he denies it. He bears great responsibility for that division, and he denies it.
    So, insightful lefty’s what is the plan?

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  8. Ben Emery Avatar

    Yesterday’s election was a complete rejection of the Republican vision for America. Americans overwhelming threw the assault on women back in the Republicans face by electing more women to the US Senate than any other time in our nations history. I guess woman can fight off an aggressive assault, its called running for office.
    Don’t get me wrong it definitely wasn’t an approval of the Democratic Party vision since they don’t have one. The real campaign starts today, the campaign to create a functional American where all people have equal rights, where workers can earn a living by working one job, we address global warming/ climate change as nation not as individuals only, and American military empire begins to reduce in size and scope.

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  9. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    I am not sure what both George and Russ think they are really saying here. If one looks at the electoral map the regions of the country with the highest wages and the highest average median incomes voted for Obama and the regions with the lowest voted for Romney. It’s not like those making less than $50K elected Obama. I think that if the voters said anything it was that they are sick of obstructionism, dysfunctional governance, division based on race, gender, income and class, and they want something done.
    I agree that it will be up to the Democrats to now put forward some rational policies to solve the fiscal cliff issue, create more bi-partisanship in our Congress, and keep the economy moving–but if the mind set of the Republicans is to mis-charaterize democratic policies as is being done here, it will only get worse for the R’s in the long run. They are on the wrong side of demographics and history here….
    It is time for some real soul searching inside the Republican Party, and they might wnat to take a few months to do that, because if they don;t they are facing a wave election in 2014. Mitch McConnell set the wrong tone last night with his comments……the election is over, it is time to work together to solve our problems, not continue the war in Congress.
    Just a little advise from what you would call the left, but is really the center!

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  10. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Actually, Doug, the gloomy ones are on the left. The quick hit of euphoria that comes with this ‘win’ will settle back down to the same sense of ‘where’s all my free stuff?’ We conservatives are productive and happy no matter who’s in power because we don’t depend on the govt for our rights or well being. It’s the poor and working poor that will be slammed by the worsening economy. We are sad for them. People that feel entitled will never have enough ‘stuff’ to ever be happy, because they look for joy in the wrong things. A ‘fair shake’ as you put it will never occur because that fair shake is based on outcomes, not opportunity. Opportunity is still staring this country in the face, but we have rejected it for the glittering aura of ‘free stuff’.
    Russ put it concisely in a nut shell. Free condoms over freedom. Ah, brave new world.

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  11. TheMikeyMcD Avatar

    I have never been so hopeless about our country (and CA), ever.
    The progressives are focused on abortion and weather patterns while… http://www.debtclock.com
    My only inkling of hope is that yesterday’s vote will quicken our demise and allow us to rebuild on a moral foundation.

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  12. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    One very Republican friend of mine was singing Romney’s praises early in the primary season. A small business owner, nice guy. PoliSci major. He thought Romney was the adult in the room with business experience who could unite the country.
    What I remember about Romney was his slash and burn tactics in which he clawed his way to the top of the Republican heap. Gingrich was waging a campaign of big ideas. Paul was waging a campaign of big ideas. Compared to Romney, even Bachmann was waging a campaign of big ideas, and Romney was turning the Reagan 11th commandment, Thou Shalt not Speak Ill of other Republicans, on its head while he was at it with deluges of negative ads. One by one, he knocked them off. Pretty much what Obama then did to Romney, with help from the weather.
    No change. No mandate.
    Prop 30 passed, so we have a BandAid for the Brown budget. It’s a disturbing precedent; Sacramento has now learned it can get citizens to pass “temporary” tax increases by passing budgets that automatically trigger onerous cuts to popular programs if citizens dare to vote the taxes down. Like this old NatLampCo cover:
    http://static.scripting.com/photos/archive/2008/12/17/ifYouDontBuyThisMagazineWellKil/original.jpg
    The good news is that California’s budget woes will be solved, Sacramento has learned it’s lesson, and we’ll all get nice baskets from the Easter Bunny in the Spring to balance the lump of coal from Santa that we won’t be allowed to burn.
    I didn’t, but Nevada County as a whole voted for Romney, so paint the County red. In total 54% voted against Obama.

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  13. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “I think that if the voters said anything it was that they are sick of obstructionism, dysfunctional governance, division based on race, gender, income and class, and they want something done.” -Frisch
    The Republican House was reelected more handily than Obama was, so most of America voted for their Congresscritter to keep up the fight, and it was the Obama campaign that was based on race, gender, income and class. Ugly and divisive.

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  14. Russ Steele Avatar
    Russ Steele

    Steven@07:50
    I am sure that the Republican will get a round to doing a little navel staring, but in the mean time what is Democratic plan, the election is over and they cannot continue to demonize the Republicans for a failed economy. The House has put forth plans and jobs bills and they have been rejected by the democratically controlled Senate, which has not produced a budget in 3 years. They have no plan. That is the problem. Soon, world event will overcome their stasis and we will all be in deeper trouble than we are now. There is no way to tax and spend our way to prosperity. If there was we would all be millionaires.
    So Steven what is your vision for Obama’s plan to keep us from going off an economic cliff, for stopping Iran’s bomb development, for blunting Al Qaeda charge across the globe, etc. You are quick to give Republican advice, what is your advice for Democrats and Obama?

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  15. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Perhaps what people are actually saying Scott is that reproductive health care is ….health care, to be decided by the individual, and you should keep you hands off people’s condoms and private parts That would be the ‘conservative’ position. Just because women have vaginas is no reason that your policy should control them; their first and primary property right is their right over their own selves.
    Here are the issues Republicans need to address:
    1) make a deal on the fiscal cliff that looks something like an adjustment to the Bush tax cuts to raise taxes on the top 2% and maintain the middle class tax cuts. (to get to a ‘real deal’ we may need to extend the debt ceiling and move the negotiation to the new Congress, but it should be front and center and O should do nothing else until this is fixed).
    2) work with Democrats to get meaningful immigration reform, based ironically on the reforms proposed by former President Bush.
    3) work with Dem’s to make some adjustments to Medicaid and Social Security ala’ some of the recommendations of the Simpson-Bowles commission (I can hear Ben now)
    4) work with Dem’s to restructure the American military so it can focus more on rapid deployment and less on fixed assets..and realize the savings that can come from modernizing and re-purposing our force
    5) seek moderate health care reforms including across state insurance exchanges and medical liability reform….the ACA is not going to be overturned in the next 4 years and Rep’s should now work to improve it. I don’t think it is too late, especially if support for the ACA comes with other fiscal reforms.
    6) admit Republicans are wrong on climate science and the need for real adaptation and mitigation policy….they are wasting your time…the people are increasingly convinced that climate change is real, it is substantively human caused, and we need to do something about it.
    That would be a good start toward becoming the meaningful productive opposition party Republicans should be.

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  16. JesusBetterman Avatar

    Scott, try reading the MikeyMcD right below you. How close to losing in the global market cliff do the Republicans want to race their engines? Greg was actually kinda funny this morning. Congratulations!

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  17. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    No Steve, the Republicans are right on climate science, though in general they have as much understanding of it than you and Ben Emery do. Virtually none. That goes for Mayor Bloomberg, too.
    Tabloid climatology and blaming the weather won last night, but it doesn’t change the scientific tides. There has been no warming trend in the last 16 years, and hurricanes have been trending down, not up, but something like half the voters thought the Storm was either Important or Very Important in their election decision. They sky isn’t falling. It also isn’t heating up.
    Sandy-like storms are very common in the north Atlantic (there were even two with 10′ or greater storm surges in the 1630’s), but a landfall onto NJ and NY just before the election, giving Obama one last chance to look Presidential, was just dumb luck.
    There are 5 million fewer people in the US working today than 4 years ago; making energy more expensive won’t reverse that.

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  18. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Steve – Obama care is all about inserting the fed govt in between the doctor and patient. Even more so now than ever. And I would be fascinated to understand why women have some special rights that men don’t. Where do women get a right to “free” abortions and birth control?. The problem is that women in this country do have control over their bodies but, (as with men as well) don’t seem to be very interested in exercising very much of that control.
    This election has shown what folks want more than anything else. Free abortions and birth control, legalised dope and more freebees from Uncle Sugar. Working is, well, work. What a drag. Obama had 2 years to pass all of this great stuff you mention, but he didn’t even TRY. Now you want the R’s to help do what he couldn’t be bothered to do. Sorry – you Dems had your shot and you screwed up big time. Now we get 4 more years of baby Obama crying and making excuses. Already you are sounding like a sour puss.

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  19. JesusBetterman Avatar

    Will it be government regulation, or Big Franchise Corporate that limits this owner’s free speech? Did you ever read the details on the Ronald McDonald’s House funding in 6 point type at the bottom of a Happy Meals box?
    “McDonald’s© donates a penny per Happy Meal or Mighty Kids Meal© sold. Participation may vary.”
    They (corporate) ought to require each restaurant to post just what their participation is, to stimulate giving.

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  20. George Rebane Avatar

    To me the big story from this election is corroboration that the tipping point about the direction of our Republic is long passed. The significant half of Americans have bought into the death spiral of all democracies. In 2009, after Obama was first sworn in and then quickly confirmed his promise to transform America, I gave a talk that was summarized in ‘Republicans Need a New Strategy’.
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2009/05/republicans-need-a-new-strategy.html
    The arguments made then and during the intervening years are more true than ever. The question now is, can this democracy still return to its republican roots.

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  21. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    The election went pretty much as I predicted with Romney losing because he was pushed too far to the right. He never looked comfortable as a candidate. He could have won if he was allowed to be the moderate he really is. The Democrats gobbled in the Senate even in solid Republican states because of more mainstream candidates. Lose lips sink campaigns. Just ask Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock. To will elections you need to keep your mouth shut and your pecker in your pants. Romney supporting Mourdock was unbelievably lame and showed what a poor campaign team he had.
    The Dems were miles ahead in organization and communications. It’s OK to be a Conservative but we do live in 2012 and you have to reasonably keep up with the times. A woman’s right to chose has nothing to do with fiscal responsibility but because the Pubbers had to throw bones to the Thumpers it probably lost the election along with the unbelievably insensitive and impractical view on immigration. The Republicans now have no legacy. Reagan is dead, Bush is exiled and Romney has no place or interest in continuing in politics. The Tea Party Pit Bulls will be de-fanged by the return of the moderate republicans and that will cause a major civil war within the party.
    Obama’s victory was wide but not very deep. Nate Silver got it right again. Th Republican Party failed as an opposition party.

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  22. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Paul, toss in the total failure of the R’s to understand… demographics… where they are and where they are headed in the future.

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  23. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    This does a good job of covering what happened and why:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/07/us/politics/senate-races.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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  24. Dixon Cruickshank Avatar
    Dixon Cruickshank

    In reading Frischs first post all his posts actually were exactly opposite of reality
    most of all – population centers in the NE contain more poor people in the inner cities, otherwise why would Cuyuga County in cleveland be the biggest Obama County.
    All your reasons are in reverse but would expect nothing less, and at virtually 50/50 not much mandate. It was only an inner city mandate from coast to coast – except CA which is not on the same planet anyway, which is why you don’t understand.

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  25. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    What happened in Florida?

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  26. Ryan Mount Avatar

    Welp, it almost seemed like Romney might have pulled it off until the ghosts of Christmas past started catching up with him. Notably the really out-of-touch abortion candidates (social issues are the killer for the GOP), and of course candidate Romney himself who was never able to fully shed his Mr. Burns persona as well as his nuanced differences of opinion with Obama on things like the American auto bailout/bankruptcy. His odd immigration proposals that certainly didn’t connect with Latino voters (not that he really had a chance with them to begin with).
    The GOP may certainly have to moderate their positions to draw in more minorities, but why should they? Why do we put up with this two party pretense that it somehow captures the will of the electorate. Besides, 6 years ago ago the GOP ran everything? Have they suddenly switched their platform in 6 years? I think not. What has changed in the past 6 years is the rhetoric from the American Left that discovered the gift of distortion and demonization. Suddenly every 2012 Republican was pro-Rape and hated equal pay for women. It’s so laughable and cynical that it’s almost hard to type it. But it worked. Congrats on winning the race to the bottom. How does it look from down there?
    What we need is a couple of opposition parties from differing political persuasions. I dunno? 2 more? And how we get there is by removing the so-called “spoiler” effect with instant run off elections. We should also get rid of the “winner takes all” electoral college system that possesses 48 of the 51 districts. Let each district vote for President based on their popular vote. How would District 1 have voted, for example?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y3jE3B8HsE

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  27. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    The solution for the Republicans is simple, Dixon. Decrease the sizes of the inner city areas by making those job they talk so much about, and hiring the inner city folks, pay them good enough wages so that they can move to single family homes in the suburbs, and become good Republicans. Simple, simple…

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  28. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Let’s be honest; Romney/Ryan would have won had the media been covering the Obama/Rice lies (and I use the term precisely, knowingly repeating a falsehood for personal gain) about Benghazi, or if there hadn’t been a storm with perfect timing hitting a soft spot really hard; Obama’s NJ photo op cost him an hour and very possibly enabled a second term.
    CBS alone sat on enough interview footage that would have sent Obama tumbling had it been shown in a timely manner, when the issue was fresh.
    Not that Republicans shouldn’t have done better with the hand they were dealt.

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  29. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Calling 47% of the country loafers, was a real turning point. The video that changed the election, followed by the abortion clowns, all washed out Romney’s bridges to the Common Man, and then to the Common Woman.

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  30. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “I think not. What has changed in the past 6 years is the rhetoric from the American Left that discovered the gift of distortion and demonization. Suddenly every 2012 Republican was pro-Rape and hated equal pay for women. It’s so laughable and cynical that it’s almost hard to type it. But it worked. Congrats on winning the race to the bottom. How does it look from down there?” -Ryan Mount
    Ryan, it’s a shock to see you get it so right. It would also probably surprise most Obama supporters that there are more latino Republicans in the Congress than Democratic ones. And it would surprise just about everyone if Elizabeth Warren ever substantiates her claimed native American heritage.
    This was the ugliest, most underhanded political campaign I’ve ever seen, and that includes Nixon ’72.

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  31. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Kinda odd, Greg, I count roughly 19 Dems, 5 Repubs in the House, and there are only 8 positions in the Senate, not specified. Some kinda new fangled whole earth math?
    http://www.newstaco.com/2012/11/07/record-number-of-new-latinos-in-congress/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=record-number-of-new-latinos-in-congress

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  32. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Calling 47% of the country loafers”
    Thank you, Doug Keachie, for an illustration of the lying of the past silly season. That was how it was spun, not what Romney was saying. And he was right; a more mainstream way to say it is that when robbing Peter to pay Paul, you will get Paul’s vote.
    Can I have my Obamaphone now?

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  33. Russ Steele Avatar
    Russ Steele

    Guy seeking job tells Bloomberg to shove it. Steven should enjoy this:
    The straw – albeit a particularly dense one – that truly broke the camel’s back for me however, was Bloomberg editor Josh Tyrangiel tweeting that same day, presumably to ramp up sales of this particular issue that, “Our cover story this week may generate controversy, but only among the stupid.” This is not language becoming of the editor of a major mainstream news publication and solidifies my opinion that BBW is an outlet for propaganda, rhetoric and schoolboy level insults, not a publication to be taken seriously – especially for anyone who works in the business world needing facts on the ground on which to make decisions. And the facts on the ground are that not only are the claims of catastrophic anthropogenic global warming highly uncertain and also often wildly exaggerated, but that even many of the experts who stand behind alarming claims made regarding the latter disputed any feasible links to Hurricane Sandy.
    You can read the whole article here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/11/07/job-candidate-tells-bloomberg-to-take-this-job-and-over-global-warming-cover/

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  34. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Greg, the intent and background meaning was as plain as the expanding nose on Paul Ryan face. “Those 47% are not worth nothing to me, or to you {his Big Donors}.” I’d say he blew his 47¢ and got it thrown back in his face, by the 47%. There was no spin there. Why the heck should anything he says to private donors be any different than what he says to the general 47% public? Anyone who was ever lied to by his “job creating” boss could read that one a mile away, and voted accordingly.

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  35. Ken Jones Avatar
    Ken Jones

    Congrats on winning the race to the bottom. How does it look from down there?” -Ryan Mount
    Well Ryan my contention is the Republicans basically live in the gutter. From the birth certificate issue, to the Muslim claims, to the Bill Struck moronic claims of President Obama passing well over 900 executive orders, much less the verbal diarrhea that is Fox News and conservative talk radio. And let us not forget Mr. Trump. Republicans have almost cornered the market at the bottom, and then went further south from that point. Not that the Democrats are anywhere close to saints. They have a good grasp of the gutter as well. However when the GOP became associated with stupid social issues and of course Romney’s class welfare remarks concerning the 47%, the GOP couldn’t pull out of the bottom. Mitt is morally flexible. That pisses off the far right and provides worthy ammo to the left. Just where can the GOP go but up since they have allowed the party to fall into such a mess. Regardless an Obama Presidency is better for the nation than a Romney Presidency. Just what level of “better” will soon be discovered.

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  36. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    BTW, what sort of Gregorian math are you using for your statement?
    “Ryan, it’s a shock to see you get it so right. It would also probably surprise most Obama supporters that there are more latino Republicans in the Congress than Democratic ones.”
    I seem to recall the term, “Lying Weasel” being bandied about some time back, does it apply here? If not, please explain how so.

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  37. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Obama mania media and the constant support they gave him was a large factor. But the O victory is 2.3% or 3 million voters. The change of only 1.7 % and all is reversed. So I would say don’t be counting the R;s out yet.
    No Mandate but gridlock. That is fine with me.

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  38. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Fortunately those who populate this blog will not be formulating policy…they are the fringe of the fringe…the policy makers in the Republican Party will be crunching the numbers and coming to the same conclusion the election strategists in the Obama campaign did….the America of the 1980’s is over and it is the 21st Century.

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  39. Russ Steele Avatar
    Russ Steele

    Steven@04:50
    One of the advantages of supporting Congressional House candidate is an opportunity to meet with them and their staff and obtain some critical email addresses that bypass the usual gatekeepers. That allows one to send key papers, studies and informed opinions directly to the staffs of those Representatives. They have the options of giving the information to directly to the House member with a staff summary, and to pass it to other staff members of the House who have similar interests. As you know one of my issue is global warming and I keep my House of Representative Staffs fully informed. I fully intent to continue my contact with those staff members of Congressman that have changed districts.
    They have the options of ignoring my input, but then again if it is important to the issue of the day, I may have some influence.

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  40. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    So I guess you really won;t be pulling a John Galt!
    When your Congressman’s policy is just as stuck in the 1980’s (or the 1880’s should I say) as yours is, I hope you keep reaching out with vigor to those who agree with you. It is the best possible use of your time I could imagine.
    Seriously though, if you are going to pull a Galt, can I suggest Mongolia? 😉

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  41. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Virtually any of the mainstream Republicans Romney pushed into the mud in the primaries would have been immune to the trashing Romney got, and I doubt if Obama had lost by a percent Frisch would be agonizing over how to revamp the Democratic Party over That lost percent.

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  42. Paul Emery Avatar

    Todd
    And what happened in the Senate?

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  43. JesusBetterman Avatar

    I’m sure, Russ, that Feinstein Boxer will pay close attention to which circular filing cabinet they use for all your input. And so that leaves Doug LaMalfa, and you seemed to have prepped him pretty well already:
    “I believe climate change happens every three months,” LaMalfa said. “We’re experiencing one right now. It’s called autumn.”
    He said temperatures have not changed in the past 15 years and records from 100 years ago are questionable.
    The portion of man’s output of carbon dioxide is “minuscule,” compared to that produced by nature, LaMalfa said.
    “To change our lifestyle to deal with,” new climate change rules such as AB 32 (Global Warming Solutions Act of 2006) is crazy, LaMalfa said. ”
    http://www.orovillemr.com/ci_21859948/lamalfa-reed-spar-over-economy-climate-change-at?source=most_viewed

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  44. Russ Steele Avatar
    Russ Steele

    JB@06:41PM
    I get nice form letters from Feinstein and Boxer that have nothing to do with the my e-mails. They must be hiring F students to run the mail room. I stopped sending them, it was a big waste of time. On the other hand there are more open and receptive minds who are not yet part of the AGW Carbon Cult.

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    Michael Anderson

    Greg:
    “Let’s be honest; Romney/Ryan would have won had the media been covering the Obama/Rice lies (and I use the term precisely, knowingly repeating a falsehood for personal gain) about Benghazi, or if there hadn’t been a storm with perfect timing hitting a soft spot really hard; Obama’s NJ photo op cost him an hour and very possibly enabled a second term.”
    Bull crap. Chicago-style hardball politics and an excellent ground game came up the winner. Obama and team took a bad situation and won The Big One. Kinda like the Giants. Winning is the only thing that matters in American politics and the World Series. Talking about Benghazi is kinda like talking about that damn bunt that never went foul. It’s basically whining. Sad.
    Todd:
    “No Mandate but gridlock. That is fine with me.”
    I see you’ve finally come out of your hidey-hole. How’s that hair shirt feelin’? I seem to remember some pretty constant diatribes about Romney/Ryan winning by 7 points over the past few months from you. Earl had Karl’s picture eating crow, but I wondered why you were left out? Here’s something to help with the helpings: http://www.crowbusters.com/recipes.htm

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  46. Gregory Avatar

    MAnderson, the Sandy moment took the air out of the Romney tires for several days, and, “While 54 percent of voters said Mr. Obama’s response to Superstorm Sandy had little to no impact on their vote, 42 percent say it was a factor in their vote” CBS News
    Then we have Chris Matthews who said “I’m so glad we had that storm last week … No, politically I should say. Not in terms of hurting people. The storm brought in possibilities for good politics.”
    It was a 1% win. No mandate, a bare majority. If anything, the Republicans in the House have more of a mandate.

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  47. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Gridlock works for me just fine PaulE. The status quo is maintained. You and MichaelA can take your hair shirts home and wrap them in tin foil. What a hoot!

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  48. Gregory Avatar

    Regarding the Giants, going 4-0 in a World Series is a blowout. An incumbent President winning by a lower percentage than their first contest, barely squeaking by, is more like winning a series 4-3 with extra innings in all the games.
    No mandate. It will be interesting.

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  49. JesusBetterman Avatar

    A President winning despite a House of Teaper Creatures doing everything possible to make him look bad, is a President winning against the Stupids of the present day idiocracy. Hey Greg, where’s your list of more Republican Latino’s than Dems? Did you lie by accident? Trusted source gone sour? explain your situation, and don’t think I’ll forget and stop asking.

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  50. Paul Emery Avatar

    And Gregory, what about the Senate?

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