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The situation in Europe is coming to a head, and Angela's got the whole world in her hand.  Now it’s definitely Spain’s and Italy’s turn in the barrel.  The remarkable news is that most likely there will be another €100B thrown at Spain’s banks intended to bail them out of bad sovereign debts that Spain’s government doesn’t have the money to repay.  But this money can serve no other purpose than to delay the inevitable; there is nothing Spain is doing to kick-start its economy and stop its descent.

From the prices of Spain’s government bonds today, the markets are saying that there is one chance in 23 that Spain will default within a year.  For Italy that likelihood is one out of 25 in the same period.  Tomorrow these odds will be less favorable.  What’s in your portfolio?  (Put in other numbers here.)

“It is not clear whether the expanded testing regimen boosted student learning.”  So opines a Reuters journalist reporting on the backlash to standardized testing that appears to be increasing across the country.  Parents of poorly scoring students are chanting that their “kids are not a test score”, and are demanding “more teaching and less testing.”   Apparently all these anti-testing factions – from teachers, unions, parents, … – are not concerned about assessing how their little darlins are doing in school as the test scores are heading south.  The journalist’s wonderment is probably shared by the multitudes who don’t know that learning and testing are necessarily independent efforts.  The clear conclusion is that the best way to address junior’s poor performance in reading and math, and all the subjects that require proficiency in reading and math, is to turn a blind eye to the matter by eliminating or dumbing down standardized tests.  (more here)

Many pundits are telling us that this or that faction will sit out the November election because their candidate is not exactly on the mark with certain facets of ideology or promises made.  Most of the discontents and vexed seem to be on the left side of the aisle.  I think they are flat wrong.

But no one who has been paying attention is going to sit out this election.  We are a nation too vehemently polarized to let others decide which of the two ‘evils’ facing us will prevail.  The only ones who won’t vote are the usual double dummies who don’t recognize the fork in the road and keep running into the road sign.  Unfortunately, too many of them are smug conservatives who tell you that it doesn’t really matter who wins, the whole thing is corrupt and rigged, they’re too busy working to pay taxes for those who don’t, …, or they just mumble ‘smurglemurf’ (for you of appropriate vintage, that’s how you pronounce the Lil’ Abner eternal jinx Joe Btsfplk’s name.)

[update]  Jo Ann forwarded a piece from Senator LaMalfa wherein he alerts us that the Democrats audacity to rape the taxpayer is going up another notch.  Gov Moonbeam has a bill in the state legislature that would penalize you 20% of any tax overpayment refund you would request that the Franchise Tax Board considers “excessive”.  Many of us overpay during the year so as not to incur and underpayment penalty when taxes are due.  Now the sumbich wants to dunn us for giving the state the use of our excess payment until refund time comes around.  I think these people know no shame.  Now they want you to pay them for restocking your wallet with your own money.  If you want to bitch and moan about this one – and you should – then here is some contact info.

Office of the Governor (voice mail): (916) 445–2841
Assembly Member Bob Blumenfield, Chair, Assembly Budget Committee (916) 319–2040
Senator Mark Leno, Chair, Senate Budget and Fiscal Review (916) 651–4003

[13jun12 update]  Now we hear that the total of unfunded pension liabilities across all jurisdictions in the country has exceeded $4,000,000,000,000 – yes, that four TRILLION dollars.  And no one has a clue on how to make good on those obligations.  The only solution still is to stiff the retired public service workers.  I hope everyone has pictures and videos of the celebrations that took place after the unions got the members of NASP (National Association of Scumbag Politicians) to authorize all those contracts.  That's about the most that they'll have to look at besides very tiny retirement checks in their mailboxes.

Mark Meckler of tea party fame reported today that people who track what the media – including the lamestream – cover, now tell us that it was only four days ago that NBC first reported on 'Fast and Furious', the months old gun walking fiasco that the Dept of Justice authorized along the Mexican border.  This aspect of liberal journalism at work goes a long way to explain why progressives have little clue on what's happening in the world, and respond in outrage to presentations of blatant and well-aged facts.  On RR we do what we can.

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100 responses to “Ruminations – 12jun12 (updated 13jun12)”

  1. Gregory Avatar

    “A related distraction technique, familiar to readers of A Storehouse of Knowledge, can involve swamping an opponent in long-winded screeds of text to artificially inflate the appearance of depth and quality of information presented – often enough, the actual content of several paragraphs can be summed in a sentence. “While the Gish Gallop floods an opponent with many, but relatively short points… to bury and obfuscate the core points that need to be discussed under a quantity of superfluous information. A user might well think that these techniques show that they know what they’re talking about, but in the end they act simply as distractions… A variant of the Gish Gallop is employed by bloggers who post an endless series of dubious assertions – each of which can be countered, but to no effect, as it will be buried under the cascade of dubious posts.”
    Inglewood, aka Inglewatts, is inner city and mostly black. Very Democrat. Maxine Waters is their Rep. Lousy schools, except for Bennett-Kew.
    Keach, there are effective treatments for Adult Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, and don’t worry, I have it on good authority you don’t have a chance for a full time job at any local school.

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  2. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Let me know the next time you hear of anyone age 67 or older who knocks down a FTE probabtionary slot up here. Ain’t happening for anyone, and you are on such good terms with Holly? Here’s the school that rocks your socks off, slightly below average elementary school, wow…

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  3. Gregory Avatar

    They like em young and stupid, which puts you at the 50th percentile. You can’t read, Keach. Even your page shot shows them at an 814 API, ABOVE, not below, the state average of 807, and above the GVSD results.
    This with poor brown kids, many of whom didn’t speak English very well when they started. And they’re doing much better than the kids in the GVSD, thanks to Jon Byerrum, Holly H’s better half, whose picture was in The Union today over his apparent (by the Nevada County civil grand jury) illegal spiking of his end salary to boost his retirement benefits. He’s getting a nice chunk of change for his role in trashing our local schools. Holly doesn’t seem to be in the forefront in monitoring the situation, and The Union forgot to mention he was married to the County Superintendent.
    B-K is in the top decile of their similar schools list. The GVSD schools are in the bottom two deciles of their similar schools list, and below Bennett-Kew’s absolute API.
    They’re taking way below average kids and making above average students. The GVSD takes above average kids and makes below average students. That school works, ours don’t.

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  4. Dixon Cruickshank Avatar

    Greg: “A related distraction technique, familiar to readers of A Storehouse of Knowledge, can involve swamping an opponent in long-winded screeds of text to artificially inflate the appearance of depth and quality of information presented – often enough, the actual content of several paragraphs can be summed in a sentence.”
    Why I don’t bother reading the drivel, saves me alot of time, reading the short rebuttel is quicker and more inforamtive usually.

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  5. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Hey silly, the kids came through the do way below average? This is a K-5 school, not a middle school, and they are responsible for the progress, which is average, based against the national norms. The API is just a California thing, to make everyone feel good. Why don’t you make the comparison against the actual achievements here, as that is what you propose to hire and fire teachers by? Look at the right hand side of the image, not the left.

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  6. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Listening to Greg interpret Keachie is like listening to Izvestia interpret world affairs. Good luck, Cruickshank!

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  7. Gregory Avatar

    DC, Keachie just can’t let go of his baser instinct to ignore reality. Bennett-Kew is 39% black, 59% latino, 0% asian, 1% white, 92% free/subsidized lunch and 32% english learners.
    Bennett-Kew API Growth:
    for black kids, 829
    for latino kids, 821
    for ELL kids, 808
    How does that compare with Frisco Unified’s results?
    for black kids, 615
    for latino kids, 682
    for ELL kids, 745 (more Asian than Latino)
    Now, Hennessey in Grass Valley
    for white kids, 775
    for latino kids, 746
    for ELL kids, 766
    Wretched, isn’t it? Why are brown kids getting free lunches at Bennett-Kew doing so much better than Hennessey’s kids who are primarily white, english speaking and whose parents are much better educated? Think it might be the teachers and the curriculum? Any why does Keachie now seem to think poor kids and wealthy kids come to kindergarten equally ready to learn and supported by parents? In the past, he’s made it clear it’s the parents that determine how good the test scores will be.
    Now, perhaps Keachie can explain away the differences. No, I’ve NEVER said pay/retain teachers on the raw test scores… but on the “value added” the test scores reveal. Teachers whose students gain more than a year’s expected progress should be rewarded, those whose students consistently progress less than a year’s expected progress, despite remediation, should be shown the door, regardless of seniority or tenure.
    There’s a reason B-K is in the top decile of its 100 most similar schools, and Hennessey isn’t. It’s the administrators with high standards, the teachers they hire and retain, and the curriculums they select.
    PS all the info is from api.cde.ca.gov

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  8. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Lyman Gilmore kids have gone from 31% free lunches in 2003 to 59% free lunchers in 2010. The number of full time teachers is now only 24%, down from 32% in 2003. The API is a relative scoring system. The absolute scores are somewhat ahead of B-K, and the kids are older, when the scores tend to go down. I don’t thing that Lyman Gilmore s the upper middle class white school that Greg seems to believe it is.
    http://www.schooldigger.com/go/CA/schools/1578001997/school.aspx
    B-K is currently not doing so hot, having entered stage 1 of Program Intervention. I think Greg should be more concerned about the doubling of free lunch kids in less than 8 years, than the current test scores.

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  9. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Note that B-K free lunch eligibility is just about 4% higher than Lyman Gilmore:
    Free Lunch Program Eligible: 467 68.6% 445 61.5% 475 63.9%
    Reduced-Price Lunch Program Eligible: 70 10.3% 91 12.6% 63 8.5%
    Does the fact that the LM students are basically white supposed to mean that they are supposed to do better, Greg?

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  10. Gregory Avatar

    Note Keach had to sneak in “upper middle class”, which I never said. I’ve been to Inglewood, it ain’t Grass Valley, and my wife attended what was then Kew-Bennett as a little girl, as her Yugoslavian immigrant/refugee parents moved there in the ’50’s.
    Keach knows it isn’t the whiteness, it’s the overall socioeconomic status, that is correlated with performance. Why does his old employer in Frisco do such a bad job teaching brown kids? The Ed biz works overtime to cast doubt on any metric that points to the schools instead of parents.
    Only one student at Lyman Gilmore was reported last year to have scored Advanced in Algebra, out of about 170. That’s a cumulative K-8 failure.

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  11. Brad Croul Avatar

    Regarding Meckler’s claim, I found several references of news articles going back to mid-2011 that indicate otherwise (anyone with an AP or Reuters feed is the same to me, even Fox).
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Gunrunner
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

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  12. billy T Avatar

    Back briefly to Euroland, then our wonderful public school system. I really don’t see how the house of cards will not tumble without US intervention. Germany might suck it up and be on the hook for 3 trillion thrown at the problem just for self interest, but not a long term solution. Scenario #1: The US through the FED or IMF (more likely Fed) will come to the rescue and do a Marshall Plan II just to kick the can down the road until sometime 2013 or 2014. Massive infusion of our dollars for “the greater good”. Scenario #2, which I prefer. Germany (not Greece) bails out of the EU. The nation thrives as the Euro is deflated to under 50 cents on the dollar. Germany becomes the bad guy, saves her taxpayers trillions, and Britain is continues to muddle along as it always has. Just a thought. Now, about public schools and these informative discussions. I have a different take. Just imagine if one’s life’s work and belief system came under attack. Wouldn’t that make you defensive if you did no introspection? Now imagine that evidence came out that your whole life’s work was not only be dismissed and rudely ridiculed, but it was proven to actually be detrimental to society today and the future of our Nation? Going from hero to zero, from the Penthouse to the outhouse is a lot to digest. I take pity on those who grasp and deflect in a vain attempt to defend the way things are. “They way things were” was sung nicely by Barbara Streisand and perhaps more appropriate.

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  13. billy T Avatar

    I will not change “They way things were” to “The way we were” just to make the defensive find relief in smugness.

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  14. billy T Avatar

    Back home in California (an area abutting the Pacific Ocean in North America) the good news is we can still have our 32 oz Big Gulps and our movie popcorn is yet to be banned. Also, if you stay in your new home 30 years, you can recoup some of your construction costs. Like everybody stays in their home 30 years in today’s world http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/14/california-new-energy-efficiency-standards-include-costly-initial-price-tag/ Meanwhile, I buried my heart at Altamont Pass as an Endangered Species gets slaughtered by our Great Green Father in Washington, just like he did at Wounded Knee. In unrelated news, oil exploration has been halted in the vast tract of land covering Eastern New Mexico through Western Texas because of a desert dune varmint not on the Endangered Spices List. Kill what is on the Endangered Spices List with impunity (not to mention the symbol of our nation) while halting oil production because of a rat not on the list. This green stuff is a bit confusing to a dumbbell such as I.http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204781804577267114294838328.html

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  15. George Rebane Avatar

    billyT 821pm – those are some pretty heavy duty scenarios Mr Tozer. You are not giving much credence for the northern Europeans forming eurozoneNorth, and letting their southern brethren go back to printing their favorite faith-based paper. That would sure bring back cheap vacations on the Mediterranean. For the life of me, I can’t see Marshall Plan Two, because that would mean instant hyper-inflation.
    Your analysis of the teachers doing such a self-evaluation is too poignant; hard to see any human, let alone a cohort of them, doing such a mea culpa. A very big pill to swallow, and I hope we can change our public school system without having to ram it down their throats any more than is being done already.

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  16. billy T Avatar

    Dr. Rebane, hyper-inflation is not in the cards. For hyper-inflation, there has to a huge inflation in income and salaries as the price of everything goes up, up, and away. Nah, Krugman’s theories spare us from escalating income. Take Greece. Some hospitals have not been paid in a year and many TLC types as well. They still man their stations out of devotion. When the US drops some coins in their beggars cups, they will immediately pay the back wages. Then those that got their back wages will pay back all their friends and family they have been sponging off the past year or so. Then everyone one will back at square one and the beggar’s cup remains empty waiting to be re-filled. No hyper-inflation and maybe they might get 3 or 4 new stoplights. Read an interesting article printed on a newspaper that went out of business a year ago. The former employees are broke and there ain’t any jobs out there for them anyway. So, being bored, they meet periodically to fire up the presses and inform outsiders like me and you what is going on in the streets of Athens. So, I will refrain from calling all the Greeks lazy and unproductive henceforth. What they have to say about public sector employees, though, is less than flattering and more critical than words I would use or imagine.

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  17. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    You still are putting the blame on the teachers, and not the society as a whole. There are 11,000 attorneys in SF, and guess where they send their kids to school. Expecting public school teachers to make silk purses out of the bottom half of the demographic is simply not realistic. And using standardized tests to wipe out the bottom 5% of teachers every year just isn’t going to make for improved morale, and a better education system is what won’t be happening, when the ill prepared and unwilling to learn students arrive, as they always have, and the public says, “if they don’t learn, you’re fired.”
    Blaming teachers for the USA’s current fiscal problems in the global marketplace is the act of desperate folks, unable to take responsibility for their own screwups, and tragic-comically unaware of cause and effect.
    As for me personally, why on earth would I feel guilt? What is the number one need in the country right now, employee-wise? What did I spend the bulk of my career not only teaching, but also promoting, and physically installing, so that not only my kids but all kids could use and advance with?
    Without me, or someone like me, computers would have gone unordered, the internet would not have been installed even before www, and so on, right on down the line. I started in 1964, and was more than ready for personal computers when they came on the scene. If I had followed the contract to the letter, an awful lot of stuff would have never have gotten done. Now of course, you will say, “that was all obvious.” Back then, it sure as hell was not, to 99% of the population, including fellow teachers and administrators. I had one supervisor who was convinced that our role was to produce good typists, and who hated the internet. I put in the proverbial countless hours of work, unpaid, and,instead of hording my sickleave like the teacher in the paper the other day, I used it all, attending conferences and shows and learning all I could, because the District had “no money” for courses for me. BTW before you go ape-scheisse on this, I did so with the permissions of the various principals involved.
    Next time you meet a software engineer under the age of 40, ask him if he has any friends who graduated from Lowell, assuming he/she is not here from abroad, and even then, who knows?
    If you want to play psych games, maybe we should ask why Greg has such a fixation on casting the local schools in such a bad light? Other than regretting that he lost a new car by paying tuition at a local private school?

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  18. Gregory Avatar

    “You still are putting the blame on the teachers, and not the society as a whole.”
    That pretty much sums up the lack of responsibility that the Ed Biz accepts for the quality of the service.
    The Firesign Theater once scripted a parody of physics where they presented Fudd’s Laws, the first one being, “If you push something hard enough, it will fall over”. Keachie’s corollary to Fudd’s First Law is, “If you give the school districts enough money, the children will be educated”.
    I criticize the local schools that are severely underperforming. This includes the Grass Valley School District, the Pleasant Valley District, and some of the schools in the Auburn School District. The first thing that needs to happen is for people to wake up, smell the coffee and pay attention to the test scores and the data that is online and freely available.
    Locally, the Nevada City and Union Hill schools have been pretty good, and the Pleasant Ridge District has been excellent.
    That wasn’t a “teacher” who was in the paper with the issue found by the Grand Jury of an ending salary spiked illegally before retiring in order to boost his pension. That was the retired Superintendent of the Grass Valley School District, Jon Byerrum, the very fellow who pushed Whole Language and Whole Math into Grass Valley Schools, and husband of the current County Superintendent of Schools, Holly H., who has not exactly been a model of propriety herself. A number of good teachers who saw the handwriting on the walls left as it was being pushed through by his Igor, Linda Brown, the Ass’t Superintendent and Hennessey Principal. I went to multiple board meetings, did my best to alert them as to how bad “Mathland” was, to no avail.
    And I attended the first board meeting after the first STAR exam results were published a couple years later, showing what would have been my son’s class (but for the transfer to the St.Sensible) showing half the kids in the bottom quartile. All Byerrum could say, not wanting to look me in the eye, was to the effect that there were a few holes in the math program. Their language scores were just as bad.
    You can’t fix something until you accept it needs fixing. By the only objective measurements we have, the GVSD remains in sad shape.
    The high school also has its problems, and some of them are due to the quality of the schools feeding them.
    BTW give Keach a gold star on his forehead for working hard, self esteem is important.

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  19. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Greg again puts words in my mouth, but he is partially correct. If you go to http://farstars.blogspot.com/search?q=school and scroll down to “Build a better Ghetto School,” you will find a very expensive solution to the inner city crisis, that basically involves giving students a second home in which they are safe and nurtured. It does not involve raising teacher’s salaries, unless having some of them supervising on-site overnights counts.
    I wonder, has Greg ever volunteered to teach either the students or teachers his way of learning Algebra? He’d get a Gold Star too.

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  20. Gregory Avatar

    Keachie once again uses a slight to denigrate a very successful method. Dolciani’s books are still being updated and sold a quarter century after she died:
    http://math.hunter.cuny.edu/dolciani/about_mpd_exp01.html
    Over 50 million sold. It isn’t my way to teach math, it was the dominant math curriculum when the folks who developed much of today’s technology were K-12 students.

    In an “Et tu, Chronicle?” moment, Keachie might want to read The Chronicle main editorial today. Apparently a judge in LA decided the teacher evaluations showing 99+% exceeded expectations were not believable, and a 1972 law directing teacher evaluations to take standardized test results into account has been upheld, and The Chronicle agrees. Imagine that.
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/06/15/EDH51P22D5.DTL

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  21. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    And Greg strikes out again. It WAS a teacher I was referencing, the one who sucker punches coyotes before sunup with a 20 power scope on his rifle. http://www.theunion.com/article/20120613/OPINION/120619935&parentprofile=search
    “Over 50 million sold. It isn’t my way to teach math, it was the dominant math curriculum when the folks who developed much of today’s technology were K-12 students.”
    Now 50,000,001 copies sold. I do not remember being too happy about the text I learned from back around 1958 – 1961. Maybe you do have a magic elixer.
    Taking tests scores into account is not necessarily firing the bottom five percent every year. Even if they have to be there two years in a row, it still means firing and stresssing a lot of teachers. It also means any teacher with any common sense will do his/her damned to kick any kid permanently out of their classroom. Let it be tied into the extensive system I outlined here, and I will join you for tea.
    http://farstars.blogspot.com/search?q=teacher+evaluation

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  22. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    “I wonder, has Greg ever volunteered to teach either the students or teachers his way of learning Algebra? He’d get a Gold Star too.”
    please explain how this is a “slight.”
    Is it a bad thing to a way of teaching math associated with Greg Goodknight? News to me.

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  23. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    I think it is time for Greg to get the chip off his shoulder, and instead put his shoulder to the wheel, when it comes to local education.

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  24. billy T Avatar

    Watch out boys, the dam is busting. There are 3-4 critical proprieties that really need to be addressed. These critical priorities have been neglected for the past 30 years. Number 2 or #3 has to be public education. Neglected and in a total state of disrepair. Public education has produced people who can learn and people who have not learned. The latter in now the accepted norm, while those that have learned are the glaring exception. The gist of the Great Divide. We have long since passed the point of diminishing returns and face critical mass. Rather that bemoan the horrid state our public school system is in and rather that blame what 30 years of neglect has done to our nation and our children’s bleak futures, we should be encouraged that we have faced down enemies before and have reached the other side victorious. We can defeat this corroding evil that threatens the very fabric of our once proud nation. If we can put a man on the moon, then surely we crush this dastardly enemy we face today and fix the f**ker.

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  25. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    “We have met the f”ker and he is us.”
    Soon we will be having not even the bottom half of the college educated willing to teach, because of the attitude society has towards teachers. Great job of scapegoating folks, and not takinbg responsibility for your sins. Teachers can only do so much. If society hands unwilling and unprepared to learn children to schools in overwhelming numbers, what can a teacher do?

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  26. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    A kid from the kind of family where the main worker(s) has a job that pays like the one below, just is not on a level playing field with those from the middle class.
    The Hands That Feed Us, and the work being done on the ground by groups like ROC-U — which contributed to the report and helped create the Food Chain Workers Alliance in 2008 — may signal the beginning of a change.
    Take that $2.13 figure, the federal minimum wage for tipped workers. Legally, tips should cover the difference between that and the federal minimum wage, now a whopping $7.25. If they don’t, employers are obligated to make up the difference. But that doesn’t always happen, leaving millions of servers — 70 percent of whom are women — taking home far less than the minimum wage.
    Which brings us to the happily almost-forgotten Herman Cain. What’s called the “tipped minimum wage” — that $2.13 — once increased in proportion to the regular minimum wage. But in 1996, the year Cain took over as head of the National Restaurant Association (NRA), he struck a deal with President Bill Clinton and his fellow Democrats. In exchange for an increase in the regular minimum wage, the tipped minimum wage was de-coupled. The result: despite regular increases in the regular minimum wage, the tipped minimum wage hasn’t changed since 1991.
    Other disheartening facts: Around one in eight jobs in the food industry provides a wage greater than 150 percent of the regional poverty level. More than three-quarters of the workers surveyed don’t receive health insurance from their employers. (Fifty-eight percent don’t have it at all; national health care, anyone?) More than half have worked while sick or suffered injuries or health problems on the job, and more than a third reported some form of wage theft in the previous week. Not year: week.
    There are societal considerations as well as moral ones: Food workers use public assistance programs (including, ironically, SNAP or food stamps), at higher rates than the rest of the United States work force. And not surprisingly, more than a third of workers use the emergency room for primary care, and 80 percent don’t pay.”
    How many workers in our local restaurant industry get this wonderful $2.13/hour? How come those student in our local schools, eligible for free lunch, shot up from 30% in 2003 to 60% now?

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  27. Gregory Avatar

    billy T, it isn’t neglect, it’s a willful refusal of the educators to face the problems of their making.
    Thanks to Keachie for teaching by example.
    Keach should understand, but won’t: teachers aren’t scapegoats; those teachers who aren’t doing a good job, the unions who insure that fact doesn’t affect their lifetime job and the administrators who hire them and give them superlative performance ratings ARE the problem.
    Thanks to The Chronicle for the mention of SF schools and the fact there’s been a law on the books for FORTY YEARS directing schools to take student testing into account for teacher evaluations, and it’s been ignored. Until now, thanks to a SoCal court.

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  28. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Greg, District have always had the ability to fire a teacher, it just that they’ve had to prove it, and that, by the California School Board’s assertion back in the 1990’s, costs about $180,000/teacher, in order to do it properly. The school boards, taxpayers, don’t want to do this. For one, it does cost $180,000. More importantly, the odds of getting yet another person who can’t boost the test scores, is quite high, for the silk purse reason I’ve already cited.
    I’ve asked before, of the approximately 3,000,000 teachers nationwide, what percentage do you believe should be fired? It’s a question you’ve never answered. What percentage do you think are doing a fine job, except for the fact that they do support their unions, and most often, willingly. And finally, what percentage do you think are doing a fine job, and hate their unions, and the companion question, what percentage are doing a crappy job and hate their unions?
    You always talk in generalities, it’s time you put on your grownup pants and state your case more precisely. BTW, how does it feel to be told your opinions are childish? You take such joy in doing it yourself.

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  29. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Society is currently making lots of families with high sulfur steel, and the children come unprepared to met the rigorous waters of basic education, and you already know the rest of the story.

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  30. Gregory Avatar

    When someone like Keachie insults me, I have to consider the source.
    Anyone who thinks $180K to fire a bad teacher is reasonable is living on another planet, and the US teaching profession’s inability to accept high standards is its biggest obstacle to teachers being treated like professionals.
    California’s teachers are among the highest paid, and Californias students are among the lowest performers. There is a disconnect.

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  31. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    California is among the most expensive states to live in, with a huge numbers of non-English speaking students, there is no disconnect.
    Got a problem with $180,000? Take it up with the legal profession. The third floor of Fortress Franklin, HQ of SFUSD, was inhabited by the Superintendent, and 12 lawyers. The head of personnel was a lawyer. Get a clue!

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  32. Gregory Avatar

    The problem isn’t how much lawyers charge, the problem is needing a team of lawyers to get rid of one bad teacher.
    Bennett-Kew has done a fine job of taking English language learners and educating them better than Hennessey School manages with kids who grew up speaking English, for the same cost. It isn’t a lack of funds.

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  33. billy T Avatar

    This is not solely about teachers. This is about a broken public education system. You walk 20 miles into the woods, you have to walk 20 miles out. The problem with government run schools is…well…they are run like the government. We can’t just snap our fingers and fix the fker. We have to get the fker fixed, but 30 years of producing sub par teachers coming out of a very sub par government education system (that’s being kind)and run by a sub par bureaucracy has got us exactly where we are today. Keep doing what you are doing and you will keep getting what you are getting. Its not even conservatives verses liberals by any stretch. It is concerned parents and concerned citizens verses those with a vested interest entrenched in keeping things 20 miles in the woods. Every conceivable measure as proven beyond any doubt that adding more money won’t fix the f**ker. Here is what some concerned parents are doing….not for everybody, but thinking outside the “close enough for government work” box. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/16/african-americans-increasingly-turn-to-home-schooling/.

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  34. George Rebane Avatar

    billyT 1227pm – you nailed that very succinctly.

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  35. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    “Bennett-Kew has done a fine job of taking English language learners and educating them better than Hennessey School manages with kids who grew up speaking English, for the same cost. It isn’t a lack of funds.”
    So Greg’s magic elixer is found in Bennett-Kew? OK, so where did their teachers come from, and what are they doing that is so different from everyone else, or maybe more to the point, what sort of families are feeding this school?
    Are they upwardly mobile, like the Chinese family that not only took there kids there ($10 admission, no windsurf launch fees, multiculty middle class), with new suits and water toys, but also had there kid dumpster diving for aluminum and the graciously accept our direct donation to them, smiles all around? Is this a typical no-can-do inner city, or something unusual enough to vote to tax themselves for a shiny new k-8 school with six tennis courts, and rammed through a planning commission a total blockage and elimination of a street?
    I think it may be well more than “just the teachers doing their job.” Transport those same teachers to a different school and see if it still works. Or maybe we should look at the test scores from a San Francisco School that does teach bilingually, with nothing more than a rooftop for a play area? Tune in tomorrow, my daughter wiped me out.
    BTW, the USA had one very dominant culture during the 1950’s, and a great many teachers from that era went through college on the GI bill, and would have retired by 1985 to 1990. And was it in the 1970’s that corporal punishment became a no-no, and principals started to back up parents and students rather than their teachers? Lots of factors to consider.
    Home school is great, if the parents are up to the task. And those are the very kids that teacher find teachable and ready to learn. The more kids go into home schooling and charter schools with no bus services, the more high sulfur content students flood the public school classrooms. Such a design is reminiscent of not having the bulkhead go all the way up, with resulting test scores going all the way down. What role did the creation of charter schools and the popularity of home schooling play in the demise of Lyman Gilmore’s and Hennessy’s test scores?

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  36. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    “There” in the previous comment is Lake Natoma.

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  37. Gregory Avatar

    “So Greg’s magic elixer is found in Bennett-Kew? OK, so where did their teachers come from, and what are they doing that is so different from everyone else, or maybe more to the point, what sort of families are feeding this school?”
    No magic elixer, and if Keachie had taken what I wrote here a year ago, he’d know some of the answers:
    “For an alternate view of what is wrong in low performing schools, read this paper:
    http://www.csun.edu/~vcmth00m/brookings.pdf
    Google “Nancy Ichinaga” and Bennet-Kew for more information. Ms. Ichinaga’s school was exactly the sort of school that we need but mostly don’t get.”
    Nancy Ichinaga testified a number of times on what she did to turn around a school that, when she arrived, were performing at the 3rd percentile for the state, which, as we know, isn’t all that high.
    It isn’t magic, just good management and good teaching of a good curriculum.

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  38. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Well Greg, upon reading through I’ve discovered several things. One school uses one set of books, and another, including Saxon which I thought was one you had put down a while back.. There is uniformity within a school for the books used. I am also wondering if there is uniformity in the student body? Compared to the average ghetto school, how many of these kids are retained year to year?
    I also note high parent involvement, quite different from many of the ghetto schools I’ve seen. And I see teaching to the test, which I do not believe is a bad thing, but you show me the leadership that allows for that in many school districts. This is not something the individual teachers have much control over. I’ll also note that the examined schools get full sets of matchy-poo texts running through multiple grade levels is also unusual. The money to hire someone to oversee the bookroom is long gone. Typically teachers are left to rummage around and see what they can find. We never even had a budget with which to buy textbooks for computer programming at Lowell, so we copied the manuals and used the internet when it came along.
    From personal experience in two different all-German, German only spoken schools, that I attended in Darmstadt, Germany, the one subject that the teachers and I could communicate on was math. They would write out a new concept, and I would try to solve an example, and they would point out via corrections, what I wasn’t getting. Math is an ideal subject for non English speakers to master.
    More later, time to go mow.

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  39. Gregory Avatar

    Keachie just can’t get over his reactionary tendencies.

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  40. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    And Greg just can get over how the mighty have fallen:

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  41. Gregory Avatar

    Keach, you’re grasping at straws. Tell the nice people how they are doing compared to their similar schools.

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  42. Gregory Avatar

    Noticing Keachie had used a 2009 report, I wondered if he’d just cherrypicked an outlier year. Yep.
    http://star.cde.ca.gov/star2011/ViewReport.aspx?ps=true&lstTestYear=2011&lstTestType=C&lstCounty=19&lstDistrict=64634-000&lstSchool=6014435&lstGroup=1&lstSubGroup=1
    My guess would be school boundaries had been adjusted and kids below grade level in achievement had been added as a result.
    The 2011 report again has the poor latino and black kids at B/K doing much better than GVSD schools, despite Principal Ichinaga’s having retired 11 years ago.

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  43. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Actually Greg, I just picked the first one that would come up properly that what recent. For some reason the Dep of Ed website is not the most reliable, no big surprise. I think a more accurate guess of what happened is that a great many kids opted to attend the big shiny new school. BTW, is Saxon OK now?

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  44. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Of course you still haven’t addressed the issue of this being in Maxine Waters District. Now that the little darlings are super bright and coming of voting age, do you suppose they’ll throw her out?
    “Tea Party hell: In remarks earlier this month in Inglewood, Calif., Waters went after the Tea Party, telling a group of her constituents (many wearing purple SEIU T-shirts): “I am not afraid of anybody. This is a tough game. You can’t be intimidated. You can’t be frightened. And as far as I’m concerned, the Tea Party can go straight to hell.””
    You know that Inglewood is over 100,000 people, of the 639,088 in her district, which is made up of:
    10.4% White, 34.1% Black, 5.6% Asian, 47.4% Hispanic, 0.2% Native American, 0.2% other
    Somehow I don’t think so: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California%27s_35th_congressional_district

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  45. Gregory Avatar

    Keach, I’ve never had a problem getting 2011 results from the CDE site, and just what are the odds you’d just happen to get the one year where they had a blip?
    “Big shiny new school”?
    I never said Saxon wasn’t “ok”; it is complete and relies on instruction by book and teacher, not wild guesses by the kids trying to rediscover a millennium of mathematical advances of our past. It spoonfeeds the subject in a spiral model, which isn’t optimal for good students who are going to be in the same school for the duration. I have written here that had the GVSD accepted the offer of a classroom worth of free books to do a pilot in ’95, we’d probably never have taken our son out of the GVSD, which we left only because of the wretched Mathland that destroyed the academic futures of Grass Valley kids for well over a decade. As I’ve written here in the past (Keach has a short memory), the GVSD’s choice of Saxon to remediate the Mathland/CPM debacle was probably the best they could have done.

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  46. Gregory Avatar

    More Gish Gallops by Keachie.
    “In responding to the Gish Gallop, where possible it is best to…narrow the debate down to a single topic–the age of the earth, or the fossil record–and then debate it through to its logical conclusion. This defeats the Gish Gallop, and also prevents the common creationist tactic of suddenly changing the subject whenever he or she gets uncomfortable”
    I really don’t care who those kids end up voting for. I do care that, unlike the kids in the Grass Valley and Pleasant Valley school districts, they have a school that manages to exceed expectations.

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  47. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    HOw long has GVSD been using Saxon? Under which superintendent was the choice to switch made? And again, have the charter schools drained the area of the cream of the crop? Going from 30% free lunch eligible to 60% free lunch eligible in less than eight years seems to indicate an extreme shift in the popuolation served, or at least the home economic conditions.

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  48. Gregory Avatar

    Keach, no more food for thought for you until you eat what’s already been put on your plate. Stop banging your spoon against the high chair for your own amusement.

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  49. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Galloping Greg’s Ghost refuses to eat his spinach and any questions pertinent to the topic at hand, and so forfeits the contest, uncannily.

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  50. billy T Avatar

    Speaking of education and budgets, I am wary of the state wisely spending education funds. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47920330/ns/us_news-life/#.T-Sin5HhcUo

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