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George Rebane

9/11 was a horrific day in American history, when we were attacked by Islamic religious zealots who willingly sacrificed themselves in the service of their jihad against western civilization and its “Great Satan”, the United States.

On_911A similar surprise attack occurred on 7 December 1941 when Imperial Japan decided to disable America so that it could proceed with the establishment of its ‘Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere’ then in progress.  But Japan had no intent to destroy or conquer the United States.

Could you imagine someone in 1942 calling for 7 December to be “a day of charitable service and doing good deeds” in remembrance of “a day that will live in infamy”?  Well the moral and functional equivalent of such an enterprise, called the 9/11 Day Movement, was launched in 2002.  I ran into their half-page ad in today’s WSJ asking “What Will You Do This 9/11?”.

There is no end to the responses they have received from people.  Responses wholly in the vein of “I will let my family know I love them”, “I will volunteer at a child’s school”, “I will plant a tree”, “I will donate my winter coat to help the homeless”, … .  These are not the responses of people who understand what is going on in the world.  These also are not the responses of people who are willing to stand up for anything they believe in – and perhaps it’s that they believe in nothing that is worth defending.

On their website the 9/11 Day Movement invites us to join and leave our own message of what we will do.  My own response is –

I will remind everyone I can that there are hundreds of millions of Muslims in the world who believe that the main impediment to a better life for themselves and their loved ones is the existence of the United States as the exemplar of western civilization.  Also that there are thousands of them who have already sacrificed themselves in service of their faith, and untold thousands more who stand ready to sacrifice themselves in the destruction of America, its values, and its way of life.  And that their demonstrated weapons are terror and colonization.  9/11 is a day of remembrance that evil exists, that it can be identified, and that it is active against each one of us individually.

[12sep12 update]  Our Old Glory is flying at half staff for a second day in honor and memory of the murder of Christopher Stevens, our ambassador to Lybia, and three other Americans on his staff.  This latest of anti-American and anti-western atrocities, committed on sovereign US territory, is a continuing display of Islam’s tolerance for our way of life.  For sure we can expect the usual effete and apologetic voices among us to blame the recent filmakers for insulting their prophet.  But exercising the First Amendment is our prerogative, no matter how egregious it may appear to others.  In America we don’t respond with fire and brimstone, and raze a local mosque every time an insult is delivered against Christianity or Judaism by Muslims.  If we did, there would be little left of America’s Islamic community.

But their ragheads can gratuitously machinegun an entire busload of Christian tourists, and our response here is to ‘regret’ the incident, hold a memorial service, and plant a tree.  These primitives do not respect anything other than our strength and its ready use.  When they see it withheld, even in circumstances that violate and insult our own sense of justice, they know we are a weak and declining civilization, one that does not respect itself, is worthy of humiliation, and invites more forceful attack.

I reprise further thoughts on this first expressed in ‘Of Ragheads and Racism’ as most appropriate at this time.

[12sep12 more update]  A correspondent sent this link to RadicalIslam.org to a piece entitled ‘Bay Area Imam Nabbed With Hezbollah Cell in Mexico’.  As reported here for years, taqiyah is in full swing and most likely operational at a mosque near you.  Its success depends on the density of kafir progressives that serve as Islam’s apologist shield in America.  I am still waiting for reciprocal peaceful demonstrations against the Libya killings announced by our ‘moderate Muslims’ to mirror those of the Egyptian Coptic Christians protesting the anti-Islam film.  Perhaps they have asked the crickets to put out the word.

And to abet my point about the hundreds of millions of anti-American Muslims, Stratfor reports today on the level of widespread hatred of America that “New Islamist governments in North Africa must balance religious credentials with unpopular relationships with the West.”  A more naive person at this point would wonder why the lamestream has not picked up on these two 9/11 reports.

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114 responses to “Remembering 11 September 2001 (more updated 12sep12)”

  1. TomKenworth Avatar

    I might agree on a couple of million, but not hundreds of millions, and I’ll bet there are a couple of million folks in the USA that would just as soon deport/excommunicate all 8 million American Muslims, just because…

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  2. TomKenworth Avatar

    A few photos, more to come, of the Constitution Day Parade: http://www.flickr.com/photos/keachie/collections/72157631493200158/

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  3. George Rebane Avatar

    TomK 511pm – Doug, I take that to be some kind of equivalency statement which I and at least half of this country would reject outright. Polls of worldwide Islam continually show that more than 1 out of 4 Muslims believe what I stated. The worldwide Islamic population is currently estimated to be between 1.7 and 2.1 billion – you do the math.
    To put a bow on it, today’s reports from Cairo and Benghazi underline the widespread hatred of the US, and how we solicit it by the lame responses that are correctly taken to be apologies by our local embassy and consulate for the violation of our sovereign territory. We note that the White House has been silent on the matters that occurred on our day of remembrance of Muslim terror.
    I would bet the ranch that there are at least a couple of million Muslims who would jump at the chance to go to Allah if they could take a few of us down in the process.

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  4. Paul Emery Avatar

    Why do you think that is George? Is there any possibility that 400 years of Europeon and American Imperialism and Colonialism on their land and to their people might at least in some way contribute to the situation you describe?

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  5. billy T Avatar

    Thank you George Rebane for articulating the words I do not have. 9/11. The day nearly 3,000 people lost their lives in a horrible inferno. People from 90 different countries perished that day. Most all of them civilians.
    How could this happen? Who would target civilians? Who would attack office buildings as well as a direct hit on the Pentagon. This was not to end a war. This was to start a war.
    The reason this could happen is the enemy was encouraged and authorized to do so by jihad. Not to take land or assets, but to kill as many American men women and children as possible. It is the enemy’s scared duty to kill us infidels Americans. The more the merrier.
    9/11. The day that awoke us out of a sleepy daze. Same as Dec 7. 1941 awoke a sleeping nation on a similar beautiful morn.
    9/11. The day our blessed home was attacked. The day America was attacked. The day thousands were murdered.
    Many have been born since 9/11, but the jihad continues. Children may not even know the significance and some adults let it wane from their minds. Lest we forget. I will always be grateful for Canada and our NATO Allies for patrolling our skies to keep us safe from murderous attacks following 9/11.
    9/11 is a day that transcends politics and one’s station in life. It transcends one’s background. It was the day that America was attacked and civilians were targeted.
    Some strive to find some sick moral equivalence to justify their twisted thinking. Some apologize. We are all Americans. We are peanut butter and jelly, 24/7, no matter what some buffoon spouts. http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/principal-sees-racism-in-peanut-butter.html

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  6. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Paul Emery. What do you call the 600 years of Ottoman rule over the Balkans and Greece. Was that Imperialism? Colonization? Throw in Bulgaria and then south to Somalia and you have a what? An Empire? Were the Turks Ismalists? How about the Islamics that invaded India. Were they called Moguls? Were they Islamists? Just curious.

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  7. George Rebane Avatar

    ToddJ 829pm – And being kind, you left out the 1,200 year invasion and rule of the Judea, Samaria, Byzantium, Syria, Persia, and the Levantine. Oh what the hell, throw in all of north Africa and Spain. The global caliphate has been a long time coming. “Accept Allah, or die!” has echoed over the earth for almost 1,500 years, and it still does.

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  8. Paul Emery Avatar

    I asked about if 400 years of colonialism and imperialism IN SOME WAY contributed to the current situation. Yes or no. Pretty simple
    I grant you your historical observations of the Ottoman empire. My heritage is Greek. Gee what a concept, people hacking each other up for territorial expansion and religious obsession. We can go bsck all the way to the Crusades if you like.

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  9. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 923pm – The question is itself a “pretty simple” one – of course YES. But if you meant it in any way to contribute to 9/11’s justification, or parity, or symmetry in the historical conduct of both civilizations, then your question is impertinent.
    Islam, by its very founding dogma, scriptural dictates, primitive social behavior, armed conquests, and confirming declarations has shown itself to be the perennial enemy of western civilization.

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  10. billy T Avatar

    Here is a commercial that ran one time only after 9/11.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3eQmzw6n3k&feature=youtu.be

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  11. Ryan Mount Avatar

    It’s a cultural and economic war of attrition: Jihad vs. McWorld. Who do you think will win? My counter-intuitive bet is on the expanding waste lines, despite the other side’s religious dedication to the dominion of the Caliphate. People eventually get tired of loudmouth demagogues, but never tried of food being handed to them at a drive thru window.
    We should probably carpet-bomb them with double cheeseburgers. Undoubtedly there’s bound to be more counter attacks by people who “want it there way,” so we’re not going to be able to please everyone.
    Certainly, at this point, “leaving them alone” is not going to be enough, even if we don’t lob cheeseburgers at them. Our mere presence is enough to warrant action, even if it’s just a means to rally their dumb populations into that war-time feeling. It’s always better [easier] to to blame someone else for your shortcomings.
    Then they’re gonna get all filled with the spirit of hegemony. Think of it as empire without cheeseburgers. So insofar as they have a taste for war, and not ketchup, we’re gonna have to deal with them in unpleasant ways when they threaten our drive thrus.

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  12. Ryan Mount Avatar

    stupid Internets. [Note the skillful way of blaming something else. It’s really a product of 5:30am undercaffeination.]
    “want it their* way,”
    I beg your pardon. Better to ask permission, than beg forgiveness.

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  13. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    PaulE, thanks for the confirmation that Islam is an expansionist and empire building religion/government entity. My question was in response to your trying to claim those poor Muslims were only “paying back” we in the west for that “colonial” hegemony. Why is it you can claim some people who think Muslims and their anti west agenda are OK and the West holding them off is not? Libyan wunderkinds killed our Ambassador and others in our Embassy yesterday. Golly, maybe that is their payback for President Jefferson defeating the Barbary pirates. Your PC protection of these killers is palpable.
    The “Arab Spring” is a ruse and the true intent of Muslim killers is right in front of us. They could care less about your liberals PC protection of them but they do thank you all for the help anyway.

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  14. TomKenworth Avatar

    Since I am first up, let me be the first to say, “Fu*k Mohammed!”
    George, them and their precious version of “God” have gone too far.
    “We sacrificed dozens and hundreds during the uprising for our dignity. The Prophet’s dignity is more important to us and we are ready to sacrifice millions,” said mosque preacher Mohamed Abu Gabal who joined the protest.
    I’m not sure what to do with this psychopathic for some religion, at least as practiced by too many. I also say, “buy your friends Danish cookies and hams for Christmas, or just stick with the cookies, if they are Jewish. Killing someone just because they are an American, and most likely an American who opposed the supposed injuring the prophet video, is not unlike hating a President just because he is black, and inherited an economy on the rocks. We don’t have anyone in this country like that, now do we? Just ask the Secret Service.
    I hear they’ll be selling Korans by the cord this winter…

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  15. TomKenworth Avatar

    Hadn’t refreshed and caught the earlier posts by Todd and Ryan. A religion when practiced with no sense of humor is a very dangerous. I ever so much like the Snoopy cartoon wherein Snoopy discusses the perfect title for his book on religion, “Have you ever thought that you might be Wrong?”

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  16. Steven Frisch Avatar

    First and foremost it should be said that the actions of mobs on the street in Cairo and Benghazi are despicable acts of violence that can never, and should never be condoned. Free speech, even when stupid speech, is a core American value, and a value that we project around the world, not just hold for our own citizens.
    But lets also be clear, the actions of the Romney campaign overnight, and this morning, are unwarranted, unprofessional, and out of standing with standard operating practice regarding American foreign policy during a Presidential campaign.
    The statement made by the Cairo embassy was an attempt to moderate the crowds on the ground while they were defending their walls. The embassy made the statement fully knowledgable of the fact that the situation could spin out of control and trigger similar acts of violence across the region.
    Based solely on the knowledge of what was said at the embassy in Cairo, and without checking with the Obama administration, the Romney campaign made statements questioning American policy, and the specific actions then being taken on the ground, to protect American personnel.
    While they were making statements purely to try to gain political advantage, the administration was fully engaged in a new developing crises in Benghazi, which led to the deaths of 4 Americans; regrouping their forces to protect the consulate, clearing the street where the deaths occurred and protecting the remaining staff.
    For Mr. Romney to violate one of the cardinal (no pun) principles of American electoral politics, and jump into a developing foreign policy crises while it is occurring, and not coordinate that activity with the administration, is not only risky and misguided, it is an example of how knee jerk HIS foreign policy is likely to be.
    Foreign crises should lead to uniting on the domestic front, when it is in the moment. If one wants to attack foreign policy at the appropriate time, that is fair game—but not while the Marines are clearing the street and the families of the dead have not even beed notified yet.

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  17. Russ Steele Avatar

    Frisch @08:02
    Did you get this Democratic Talking Paper by e-mail or was it Faxed? I suspect cut and paste from and e-mail.

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  18. Steven Frisch Avatar

    Nonsense Russ, came by it all by myself. Since all of your talking points come from right wing blogs, science deniers, Koch funded think tanks, and fake newspapers, I can see why you would not be able to identify independent thought.
    But hey, if this was the other way around you would be saying exactly the same thing about a Democratic challenger. Face it. Romney jumped the gun…he should have waited, conferred, and come up with a response that pointed out how his leadership would be different while supporting the administrations immediate actions.
    As we are talking we are staging Marines to move into Benghazi to protect American personnel. Can you seriously say that if this was Kerry responding to Bush in September of 2004 that you would have said, “Hey, no problem”.
    By the way, breaking news, rioting continuing outside the embassy wall in Cairo right now….

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  19. George Rebane Avatar

    re StevenF 802am – This sentiment from the Left is expected (TomK’s 645am gratefully excepted). The main point made is not a sense of outrage against radical Islam, but instead a criticism of the fine points of US electoral politics. Romney is spot on criticizing Obama’s reaction. I am wondering why we haven’t heard about a flight of B-2s or F-117s taking out some significant Lybian (or Egyptian?) resource. Are we now avenging from behind as the next innovative part of Obama’s apologetic diplomacy?

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  20. Steven Frisch Avatar

    I guess starting a post with the statement “first and foremost” does not mean anything to you George, you insist on projecting your won twisted interpretation on what others say.
    By the way—who you gonna bomb? You have the names and addresses of the perpetrators? Or are you planning on bombing indiscriminately? Who? The government in Egypt or Libya?—seems like they have troops in the street helping us. A mosque? But which one—the closest one? the most radical one? A ‘significant Libyan or Egyptian resource’? Like what, the harbor in Benghazi? the Great Pyramid?
    In the USA we do not kill 10 civilians for every casualty we suffer. That’s what makes us different from the Nazi’s and the Stalinists.
    By the way, I thought you wanted us to refrain from using the term “rag head” because it might affect the delicate sensibilities of your Sikh friend? I guess sensitivity is relative?

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  21. George Rebane Avatar

    StevenF 904am – First and foremost we have condoned the ongoing wanton killings of the innocents by the ragheads, and as of this moment continue to condone these killings. Your lame statement itself is testimony to it.
    And asking me to nominate targets from a classified target list as your strong argument for inaction is beyond silly. Reagan nominated Kadafi’s bedroom; I wouldn’t have known to do something like that. Apparently neither does Obama.

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  22. TomKenworth Avatar

    Who would Jesus bomb might be appropriate here. How about instead offering cash dollars for the rockets stashed in far away places, or for information leading to locating them? Better yet, devise counterfeit rockets, get them into the international arms trade, track them via GPS, and blow them up in unexpected places via remote control?
    Love those SeaFoxes: http://gizmodo.com/5925833/the-strait-of-hormuz-will-keep-flowing-thanks-to-the-sea-fox

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  23. Steven Frisch Avatar

    Nice dissembling George–my ‘first and foremost’ preceded a condemnation of the acts, not a turn of a phrase—and asking you to define targets was an illustration of the fact that these actions were by individuals on the ground who are as yet unidentified. If it is your position that we should engage in retaliatory air strikes against indiscriminate targets I will merely point out that those acts would be the functional equivalent of interrogating your aunt with a bloody Nagant pistol on the table. Fortunately the foreign policy team we have in place has not sunk to the level you propose-acting like Nazis and Stalinists.

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  24. Gregory Avatar

    “But lets also be clear, the actions of the Romney campaign overnight, and this morning, are unwarranted, unprofessional, and out of standing with standard operating practice regarding American foreign policy during a Presidential campaign.” -Frisch
    Let me translate… Romney scored some points. Obama’s middle East policies are failing, and the Obama mystique isn’t playing well in Egypt or Libya.

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  25. Steven Frisch Avatar

    Let me translate–Romney’s poorly timed statement has raised the ire of main line Republican foreign policy experts.
    Go read the comments coming out on Politico, BuzzFeed, The Hill and Roll Call–main line Republicans almost to a person, condemning the attack and avoiding questioning the Presidents response until they know more and can coordinate with the administration policy. Romney did not score points, he undermined the President and his policy while in the middle of a crises.

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  26. George Rebane Avatar

    StevenF 935am – The President would not be striking at “indiscriminate targets”, nor would I advise him to do so. But a forceful and rapid strike against selected targets is called for by my lights, especially given the precision systems we have for such missions. And anyone else coming over the wall in Cairo should immediately receive the best that the Marines can deliver, while reinforcements are on the way. Egyptian police standing nearby and scratching their asses while our embassy is stormed does not cut it.
    I guess this kind of globally apparent vacillation is what Hillary was talking about in 2008.

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  27. THEMIKEYMCD Avatar

    I would have to see an ex-ray to believe that Obama has a spine. IMO, Romney did not say enough. Our PC culture makes us vulnerable. Paul E and I stand together in our belief that decades of nation building have done more to hurt the USA than help.
    I say bring our troops (ambassadors, aid, personnel) home and leave all small weapons there; they can kill themselves (a la South Central LA).
    Producing our own oil would solve much of this needless violence on Americans.

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  28. Steven Frisch Avatar

    I am with you that anyone coming over the wall and presenting a threat should be shot…..but I am watching pictures of Egyptian police fighting with demonstrators in the street this morning….and reading that Egyptian and Libyan security forces fought in the street against the demonstrators. It is easy to say they were scratching their asses, but you don’t really know do you? NO, YOU DON’T. And you don’t know who we should “hit”, and my guess is that the administration doesn’t yet either.
    So you are just venting. Blowing off steam. Just like Mitt, speaking out of school. I don’t think knee jerk reactions are a good basis for either military or foreign policy.
    I think Lee Marvin may have said it best, “I always thought you were cold and uncaring, But you are really quite emotional aren’t you?”

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  29. THEMIKEYMCD Avatar

    Q : What is it going to take to get us the hell out of the middle east?
    A : Voter outrage (thank you Ron Paul) about American Blood shed for OIL and drastically increased domestic OIL production.

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  30. Steven Frisch Avatar

    We may have found the one thing that MikeyMcD and I can almost agree on—with the exception of the alternative: we need to continue using oil and natural gas, but transition to renewable energy over a 30 year period.

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  31. Gregory Avatar

    Almost, Frisch. We need to continue to use oil, natural gas, other carbon based fuels and Nuclear energy until “renewable energy” is competitive on a cost basis.
    Forcing it before then is tantamount to taxing the poor and the middle classes for the audacity to drive to work or to stay warm in the winter.

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  32. George Rebane Avatar

    NPR and Fox News both reported that Egyptian police were standing by, watching the demonstrators go over the wall to get our flag. There were no reports on the reaction of the Lybian security forces.

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  33. Steven Frisch Avatar

    Hey Greg, I have never said we should be going cold turkey on energy. years ago on these blogs, I stated that it needed to be a gradual transition; that we needed to manage and wean ourselves; that we should be using federal and state funding to drive innovation; incentives to drive new technology; incentives to diversify our energy portfolio; and rebates to achieve specific objectives; but that the ultimate goal is for the marketplace to be able to sustain renewable energy at a lower cost than carbon based fuels. Never called for cold turkey or even a speedy transition–George, Russ and other have simply framed the issue that way.

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  34. Steven Frisch Avatar

    Funny George, I am widely reading the media on this as well, and numerous sources, including CNN, have identified local police and security forces in both countries engaged against demonstrators on the street.
    This just goes to exemplify my main point—action should be calculated and considered, based on information and some internal consultation–not knee jerk……

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  35. THEMIKEYMCD Avatar

    “renewable energy” is a fairytale.
    The logging industry was crushed by enviro-nuts, despite being a renewable.
    Drill here, drill now. Get the hell out of the middle east.

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  36. THEMIKEYMCD Avatar

    From twitter:
    Demetrius Minor ‏@dminor85 “Obama will be out to address the media on Egypt as soon as he is done serving coffee to President Clinton.”
    “Let’s visit memory lane: When Bush skipped NAACP convention, the press threw a tantrum. Obama skips his intelligence briefings. CRICKETS
    Joñ G. ‏@ExJon “If Romney wants to avoid press criticism he should stop giving press conferences and start shooting up embassies. ”
    Frank J. Fleming ‏@IMAO_ “Why don’t we all be quite about this Middle East stuff until Biden releases the definitive statement on it.”

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  37. Gregory Avatar

    Steven Frisch, your transition to renewables wouldn’t have to be forced by government edict were they near parity to the cost of even pre-fracking extraction technologies. Energy Sec’y Chu stated they needed to get better by a factor of six and that was before the gusher of proven domestic reserves.
    AB32 is part of the bankrupting of California, and your horribly misnamed Sierra Business Council is one of the rent-seekers helping to push it to the edge of the abyss. The threat of catastrophic anthropogenic climate change is the only real justification and that’s rapidly losing credibility.

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  38. Dixon Cruickshank Avatar

    Not sure what CNN is saying but apparently according to accurate sources the staff was moved to a second building thought to be safer. The Libyian Security detail then pointed out their new location, and if you think this has anything to do with some UTube video your dumber than I thought.
    By the way, being 9/11 any thoughtful President would have anticipated potenial problems in both those countries and had adaquate security. I know Bush would have and I presume Mitt would have, its not rockect science and couple bodyguards is woefully inadaquate – obviously. So you are disgusted and everyone is remorseful BFD that don’t get it.

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  39. Steven Frisch Avatar

    Greg, I don;t want to get sidetracked on this thread on energy policy—I only went there because you did. I was saying that MCD is right, we are in the middle east to protect oil production–and that would not be the case if we could satisfy our needs domestically, however we get there.

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  40. George Rebane Avatar

    Regarding StevenF’s comments and repartees on 9/11 and now energy – I for one am grateful that RR readers can see how an involved and activist liberal argues their positions. It is always better to get the first person version than to do a second person report/commentary on their sentiments. Sometimes you just can’t find the proper words to correctly characterize their position. And when you do, it often comes off as unbelievable.

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  41. Steven Frisch Avatar

    Yeah George…kind of like Dr. Stangelove….just letting you talk is the best defense against your ideas.

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  42. Gregory Avatar

    “Greg, I don;t want to get sidetracked on this thread on energy policy—I only went there because you did.”
    Absolute bs, Frisch. Your 10:48 “we need to continue using oil and natural gas, but transition to renewable energy over a 30 year period.” precedes any mention of the subject by me.

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  43. Gregory Avatar

    Let’s also be clear; a forced march over a 30 year period away from fossil fuels IS going cold turkey and will result in middle class Americans being cold in the winter, hot in the summer, and more of the poor in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd world suffering from malnutrition.

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  44. Christopher R Schofield Avatar

    http://imgur.com/a/tlCyI
    The actions of the few do not represent all Muslims. Just as the actions of fundamental Christians bombing abortion clinics and U.S. soldiers burning Qurans do not represent all Christians or Americans.

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  45. George Rebane Avatar

    ChristopherS 304pm – thank you for the images of Arabs gathering to support America and our fallen ambassador.
    Please be disabused that on these pages we are not talking about infrequent/rare occurrences, but a growing asymmetrical tsunami of cross-cultural hatred that has demonstrated its vitriol for centuries. And nobody here has made the “represent all” claim against Islam, but against a goodly fraction of them. Nevertheless, your presentation of those counter examples is duly noted.

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  46. Steven Frisch Avatar

    Greg My 10:48 was in response to McD–you then commented to me on it. And like I said, lets save this thread for talking about bombing people and we can use another thread to talk about using our resources up like selfish pigs and leaving nothing behind.

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  47. George Rebane Avatar

    Just finished watching some segments of “Innocence of Muslims”, the film in question, on YouTube. It is truly a pathetic example of filmcraft, and truly insulting to Islam (something similar Hollywood’s more polished productions on Christ that insult all Christians). In all its dimensions the production is of a quality put together in haste by some high school pranksters. YouTube reports its posted origin as being from a Sam Bacile.
    It is hard to believe that any group of intelligent Muslims would take such a piece of detritus seriously because of its extremely low quality and ease of online distribution. (YouTube has now blocked it in selected countries.) It is though easy to accept that already ‘cocked’ Islamic populations with a high fraction of America haters would use such a posting as a ready made excuse to publicly demonstrate their hatred, especially if they see a weakened Great Satan.
    Obama has now moved two naval vessels closer to Libya. Let’s hope he that his political senses tell him to act.

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  48. Gregory Avatar

    “we can use another thread to talk about using our resources up like selfish pigs and leaving nothing behind”
    We now have centuries of recoverable fossil fuel reserves, Steve. I think it’s up to the people you would have be poor to decide whether they are the pigs, or you and the other carbon rent-seekers are.
    It really isn’t a difficult concept; renewable energies are not currently ready for prime time. Relatively inexpensive fossil fuels have liberated mankind, and they will never be completely used up. If they actually get scarce they will rise in price and, assuming (and this is a good assumption) alternative PV and clean nuclear (fission and fusion) improved in price and performance, there will be a point where the transition happens from the natural market forces without rent-seekers pushing their Lemmings off the fiscal cliff.

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  49. Paul Emery Avatar

    Yes Mikey
    We agree on this for sure. I’m a strong supporter of Ron Paul on foreign policy.
    This is an exert from Why We Fight which was a harsh critique of our war in Iraq. Though we are not directly involved militarily in Libya or Egypt the essence of Jihad uses the entire middle east as a landscape.
    “The most important misjudgment regarding Iraq that must be dealt with is the charge that Muslim terrorists attack us out of envy for our freedoms, our prosperity, and our way of life. There is no evidence this is the case. On the contrary, those who have extensively researched this issue conclude that the #1 reason suicide terrorists attack anywhere in the world is because their land is occupied by a foreign military power. Pretending otherwise and constantly expanding our military presence in more Arab and Muslim countries as we have since 1990 has only increased the danger of more attacks on our soil, as well as in those countries that have allied themselves with us. If we deny this truth we do so at our own peril.”
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul274.html

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  50. George Rebane Avatar

    Well, according to the latest reports it turns out that Romney was spot on with the substance of his criticism. And to that I add that my report of Egyptian police sitting on their asses, and Libyan security forces colluding with the attackers is also correct.
    Obama’s WH seemed to go through multiple zigs and zags with their Libyan embassy on when which apology should be posted, concurred with, or withdrawn. The WH finally prevailed, and the apology which Romney criticized was withdrawn.
    On top of that it appears clear that the Libyan attack and Egyptian riot(s) were long planned to occur on 9/11 as revenge for killing an Al Qaeda leader. My surmising commentary on the use of the insulting video as a trigger is now making the airwaves with both left and right agreeing that it was used as an opportune asset abetted by the opportune apology issued by our Egyptian embassy.
    It clearly appears that Team Obama was and continues to be outflanked on their handling of this event. But then, what did we expect out of a socialist-in-training with a background in community organizing? The Muslim communities of north Africa and the mid-east are a bit harder to organize.

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