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George Rebane

ObamaMarxismSince Obama opened his mouth during his 2008 candidacy, RR has maintained that the man is a Marxist.  There is little surprise in that conclusion when we consider his grandparents, parents, school years, Chicago brethren, his own words, and deeds as President.  But last Friday in Roanoke, VA he dispelled all residual doubt in a speech that laid it all out.

There Obama channeled one of his own fellow travelers and former administration officials, Elizabeth Warren, who is now running for the Senate in Massachusetts.  Communism’s Marxist basis admits no individual merit from individual enterprise.  All success in pre-collective social orders is suspect, and attributed to the successful having become so on the backs of the oppressed people.  The Marxists’ constant theme is that government, as the organizer of the collective, makes every success possible, as opposed to the vision, tolerance for risk, hard work, and entrepreneurial spirit of those who start and build businesses.

To the communist, businesses are rogue enterprises in society that must be absorbed into the collective as quickly as possible, and those that started and operated such businesses must be exposed for the pariahs they are and punished.  We can see it all coming together in what Obama is now getting ready to loosen on the nation during his second term.  From Obama’s speech last Friday –

There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. … If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.  (emphasis added, full text here, and a related comment below)

This is Lenin in the months before the Bolshevik revolution in 1918.  Both leaders maintain it is classes of people, marshaled by a correct government, that are the engines of wealth creation.  The enterprising individuals are the thieves and blood-suckers who claim the lion’s share of what they didn’t create and what never belonged to them.

WSJ’s Daniel Henninger recently wrote about Obama’s newly revealing economics –

There is no theory anywhere in non-Marxist economics that says growth’s primary engine is a social class. A middle class is the result of growth, not its cause. Barack Obama not only believes in class-based growth but has built his whole growth strategy around it. … One word appears nowhere in the 53-minute Obama speech on economic growth: “capital.” Human, financial, whatever. Capital dare not speak its name. … Most revealing is that the phrases “my plan” and “I have a plan” appear 13 times. A central role for planning often appears in emerging, underdeveloped economies, not in an advanced economy like ours in which the discovery and diffusion of productive new ideas is spontaneous, rapid and unpredictable.

In The Road to Serfdom nobelist F.A. Hayek wrote of where such central planning has taken us in the past, and where it will take us in the future.  (You can order an abridged version of this classic from the Heritage Foundation.)

But you may say that Obama is just one machine politician with no understanding of or experience in the private sector.  However, what gives this Marxist his power is the ‘dumbth’ that pervades the land.  Half of the electorate have no resources with which to critique his ideology, and see such statements as benign and possessing of a certain logic – the bitter fruits of a progressive public education.

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[Re The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.  Bullcrap!

The Internet was developed primarily through the work of multiple universities, private contractors, and government agencies here and overseas.  What we call the Internet first came together as the ARPANET that was developed with DARPA funding to set up a rapid communication network among scientists and engineers working in academe, government, and private industry.  The first ARPANET link was established between UCLA and Stanford Research Institute on 29 October 1969.  Government had neither clue nor intent to commercialize any of this technology.

The Internet was effectively commercialized with advent of the Worldwide Web (WWW) in the mid-1990s, again through the mostly happenstance multi-national development efforts of academe, government agencies, and private enterprises.  The WWW that we daily use resides on the Internet as a service based on such software innovations as hypertext protocols and the ubiquotous browser first developed at the University of Illinois.  The successful commercialization of the Internet has been brought about by private enterprise, and has happened because of governments’ absence, a ‘shortcoming’ which the Left has been trying to rectify ever since with various degrees of ‘success’.]

[Addendum] H/T to RR reader.

ReaganPoster

[23jul12 update]  Gordon Crovitz writing in 23jul12 WSJ has a more detailed report on the development of the Internet – ‘Who Really Invented the Internet?’.

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130 responses to “Obama is a self-declared Marxist – addended (23jul12 update)”

  1. George Rebane Avatar

    I believe it was Baron Rothschild who said, ‘Give me control of a country’s money, and I care not who makes its laws.’ Distributed control is best.

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  2. Ben Emery Avatar

    Greg,
    I don’t know much about LIBOR but am starting to get up to speed on it. That is why I solicited George’s opinion. Despite what you might think, I appreciate the banter that goes around on RR because it gives me a different angle to see the world through. That is one of the reasons why I like to ask questions. My instinct is to distrust banks and I think they have earned that distrust. Here are a couple links and excerpts
    http://www.npr.org/2012/07/18/156961358/the-new-republic-wheres-the-outrage-over-libor
    “A number of commentators have wondered why the rigging of LIBOR — the most widely used interest-rate in the world — hasn’t caused the uproar in this country that it’s provoked in Britain. The easy answer is that no U.S. bank has fessed up or been outed over its role in manipulating LIBOR, unlike in Britain, where Barclays has agreed to pay nearly half a billion dollars in fines and fired its top three executives.”
    http://www.npr.org/2012/07/18/156960934/the-nation-can-libor-force-u-s-banking-reform
    “The banks did this by “fixing” the LIBOR — the average interest rate at which banks say they lend to one another. The LIBOR forms the basis for lending rates charged in countries around the world, It effectively defines the cost of money. When the LIBOR is “fixed” via false submissions by crooked banks and the crooked bankers who run them, the global economy is suddenly operating not on facts and figures but on fantasies.
    Obviously, this is not just a British problem.”

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  3. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 329pm – Yes, this may well be an area of congruence if you also view central banks with suspicion. The functions of money are to store value, serve as a medium of exchange, and a unit of account. In your noodling on the matter, who or what agency(ies) should control the amount and forms of money in a sovereign nation-state?
    In my own puzzling on this question, I am most flummoxed by the notion of ‘store of value’. I keep asking ‘how long and at what level should a temporally limited event retain its value?’ In other words if I get paid for a lecture or playing the piano in a bar, the fiat money received will putatively retain its value ‘forever’ (or until the nation debases its currency or gets conquered).
    It’s the ‘forever’ part I have trouble with and invite other thoughts, since the value of my lecture or saloon playing quickly fades with time for both performances – particularly the latter 😉 – but their compensation does not. This is different from my building a house, or making a new gizmo, and selling it. The value of these too would fade, but over a much longer period.
    Somehow I’m sanguine about all this if I get paid in something that has intrinsic, albeit variable, worth – like gold. Thoughts?
    Re your 855am – Libor is a British index that, even when manipulated, has tracked market interest rates very closely. Money was made primarily in the correct anticipation of arbitrage opportunities when the telegraphed miniscule manipulations occurred. We should, of course, examine any equivalent hanky-panky going on here. There is no evidence of whether or how US banks have been involved in setting Libor. I stand by my 315pm above.

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  4. Gregory Avatar

    I’m shocked that there’s someone out there fudging the numbers to illegally make a buck. Not.
    Ben, when you catch the butcher putting his thumb on the scales, is your impulse to reform food distribution to get rid of all the butchers?

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  5. Ben Emery Avatar

    George,
    I think what you are raising is a profound question, especially if we move into banking/ real estate markets. To comment on the value of being paid for you lecture. First we must set the idea of what money/ currency really is and represents.
    Money only has value because we collectively agree it does, nothing more. Arbitrarily gold became the coveted commodity many centuries ago. Gold only has value because we say it has value. Why not coconut shells?
    I tried to answer the questions you posed about being paid with fiat money that sustains it value while the service/ product has diminished in value. I cannot do it without writing a very long comment, which I don’t have time to do.
    My issue with the banks/ real estate is they produced a false market knowing it would come crashing down at some point. A monetary fine will not and can not replace the devastated lives that resulted from their game. I truly believe it is the behavior of a sociopath, a person or entity that doesn’t and cannot identify themselves as part of society thus unable to sympathize with those who will be negatively affected by their behavior. Gaining on shorts or bad deals, he would be set for hundreds of lifetimes if he were just take the money and run but he won’t since he and many like him are addicted to making money at any cost. Here is a perfect example of what I am talking about
    http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/28/news/companies/paulson_hedge_fund/index.htm

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  6. Ben Emery Avatar

    Greg,
    The butchers thumb doesn’t result in our family losing our house and turning our lives upside down. I am not so much worried about a guy that has direct interaction with his customers but do have a problem with institutions who virtually have no direct interaction or accountability with the people they are negatively affecting. Big difference.

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  7. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 1129am – I’m not sure what, if anything, you have against Paulson’s behavior.
    Re putting solo blame on the banks; that charge won’t hold water since it was the federal government that promoted, fostered, and guaranteed the making of subprime loans as a matter of progressive social engineering that clearly backfired.
    Repeating Gregory’s 1048am, given government’s involvement, what would you reform to prevent this in the future?

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  8. THEMIKEYMCD Avatar

    We desperately need a free market. Set the rules (minimal and equal) and let self interest do the rest.
    Government planners have only succeeded in increasing the frequency and magnitude of market crashes/uncertainty/instances of corporatism run amok. @keithmccullough

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  9. Gregory Avatar

    “The butchers thumb doesn’t result in our family losing our house and turning our lives upside down.”
    Neither did the LIBOR fiddling.
    The crash happened because of Loans Gone Wild!, and the mass insanity of the subprime lending frenzy was initially pushed by the Clinton administration, with the usual suspects in congress like Barney Frank (D-Fannie) and Chris Dodd (D-Countrywide) moving the ball forward.
    It’s big government that drives central banks, big labor and big business. Focus on where the problem starts.

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  10. Ben Emery Avatar

    Paulson was shorting the very investments he was selling. Those investments were bundled with subprime loans he knew were going to go south. Subprime mortgages/ derivative market are products of deregulation in CFMA 2000. The two are separate but become linked after 2000, which then becomes a derivative market well over $500 trillion. We need to reinstate Glass Steagall and repeal both CFMA 2000 and Gramm Leach Bliley 1999. The governments role in all this is the fact they are owned by a small few companies in a the major industries and they legislation passed/ signed into law benefit big business while putting the risk on the people. It’s called privatizing the profits and socializing the loses. Here is a good quote
    “Capitalism will never fail because socialism will always be there to bail it out”
    Ralph Nader

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  11. Gregory Avatar

    Sorry, Ben, but Ralph Nader is unsafe at any creed.
    Free markets are self correcting, to really screw them up takes people who think they are smarter than everyone else, with power. Like Congress.

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  12. Ben Emery Avatar

    Greg,
    Wrong again. I will save my time and energy because we have very different views on this subject. I am glad someone is happy with the banks.

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  13. Gregory Avatar

    Ben, I’m not “happy with the banks”, just cognisant that your diagnoses miss the point and your prescriptions remain ill advised.

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  14. Michael Anderson Avatar

    Wow, the Ben and Greg show. Pretty fun.
    Trying to catch up, I’ve been away in a vortex of capitalistic self-opportunism. Please pardon my profit-taking.

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  15. Michael Anderson Avatar

    Greg wrote: “Todd, I think the basic idea is that since you’d just be banging the rocks together were it not for civilisation as a whole, he, as the leader of your civilisation, has a claim on anything you make if he needs it.”
    Weird that you would think this was wrong. But your “banging the rocks together” phraseology is telling.

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  16. Michael Anderson Avatar

    Greg wrote: “Ben, when you catch the butcher putting his thumb on the scales, is your impulse to reform food distribution to get rid of all the butchers?”
    Straw man…

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  17. Michael Anderson Avatar

    Russ wrote: “I disagree, there were other competing networks in the market place, it just turns our that TCP/IP protocol turned out to be more efficient. Apple had there own version Appletalk, and USENET was invented as a means for providing mail and file transfers using a communications standard known as UUCP.”
    Yes, I am aware of all that. But you are talking about Layers 2 – 5 and I am only talking about Layer 1 in the OSI model.

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  18. Michael Anderson Avatar

    George wrote: “It was the commercial sector that goaded the government to release Internet for broad civilian use, else the damn bureaucrats would still be sitting on it as an email and ftp communication network for defense related work.”
    Exactly. But wasn’t at least Layer 1 almost completely subsidized? And weren’t many of the other layers also infiltrated by gov’t subsidy to a lesser degree?

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  19. Michael Anderson Avatar

    Greg wrote: “Absolutely not, Mike. It has nothing to do with political thought at all. It’s the Robustness Principle of RFC 1122, and first published in Postel’s RFC 793 in ’81 but he may well have uttered it a little earlier. If you’ve not been in the protocol development and implementation world you might not ever really need to know it.”
    Yup, you are absolutely correct Greg. My bad. When I wrote that I was so immersed in the liberal vs. Classical Liberal arguments on this blog that my fingers did the thinking instead of my brain. My apology.
    I do love the RFCs. Therein lies the truth, at least as far as the Internet is concerned.

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  20. Ben Emery Avatar

    RR regulars,
    It is obvious you have spent the last three years trying to find a way to blame the financial crisis/ depression on Obama and not what the actual crisis is about. Please learn about 20 plus year creation of the savings/ loans crisis late 80’s, derivatives, housing bubble, low interest rates, Gramm Leach Bliley 1999 and CFMA 2000, credit default swaps, collateral debt obligations, and FDIC are connected in the financial petri dish called deregulated markets that caused the financial crisis of 2007/ 2008.

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  21. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    BenE, I realize none of us here have anywhere near your intelligence so please forgive us.

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  22. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 626pm – you continue to mistake every latest post or comment for the five year history of RR commentaries and comments. Here the 2007 real estate meltdown has been traced in meticulous detail from the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 to the present.
    We talk now of Obama’s role because he, through ignorance or plan, has done everything using public and economic policy to make the recession into a full blown depression. We all know that he came with a bucket of gasoline to a fire already burning, and promised to pour it on. And then he did pour it on with all the predictable effects of creating a conflagration that has no signs of ending. Next year, when he has “more flexibility”, he promises to redouble his efforts with a 55 gal drum of gasoline.
    That is the only reason why in fearful tones we talk a lot about Obama on RR. He’s the man who has promised to take us down, and has demonstrated his ability to do it – capice?

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  23. billy T Avatar

    Borrowed this piece: What I said,” our Prez now claims, is that “together we build roads and we build bridges.” Of course, if that were true, none of this would have made news in the first place. NEWS FLASH: Roads and bridges are built by government, not entrepreneurs. Government cannot create wealth. Government revenue comes from Americans’ toil and sweat, and recently, big IOUs to foreign countries with awful human rights violations and global ambitions. Taxpayers pay Obama’s $400,000 annual salary. Roads, the Internet, and everything that Obama says “somebody else made” were financed by American taxpayers, including businesses from sole proprietors mowing lawns to employees of medium-sized businesses to those on the Fortune 500 list. Sure, government adds value. Maintaining law and order, providing a military and securing “the Blessings of Liberty for ourselves and our Posterity,” to name a few. The Prez said a lot more in his Roanoke infamous speech. “Maybe you can take a little vacation with your family once in a while” Obama proposes, “nothing fancy, but just time to spend with those you love.” If you vote for him, he will be sure you can take a vacation once in a while. Not jet-setting to exotic locales at taxpayer expense, but “maybe see the country a little bit, maybe come down to Roanoke.”
    Obama has the idea of government completely wrong. “The basic bargain” that Obama claims as having “built this country” was no bargain.
    Obama is right in one respect though, “What’s at stake is a decision between two fundamentally different views about where we take the country right now.” No longer the post-racial healer, the unifier, the advocate of the underdog. Obama’s Roanoke remarks reveal that he is a card-carrying member of the jet-setting liberal class that wants to bargain with the American people to win their votes.
    Gayle Trotter is General Counsel of the Independent Women’s Forum.

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  24. Russ Steele Avatar

    Greg @ 11:37
    According to the TCP/IP guide the physical layers really does not apply specifically to the TCP/IP, but has the functions listed below.
    Note: The physical layer is also “special” in that it is the only layer that really does not apply specifically to TCP/IP. Even in studying TCP/IP, however, it is still important to understand its significance and role in relation to the other layers where TCP/IP protocols reside.
    Physical Layer Functions
    The following are the main responsibilities of the physical layer in the OSI Reference Model:
    • Definition of Hardware Specifications: The details of operation of cables, connectors, wireless radio transceivers, network interface cards and other hardware devices are generally a function of the physical layer (although also partially the data link layer; see below). 

    • Encoding and Signaling: The physical layer is responsible for various encoding and signaling functions that transform the data from bits that reside within a computer or other device into signals that can be sent over the network.

    • Data Transmission and Reception: After encoding the data appropriately, the physical layer actually transmits the data, and of course, receives it. Note that this applies equally to wired and wireless networks, even if there is no tangible cable in a wireless network! 

    • Topology and Physical Network Design: The physical layer is also considered the domain of many hardware-related network design issues, such as LAN and WAN topology.
    I am not an network engineer, so could you explain which of these function would not have come into being with out government subsides? We all agree, that DARPA Net was a great achievement, but that does not mean it was the only organizations, including Bell Labs, IBM others were not working on developing these layers as part of their R&D independent of DARPA? It was the IEEE that defined these standards through committee groups.
    Not a member of a committee, it was my understanding that companies funded committee participants, not government agencies. If my impression are wrong, please set me on the correct path to understanding.

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  25. Gregory Avatar

    “Greg wrote: “Ben, when you catch the butcher putting his thumb on the scales, is your impulse to reform food distribution to get rid of all the butchers?”
    Straw man.” MA 11:20
    Hardly. Ben, in response to the LIBOR fiddling, wrote “I think the banking industry might be one of the most nefarious industries on the planet.”
    What does MA think a rational person would want done to one of the “most nefarious industries on the planet”?

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  26. George Rebane Avatar

    RussS 747pm – and as I have recounted on these pages, it was the IEEE that was also in the process of defining the standards for broadband interactive TV in the early 1990s. There were several technology companies and cable services involved already in the late 1980s in creating the dominant standard which would have been either the one promoted by Sony and Microsoft, or by Philips and Sun Microsystems. One way or another, the web would have arrived without government involvement.

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  27. Gregory Avatar

    Russ, “Greg” made no post at 11:37, that was Michael Anderson. No, he doesn’t seem to have it straight but I can’t write every wrong 😉
    Personally, I first wore a button declaring “OSI- Ask Me Why!” that my employer thought would help sell our stuff, circa 1984. My arpanet address was good@acc (long gone, no stinking .com, .gov, .mil or .org), and I’m also old enough to remember bang paths.

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  28. Russ Steele Avatar

    My apology Gregory. The post was in response to Michael.

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  29. TomKenworth Avatar

    Well bake me a seven layer cake, but you all must have missed out on the joys of trying to make IBM’s Cluster Networking system for the PC Juniors go*. We had two different vendors, one for the IBM software, and one for the IBM hardware, thanks to our purchasing agent’s shrewd bargaining skills. Net result was basically no net, and no support. Each vendor blamed the inoperability on the others product, and refused to help. I finally figured out that if we crammed 256K into a machine it would just barely talk to another 256K equipped machine. The joys of being a computer science teacher in a public school in 1985. At least this was better than the mini computer for drill and practice, in use at the next school. Never less than 10 seconds between responses, often up to two minutes. Now Novell 3.11 and 4.11, those worked, and provided excellent control over student access and storage.
    * In my opinion, the likely source for the now common clusterfu*k term. Anybody else fluent with a Mag II IBM, or the 026 key punch machines.

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  30. THEMIKEYMCD Avatar

    Facts for the 99%ers out there (if there are any left):
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/48257611
    “the incomes of the bottom 20 percent grew by 3 percent…the incomes of the top one percent fell 18 times more than the incomes for the middle class at the start of the recession.”

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  31. TomKenworth Avatar

    “The incomes of the top one percent fell 18 times more than middle class, at the start of the recession.” Well I’ll take a rough guess that money went out of the country pronto when the storm flags were hoisted, so of course the apparent incomes dropped. Where does Romney have his cash?

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  32. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    In response to the “rich” the left has created “carbon credits” as the new worldwide currency. If it becomes the standard of exchange the “rich” will be unaffected and the “middle class” and the poor will be hosed. I bet the eco nuts living in the caves think they are immune from the gubmint coming into their cave and making them buy insulation. LOL!

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  33. George Rebane Avatar

    TomKenworth 1003pm – Investments of Americans do go out of the country when the government makes investments here iffy (e.g. the bond holders of GM got stiffed by Obama to buy union votes), but their income is still reported by those Americans and they have to pay (sometimes double) taxes on them.

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  34. Michael Anderson Avatar

    GG wrote 7/21/12 @ 7:53 pm: “What does MA think a rational person would want done to one of the ‘most nefarious industries on the planet?’”
    Ummm…regulate it?
    Your claim was that Ben wants to get rid of banks. That was the straw man you created.

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  35. Gregory Avatar

    “Ummm…regulate it?” 24 July 2012 at 10:07 AM
    Maybe we have different dictionaries…
    Nefarious- (of an action or activity) Wicked or criminal: “the nefarious activities of the organized-crime syndicates”.
    Synonyms:
    wicked – villainous – vile – infamous – mean – evil
    Origin of NEFARIOUS
    Latin nefarius, from nefas crime, from ne- not + fas right, divine law; perhaps akin to Greek themis law, tithenai to place
    So, Michael Anderson, do we regulate criminal acts, or do we try to stop them and put them in jail?

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  36. TomKenworth Avatar

    ” Investments of Americans do go out of the country when the government makes investments here iffy (e.g. the bond holders of GM got stiffed by Obama to buy union votes), but their income is still reported by those Americans and they have to pay (sometimes double) taxes on them.”
    If that were really the case, on all types of income, then why would anyone have concerns about Romney and the Swiss and Cayman accounts? Wouldn’t that make them laughingstocks? Hardly anything for a sitting President to use in his ads, yet there are many running as I type.

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  37. George Rebane Avatar

    TomKenworth 343pm – they would be laughing stocks if they were not the lies of the President of the United States. Is it not curious that you consider politically motivated “concerns” (supported by not one shred of evidence) to be proof of wrong doing? Perhaps it’s not curious at all, but only what we may expect from people with your beliefs.
    In any case, since you are convinced by Obama’s ads of Romney’s wrongdoing, tell us what MINIMUM outrage will come out of revelations of Romney’s overseas accounts.

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  38. TomKenworth Avatar

    George, it is not outrage, it is simply identifying very clearly that between a minor millionaire, Obama, and nearly a 1/4 billionaire, Romney, that the latter is just totally out of touch with the common man in America. Remember Bush the First and the price of a gallon of milk? 99% of America will remember Romney and the price of health care. Good luck, not to mention the gun issue. One more attack like that before the election, and Romney’s sidestepping of the question about he feels about assault rifles now on NBC this evening, and he is burnt toast. Even simple and straightforward solutions like turning in the spent shell casings from your first two boxes of ammo to buy a third, and and so on, to prevent rapid stockpiling, are being naysayed as usual, and some of us are beginning to feel that it is high time the NRA start paying for the medical expenses of the victims. Would you like to help a new father who lies in a coma? Sent your spare Cayman change to:
    Caleb Medley Benefit Fund
    Canon National Bank
    401 E. Main Street Unit A
    Florence, CO 81226
    (719) 784-5393

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  39. Michael Anderson Avatar

    Greg asked: “So, Michael Anderson, do we regulate criminal acts, or do we try to stop them and put them in jail?”
    That’s a subjective question, and of course the answer is that we allow the rule of law to decide which venue each act indicates.
    Are you asking your rhetorical question so we can engage in a reasonable dialogue, or are you just cloaking the brier patch so we can have another tar baby experience?

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  40. Ben Emery Avatar

    Greg,
    Law-
    * The system of rules that a particular country or community recognizes as regulating the actions of its members and may enforce by the…
    * An individual rule as part of such a system.
    Regulate-
    * Control or supervise (something, esp. a company or business activity) by means of rules and regulations.

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  41. TomKenworth Avatar

    BTW, another cool thing to do is to send money to this address,
    Caleb Medley Benefit Fund
    Canon National Bank
    401 E. Main Street Unit A
    Florence, CO 81226
    (719) 784-5393
    and send a copy of the check, account numbers blocked out, to BOTH Presidential candidates, explaining that since they had not taken a strong stance for a national review of the lack of adequate gun control legislation, money which you had earmarked for them is going directly to the victims.

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  42. Gregory Avatar

    “One more attack like that before the election, and Romney’s sidestepping of the question about he feels about assault rifles now on NBC this evening, and he is burnt toast.” Keachie’s sock, 10:18PM
    Yes, let no tragedy go to waste. Dip your hands in the blood for political gain.
    First, “assault rifle” is a real term; it’s a light, magazine fed machine gun. The Colorado shooter didn’t have one of those, which have been heavily regulated by Congress since the 1930’s, and not a single “assault rifle” (think AK47 or M16) has ever been sold to a civilian in California. If you have enough cash to buy one of the existing permits, and live in a state like Nevada that allows civilian ownership of machine guns, you too can apply for the federal permit, endure the clearance process (an FBI investigation similar to what a Secret security clearance requires), and then buy a used automatic weapon. Or you can just go into a tourist firing range in Reno or Vegas and rent one for 30 minutes.
    “Assault weapon” is a fiction created to confuse the issue. Feinstein complained that the Federal ban allowed manufacturers to make cosmetic changes to the guns and keep selling them, missing the point that the ban was based on cosmetic features to begin with: it still comes down to one pull of the trigger causing one cartridge to fire. Release trigger. It doesn’t fire six bullets any faster than a revolver does.
    In California, the ban continues with no discernible impact on crime rates.
    Exit question: name the state university which, in the aftermath of the Virginia Tech shootings, was debating whether an incoming freshmen or transfers should be allowed to demand their room mate not have a concealed carry permit and keep a gun in their shared room, and how many shootings have taken place on campus to date?

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  43. Gregory Avatar

    I see Ben and Mike are flogging dead horses again.
    Sorry, Ben, but if you are not talking about criminal behavior, “nefarious” is not the word you’re looking for. Criminal behavior is not something that is “regulated”.

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  44. Ben Emery Avatar

    Greg,
    Is a crime only criminal if someone is caught and prosecuted? Or is the actual behavior the crime? Example: If someone steals a car but doesn’t get caught, did they commit a crime? For the person whose car was stolen a crime was most definitely committed. I used the word that was desired and use it correctly. Thanks for the lesson teach.

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  45. Gregory Avatar

    “Is a crime only criminal if someone is caught and prosecuted? ”
    Only in Chicago.

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  46. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Twitter is down. Make purchase of firearms or ammo cash or check only transactions, avoids stockpiling by those who don’t plan on being around to pay for it all,
    Require turning in of spent shell casings to get a like amount, plus 50% more. Initial purchase may be only up to two boxes otherwise.
    BTW, another cool thing to do is to send money to this address,
    Caleb Medley Benefit Fund
    Canon National Bank
    401 E. Main Street Unit A
    Florence, CO 81226
    (719) 784-5393
    and send a copy of the check, account numbers blocked out, to BOTH Presidential candidates, explaining that since they had not taken a strong stance for a national review of the lack of adequate and effective gun control legislation and mental health, money which you had earmarked for them is going directly to the victims of the Aurora Massacre.
    If it kills 12 people and wounds 70 plus even after it has jammed, and a shotgun has to be used as backup, then BOTH can be considered “assault rifles (even with the non rifled bore). Technical term quibbles have no place in the hospitals of Denver and around the emergency rooms of the USA today.

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  47. Gregory Avatar

    “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more nor less.”
    “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
    -from Alice in Wonderland
    Assault rifle is a real thing.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle
    Assault weapon is a legal fiction.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon
    By the Humpty-Dumpty language standard, there are perhaps 250,000,000 assault rifles in the US already, and a 2nd Amendment that has been held to confer an individual right… How about we just make mass murder illegal?
    A follow up hint to the extra credit question: the state that allows students to carry concealed weapons on campus has had a shooting massacre, in a shopping mall that was a “gun free zone” similar to the Colorado theater, so law abiding CCW permitees had dutifully left their weapons behind.
    Does that mean CCW holders deter crime? Not really, but it does demonstrate laws that infringe on the rights of the law abiding to own and carry guns do not make us safer.

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  48. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    How about we figure out ways to solve the problem of stockpiling, and sneaking in through emergency exits and stop squabling about what to call what might good forbid kill your son or my daughters! Nothing I’ve suggested even calls for a ban on the dumb things. Are you so obsessed with your silly oneupsmanship games that you can’t see the forest for the trees?
    Other item, instant on, full house lighting (mixed blessing, might be a Godsend in an earthquake), possibly armored spots to blind the baddy.

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  49. Paul Emery Avatar

    It is apparent that psycho terrorists pose a greater threat to our safety than Islamic Jihads. Since every gun is sacred with this crowd what other means should be pursued to ease the threat of nut cases with automatic rifles?

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  50. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    To be true to the Constitution and the Second Amendment, how about we insist that all firearms, to be legal, must be of that vintage, or at least replicas? The Constitution may have been perfect back then. How many Founding Fathers would support hiding behind the Amendment with the resultant carnage’s we’ve seen? Next time you open your wallet and see Jefferson, Jackson, or Franklin, try telling them you are doing it (taking this stance, NRA recoomended) for the good of your country, and then listen to what they’d have to say. “YAI” which is the initials for the phrase, maybe you can do better than with L.W., they both suit you well.

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