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George Rebane

A recurring theme on RR has been debating the fundamental asymmetry giving rise to the polarization between conservatives embracing liberty and free market capitalism, and liberals embracing big government socialism.  The Great Divide is one foci of the debate about how to resolve this asymmetry.  The nearby graphic communicates the essence of this resolution, and drives liberals into apoplexy as these pages have witnessed.  But it doesn’t have to end that way.  Just a thought.

Asymmetry
[Addendum]  Bob Crabb’s series of ‘Yes We Con’ essays on the Republican lovefest (aka convention) in Tampa highlights the polarizing truth of my little statement above.  Now before going further, Bob is a friend and a man whose work (both graphic and lexicographic) I admire.  While doing his best to cast a gimlet eye on both parties, according my compass, Bob still steers his ship of slate a bit left of center.

This assessment is apparent in his recounting of the recent damp days in Tampa.  There Bob’s reportage again percolates the notions that the conservatives and their Republican flag bearers are basically evil in thought and deed, and out to do the little guy in along every aspect of life – his job, his health, his education, …, and, here’s where it get a bit gritty, also his opportunity to better himself, his family, or his situation.

The Left, on the other hand, is just a bunch of good-hearted, ecologically sensitive, bureaucratic bunglers with deep souls who do their best to deliver social justice within a tough and rapacious environment ruled by rule-breaking capitalism.  But they are learning, and if we give them just one more chance, they will get it right and there will be happy dancing in the streets.

This then is the middle ground in which we are invited to gather for the great journey ‘forward’.  But it turns out that the so-called middle ground today is inhabited almost entirely by expatriates from the Left who have been shocked by the realities that their more devoutly radical brethren have delivered.  They recall being true believers themselves before they saw their dreams turn into dysfunction, and then decided to quietly emigrate to a land of no clear ideology.  There they would remain in that everlasting political calm, looking at both sides, and periodically clucking their tongues at what now from their new vantage appeares as the polarized extremes.

It turns out that the problem with these middle roaders is they ended their journey a little too soon – they never reached the middle, because it was hard to completely cast off those delightful, simple, and pure certitudes that first clarified a complex world to young minds.  Some of those wonderful tenets, or at least their echoes, must surely still hold – let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water and all that.  And so they came to homestead a patch of ideologically barren turf where they sit today and sarcastically judge the quick and the dead, and issue their plaintive calls for the rest of us to join them.

What these self-declared middle roaders fail to see is that they have neither old nor new solutions to attract, let alone bind, the collectivists and the classical liberals.  There is no there there. They stopped where the ground is still slippery and still slopes to the Left.

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81 responses to “The Big Asymmetry (Addended)”

  1. Ryan Mount Avatar

    Good Morning George.
    Do I have to pick Left, Right or Middle? Can I be all three and more? Not sure what more is, because I have trouble counting past 3.

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  2. George Rebane Avatar

    RyanM 1056am – And th’ rest of th’ day t’yeself me lad.
    I think that if you just throw out a few specific tenets of your ideology around here, you’ll have no shortage of people telling you where you belong. But “trouble counting past three” does start nudging one toward the turkeys currently in the White House 😉

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  3. Paul Emery Avatar

    Pretty simplistic vision George. Once again show me a successful “Conservative” nation in the last 100 years that fits your credo so we can take notes. Of course it takes both sides. It’s the push and pull dynamic that keeps either side from going over the edge.. I have to remind you that you support the expansion of the largest socialist government subsided program of all-the military. By the way, are you going to suggest to Rep candidate Doug La Malfa that we eliminate farm subsidies? Oh, that’s right, he receives them. Cash money from US taxpayers to support non competitive products.

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  4. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1139am – But then, I’m a pretty simple guy as these pages attest.
    Your demand to see a perfect exemplar of a conservative nation has been treated adequately in the Liberal Mind category. The only perfect exemplars that exist are of collectivist nations. Fortunately we do have a few imperfect examples of nations that have successfully embraced sufficient doses of liberty and capitalism to change the world for the better – I’ll start with America.
    My opinion of government subsidies – be it for farmers or corporations – is a matter of record on RR. And I have communicated these to Senator LaMalfa personally and extensively.
    Your calling the funding of our military as “the largest socialist government funded program of all” doubly underlines the ideological chasm and the simple truth of this post. A limited government, even of a free market capitalist nation, has certain seminal responsibilities, among the foremost of them is a publicly funded military that can defend the nation and implement its foreign policy.
    Apparently your progressive side blinds you to that public function required under all forms of governance. And your unique form of logic sees it as being an inconsistency endemic among conservatives. Perhaps you envision that a ‘true’ capitalistic country sought by conservatives would field corporate mercenary military units to which the government could contract out conflicts.

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  5. THEMIKEYMCD Avatar

    George, ‘your’ graphic cannot be refuted. Truth is truth.
    I have absolutely no idea what ‘the middle of the road’ means (I don’t believe that it exists).

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  6. George Rebane Avatar

    MikeyMcD 1223pm – Agreed, and that’s the meat of it. No one knows what that ‘middle’ means as a point to aim for in public policy. If the middle is what has come to pass in our public life and form of government, then it is nothing but a view from the rear mirror, useless for choosing and guiding us on a forward path.
    When we seek wisdom from a middle roader, all we get is a critique of the (usually misrepresented) extremes from their individual viewpoints. There is no accessible ideology there that can inform public policy. This aspect of political thought has been covered, most recently in
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2012/08/the-liberals-intellectually-baseless-ideology.html

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  7. Gregory Avatar

    You conservatives and Republicans should take solace from WSJ’s Taranto, who today writes,
    “The left has not moved beyond seeing Obama as a racial symbol, and that is for two reasons. First, his record as president doesn’t have much else to recommend it, so that crying racism is about the best they can do as an argument for re-election. Second, it is of great psychological importance to American left-liberals to believe that their opponents are racist and they themselves are not. Their self-image as a moral elite revolves around the imputation of invidious racial attitudes to others.
    Romney and the Republicans, however, have moved on. This was best exemplified by the nominee’s birth-certificate quip, which we wrote about on Monday. Birtherism, once mortifying to mainstream conservatives and Republicans, is now just a joke, although the left continues to take it very seriously.”

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  8. Ryan Mount Avatar

    I still want Jack Kemp to be President. He was a RINO, but in a good way. Not that I agreed with everything he did/wanted, I just thought he was good for the country. For example, he was one of the few politicians I can recall that had the guts to take on poverty in a meaningful way.
    I almost voted for Bob Dole because of him. I said “almost.”

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  9. billy T Avatar

    The magic of Sen. Robert Dole and his accomplishments as a minority member of the Senate was this: Bob came up with the ideas and reached across the aisle and gave the other guy all the credit. He put their names on his bill. His humility, quick wit (dry as it may be) and purpose makes him one of a kind in my book. Not taking credit is a hard thing for egomanics to do and Bob played off their egos as a craftsman.
    Another masterful thing Bob Dole did was bring in both sides of an issue into his office (one at a time) and heard each viewpoint. Whether it was a communications bill or the like, he invited businesses and foes alike and gave them a fair hearing before crafting legislation. He was not afraid of meeting with anyone. He never played us against them, rich vs poor, black vs gay vs brown vs Asian vs rich vs poor vs hawks vs doves.
    If only others could learn from Bob Dole’s ways.

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  10. Earl Crabb Avatar

    By gum, we should take this Crabb fellow out and beat him with an elephant’s tail until we he sees the light of the righteous right…Oh…that’s ME you’re talking about! In that case, give him/me the pulitzer, a lefty honor if ever there wuz one.
    Methinks you sometimes forget to take into consideration that my forked tongue is firmly implanted in my cheeky cheek. Perhaps you all should wait until I have likewise had the opportunity to scrutinize the coming convention of Donkeycrats.
    And by the way, thanks for the coffee last Tuesday, George. It was good to see your regressive self in the flesh again. (Jeff P. – Take note. Has RL been bought off by the right with a cup of java? Does he really work that cheap?)

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  11. Ryan Mount Avatar

    Bob Dole was no match for the might of the Clinton charm-hit-machine. Besides, Americans where well on their way to being fat and happy in 1996. It was the prelude to Pets.com. Why change?
    But back to Jack Kemp. It wasn’t his aggressive brand of supply-side econ that distinguishes his career, although invariably that’s what people think of him as ostensibly the force behind of Reaganomics. It’s that he outran the Democrats in what was the conventional wisdom of the time: that they (the Democrats) where the friend of the poor, down-trodden and the working man.
    The Democrats are still trying to figure out what happened.
    Jack Kemp relentlessly focused on individual aspiration and more importantly hope with action, not rhetoric like Douche bag Romney. Even Paul Ryan, who worked for Kemp is a turncoat. He was truly concerned about the plight of the average and under privileged American. And said and demonstrated so often. He believed in teaching a man to fish; not given him a fish.

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  12. billy T Avatar

    Crabbie! I was just contemplating this morning the fun you will be having next week down in North Carolina. I am certain your Satan’s Pitchfork will be rubbing and poking some of the Purlpe People Eaters the wrong way. You may work for a song, but you are not cheap. Quit playing hard to get.

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  13. George Rebane Avatar

    EarlC 142pm – Bob, I thought it went without saying that we are all with baited breath waiting for your next week’s essays on the Dems. It will be your obligatory shot into their shorts. But, as this post and discussion bears, we most of all await your or any other middle roader’s exposition of their oh so elusive ideology.

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  14. Ryan Mount Avatar

    There is no “middle,” because the Left/Right proposition is a false construction. If this were an exercise in classical logic, this would be a fallacy of false choice. Psychologists would say this is a “splitting” personality. So maybe I’m agreeing with Mike; the middle fence-sitters are just procrastinating.
    I found this the other day, and I was surprised by its author:
    “You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. Up to man’s age-old dream — the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order — or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. Regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would sacrifice freedom for security have embarked on this downward path. Plutarch warned, “The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits.” ~Ronald Reagan, 1964

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  15. George Rebane Avatar

    RyanM 314pm – President Reagan’s homily is an astute political distinction without a difference. The world has learned to label the two most common ideological bookends as Left and Right (of course the real world is more complex, see for example
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2010/11/the-latest-volley-from-the-local-left.html ), and they are conformal to Down and Up respectively.
    In my field it is easy to characterize (model) precisely those two ideological dimensions, and represent them (i.e. behaviors, reactions, policy) with a number of technical toolsets whose confirmation is also an easy task since it involves measuring the predictive power of each of the representational tools.
    In my lifetime these tools have performed beyond all expectations, and if anything, have become more powerful as the nation has become more polarized. Ryan, if you insist, we will map your future Up/Down comments into the appropriate Right/Left, and leave our beloved Gipper to repose in his eternal and well-earned tranquility.

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  16. THEMIKEYMCD Avatar

    Ryan, I am interested to hear your basis for calling Mitt a “D-bag” 1:48pm. Recall that I’m a Ron Paul supporter so you can be honest :).

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  17. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    So there you go again. To find an example that’s suits you you have to go back to the good old days of Manifest Destiny or colonialism that created wealth through plunder and invasion so we can’t actually compare and contrast, to use a junior high essay methodology.
    LaMalfa and Ryan certainly don’t show much conviction when it comes to their records when it comes to conservative values. They both take advantage of government giveaways for their personal and political ambitions. Romney? Who knows. If Reagan was the Gipper Romney is the flipper with no consistent belief in anything except what it takes to be elected. That’s why I have such respect for Ron Paul. Even though I don’t agree with him on many issues I have respect for his convictions which he does not compromise for political gain.

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  18. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 614pm – I’ll stand with my 1211pm. Meanwhile, you can refresh yourself on when the US created how much wealth, and how much of it came through “plunder and invasion”. The progressives’ hate for America is endless and growing.
    BTW, Doug LaMalfa resigned today from the CA legislature so as to clear the way for his successor, save the district about $4M, a focus attention on his campaign for Congress.

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  19. Ryan Mount Avatar

    Mikey-
    Easy. I do not believe, not trust that he will control the government’s teenager-like behavior, nor do I believe for one second that he will broaden our liberties. And, I believe that he will continue the practice of dismembering children overseas with hellfire strikes.
    Ron Paul walked out for a reason.
    My d-bag comments have nothing to do with Romney earnings. I really don’t care as long as he didn’t break the law. Romney already paid income taxes on his investment income, and then, had to pay the ~15% cap gains. As I’ve pointed out elsewhere, we voted for this tax system, and now we’re looking for the evil behind the wizard’s curtain. Low and behold, it’s us pulling the levers.
    I was interested in Ryan (not me in the third person, although that’s flattering), but his Congressional voting record reads like a drunken teenager, so it seems doubtful he can make the “moral case for capitalism” as he promised despite his miraculous conversion after the Republican House take-over.

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  20. Steven Frisch Avatar

    Funny, I know more than a few good, “real Americans”, who were labor union members, Democrats, and liberals, who fought for this country, were wounded for this country, and sacrificed for this country. Members of my own family lost their lives fighting fascism, or were wounded or served in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. I think they would be disgusted with the idea that a fellow veteran says they could not exist without conservatives fighting for them. They’ve proved that they are quite capable of and willing to fight for their country all by themselves.

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  21. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    You are always taking credit for others accomplishments SteveF. Nothing to see here, move along now.

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  22. Steven Frisch Avatar

    It is not only conservatives who fought, bled and died for America, and to say so is un-patriotic. I am proud of all of THEIR service and achievement, especially the millions who would have rejected having labels like liberal and conservative applied to them. Seems like some veterans don’t remember what they heck they served for. They didn’t serve as pay back for some childhood grudge…they served to protect the freedom of ALL Americans.

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  23. TomKenworth Avatar

    This so clearly explains why the Red States take more from the Feds than the blue states (including California), in terms of taxes paid vs money received from the Feds.

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  24. TomKenworth Avatar

    Todd, I know Obi Wan Kenobi, and you’re no Kenobi.

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  25. George Rebane Avatar

    re StevenF 1024am – From this comment it is clear that quite a few progressives have trouble distinguishing between people of all political flavors having fought in the county’s wars, and the mood/sense of the liberal aggregate when it comes to supporting a strong military to defend America and put teeth in its foreign policy.
    And then there are others who think that the states’ voter pluralities are an indication of how their wealth creators vote(d).

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  26. Steven Frisch Avatar

    I don’t think its me that having trouble distinguishing between the contributions of all Americans; you are the one who posted the picture. And who says liberals don’t support a strong military–I think you equate the size of a budget with the strength of the result–a philosophy you would eschew in any other area of government.

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  27. George Rebane Avatar

    SevenF 1203pm – Well stated counter Steve. Rephrased, you are saying that knowing whether a person is liberal or conservative has no predictive power on the likelihood that the person also supports a strong US military. That is a belief that has little historical support, and most certainly no current support as witnessed, say, by the protestation of our SecDef almost all senior flag staff.
    And attempting to start the fine points argument that the “size of the budget” has no correlation to “the strength of the result” is a debate I am incapable of with people who have no idea about the realities of DoD procurement and systems development cycles.
    Except perhaps for the liberals hidden in these sylvan foothills, the rest of world knows the aggregate propensities of the conservatives vs liberals toward strong militaries and their uses.

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  28. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Barbara Lee must be SteveF’s hero. But when a person like SF says liberals are just as Patriotic about the country and its military, I must give that a hearty belly laugh (and my belly is hearty). I recall Obama was guilted into wearing the flag pin in the 08 election. Hmmm.

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  29. Paul Emery Avatar

    So George. my contention is that military contractors profit from war and instability which they indeed promote it for their own goldenness. In the case of the Iraq war we will continue to pay for their successful marketing of the need for war by adding trillions to the national debt. Not a peep from either side about Afghanistan by the way in this election cycle. As long as war is profitable it will continue. There are no free bullets. Giving Golden Cow status to military spending is a monumental flaw in what you propose and it is quite the opposite of Conservative values at least when it comes to small government and fiscal responsibility.

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  30. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 303pm – I guess it all depends on how you trade off the growing costs of egregious transfer payments versus a world that will invite multiple regional hegemons to rise and then battle it out – e.g. Turkey, Iran, Russia, China, EU, not to mention the unfettered strife invited in south Asia, Africa, and Latin America.
    But if your worldview is a simple one where nothing is as connected as I have sought to show on these pages, then we just smile, drink the kool-aid, and wait for it.
    In short, how do you assess the stabilizing influence of a militarily strong US, and what will our ability to continue those transfer payments when the global economy along with ours falls on its ass?

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  31. Steven Frisch Avatar

    PAX USA
    How is that PAX USA working out since 1972?
    Vietnam
    Cambodia
    Laos
    The Mayaguez Incident
    Lebanon
    Zaire
    Iran
    El Salvador
    LIbya
    Lebanon again
    Lebanon again
    Grenada
    Honduras
    Chad
    LIbya
    Guatemala
    LIbya again
    Iran again
    Honduras again
    The Philipines
    Panama
    Liberia
    Iraq
    Zaire again
    Sierra Leon
    Bosnia
    Herzegovina
    Serbia
    Iraq again
    Somalia
    Bosnia again
    Serbia again
    Macedonia
    Haiti
    Central African Republic
    Iraq again
    Afghanistan
    East Timor
    Serbia again
    Nigeria
    Yemen
    Afghanistan
    Yemen again
    Afghanistan again (still there)
    Iraq (still there)
    The Philipines again
    Haiti again
    Pakistan
    Somalia again
    Libya again
    Somalia again
    Uganda
    PAX USA

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  32. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Putting down wars is not an easy task. The planet would be a cinder if not for our brave country. Frisch, you are a disgrace to the flag.

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  33. THEMIKEYMCD Avatar

    Ryan, thank you for indulging my curiosity. You have articulated your opinion well and more importantly your opinion holds merit. Do we write-in Ron Paul or my ‘go-to’ Mr. Mad Hatter?
    Posted by: Ryan Mount | 01 September 2012 at 08:10 AM

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  34. Paul Emery Avatar

    Interesting to watch Mark Meckler tonight supporting Obama’s military cuts which brings it back to 2007 levels. he said the cuts were no big deal and manageable. This was on Stossel which also had a major piece on the tacky way Ron Paul was treated this week.
    George
    Where does the Constitution justify our involvement in the above countries?

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  35. George Rebane Avatar

    StevenF 449pm – Given WW1, WW2, Korea, and that the world has for the last fifty years had over five countries each with weapons that could destroy all civilizaton on earth, you have cited chickenshit. For all of us that PAX has been working out real good since 1972. What’s your next question?
    PaulE 653pm – The Constitution doesn’t say much for all those police actions, even though I do wish that Presidents would ask Congress to declare war more often. However, given what could come loose, please see my answer to SteveF. Also as I have cited before, George Friedman of Statfor has an excellent essay on how these relatively small dust-ups fit into America’s overall strategy and Pax Americana.

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  36. Paul Emery Avatar

    “wish the President would ask to declare war more often”… I thought that was required under the Constitution. You are very loosy goosy with the Constitution when it involves something you believe in.

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  37. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    Todd Juvinall | 01 September 2012 at 05:38 PM
    “Frisch, you are a disgrace to the flag.”
    George, Would that disqualify someone it they said that about you?
    Ron Paul would ask the same question about our military adventures. Todd, is he a “disgrace to the flag”?

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  38. Steven Frisch Avatar

    Hey George, I was not saying I disagreed with all of these engagements–I was merely responding to Todd description of it as PAX USA. I don’t know what world we live in that we would consider 4 major conflicts and and about 20 minor ones PAX USA. With respect, I think all your’all’s definitions are little skewed.
    If we are serious about cutting the deficit a big chunk has to come from the military. I am on record here in the past saying we could cut 300 billion by switching to a more modern, flexible, rapid deployment stye force, with reserves, and gear up for major conflicts (with declarations) over time.
    But then you started this by basically saying I don’t know shift, even though my family members who are relatively high up in military intelligence agree with me.

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  39. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 745pm – well hell Paul, it’s tough to decide when it’s a war, especially when all you want to do is give ’em only a small kick in the ass. We’ve problems with that kind of statesmanship since Jefferson was in office. Almost every President had a little diplomacy that needed a bit of stiffening, or another Indian tribe that required some women and children killed, or Mexican bandits that needed to be chased way back deep into their county. You can’t go around declaring war every time for stuff like that. And then every once in a while suddenly things get a little out of hand and escalate a bit beyond wrist slapping, and everyone starts talking about the Constitution.
    I mean, you sound like I started this whole thing. What should I do instead, carry a sign, write my congressman? I take the easy way out, I argue with you.

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  40. George Rebane Avatar

    Administrivia – it is irritating when comments are delayed by TypePad as their servers get busy. Sorry for the skipped responses.
    I think we’re getting off from the topic, and most certainly from the side thread on the impact on our foreign policy and world peace if the US military take the hit from sequestration that SecDef and the Joint Chiefs tell us. All I can say here is that my experience as a defense contractor and consultant to DoD corroborates those assessments. Not sure what more any of us here can add to that debate.
    However, we can debate until the proverbial cows come home on what a world with a weak US will look like, and whether any of our other domestic priorities would be met in such a world. That is unknown territory in a post-WW2/cold war environment.

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  41. billy T Avatar

    Some agree with Mr. Frisch, But, Tutu ain’t looking too good these days. http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20120902/EU.Britain.Blair/

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  42. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Not to belabor the faux pax of the Frisch etal but one thing they overlook about declaring war every time there is a need to keep the peace. If a normal declaration is made, the government could then call for martial law, the denial of habeus corpus and a suspension of due process on AMERICANS! So PaulE, is that what you want to happen when LBJ went into Santa Domingo? Or Reagan went into Grenada?
    PAX USA has kept the planet from blowing up and it is too bad there are some who can’t even fathom the reasons. Perhaps a intense read of Roman History after they completed their PAX would help the ignorant regarding policy.

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  43. Steven Frisch Avatar

    Congressional declarations spell out what actions are authorized as part of the war. And overturning the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which limits federal powers of martial law and the use of federal troops against US citizens, would require a separate act of Congress. Suspension of habeous corpus would require that be included in the Declaration. The Constitution expressly forbids the suspension of habeous corpus except in extreme cases. “The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it.”
    So let me see if I have this right Todd. You say you are a constitutional originalist, yet you are saying we should not require a declaration for the US to go to war, which was ensconced in the Constitution. And your rational for such a position is that we can’t trust our government enough not to deny us civil law and the right to be present for trial, but we can trust them enough to go to war without Congressional oversight?
    Pretty confused, irrational, muddled, paranoid case if you ask me.

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  44. Steven Frisch Avatar

    And I think you are mixing your colloquial Latin and French. You put the faux in the pax.

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  45. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    SteveF, One thing though about your previous comment above is you make my case for me. I know you did not intend that so thanks.
    I have seen the clips of FDR announcing a state of war now exists with the empire of Japan, what a day later of the attack? Please give us the link to the document you say exists from the Congressional Declaration that spells out what you say is required. It seems to me something was suspended when the government placed the Japanese Americans into concentration camps. What is the source of that document and where is it? You seem to be the self appointed “smartest bear here” so do what you do and cut and paste some facts supporting your positins.

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  46. George Rebane Avatar

    StevenF 809am – good points and questions Steve. While I’m not answering for Todd, I would like to throw in my two cents.
    Yes, I would trust my government to enter foreign armed engagements more than trusting them with the implementation of ‘civil’ laws at home in times of declared emergencies. I base my trust on the steady erosion of our civil liberties in the last 40+ years, and the historical reactions of our government during WW1&2 when hundreds of thousands of US citizens were incarcerated for having the wrong ethnicity/race. The abrogation of our civil liberties did not stop there as a deeper delving will reveal.
    In the 20th century governments were the greatest killers of their own citizens in non-military related ‘civil’ and administrative actions. As our Founders cautioned us, governments are not to be trusted, even our own. That is my rationale.

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  47. Steven Frisch Avatar

    George, I agree that a basic premise of American government and individual liberty is that government is not to be trusted, but that is in part what we instituted a system of checks and balances to address, and allowing the government to engage in war without a declaration is actually eliminating one of the checks that the legislative branch uses to reduce risk of tyranny from the executive branch.
    I think what I am reacting to here is the contention is that we trust our government to project our power globally, but not to use it wisely at home. If our government is so screwed up that you think they are intentionally planning to steal our liberty, are hoarding ammunition to use against our people, are arming all our civilian agencies, and planning a post-modern police state–then you should not trust them to engage in an undeclared war in Iran. You can’t really have it both ways.

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  48. Steven Frisch Avatar

    Dear Todd—here is the text of the US Declaration of war against Japan.
    http://customers.hbci.com/~tgort/japan.htm
    The text of every other declaration is listed in Wikipedia if you want to look at them. If you want to check the veracity you can go to the source material. Of course I could check the source material in my extensive library, where I happen to know the texts of the Declarations against Japan, Germany, Italy, Spain, and Mexico reside in the collection
    By the way, I am wondering why you find people using research to answer questions so challenging?

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  49. billy T Avatar

    You’ll don’t have to be a blueblood hillbilly redneck flag waving beer bellied Neanderthal with a gun rack in the window of the ole American made pickemup truck to agree with the old bumper sticker “I love my country but I fear my government”. That is something we have in common.

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