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George Rebane

*** Readers know my position on our country’s teachers’ unions.  They are the documented scourge to education and America’s youth.  Now two more examples of these rotten organizations are making headlines in selected news media (forget the lamestream).  In Louisiana the state’s second largest teachers’ union is suing the state for a new law that allows parents to use vouchers to send their children to functioning schools.  Vowing to use ‘whatever means necessary’, the unions would rather see kids in perennially failing schools than having them being taught to read, write, and reckon by non-union teachers (more here).

In New York ‘Teachers Unions Go to Bat for Sexual Predators’ writes Campbell Brown.  As long as the teachers faithfully pay their union dues, they enjoy a wink-wink and nod from the unions even if they explicitly solicit oral sex from their female students.  It goes down from there.  And yet the unions’ acolytes unabashedly argue (even on these pages) the absolute necessity for such organizations that have now destroyed two, going on three, generations of education for America’s young people.

*** I am a longtime witness to my Christian faith being whitewashed out of American culture.  Unfortunately, my brethren in the comfort Christian community have no such worries or apprehensions.  As long as their local social club pays its non-specific obeisances to the Lord, and does a modicum of good work in the community, then all is well.  Theological pursuits are frowned upon as being a potential death knell to their dominant kumbayah philosophical underpinnings.  Even more excluded are any considerations of the worldwide assault on Christianity.

Ben Cohen and Keith Roderick in the 30jul12 WSJ point out that over 100 million Christians worldwide live in extreme persecution by their ruling regimes and neighbors of other faiths.  As Sharansky championed Soviet jewry and Mandela fought South African racism, so does Youcef Nadarkhani champion persecuted Christians from an Iranian jail cell where he is under a death sentence for apostasy.  Sharansky and Mandela received constant support from the lamestream and friendly NGOs until they prevailed.  Nadarkhani’s mission and plight are mentioned nowhere in the proceedings of the Vatican, national religious conferences, down to the Christian churches on the corner.

Today all faiths can be championed save Christianity.  It is clear why the lamestream ignores Nadarkhani.  But as their numbers understandably shrink, why do America’s Christians also turn their backs?

*** Finally, if you ever want to see what years of progressivism will do to a vibrant economy, well-educated workforce, and a productive society located in arguably the best geography available on God’s green earth, then look no further than our own California.  RR has sought to alert its readers to the tragedy that is raining down on the once Golden State.  The Left sees none of this, and keeps voting in politicians selected from a mind boggling cadre of the most ignorant and pernicious.

The tipping point among the state’s electorate was passed long ago.  Today California is in the bag for all collectivist causes, and guaranteed to stay there by voters making up more than one third of the nation’s population on the dole.  These people are undereducated beyond belief, and vote strictly on the basis of race or who promises them the biggest ice cream cone.

A more comprehensive description of the state’s downfall and status is given by Victor Davis Hanson in his 29jul12 piece ‘California: The Road Warrior is Here’.  This is what awaits any population that accepts the precepts of socialism, and uses them to fashion public policies that punish individual effort and liberty.  It is a must read for all who are still in doubt as to what has happened here in the last decades.  (H/T to Russ Steele for beating me to this essay on his blog.)

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85 responses to “Ruminations – 30jul12”

  1. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    BenE, I simply asked you to point out the word “separate” in the Constitution and you do your usual bombardment of words. I don’t seem to see an answer to my question in all the above yapping.

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  2. Ben Emery Avatar

    Todd,
    You asked me the usual bs question and I took your question and expanded on it. I showed you multiple places where the separation of church and state are found.

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  3. billy T Avatar

    Ben, I cannot speak for Mr. Juvinall but I think he is asking to find the phrase “separation of church and state” in the Constitution. You probably cannot because it came from an opinion in the early 1800’s. Government cannot mess with churches or establish a national church such as The Church of England. Religion can and should enter politics if the religious choose to while government is barred from entering religion. The separation is a not a wall between the two as such. Rather, is it a prohibition on government to breach the wall.

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  4. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 819pm – I understood your 352pm to clearly imply that regular RR readers are unstudied in the Protestant Reformation, which you further seem to link to a teaching that “Faith and spirituality should be a personal experience not dictated by a central church.”
    Neither Calvin nor Luther (nor their follow-ons) taught that. Each had a version of Christianity whose tenets, sacraments, and liturgies were different from Catholicism. And each prescribed a new “central church” that would dictate these religious aspects; all adherents were admonished to strictly contain their faith and personal spiritual experiences to such dictates – or else.
    (PS This was first drilled into me in three consecutive years of Lutheran confirmation classes. Later historical readings confirmed that Martin and John were even stricter that taught to 20th century youngsters in their prescriptions for their new teachings of the true faith.)
    And Ben, your 928pm touching concerns about the US mistreatment of Muslims are as ludicrous as they are asymmetrical.

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  5. George Rebane Avatar

    billyT 1029pm – Well and clearly stated.

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  6. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    BenE, why would you claim the word “separation” of church and state is in the Law of the land, the Constitution, when it clearly is not? Why is that BS?

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  7. Ben Emery Avatar

    Todd,
    There are many ways of stating separation but you seem to think there is only one way and word, which makes it bs.

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  8. Ben Emery Avatar

    Billy T,
    Having it written in the Constitution that no official religion can be established is saying the US will not have a theocratic government.
    Article Six Section Three states there shall be no religious test to hold public office,
    In the International Treaty of Tripoli- that is the law of the land. The President of the United States, signatory of the Declaration of Independence, participant of the Continental Congress and Constitutional Convention, and one of the most influential minds behind the forming of the US John Adams wrote
    “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion”
    All of which tells a vast majority of Americans from the founding of the United States of America until today that there is a separation of church and state.

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  9. George Rebane Avatar

    Re BenE’s 1034am claim – there is no evidence that “a vast majority of Americans” share any notion of what “a separation of church and state” actually means in an operational sense. However, there is a considerable amount of longitudinal evidence (google NCES) that a vast majority of Americans are innumerate with deficits in being able to reason logically. Your current example withstands.

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  10. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    BenE, why would you keep dissing the First Amendment? It says the nation will not have a state religion but also will not interfere with my right to practice mine. Pretty simple even for a conservative to understand.
    Are you a atheist? Is that the reason you keep trying to rewrite the First? I do not want a theocracy but I think the values of people practicing Christianity are important in our governance.
    Regarding the Oath (I took it more than once ). I certainly do not want a religious oath but I certainly like to see good ethics and values in my officials. Atheists and secular people more often than not are crappy officials without ethics. Christians have some failures but their beliefs reflect a higher standard that atheists and secularists cannot and do not practice.
    So, BenE, you are simply incorrect in your opinion on the word “separation” and you know it. Admit it and move on.

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  11. billy T Avatar

    Dr. Rebane, 10:37pm. Many of us are well schooled in Church History, well beyond Calvin and Wesley and Luther. Whenever religious traditions and doctrines replace the Spirit, there is always a movement breaking out to bust down the barriers between man and his Creator. Pre-revolution American Colonies had their revivals that attrached tens of thousands standing for hours in a square. That was before speaker systems. Most archives and historical records are not found in paperbacks on the dime store racks. The volumes of published material on this subject would fill the Pentagon if one would care to seek. My particular interest is the thousands of mayrters throughout history, from Stephen to those whose names are not recorded to present day. Think it was Welsey who releazied one day that no one insulted or assualted him in a couple of days. He fell to his knees and prayed for forgiveness because he was doing something wrong not being perecueted. Just at that moment a stone hit him in the head and he was relieved to know he was on the right track. If you are on the right path, Christ promised you will be hated and worse. It was one of his promises. Walk into a Sierra College classroom and casually say you believe in Christ and you will hear the giggles and group banishment instantly. The very mention the “G” word to many is like fingernails on the chalkboard and not suitable for polite company. All neat and carefully packaged philsophy goes out the window when faced with a crushing guggernault. They say all drowning men pray to God. I am never surprised when a normally mellow and gentle person suddenly gets a flash of anger in their eyes when the topic surfaces. Name one private university or hospital or orphanage in our Nation’s beginnings that was founded by atheists or God haters or deniers.
    Even Stephen Hawkin is depressed to consider that his life’s work may be in vain as he redoubles his efforts. I recognized that so many have been damaged by religious people they have met or found some Churches so dry they are a fire hazzard. Yet, they use that or the Crusades or Tammy Baker as an excuse to neatly avoid the gnawning questions and with excuses in hand, they engage in wholesale condemnation of the millions of Americans that have found something in their lives that works. To each his own.

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  12. Ben Emery Avatar

    George,
    Once again worldviews come into play. When mentioning Protestant Reformation I am referring to the social, cultural, and political aspects not the religious dogma.
    The lesson I learned was about oppression of those who deviated from the powers that be. Those in power liked that the world was explained to the illiterate through eyes of the head of the church. The printing press and becoming literate was an act of aggression towards the Catholic Church and its power. The other lesson learned is no matter the religion of the theocracy they all seem to be very oppressive to minority faiths.
    What is ludicrous of thousands of Muslims being rounded up without due process and a US House Committee having a hearing named and about “”Radicalization of Muslim Americans”?

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  13. Ben Emery Avatar

    Todd,
    What are you talking about? There is a separation between government and religion in our nation and I am very thankful that the separation exists. We have seen what happens when the two merge and it isn’t anything we want embrace. No I am not an atheist.

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  14. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Should we hold our breathe waiting for BenE to give us his lengthy defense of Christianity and Christians being persecuted?
    Atheists crack me up. I guess a persons defense of Muslims while claiming atheistic beliefs just confuses the heck out of me.

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  15. Ben Emery Avatar

    Todd,
    I wrote “It is written in our founding documents that religion and government shall be separate” I have shown in a number of comments where this exists but you seem to fixated on the word separation. It is just a word, we are talking about the meaning of the word.

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  16. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    I almost forgot, HI John Stoos! How the heck are you and the flock? Let Bill Cardoza and George know we still run Nevada County! Regarding the purple blog. He boots everyone on the middle or right and turned totally extreme left. Delusional too.

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  17. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    BenE, you produced nothing in the Constitution or the DOI to back up your assertion. You found a letter with a interpretation which no one considers a “founding” document. You are just flogging a dead horse man. Give it up, say UNCLE and move on.

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  18. Ben Emery Avatar

    Todd,
    Your apparent inability to comprehend a relatively easy concept is very interesting. I’ve said this before and will say it again- If you are really what you portray on the blogosphere I find it scary that you were a public official.

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  19. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Golly BenE, you liberal atheists just can’t stay away from personal attacks when you lose the argument. You apparently are unable to admit it when you are wrong but thank goodness all others who comment here can read your folly. Declaring a personal letter from Jefferson to a church as a “founding document” says all we need to know about your noggin.
    Regarding my service in the county. I received many more votes from the people of te county in my District One victory than you did in a Congressional run and in my defeat for Assessor. Anyway, it appears the people f the County you seem to diss regularly, had enough of the left and even reelected me. I am certainly proud of my service. Too bad you were never elected to enjoy that feeling.

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  20. Ben Emery Avatar

    Todd,
    “Here are some examples in official documents and letters from Thomas Jefferson on the subject.”
    There is a distinction in my comment between the official documents the letter. I guess when you critical thinking skills are that of a Toddler, pun intended, you cannot differentiate between the two.
    About running for office. This dialogue has proven that the point and purpose of my running for office is way to complex for you to understand. My team vs your team mentality needs to change. You can keep being a cheerleader for the republican party and I will keep trying to realize the founders dream.

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  21. THEMIKEYMCD Avatar

    Ben, do you believe that the Founders would have accepted a mandatory SS program confiscating 15.3% of every dollar an ‘individual’ earns? AND a law FORCING employers to act as the tax collector?
    http://www.ssa.gov/oact/progdata/taxRates.html

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  22. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 1119am – Your concern about the treatment of Muslims and the reasonable basis for the cases you cite was answered with the formalities presented in ‘The Continuing Conundrum of Conditional Contingencies’.
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2012/07/the-liberal-mind-the-continuing-conundrum-of-conditional-contingencies.html
    Its limited accessibility gives further evidence to why we talk past each other – recall, all social issues derive their importance from the numbers which underpin them. Without that understanding the rest is emotions mostly misplaced.
    Re church and state – you, ToddJ, and BillT may are certainly talking past each other. The discussion involves four entities – church, government, private individuals, ‘government people’ (elected and unelected). BillT’s 1029pm laid out some of the permitted and prohibited ‘influences’ between these four agencies.
    A complete graph of these influences would make clear your various understandings of ‘separation’. Hint: it hangs on what only the people may do and tell their government to do, and what the government (as an institution) CANNOT tell the people and/or the churches to do – it is highly asymmetrical.

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  23. Ben Emery Avatar

    Mickey,
    I don’t think the founders could even begin to imagine what the world would look like in the 1930’s. Remember when the US Constitution was written there were less than a billion known people on the planet. The wild west would be anything west of Pennsylvania and New York.
    As for the social program I think and in fact I know they would support social programs because they had their own.

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  24. Ben Emery Avatar

    George,
    There are many levels to every discussion but we seem to be limited to the surface because nuance doesn’t do well on blogs.
    The point that there is a distinct desire for religious freedom in our nation is the discussion and for there to be religious freedom there cannot be an official religion of our government. I wonder what would happen if someone actually brought forward a US Constitutional Amendment declaring the US as a Christian nation?

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  25. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 245pm – If your ‘limitation’ implies the Muslim topic, then please understand that the ‘Continuing Conundrum …’ piece addresses the seminal, not “surface” aspects of the issue. We and all critters have evolved to instinctively favor the Bayesian view of our environments. The ones who didn’t, they now rest with the dear departed. The nuances of the issue involve the subjective utilities peculiar to individuals and ideologies that must be maximized over the illustrated Bayesian probabilities. Blogs support deep discussions of such important and decisive factors.
    Re your Christian constitutional amendment – I would oppose it for the same reasons that the Founders would have. Our republican government doesn’t get to tell the people what they can or cannot do with their religious beliefs. That was the original idea, but the progressives have now made it clear that government can prescribe the practice of faiths.

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  26. Ben Emery Avatar

    George,
    I was addressing the separation of religion and state.
    As for the Muslim fear mongering I will post something a bit later.

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  27. TomKenworth Avatar

    Back in the 1940’s, what percentage of homes had a language other than English as the dominant language spoken in the home?
    How many different languages were spoken by those folks then?
    How does that compare with today?
    Who promised all these folks the moon, and then failed to come up with the cash to actually take the time to teach them all English?
    How many lawsuits were brought against districts for discipline in the classroom, as contrasted to today, when even an individual teacher is being sued for giving a student a “C+?”
    Unions negotiate salaries for teachers. Outstanding teachers, even the very most outstanding teachers, have never been paid more than their respective principals, and never make over $120,000 base salary. Contrast that with lawyers and MBA’s, especially those with good connections in wealthy families, instant clients to put yourself in the Millionaire’s Club. Good plumbers can make more per year in effective take home pay. We had a janitor who worked the system in SFUSD and held down two jobs and overtime and nailed over $110,000 per year for a number of years. I knew him well, had no clue, except take he was often found sleeping in his office, and was quite obsequious, perfect camouflage!

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  28. THEMIKEYMCD Avatar

    ***waiting for citation*****
    “… I know they would support [FORCED] social programs because they had their own”

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  29. George Rebane Avatar

    TomK 424pm – Again, what is your point?

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  30. TomKenworth Avatar

    My point was a response to Gregory | 31 July 2012 at 09:38 PM. You didn’t bother to sk him what his point was.

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  31. George Rebane Avatar

    TomK 1200am – It’s hard to impossible to follow comment threads in a multi-threaded comment stream without including at least the time tag of the addressee. For that reason most people don’t. As a courtesy to the addressee and other readers, I also include the addressee’s name label in my responses.

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  32. billy T Avatar

    Why do I have to do clean up my room? Tell Johhny to pick up his room.. You are always picking on me.

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  33. billy T Avatar

    Think the colorful characters in Road Warrior were a lot more industrious and showed more intituative than our modern day California residents. http://open.salon.com/blog/kenn_jacobine/2012/05/17/the_welfare_state_has_destroyed_californias_economy

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  34. billy T Avatar

    This ruling shocked me. The “separation of church and state” may have new meaning. No longer church being defined as an organized association of people, but this ruling extends religion to the affairs of the conscious.http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/07/30/judge-order-on-obamacare-gives-faith-upper-hand/?intcmp=obnetwork

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  35. TomKenworth Avatar

    “Ben, do you believe that the Founders would have accepted a mandatory SS program confiscating 15.3% of every dollar an ‘individual’ earns? AND a law FORCING employers to act as the tax collector?”
    ~Posted by: THEMIKEYMCD | 01 August 2012 at 01:35 PM~
    ***** George, see how quick a nice copy gives exact details *****
    Your ignorance of Colonial History in the USA is amazing. Pray tell, how many colonists, as a percentage of the total population, do you think had employers?

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