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George Rebane

The situation in Europe is coming to a head, and Angela's got the whole world in her hand.  Now it’s definitely Spain’s and Italy’s turn in the barrel.  The remarkable news is that most likely there will be another €100B thrown at Spain’s banks intended to bail them out of bad sovereign debts that Spain’s government doesn’t have the money to repay.  But this money can serve no other purpose than to delay the inevitable; there is nothing Spain is doing to kick-start its economy and stop its descent.

From the prices of Spain’s government bonds today, the markets are saying that there is one chance in 23 that Spain will default within a year.  For Italy that likelihood is one out of 25 in the same period.  Tomorrow these odds will be less favorable.  What’s in your portfolio?  (Put in other numbers here.)

“It is not clear whether the expanded testing regimen boosted student learning.”  So opines a Reuters journalist reporting on the backlash to standardized testing that appears to be increasing across the country.  Parents of poorly scoring students are chanting that their “kids are not a test score”, and are demanding “more teaching and less testing.”   Apparently all these anti-testing factions – from teachers, unions, parents, … – are not concerned about assessing how their little darlins are doing in school as the test scores are heading south.  The journalist’s wonderment is probably shared by the multitudes who don’t know that learning and testing are necessarily independent efforts.  The clear conclusion is that the best way to address junior’s poor performance in reading and math, and all the subjects that require proficiency in reading and math, is to turn a blind eye to the matter by eliminating or dumbing down standardized tests.  (more here)

Many pundits are telling us that this or that faction will sit out the November election because their candidate is not exactly on the mark with certain facets of ideology or promises made.  Most of the discontents and vexed seem to be on the left side of the aisle.  I think they are flat wrong.

But no one who has been paying attention is going to sit out this election.  We are a nation too vehemently polarized to let others decide which of the two ‘evils’ facing us will prevail.  The only ones who won’t vote are the usual double dummies who don’t recognize the fork in the road and keep running into the road sign.  Unfortunately, too many of them are smug conservatives who tell you that it doesn’t really matter who wins, the whole thing is corrupt and rigged, they’re too busy working to pay taxes for those who don’t, …, or they just mumble ‘smurglemurf’ (for you of appropriate vintage, that’s how you pronounce the Lil’ Abner eternal jinx Joe Btsfplk’s name.)

[update]  Jo Ann forwarded a piece from Senator LaMalfa wherein he alerts us that the Democrats audacity to rape the taxpayer is going up another notch.  Gov Moonbeam has a bill in the state legislature that would penalize you 20% of any tax overpayment refund you would request that the Franchise Tax Board considers “excessive”.  Many of us overpay during the year so as not to incur and underpayment penalty when taxes are due.  Now the sumbich wants to dunn us for giving the state the use of our excess payment until refund time comes around.  I think these people know no shame.  Now they want you to pay them for restocking your wallet with your own money.  If you want to bitch and moan about this one – and you should – then here is some contact info.

Office of the Governor (voice mail): (916) 445–2841
Assembly Member Bob Blumenfield, Chair, Assembly Budget Committee (916) 319–2040
Senator Mark Leno, Chair, Senate Budget and Fiscal Review (916) 651–4003

[13jun12 update]  Now we hear that the total of unfunded pension liabilities across all jurisdictions in the country has exceeded $4,000,000,000,000 – yes, that four TRILLION dollars.  And no one has a clue on how to make good on those obligations.  The only solution still is to stiff the retired public service workers.  I hope everyone has pictures and videos of the celebrations that took place after the unions got the members of NASP (National Association of Scumbag Politicians) to authorize all those contracts.  That's about the most that they'll have to look at besides very tiny retirement checks in their mailboxes.

Mark Meckler of tea party fame reported today that people who track what the media – including the lamestream – cover, now tell us that it was only four days ago that NBC first reported on 'Fast and Furious', the months old gun walking fiasco that the Dept of Justice authorized along the Mexican border.  This aspect of liberal journalism at work goes a long way to explain why progressives have little clue on what's happening in the world, and respond in outrage to presentations of blatant and well-aged facts.  On RR we do what we can.

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100 responses to “Ruminations – 12jun12 (updated 13jun12)”

  1. Ryan Mount Avatar

    Oh goodness George. Not the standardized testing meme.
    Back when I was a doe-eyed post graduate, I had a mentor who had a different perspective on the pitfalls of standardized testing. Up in the Foothills above Mariposa, my aging mentor/author looked at me from across his redwood burl kitchen table while sipping some Lettuce/Carrot juice abomination and told me this:
    “Ryan, the problem with academic standardized testing in a Democracy such as ours, is that the consumers of testing [he meant, parents and administrators, not the students] will work to lower standards when the kids start to do poorly.”
    At the time, I heard only parts of this because I was dreaming of a Pepperoni Pizza in his off-the-grid vegan sanctuary.
    Anyhow IOW, the incentive for parents and administrators is to lower standards frankly to not look bad. Or as we say in the private sector, they’ll move the goal posts closer mid-game to score.
    His suggestion was to radically increase standards, if we must, or think outside the box with regards to assessment. He seemed to think the former was an impossibility.

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  2. George Rebane Avatar

    Back in Reagan’s day the dictum was ‘Trust but verify’. Now the public’s educators have shortened it to just ‘Trust us.’

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  3. Ryan Mount Avatar

    George, if our curriculum is indeed “Student-Centered,” then the fault is with the students and by extension, the parents who are supposed to have oversight of their kids.
    As a parent of school-aged children, I only trust myself. But I get that from my parents who were pain-in-the-ass advocates of school reform back in the Mt. Diablo Unified School District. They opened what we would now call a “Back to Basics” charter school in Concord, CA and then another one in Pleasant Hill. They called it Academics Plus. And there were literally thousands of kids on the waiting list.
    Great learning can happen if you have engaged parents pressing the faculty to get their act together. So we are in 100% agreement. Trust, but Verify. Sadly, I do not see this kind of parental activity in Mainstream education.
    Teachers are only the block here because we allow them to be.

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  4. Gregory Avatar

    Ryan,
    In California, the old whole/fuzzy math balloon didn’t burst until standardized testing showed conclusively that districts that followed constructivist dictums did wretchedly (I almost wrote ‘badly’ but that just wasn’t strong enough) that it began to get rolled back. A problem is that the culture in the colleges of Education hasn’t changed and so the inmates running the public K-12 asylum are still pointed in the wrong direction.
    To radically increase K-12 you’ll have to axe the bottom of the teaching barrel. Start by remediating the bottom 5% every year, and help them out the door if they don’t improve. Requiring a minimum of a SAT 500M/500V for new teachers of academic subjects might also be a fine new standard. Passing the CBEST, which would make a decent high school entrance exam, just isn’t good enough.

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  5. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Looking at the California turnout should cause everyone to shudder. I have said many times over the years that if the R’s all voted we would own the state and federal seats. I looked at a couple of the Congressional votes down south and the turnout was something like 10% in a couple of them. There was also a couple of uncontested races where only one democrat was running. Hell, if our people would get off their asses and turnout in decent numbers California could be saved from the abyss. I just don’t know how the voter suppression as practiced by the state’s democrats works. If the left is against voter ID’s they should be ecstatic here in the Goldenless State. R’s are totally suppressed except in 19 Congressional districts.

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  6. Ryan Mount Avatar

    Greg, first off in my somewhat educated opinion, the problems are structural. I look to the German model for solutions. Around the 8th grade, test (and I mean rigorously test) students for subject competency. Then evaluate.
    Send the good test takers onto college preparation. (In Germany and other places, it’s referred to as the Gymnasium.
    Send the others to vocational training.
    It is a pervasive myth in our country that all [kids] should be treated the same. We confuse “we are born” equally with the “we should all come out the same.” In my mind we have this unstated provincial attitude about the trades. They’re something you should escape from, not embrace. I have no doubt that this comes from our American experience over the past 200 years or so.
    Secondly regarding constructivism, I agree with your criticisms especially with regards to certain subjects, notably math and science. Communities of learners do not “create” knowledge [constructivism] with those disciplines. However constructivism in these contexts is not mutually exclusive. The problem with applying constructivism wholesale in math and the sciences is that it requires a HIGHLY skilled teacher to facilitate learning. We have very few of those. So in the fundamental topics, old-fashioned rote and practice is the remedy. And then if there is time, constructivism can be applied to add context.
    With regards to constructivism in the Liberal Arts, I think the results are mixed. I’ve always felt we have it ass-backwards with regards to Language Arts instruction. We tend to have a very constructivist curriculum in the younger ages (inventive spelling, talking narratives, etc) and a more conservative method past the 8th grades. I want to see rigorous fundamentals taught up to–ta dah!–the 8th Grade, followed by a more constructivist model for the high school years. I think the this might also be applied to the Social Sciences as well.

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  7. Gregory Avatar

    In practice, constructivist classrooms are just the Socratic method, only without a Socrates moving the class along. As a result, constructivist models have been an utter failure in practice, only the Romantics in the colleges of education, and their spawn, think otherwise.
    Your “treated the same” asides are straw men. While there is good in the gymnasium model, the old US comprehensive high school model, where both vocational and academic training is available, is in my mind better for a free, fluid class model. Testing elementary school kids to determine whether they become knowledge workers or manual labor/tradesmen is inappropriate and un-American.
    Sorry, but in math and the sciences, the constructivist model has not worked in either secondary school or collegiate setting. Trust me. In real classrooms, Constructivist science ends up as science appreciation.

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  8. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    “Great learning can happen if you have engaged parents pressing the faculty to get their act together. So we are in 100% agreement. Trust, but Verify. Sadly, I do not see this kind of parental activity in Mainstream education.”
    We golly gee, you do have part of it right. I was once at a high school for a parents night, and for 2,000 students with 2/3rd of the staff of over 100 present, 290 prents showed up, many of them not speaking English. Charter school and dedicated parents go together hand in hand, and by golyy they don’t even need teachers from the top one hundred colleges with top 1 percentile scores on their SAT’s to get good results.
    The difference is the parents and the families they create. Those kids come to school primed to learn, and yet those of Greg’s stripe want to punish anyone so naive as to try to start a teaching career in a school where the kids come from broken and dysfunctional families. Families where the parents were the previous generation’s disadvantaged kids, going backwards forever, will occasionally have a strong willed independent kid who will self start him/herself out of ghettohood, and those kids need all the help from the best possible teachers, but Greg wants to line them up against the wall and career-wise, shoot them. It’s amazing he can do math well, given how poor he is at human relations, but every gopher gets at least a few tasty roots.
    Having a bottomless bottom in society, and making as many people as possible feel inadequate in order to sell goods, is probably not the best foundation for society. Back in the wild west it worked somewhat, as you could always go off into the wilderness and survive. These days it is all owned, and watched over by those owners, be they private or state or federal.

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  9. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Correction, that was 20 parents, total.

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  10. Ryan Mount Avatar

    Maybe we need a more direct question: What is the purpose of Public Education?

    where both vocational and academic training is available, is in my mind better for a free, fluid class model
    You’re sounding like me a few days ago. Freaky Friday, I guess. You can be the Mom. Look, we can’t go back to the privileged model 50s and the 60s. And the social experiments (you know, the whimsical curriculum(s) that pop up ever few years) in the classroom from the 70-now don’t seem to be working. So we blame the teachers. Dumb. Blame the voters and the parents, and to some extent our lazy children.
    Cries of un-American-ness are exactly what I mean by this provincial attitude. I would appreciate it however, if you (or someone) would go out on a limb and precisely define what you think “American” is relative to this conversation. I and certainly others would like the definitive answer so we can settle this once and for all. What makes us exceptional with regards to education?
    Maybe Greg it’s just a visceral reaction to anything European, which I understand and respect. Don’t agree, but I respect it.
    And there is no Strawman here. I was criticizing of our culture where everyone feels entitled to go to college. I would think that a more Libertarian-oriented perspective would appreciate that we’re born equal, protected equally, but we don’t all turn out the same for whatever reason. And why not have an education system that attends to that, based on what our society needs? I guess we should drag in Judge Smails from Caddyshack: the world needs ditch-diggers too.
    I suspect the objection is around the assumption that if you get locked into a trade, that somehow you’re exempt from college or even changing jobs/careers/whatever. That’s the classic Liberal Arts argument. Less mobility. Less Liberty. It’s a Libertarian fairy tale. Maybe that’s the un-American part. I dunno. Hold me. But you’re (Greg) not the first one to take me to task on this, so I’m used to it. Typically these conversations boil down to a few non-starter conclusions, none of which are satisfying to me:
    1) The proto-Libertarian one: The market will sort this out eventually. Dumb and a High School Grad? Took out too many loans for your English Degree? Girls don’t like you because your non-employable? Too bad. Not my concern.
    2) The “screw it I’m gonna home school my kids” one. Don’t vaccinate my child either. Suddenly I’m a Christian Scientist. My kid will be designing airplanes by 17, but will have never kissed a boy/girl. S/he will participate furiously in blog comments on the Internets.
    3) The “let’s keep everything thing the way it is, and pump more money into this monster” one. (this is what we currently have for the most part)
    4) There are probably more, including my proposal.
    And lastly I’m not saying constructivism will work for the math and sciences. Just to clear the air. I said exactly the opposite and I propose an aggressive rote and practice K-8 curriculum.
    /my apologies for the length of this.

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  11. George Rebane Avatar

    One of the prime reasons why every dummy from high school gets to college these days is because colleges game their costs to what the government will subsidize, and consequently they need warm bodies (aka students) to pack the classrooms so that the subsidies and loan amounts will keep rolling in.
    All this is promoted and continued under the convenient guise that doing otherwise would somehow be un-American and violate the students’ rights to an education, therefore nipping in the bud another promising career in rocket science.

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  12. Russ Steele Avatar

    A good portion of our local high tech (applied tech) industry can be traced back to the arrival of Charles Litton Sr. He encouraged the high local schools and Sierra College to adopt course of study that leads to the development of technicians for local manufacturing firms. He actually developed a recommend course of study for Sierra College students wishing to be technicians.
    His recommendations were based on his experience at Lick-Wilmerding High School which uses a head/hands approach to learning. Lectures supported by hands on practical/shop work to drive the theory home. Litton wrote to the head master at Lick-Wilmerding that he could trace his business success to his days at Lick-W, even though he was a Stanford engineering graduate. He recognized that Stanford contributed to his learning, but it wasLink-Wilberding education that provided the foundation for his business success.
    Here is a quick look at the current course of study at Link-Wilmerding, a rigorous approach to learning:
    BODY-MIND EDUCATION ( Physical Ed)
    1 year BME 9th (credit)
    ENGLISH   
    4 years required
    HISTORY & SOCIAL STUDIES   
    3 years required
    MATHEMATICS   
    3 years required
    (4 years recommended)   
    SCIENCE   
    2 years required:
    9th (Biology)
    10th (Chemistry)
    (3 years lab science recommended)
    TECHNICAL ARTS
    2 years required:
    1 year 9th Design & Technology
    2 semesters 10th or 11th electives
    VISUAL ARTS   
    1 yearlong UC-approved course:
    9th Contemporary Media & Art fulfills this requirement
    WORLD LANGUAGES  
    3 years of the same language
    or 2 years each of 2 different languages
    or completing the highest level offered (minimum of two years recommended) 
    TOTAL CREDITS   
    255 units
    Plus successful completion of non-credit requirements:
    ALL 9th THROUGH 11th GRADERS MUST SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETE JELLIS BLOCK EVERY YEAR IN ORDER TO GRADUATE.   [Jellis Block requires all L-W students engage in hands-on, community-based application of the skills they have learned. Internships with business and non-profit agencies.]
    Reading Charles Litton’s letters about his experience at Lick -W and the impact it had on his business success is most interesting. It is clear this approach is highly successful. Parents are sill willing today to pay huge sums for their children to attend this private school. The question in my mind is, why this model cannot be extended to our public schools? Why does it only work in a dedicated private school.
    My youngest daughter was was bored out of her mind in high school and took ROP Graphic and Web Design courses. She leveraged those skills at CalPoly and later in life as a graphic designer for a publisher. She had a Masters in writing and publishing, but the skills that got her a graphic designers job were based on the skills she developed in ROP. This is very similar to the Charles Litton Sr story, about his days of learning at Link-W and his business success.
    Do we need a Nevad County version of Link-W?

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  13. billy T Avatar

    Concerning Spain. Spain is not Greece. They are having a banking crisis directly linked to their housing bubble and ensuing big bang. Spain is more of a country of autonomous regions with a not so strong central government. That’s why money is being dumped into the banks, not the public sector or trusted with the central government. I do not give or hear personal financial advice on RR. Just generalities when it comes to economic indicators and nothing on investment choices and sectors. Last weekend I was watching an interview with former Reagen Budget Director David Stockman on the tube. He came right out and said it point blank: Get your money out of the stock market. The topic was the usual Euroland/USA economy. His clear as day comment was refreshing. Then I remembered 3 years ago Uncle Ben and even Timmy G pulled their money out of the stock market. Also read about 6 months ago the financial holdings/investment choices of Congressman Dr. Ron Paul. He had zero stocks and moved his money to gold. Another hmmm. I ain’t giving advice, just making a point about rough seas ahead, mate. Red sky at morning and all that stuff. Of course no one wants to miss out on the next bull market. Oh ya, disclaimer time: Past performance does not guarantee future results.

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  14. Gregory Avatar

    Ryan, your last postis so far off baseas to be useless as a basis for discussion.
    Russ, your description of an academic high school is about what my east of LA public high school offered, if you chose the UC/college prep option. Auto mechanics was another.

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  15. George Rebane Avatar

    billyT 716pm – no intent to equate Greece and Spain. But the proposed bail out of Spanish banks directly impacts the public sector because it is to bring the banks back to (near) solvency after the Spanish government stiffs on the repayment of their sovereign loans. For all practical purposes, Spain’s debt to their banks will be forgiven, and they get to continue borrowing until no one again will lend them affordable money.
    Your investment advice is noted and appreciated 😉

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  16. billy T Avatar

    Dr Rebane. I meant in no way to say that Spain is not in the barrel going over the falls. Greece, Spain, Italy, Ireland, Portugal…Euroland…pick your poison. Years ago Alan Greenspan (not a big fan) ordered his department to study the weights of freight cars. He knew just by the reports that we were moving from a manufacturing industrial economy to a service economy. Last week the volume of cargo (shipping) from China to France fell dramatically. Same for China to Belgium shipments. Just saying…

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  17. George Rebane Avatar

    billyT 757pm – good points well reprieved. And also take a look at the recent history of the Baltic Dry Index.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Baltic_Dry_Index.png

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  18. Russ Steele Avatar

    When Ellen and I travel we take note of the number of cargo box rail cars sitting idle on sidings. On a recent trip to Seattle some where south of the Seattle/ Tacoma complex we passed maybe five miles of idle container box carriers just sitting on sidings. Three years ago it was hundreds of empty car carriers out side of Las Vegas just parked in the desert.
    RECENT TRENDS from the Bureau of Transportation Statistics:
    • In the first half of 2010, U.S. container ports handled a total of 110 million metric tons of containerized cargo, 17 percent higher than the 95 million metric tons handled in the same period in 2009, but down 8 percent from the 120 million metric tons handled in 2008.
    • Both U.S. containerized exports and imports rose during the first half of 2010, as U.S. businesses replenished low inventories and production activities increased. Despite this upturn, maritime container exports for the first half of 2010 were down 6 percent from 2008 levels and container imports were down 9 percent.
    • The growth in cargo activity at U.S. container ports during the beginning of 2010 followed a challenging year in 2009, when the tonnage of container cargo handled by the Nation’s ports fell by 10 percent when compared to 2008.
    • The growth in container traffic in early 2010 affected various sectors of the freight transportation sector. During the first half of 2010, active containership capacity worldwide reached 13 million TEUs (20-foot equivalent units—a measure for counting containers), up 15 percent from the previous 6 months, as the number of idled vessels fell and new vessels were delivered for service.
    • The number of intermodal shipping containers and truck trailers transported nationwide on railcars by U.S. Class I railroads during January to June of 2010 was 5.2 million units, up 12 percent from 4.6 million moved by rail during the same period in 2009, but down 7 percent from 5.6 million in 2008
    This was the best data I could find on the Internet published in Jan 2011.

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  19. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Why Lick works:
    Do the following experiment:
    Kick all the upper middle class kids out of Lick.
    Take in the kids that go to Balboa.
    Note the differences in resultant test scores and colleges admitted to, after four years. Probably better than the kids would have done if they had stayed at Bal, but nowhere near the usual results.
    How dense can you all be? The quality of the student population determines the excellence of the school and its graduates more than anything else. If you have a society with quality parents, you get quality students. Of course this is a bit like Russ saying legitimate businesses never cheat their customers.

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  20. Russ Steele Avatar

    Today the Courts ruled that student test scores have to be considered in CA teacher evaluations. The ruling applied to LA schools, but it should apply elsewhere as well. The teacher have been fighting this, they do not want to be held responsible for the students learning. The unfortunate side effect is we will now see more teaching of the test and not focusing on learning the critical tool sets for solving problems, rather more rote memory exercises to pass the standard tests.
    We need to drive a stake through the heart of the system and start over.

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  21. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Russ at 10:54, now begins the exodus of any quality teachers from ghetto schools, as they will move to where their jobs are not threatened by forces over which they have no control. Indeed it is the Great Divide. BTW, Lick himself was quite a character, and I’ve always loved the fact that his body is under the Lick Telescope on Mt Hamilton.
    “In the next three years, Lick spent his time determining how to dispense with his fortune. He originally wanted to build giant statues of himself and his parents, and erect a pyramid larger than the Great Pyramid of Giza in his own honor in downtown San Francisco. However, through the efforts of George Davidson, president of the California Academy of Sciences, Lick was persuaded to leave the greatest portion of his fortune to the establishment of a mountain top observatory, with the largest, most powerful telescope yet built by man.
    In 1874 he placed $3,000,000 at the disposal of seven trustees, by whom the funds were to be applied to specific uses. The principal divisions of the funds were:[2]
    $700,000 to the University of California for the construction of an observatory and the placing therein of a telescope to be more powerful than any other in existence
    $150,000 for the building and maintenance of free public baths in San Francisco
    $540,000 to found and endow an institution of San Francisco to be known as the California School of Mechanic Arts
    $100,000 for the erection of three appropriate groups of bronze statuary to represent three periods in Californian history and to be placed before the city hall of San Francisco
    $60,000 to erect in Golden Gate Park, San Francisco, a memorial to Francis Scott Key, author of “The Star-Spangled Banner”
    Lick had had an interest in astronomy since at least 1860, when he and George Madeira, the founder of the first observatory in California, spent several nights observing. They had also met again in 1873 and Lick said that Madeira’s telescopes were the only ones he had ever used. In 1875, Thomas Fraser recommended a site at the summit of Mount Hamilton, near San Jose. Lick approved, on the condition that Santa Clara County build a “first class” road to the site. The county agreed and the hand built road was completed by the fall of 1876.
    On October 1, 1876, Lick died in his room in Lick House, San Francisco. In 1887, his body was moved to its final resting place, under the future home of the Great Lick Refracting Telescope.
    Lick’s legacy
    One of three monuments dedicated to the Lick family in Fredericksburg, Pennsylvania.
    Lick’s will stipulated that all of his fortune should be used for the public good, including $700,000 for the building of the observatory.
    In 1888, Lick Observatory was completed and given to the University of California as the Lick Astronomical Department. The Observatory was the first permanently staffed mountain top observatory in the world and housed the largest refracting telescope in the world at that time.
    The body of James Lick lies beneath the refractor telescope he funded, and his will stipulates that fresh flowers be on his grave — always.
    In 1887 Lick’s body was buried under the future site of the telescope, with a brass tablet bearing the inscription “Here lies the body of James Lick.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Lick

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  22. billy T Avatar

    Wonder if Lick’s wish for fresh flowers on his grave forever and ever, Amen, has been honored. Think bronze roses would have been more practical and in line with the bronze astronomical instruments you see in museums and universities. Well, now we know where the San Fransisco bathhouses originated from. Don’t think we can afford to put fresh flowers daily on the grave sites of our public school system. 80’s teachers and spandex ruined a lot of things. That is the thing about not dying. You stick around long enough and you too can say “I remember when cheap wrenches where made in Japan and when California schools were considered excellent.”

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  23. billy T Avatar

    The EU says 3 trillion in 3 years is all we got for bailouts. That does not leave much left for Italy’s bite on the apple. The 115 billion loaned to Spain is not nearly enough to keep their banks doors open. Maybe it is time for the US taxpayer to step up to the plate via the IMF and help our olive skinned friends in Southern Europe. Its only fair and we must prove we are not racists. Maybe then some foreign countries might even like us. Being liked is of utmost priority to the libbies. Lets see. We can borrow money from China and sent it to Italy. Might make France jealous, but it is worth the risk. Or is it? Our liberal friends are obsessed with what the enlightened Pierre Q Public thinks. But I digress. Back to Spain: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-12/spain-s-record-yields-show-italy-bailout-risk-as-crisis-spreads.html

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  24. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    I gather the banks are having problems because the manufacturers deprived the banks’ clientele of ready cash, by shipping all the jobs to China. Maybe the Spanish banks and ours should open branches in China? You know, the old, “because that’s where the money is.”
    Go ahead, dismantle every union out there, rob every pension you can, declare Social Security bankrupt, and never tax the money’s made abroad by American 1 percenters, That’s not going to change anything until the American workers accepts their fate: Third world wages and living conditions for the next 60 years, until it all balances out. That’s the Capitalist Way, and the only thing Romney brings to the table.

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  25. George Rebane Avatar

    DougK 745am – You are ever a gem. No, Spain’s manufacturers did not deprive its banks of anything. Would that their economy were strong enough to support such business borrowing. What the lamestream you apparently depend on for news has not reported is that Spain’s banks have lent their funds to the Spanish government (heard of sovereign debt?) which is not in a position to either pay them back or service their debt. Therefore, the banks are at brink of failure and would take their depositors down with them.
    You might ask ‘how did this come about?’ The Spanish government has an advanced form of the socialist disease which going around the continent, and taking hold here. Spain’s unions (public and private) demanded and got the usual lavish benefits for little performance from the worker. They then doubled down with green energy projects which killed 2.5 jobs for every one that was created. And then the world wide real estate bubble finished them off.

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  26. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Let’s see, you’ve added another link to the chain. Who pays the government. The workers, via taxes. If he government suddenly has no workers paying taxes, that means the workers are out of work. If the work comes from tourists abroad only, then maybe their workers are also out of jobs. Who creates the jobs? The manufacturers. Where do they create them ? These days, for the most part, in the Far East. Go Job Creators! Rah Rah Rah!

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  27. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    World wide real estate is all still in place, although being deliberately allowed to far into disrepair by the banks. The only think that pops a bubble in real estate is workers without jobs unable to afford real estate, and super fancy financial finageling that sets the workers up for failure, along with the banks themselves. The power to change any of this is in the hands of the powerful, and not the workers. If you provided inferior wages and make people feel insecure and second class, via tv and advertising and outright political arrogance, you get children who are not particularly teachable, and good luck with that.

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  28. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Make the blanking Edit buttom much bigger and move it away from the post button!
    although Many Homes are being deliberately allowed to far into disrepair by the banks. The only thinG

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    Doug, this link perhaps should be posted under “What Recovery?” and I would change the title of the link to “What Every American DOES Know”. You feel it, I feel it, we all feel and know it intellectually….everyone except a few that are far far left of you. This is something Klugman policy cannot fix despite how many times we go round and round the merry-g-round. Knew an old farmer decades ago that was longing for the days of FDR when his bushel of wheat dropped below the price to harvest it. He just knew if FDR was still around, none of this would have happened. There is plenty of fodder in this link for you to have a field day with. Rather old news, but I don’t think SS will go bankrupt anytime soon. Maybe in 60 years. More like paying out 30-45 cents on the dollar in 45 years, but technically not bankrupt. Insolvent? Yes. Bankrupt? No. http://www.yolohub.com/economy/70-facts-president-obama-doesnt-want-you-to-know

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  30. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Leave it to George to provide us with directions for bitches and moaning.
    If you want to bitch and moan about this one – and you should – then here is some contact info.
    Office of the Governor (voice mail): (916) 445–2841
    Assembly Member Bob Blumenfield, Chair, Assembly Budget Committee (916) 319–2040
    Senator Mark Leno, Chair, Senate Budget and Fiscal Review (916) 651–4003
    😉

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    Apologies in advance for the length of this response to Ryan’s 12 June 2012 at 05:40 PM.
    First, from the end,
    “I’m not saying constructivism will work for the math and sciences. Just to clear the air. I said exactly the opposite and I propose an aggressive rote and practice K-8 curriculum.”
    Ryan, you seem to have the Ed school model in your head that the alternative to a Constructivist curriculum is “aggressive rote and practice”. Equating traditional, direct instruction practices to “aggressive rote” is what I discovered when the GVSD had adopted a Constructivist math curriculum circa ’95, just in time for my son to get it in the 1st grade. “That’s just ‘drill and kill’ is what I got from Ass’t Supe Linda Brown who, with Supe Jon Byerrum (Mr. Holly Hermanson) destroyed the math and language program at the Grass Valley schools. If you’re interested in what a solid 8th grade Algebra text might look like, dig out a copy of “Algebra, Structure and Method” by Dociani et al. In a well thought out sequence, section after section, theory is laid out, several examples are presented, with elegant descriptions, then a problem set presented. A good student can (I know this for a fact) teach themselves from such a book. It is the antithesis of “rote”.
    “> where both vocational and academic training is available, is in my mind better for a free, fluid class model
    You’re sounding like me a few days ago. Freaky Friday, I guess. You can be the Mom.”
    No, Ryan, I’m sounding like me, and I am the Dad.
    “Look, we can’t go back to the privileged model 50s and the 60s. And the social experiments (you know, the whimsical curriculum(s) that pop up ever few years) in the classroom from the 70-now don’t seem to be working. So we blame the teachers. Dumb. Blame the voters and the parents, and to some extent our lazy children.”
    The folks who hired the lousy teachers and make it difficult for good teachers to stick around are perhaps the biggest problem. As one report documented, new teachers from top 100 colleges get better results, but are also more likely to leave within five years. Getting rid of bad teachers and bad curriculums is a fix, but the folks who have been hiring the bad teachers are probably not the ones we should rely on making the decisions moving forward.
    “Cries of un-American-ness are exactly what I mean by this provincial attitude. I would appreciate it however, if you (or someone) would go out on a limb and precisely define what you think “American” is relative to this conversation.”
    Provincial? What an ass. I was born in East LA, went to the same high school as Edward James Olmos, and am friends with the late Jaime Escalante’s favorite CSULA math professor. If you want a clue as to what a modern traditional but inner city American “common school” might be like, sit down and watch Olmos’ portrayal of Escalante (a Bolivian immigrant engineer) in “Stand and Deliver”. Unfortunately, the modern educators in his schools threw up roadblocks from the start, and once Escalante was out of there let the reforms die off.
    “I and certainly others would like the definitive answer so we can settle this once and for all. What makes us exceptional with regards to education?”
    The Common School model. Look it up. If you take the lazy wiki way, you’ll find an excellent sentence summing it up: “The term ‘common school’ was coined by Horace Mann, and refers to the fact that they were meant to serve individuals of all social classes and religions.”
    “Maybe Greg it’s just a visceral reaction to anything European, which I understand and respect. Don’t agree, but I respect it.”
    Essen sie scheisse.
    “And there is no Strawman here. I was criticizing of our culture where everyone feels entitled to go to college.”
    Your strawmen are everywhere. In fact, you followed with strawmen one after another:
    “I would think that a more Libertarian-oriented perspective would appreciate that we’re born equal, protected equally, but we don’t all turn out the same for whatever reason. And why not have an education system that attends to that, based on what our society needs? I guess we should drag in Judge Smails from Caddyshack: the world needs ditch-diggers too.”
    We used to have an ed system that attended to that, but you were either too blind or too provincial to notice. Professional educators in the last few decades decided what the country needed were more folks like themselves, marginal college students turned into marginal teachers.
    “I suspect the objection is around the assumption that if you get locked into a trade, that somehow you’re exempt from college or even changing jobs/careers/whatever.”
    No, it’s that kids all have different interests, motivations and work ethics. A good elementary common school and a comprehensive high school should enable, not hinder, kids from any background to graduate from high school and be a literate ditch digger able to balance their checkbook or a budding academic able to hit the ground of a top college running on their way to a degree in math, physics chemistry or engineering, no matter their social status when they first walk in the door as a scared little kindergartener.
    That’s the ideal. Is there perfection anywhere? No. But we used to do the best we could.
    “That’s the classic Liberal Arts argument. Less mobility. Less Liberty. It’s a Libertarian fairy tale. Maybe that’s the un-American part. I dunno.”
    Yes, you “dunno”. Which is why you keep spinning strawman arguments.
    “Hold me. But you’re (Greg) not the first one to take me to task on this, so I’m used to it. Typically these conversations boil down to a few non-starter conclusions, none of which are satisfying to me:
    1) The proto-Libertarian one: The market will sort this out eventually. Dumb and a High School Grad? Took out too many loans for your English Degree? Girls don’t like you because your non-employable? Too bad. Not my concern.”
    There is no market, and as long as there is no choice, there won’t be.And while you can lead a horse to water, you can’t make them drink. In the end, the student and their family make the choices they make, and, if the schools are competent in their primary function, it is mostly the concern of the student and their family.
    “2) The “screw it I’m gonna home school my kids” one. Don’t vaccinate my child either. Suddenly I’m a Christian Scientist. My kid will be designing airplanes by 17, but will have never kissed a boy/girl. S/he will participate furiously in blog comments on the Internets.”
    Funny, since the home school movement didn’t start until, due mostly to the Romantic movement by Colleges of Education led to incompetent instruction and curriculums, kids were not learning “The three Rs (reading, writing, and arithmetic), history, geography, and math”, and instead got a heavy dose of Ed School cultural norms.
    “3) The “let’s keep everything thing the way it is, and pump more money into this monster” one. (this is what we currently have for the most part)”
    Especially since collective bargaining for public schoolteachers became the norm.
    “4) There are probably more, including my proposal.”
    Your proposal was to adopt the elitist German model. Bad idea, especially if it retains the same teacher population, which, by a federal DoE study, found the lower the SAT as a college freshman, the higher the probability they are a K-12 teacher ten years after graduation. And, from another document linked in a prior RR thread, the better the college the student graduates from, the higher the chance they’ve escaped the dysfunctional schools within the first five years and abandoned the teaching profession.
    Sorry Ryan, but this philosophy of yours and your Education mentors is the problem, not the solution.

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  32. THEMIKEYMCD Avatar

    Question: “Maybe we need a more direct question: What is the purpose of Public Education?”
    Answer: Indoctrination

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  33. Gregory Avatar

    “Those kids come to school primed to learn, and yet those of Greg’s stripe want to punish anyone so naive as to try to start a teaching career in a school where the kids come from broken and dysfunctional families. Families where the parents were the previous generation’s disadvantaged kids, going backwards forever, will occasionally have a strong willed independent kid who will self start him/herself out of ghettohood, and those kids need all the help from the best possible teachers, but Greg wants to line them up against the wall and career-wise, shoot them. It’s amazing he can do math well, given how poor he is at human relations, but every gopher gets at least a few tasty roots.”
    -Douglas Keachie | 12 June 2012 at 05:11 PM
    Keachie, the teacher from ‘Frisco, once again spins defamations and tosses them into the fan. None of his caricatures are based on anything I’ve written, and I am not responsible for his delusions.

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  34. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Greg at his finest:
    “Essen sie scheisse.”
    With all of the scheisse and straw, Greg can build himself a fine wattle school house. Eau du HobbsSnob
    “Hobbes was caught in a series of conflicts from the time of publishing his De Corpore in 1655. In Leviathan he had assailed the system of the original universities. Because Hobbes was so evidently opposed to the existing academic arrangements, and because De Corpore contained not only tendentious views on mathematics, but an unacceptable proof of the squaring of the circle (which was apparently an afterthought), mathematicians took him to be a target for polemics. John Wallis was not the first such opponent, but he tenaciously pursued Hobbes. The resulting controversy continued well into the 1670s.”
    You need three million new teachers Greg, I don’t think the top 100 schools can produce that in any hurry.
    Just ordered a copy of: Algebra, Structure and Method” by Dociani, thanks for the tip. I always get as many texts as possible on any given subject, have found some work much better than others for me.

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  35. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Gre in his latest 11:31 actually doubles back on himself, and admits that indeed the teachers from the top 100 schools are the ones who get test proven results, funnier and funnier. Two weeks or so back I brought this up and he said I lied, typical. Of course if you don’t quote Greg precisely precisely, he will totally deny everything. He can so essen sheisse himself.

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  36. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Greg sez: “To radically increase K-12 you’ll have to axe the bottom of the teaching barrel. Start by remediating the bottom 5% every year, and help them out the door if they don’t improve. ”
    I say: “Families where the parents were the previous generation’s disadvantaged kids, going backwards forever, will occasionally have a strong willed independent kid who will self start him/herself out of ghettohood, and those kids need all the help from the best possible teachers, but Greg wants to line them up against the wall and career-wise, shoot them.”
    Greg sez: “None of his caricatures are based on anything I’ve written, ”
    Since Greg appears to be strongly in favor of using test scores as a prime factor in deciding who is a successful teacher, even in ghetto schools, I’ll leave it up to you to decide what’s based on what, and what is a caricature, and what is an accurate portrayal of the stance he takes on education.

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    Trying to educate Keachie is like trying to put an octopus in a bucket. No time for it now other than to correct his memory: his claim was that the document in question claimed a top 100 education for a teacher was required for good results, while in fact it just made the statement it was associated with better result. Keach just can’t keep the details straight.
    A teacher who managed to gain entry into a top college is more likely to have mastered the secondary curriculum before they even started attending college classes.
    Another thought for Ryan, who at least can rub two thoughts together to make a flame… his favored straw men above involve his caricatures for libertarians/Libertarians (two different things).
    It should be noted that Horace Mann, the champion of the Common School, was a Whig senator, Abraham Lincoln was also a Whig (and led the Illinois Whigs) before abandoning the party as it self destructed. And one of the modern libertarian saints, Friedrich Hayek, referred to his political self as being “an old Whig”. The common school is a libertarian ideal.

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  38. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    In straining at gnats, Greg misses the elephants, as usual. BTW, a negative recommendation from Greg in re: my teacher/tutoring capabilities, turns out to be a positive in the circles I’m paid by. He’s got an interesting rep.

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    George, the innuendo is getting thick in here.

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    ‘Greg at his finest:
    “Essen sie scheisse.” ‘
    It was a good and elegant answer to Ryan’s charge I had a “visceral reaction” to anything European. My German teacher in high school (the classes I took were equivalent to Gymnasium), when calling on me in turn for a recitation, used to say it was time for me to work on my German accent; she thought I was pretty good at it. I like European culture, but the USA was formed as a rejection of many of the core European social constructs, and education was one of those.

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    There’s an inner city middle school in the LA area, Bennett-Kew of the Inglewood district, that has nearly the Academic Performance Index of the highest Socioeconomic Status middle school in Auburn, and about 50 points higher than the near lilly white Lyman Gilmore school of the Grass Valley School District. Most of the kids are on free lunches, and virtually all are black or latino. What they have is a school culture that doesn’t make excuses and a capable teacher corps that believes all those kids can learn as well as white kids. Imagine that. Thomas Sowell, in a related comment, has mentioned that when he was a kid, reading scores in Harlem were about as high as reading scores in white neighborhood schools.
    Rather than a model for systemic improvement, Bennett-Kew has pretty much been ignored by the state as an anomaly. An embarrassment to the education status quo.

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  42. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    So Greg, how do you replicate Bennett-Kew? Who are the parents of these kids, even though it is in the inner city. How many are in jail, or dead? Let’s take a closer look at the Inglewood District, and this school, that thrives in the same conditions as the Gloria R. Davis Middle School in San Francisco’s Hunters Point neighborhood. Back in a bit.

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  43. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    For starters, it is not a Middle School, it is K – 5, but we’ll forgive you for not knowing the difference. I guess Auburn is not the best school to compare things to around here. The folks in Inglewood seem to love the school.
    Bennett/Kew Elementary School, located in Inglewood, California, serves grades K-5 in the Inglewood Unified School District. It has received a GreatSchools Rating of 5 out of 10, based on its performance on state standardized tests.
    This school has an average Community Rating of 4 out of 5 stars, based on reviews from 25 school community members.

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    Uh oh, Greg, you sure you want to use this? Tell me it isn’t so!
    “Inglewood has the highest percentage of registered Democrats of any city in California, with 75.6 percent of its 48,615 voters registered in May 2009 as Democrats. Seven percent were registered as Republicans, and 14.1 percent declined to state a preference.[31]
    In 2005, the Bay Area Center for Voting Research, a nonpartisan organization in Berkeley, ranked Inglewood as the sixth-most-liberal city in the United States, after Oakland, California, and just ahead of Newark, New Jersey. Researchers examined voting patterns of 237 American cities with populations over 100,000 and ranked them on liberal and conservative scales.[32]
    The city is within California’s 35th congressional district, which in February 2008 had a Cook Partisan Voting Index of D +33, which meant that recent Democratic presidential candidates received 33 percentage points more votes than the national average.[33] It is represented by Democrat Maxine Waters.
    In the California Legislature, Inglewood is in the 25th Senate District, represented by Democrat Rod Wright and in the 51st Assembly District, represented by Democrat Steve Bradford.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inglewood,_California

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  45. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    These folks passed a bond for new constructiuon and reconstruction back in the late 1990’s. The builkt a rather nice and not cheap school.

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  46. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Compare that with Gloria R Davis Middle School in Hunters Point, CA, where all of that housing to the right and above the school in the image is still WWII temporary housing for the toxic shipyards 1/2 mile away.

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  47. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Funny, where are the tennis courts in the San Francisco image??? Some of the numbers may be the same, but the will of the people in Inglewood is obviously far different from those in SF. That location has one thing going for it if you are in the entertainment or sports industries. It’s real close to LAX, but just to the north of the glide path. It’s also convenient to the beaches, more so than 1141 West 47th street, where I spent a couple of years living with grandma. Google Earth showed me the house, and it still has the outline of the concrete fishpond in the backyard, and the street view shows where I used to play in the pillar structures holding up the front porch. I won’t bore you with the image.

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  48. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    The shoots are cropped by Typepad, will use smaller size next time.

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  49. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    “Thomas Sowell, in a related comment, has mentioned that when he was a kid, reading scores in Harlem were about as high as reading scores in white neighborhood schools.”
    And that is why he high tailed it down to Stuyvesant High School, in the tonier part of town. It doesn’t have tennis courts, but Peter Cooper Village next to it, does. Stuyvesant High School has since relocated, but that’s where it was when he attended the school.

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  50. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Thomas Sowell also grew up in a very different Harlem than what we knew during the 50’s to the early 1990’s. There were indeed neighborhood white schools.
    “In the 1920s and 1930s, the neighborhood was the focus of the “Harlem Renaissance”, an outpouring of artistic and professional works without precedent in the American black community. However, with job losses in the time of the Great Depression and the deindustrialization of New York City after World War II, rates of crime and poverty increased significantly.” wikipedia article on Harlem.”
    Hey where did Greg go? Haven’t heard a peep since the identification of Inglewood as one of the most liberal cities in America. Easy come, easy go…

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