83 responses to “Occupy vs TeaParty – A comparative summary”

1. 

   Russ Steele

   04 February 2012

   Well, now I am left wondering why the progressives and their lame steam press lapdogs keep telling us that there are similarities? I cannot find one similarity.

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   Douglas Keachie

   04 February 2012

   And now, how many in each group?

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   Gregory

   04 February 2012

   How many TP’ers are in Congress? How many Occupy supporters?

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   Douglas Keachie

   04 February 2012

   How many TP’ers are in Congress? How many Occupy supporters? Ask again after November. BTW every major demonstration that TPP held in Sacramento required police over time.

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   billy T

   04 February 2012

   Dr. Rebane, this is by no means a comprehensive list. Just in Oakland, you can add some things to the Occupy Yes Column and No on the Tea Party Column. For instance, throwing Bibles from the rooftops at police, smashing a 100 year old model of what old City hall used to look like, destroying a children’s art exhibit about recycling, smashing a door to a room in city hall used for counseling jobless and those wrestling with drug addiction (not to mention overturning a soda machine in the destroyed room), daily spraying graffiti on public property (which space won’t allow me to describe in detail), telling a CBS petite reporter “we kill bitches like you.”, not to mention smashing news cameras, news vans, police cars and a long list of OPP (other people’s property). Further south in the fair city of Los Angeles, police fenced off the historic fountain that has stood unmarred since the days of founding of the Pueblo de Los Angeles. Stood there for 190 years until the peaceful Occupiers threw florescent paint on it. My particular favorite occurred at the birthplace of the much revered OWS. A kindhearted soul supplied the OWS crowd with sandwiches, bagels, and pastries from her restaurant on a daily basis and even delivered goodies on her pastry cart. After showing solidarity with the gentle crowd for a spell, she stopped delivering the treats because of financial restraints. When the cart stopped coming, the OWSers went into her pastry shop and destroyed the place, including her cart, LOL. Dr. Rebane, I noticed there are 3 cases of public masturbation on the Occupy column. Two things: First, the whole OWS is one big public display of spilling the milk. Second, when has public masturbation became newsworthy? (tongue in cheek)

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   Douglas Keachie

   04 February 2012

   What is the ratio of illegal activity to perfectly legal activity? If one protest throws one brick, how many protestors never threw a brick? Being busted arrested for civil disobedience, after committing no property damage or insults to cops is a perfectly honorably way of making one’s point. See Dr. Martin Luther King as an example. Just because one soldier in Iraq murdered some innocent people, it does not mean all soldiers in Iraq murder innocent people, much as TWO teachers in one school up for molestation doe not mean that ALL school must be harboring at least one who should be.
   Again, how many Tea Party people have put in how many hours at demonstrations, vs how many OWS folks have put in how many hours at demonstrations?

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   billy T

   04 February 2012

   Good points, Doug. Yep, if Joe the Lip endorses the movement along with North Korea and Iran, who am I to cast the first worm casting? To be fair and balanced, lets see what other lefties are saying about the groundswell. http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/04/maher-to-leftover-occupy-movement-douchebags-get-a-job/

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   Paul Emery

   04 February 2012

   The Tea Party has had it’s moment in the sun and the end result will be Romney as their swordsmen against Obama. Nuff said.

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   billy T

   04 February 2012

   Remember, Hope spelled backwards is Epoh http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=epoh

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    Scott Obermuller

    04 February 2012

    Romney is the Tea Party’s swordsman? Republicans like Romney are one of the driving forces for the TP creation. They were sick and tired of RINOs and liberals running as Rs that would abandon conservative principles once they were in office. I’m not voting for Romney and I think a heavy percentage of TPers won’t either. This is the reason that the Dems want him to be the R nominee.

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    George Rebane

    04 February 2012

    BillyT – The point well made in the post and subsequent comments is that the occupiers and tea party folks are people from distinct tribes and evolved cultures. And their attempted apologists seem also to be totally removed from what the TPers consider civil behavior. Thanks for the additional insights.
    I will be wearing my TPP sweatshirt until they make it illegal public attire. I’m willing to wager that several more million in the country will be doing the same. And Scott (952pm) you are right on target.

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    Douglas Keachie

    04 February 2012

    Please list all of the arrests, etc., that have occurred at the GV/NC OWS protests. I believe the number ZERO. That is the OWS I am associated with.

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    Douglas Keachie

    04 February 2012

    But you will vote for Romney if Obama runs, and especially if Gingrich or Santorum or Palin or Bachman is in the number two slot.

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    Scott Obermuller

    05 February 2012

    I will not vote for Romney for anything. I held my nose and voted for Bush jr for re-election and it was a bitter disappointment. I will no longer vote for the lesser of evils. The R establishment likes to say that this will get Obama re-elected. Too bad. If that’s what the country wants, that’s what it will get. I think it’s the OWS crowd that will cave and vote for Obama, despite their rhetoric.

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    Todd Juvinall

    05 February 2012

    I will vote for any Republican and I consider any of them better than the present occupant. I voted for Romney last time and if he is the nominee I will do so again. We must retain the house and gain the Senate. If we have a majority there we will see policies change and I am confident Romney would support them. No person is perfect and we need to keep that in mind.
    Regarding the ost, we get to see Keachie support any prospect of similarity to make a bogus moral equivalency between the two movements. The OWS is strictly a mob though and that is the real difference. The TPP seems to be pursuing a return to sanity while the OWS is insane, Never the two too meet.
    Paul does his standard anti-any Republican screeds and once again shows us mo matter who our candidates are, he will trash them and vote for the lefty.

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    Douglas Keachie

    05 February 2012

    Regarding concealed weapon arrest. Depending on how you define that, one of the leaders of the Tea Party Patriots has added his Glock to the scrap metal division of New York City. That does sound rather arresting to me, so TP gets a “YES!” for that.
    Well, Scott, you seem to be following the pattern of Michael Allen Weiner, AKA, Michael Savage, who spent 8 months prior to Bush’s election bashing him, and then on the eve the first day in October, went “Eeeeeek a Gore!” and flip flopped.

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17. 

    Russ Steele

    05 February 2012

    Douglas
    You were looking for a Tea Party Democrat. HERE is one that will destroy your Tea Party stereotyping.
    I liked his operation counteract, write in anyone but Obama. Enjoy!

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    Douglas Keachie

    05 February 2012

    And in ocunterpoint to Russ’s Blue Dogs, I submit the most extreme lefty upbring and laater life orientation you could imagine, coupled in with innovative engineering, flying, etc, and helping to win WWII.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_and_Sigurd_Varian

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    A Facebook User

    05 February 2012

    While I appreciate the list, Americans need to debate issue on which we disagree and fix issues upon which we clearly agree. TPP and OWS cross paths on one distinct issue – no more bailouts. If a something is too big to fail, then it is too big. On this issue (which is a rather large issue), we could and should work hand in hand.

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    George Rebane

    05 February 2012

    BarryP 1104am – I wasn’t aware that the OWS promoted a broad-based ‘no more bailouts’ policy. My understanding is that they apply it only to the corporate world, but promote the financial equivalent of bailouts to favored classes of individuals, certain NGOs, unions (especially public service), and so on. The OWS is one of more virulent left factions that believes in the famous French fallacy of ‘liberte, egalite, fraternite’, having no clue that a government’s attempt to impose these by force destroys all three.

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    Paul Emery

    05 February 2012

    Todd
    I would give serious thought to voting for Ron Paul if he was the Repub candidate but of course that will never happen because the Republican establishment, controlled by special money interests, won’t allow it.
    I’m inclined to vote against Republicrats this time around. I’m leaning towards Gary Johnson, Libertarian former Governor of New Mexico http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/front or Rocky Anderson, former Mayor of Salt Lake City running on the Justice Party http://www.voterocky.org/ They have different views but in my opinion are men of integrity and are independent of special interest control.
    Imagine the change that would come if we just had the courage to vote anything but Democrat or Republican next time around? All it would take is just one cycle to dump the Republicrats and build a new government based on integrity and independence and would truly support the Constitution and the people of our nation. Just one vote, one time would do it. Amazing how simple it would be.

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22. 

    billy T

    05 February 2012

    Good news!! Only 11 people were arrested at Occupy DC rally and only 4 (only four) were arrested for assault on police officers. One gentle sympathizer showed his passion by hitting a police officer in the face with a brick. Last night the Occupy Oakland crowd of 100 (that’s one hundred humans) went peacefully, compared to 2 weeks ago when over 400 were arrested. I detect a trend pointing to the OWS groundswell cleaning up their act. Soon they won’t even make the news. They might even act like adults in civil society in a nation ruled by laws. Seems after Obama got elected. the media was full of interesting commentaries that the Republican Party was destined to become a small regional party (i.e., white NASCAR loving beer bellied rednecks from the Deep South, aka racists). It will take the Republican Party 20 years to recover from the dust bin of history. But, this astro-turf Taxed Enough Already movement reared its ugly head and instead of the Recovery Tour in the late Spring of 2009, we got the Town Hall Summer. Comparing hitting a cop in the face with a brick at an Occupy Protest to a Tea Party member arrested for a class 3 misdemeanor away from a Tea Party function is like comparing…er….comparing an OWS demonstration to a Tea Party rally. http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/story/2012-02-05/occupy-dc/52973316/1

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23. 

    George Rebane

    05 February 2012

    billyT 0100pm – you are priceless!

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24. 

    Scott Obermuller

    05 February 2012

    Doug – In the last general I voted for Alan Keyes. I knew good and well what Obama was but I voted for the person that I thought was best to be the president. I could have voted as you suggested. Just vote for the non-Obama that has the best opportunity to win.
    Remember, it was the OWS 99% that elected Obama and will re-elect him.

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    Paul Emery

    05 February 2012

    Well done Scott. I’m a newcomer to the anyone but a Republicrat movement. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil and that is what got us to where we are today.
    Todd “I’ll vote for any Republican…” Juvinall is the perfect chump for the ruling class that depends on well controlled drones to deliver the leadership necessary to perpetuate their control.

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    Todd Juvinall

    05 February 2012

    PaulE, “I’ll vote for any loser in perpetuity” is the perfect chump for a obsolete belief system. When the dust settles I’ll at least have worked for a cause and helped elect someone with a similar philosophy. PaulE will return to the radio kiosk as a loser once again. I still have not been able to see clearly the PaulE automaton (since no human can meet his criteria) candidate he can input to with his software. I’d say he is an Obama man. That is the closest human to PaulE’s plastic thinking. Now back to the Superbowl!

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27. 

    Douglas Keachie

    05 February 2012

    TV news, fair and balanced, at least for the “and I believe it, and that’s it” crowd:
    

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    Scott Obermuller

    05 February 2012

    So Keachie damns FOX news by displaying a fabricated story. Well done! Gee, could you provide any ACTUAL false reporting of the news by FOX? I watch many different news sources and FOX is clearly ahead of all the others by what they include as well as the accuracy of their reporting. Perfect? No, just a lot better. The libs don’t like FOX because they run stories the lame stream is sitting on or just unaware of. FOX can be just as clueless sometimes as the lame stream when reporting some events. You have to have all of the news sources you can to try to ascertain the truth.

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29. 

    Paul Emery

    05 February 2012

    Todd
    I don’t think voting Libertarian or Justice Party or for other independent candidates is at all obsolete and I’m sure my colleagues of that persuasion will be offended by your desperate and empty response to my conviction that neither the Republicans or Democrats deserve to maintain their monopoly of power in this country.
    In fact while most Tea Party activists tend to vote Republican many are searching for alternatives because they also agree that continuing on this path is hopeless.
    What is the “cause ” of the Republican or Democratic Party other than to maintain the ruling class that uses them as a vehicle for influence? Show me where there is a significance difference in the Bush or Obama administrations other than leaning slightly to the left or right. They both supported bailouts and maintained illegal wars at taxpayer expense and mushroomed the National Debt. Do you really think Romney is the answer?

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30. 

    Michael Kesti

    05 February 2012

    I sincerely encourage you to vote for an independent candidate for POTUS next November, Paul, just as I have for the previous five such elections.

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31. 

    Paul Emery

    06 February 2012

    Yes Michael
    Imagine the uproar if a large majority did that.

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32. 

    Paul Emery

    06 February 2012

    and welcome to the Todd Juvinall loser club

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33. 

    Douglas Keachie

    06 February 2012

    The problem with the whole political scheme is that basically, no matter what you do, even if your guy wins, the rest of the country can and will slow down much progress being made. So kick back and let your, “If I ran the Zoo,” fantasies run wild.
    President _ Bill Moyers
    Veep Bill Maher
    Sec of Health and Human Services Chris Rock
    Department of Defense Clint Eastwood
    Dept of Agriculture Willie Nelson
    Dept of Homeland Security Paladin
    Dept of Commerce Jeff Bezos
    Department of Transportation Any astronaut. They have the proper global perspective
    Secretary of the Treasury Toss up Larry Ellison or Warren Buffet 2 very different but very effective outlooks
    Head of ABC, Jimmi Buffet
    Head of FBI, Adrian Lamo
    Department of Education George Lucas
    Dept of Energy, the incumbent, Dr. Steven Chu
    Why is there no Department of Science? It could be a very simple Department. Projects that have been peer reviewed as viable are all put into a glass bowl as tags. Tags are drawn until the budge run out. I don’t think you could accuse the governmemt of screwing that simple a process up.
    NASA, whoever has a fire in their belly to beat the Chinese to Mars, this is going to be far worse than Sputnik.

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34. 

    Todd Juvinall

    06 February 2012

    PaulE, I get to win with my candidates and philosophy while you are attached to a 100% losing philosophy and set of candidates in every election. I would suggest you are simply a frustrated voter who is stuck in a loser rut with no hope. You then lash out at we who kick you to the sidelines, politically speaking, in every race.
    Instead of being the whiner you appear to be, why don’t you set aside you sniping and get into the fray? When one looks at Britain, they have a gazillion political party’s yet two and possible three (liberals in a small way) are the one’s the English put into power. Been that way for hundreds of years.
    The world belongs to those that show up and vote. With a 30-35% turnout I suspect those you love to hate will be in power in perpetuity.
    So get off you butt, organize a movement to reflect your politics and go for it. Oh, too much trouble eh? Easier to sit on the sidelines and snipe at the doers?
    I must say you are certainly all about complaining and never doing. You are the epitome of a political loser.

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35. 

    Douglas Keachie

    06 February 2012

    Scott, you can lie by omission and choices of stories to cover. Sex deviant teachers, scream it from the rafters! Same thing and others just as bad in corporate American, nary a peep. Corporate American wants to replace lower graDE PUBLIC SCHOOLS, AND OPEN THE DOORS WIDE AT the once public universities, to maintain control, and save money, all done under the guise of, “it’s the teachers/unions/administrators fault,” when in fact it is the homelife provided by the parent(s) or guardians who subsist on the SALARIES the corporations are willing to pay, or the wlefare they will allow, which is as little as possible.

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    Douglas Keachie

    06 February 2012

    Attitudes are also shaped by corporate America trying to get everyone to feel inadequate unless they own an XYZ and they hammer that notion into the noggins of parents and kids day and night. No wonder the cultural values brought from abroad are stronger. They haven’t had enough time yet to be totally chopped away. Thanks for the self fullfilling prophesies, corp America!

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37. 

    George Rebane

    06 February 2012

    I haven’t yet read Andrew Rosen’s change.edu, but it appears to suggest some very workable next steps for the curing of our approach to higher education.
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204879004577110970031199712.html

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    Paul Emery

    06 February 2012

    It’s far easier to do what you do and vote straight party without any considerations for the consequence of your vote. The fact is we’ll both be losers this fall, you with Romney and me with a third party choice.

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39. 

    Gregory

    06 February 2012

    Paul, assuming one has chosen a party that is aligned with their political views, voting a straight party ticket isn’t a bad idea.
    The idiot or crook who managed to be on the ballot for your party, for whatever the office, will cooperate with the good guys your party has in office and your desired outcomes will generally be the goal. The genius saint from the party that is the compass pointing south will almost always be heading in the wrong direction.
    I expect the Republicans on the ballot are always preferable for Todd over the Dems, Greens, P&F or even Libertarian. So Todd is being rational. Imagine that.

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    Paul Emery

    06 February 2012

    The bottom line is Todd Juvinall would rather support a party controlled by special interest money than an independent that would answer to the people first. I guess that makes him a winner and all the other “anyone but Republicrats” losers.
    There are only two independents in Congress one of them Liberman who sleeps with both sides.

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    Gregory

    06 February 2012

    It isn’t a special interest if it’s your interest.
    Face it, he’s a conservative, the Republican Party’s core is conservatives and if he’s voting Republican, he really is supporting the party that answers to his people.
    Dems, P&F, Green… them parties push the special interests Republicans dislike.
    Really, Paul, I’m not writing anything that should be news to you.

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42. 

    Todd Juvinall

    07 February 2012

    PaulE reflects a political loser in our country and there is nothing anyone can do to help the poor fellow. When you constantly bash your head against the wall and expect the wall to fall over you must have a severe complex of some sort. I have been a lifelong R and have thrown my hat in the ring a few times to try and make a difference. Maybe I have, maybe I haven’t, depends on which side you may be on. But, at the end of the day I was able to achieve a few things for the citizens and I have no regrets. PaulE is unable to say he has accomplished anything except maybe perfecting the negatory. No, I would rather win a few things important to me rather than none.
    Ironic isn’t it that the PaulE’s of the world are always screaming “bi-partisan” is the way things should be yet he and his ilk are the most partisan of all.

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43. 

    Douglas Keachie

    07 February 2012

    Scott, are you aware of Fox’s DNA?
    http://tarpley.net/2010/09/30/in-1932-fox-helped-make-propaganda-films-for-hitler/

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44. 

    George Rebane

    07 February 2012

    DougK 912am – apparently you are aware of “Fox’s DNA”. Pray tell what conclusions do you draw from that contractual arrangement by a corporation 80 years removed from currency?

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45. 

    Douglas Keachie

    07 February 2012

    Hey George, more “sand in the air.” It’s making the rounds on Leftyish Facebook circles.

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46. 

    Gregory

    07 February 2012

    Let’s shut down Planned Parenthood: through founder Margaret Sanger, it’s direct DNA is eugenics (they’ve killed more black babies than the Klan or the Nazis ever dreamed of) and rampant promiscuity… not just the clientele… Sanger was, ummm, a liberated bedhopper long before it became socially acceptable in some circles.
    The nutcase Keachie is relying on sounds a lot like Keachie; a LaRouchie conspiracy theorist given to Brownian Logic. If he can imagine it and it fits his worldview, it must be true.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webster_Tarpley

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    Douglas Keachie

    07 February 2012

    I feel very old all the sudden. Look where social sciences has gone now. A live stream interactive cloud of what people reading The Economist as looking at now.
    http://www.economist.com/conversation-cloud?days=1
    When you realize that Google now knows your geographic range (that pesky GPS Droid Phone software attachment), topics that interest you (I keep getting ads for hearing aids, I already bought that last month!) based on your searches, and God knows what else, you really feel cornered. Must get to Linux and get Google off the damn Droid!

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48. 

    Douglas Keachie

    07 February 2012

    “The nutcase Keachie is relying on sounds a lot like Keachie;”
    I think Greg meant to say, “The nutcase Keachie is relying on sounds a lot like Tarpley;”
    If Tarpley was onto anything, don’t you think he would have been dead long ago? Entertainment for some, I suppose, maybe the likes of Greg, but I’d never heard of him before, and no, I don’t think the WTC came down with explosives concealed ahead of time.
    I did conceive of an anti-terrorist device for the Atlanta games. Garbage cans, with very solid sides, and a loosely attached bottom. If someone suspects a package, can is upended and placed over package, briefcase, etc., until bomb squad can check it out. Hope is to reduce schrapnel, by directing forces upwards. Greg may now explain why this could never, ever, possibly work.
    Garbage cans are ubiquitous at such events.

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    Gregory

    07 February 2012

    No Keach, I wrote what I meant to write. Your “logic” is quite comparable to Tarpley’s.

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50. 

    Douglas Keachie

    07 February 2012

    Your logic is faulty Greg. You have defamed me by saying I am relying on Tarpley. I’d never even heard of him. So, you lied. What else is new?
    

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