140 responses to “Mark Meckler’s CCW Arrest”

1. 

   Gregory

   18 December 2011

   The so-called “Steve Enos” can sign in using an ID that says Steve Enos if he cares to. Forced to sign in using an authorization from a third party, I’ve found it is using my first name as the display. You apparently chose one that identifies you as “D”. C’est la vie, schmuck. Turnabout is fair play.
   And for the effervescent “Keachie”, identifying my “condition” as “paranoid” does move the adverb to noun, as well as being a continuing defamation. Par for your course, too.
   Back to the subject of Meckler’s arrest for possession of a handgun locked in a TSA approved container, I’d not be surprised if it was hoped to be a test of the laws involved.

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   Douglas Keachie

   18 December 2011

   And I’ll not be surprised to learn that it was arrogance causing a lemondump, and an attempt to claim credit for inadvertantly setting up an opportunity for a lemonade stand.

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   Douglas Keachie

   18 December 2011

   Greg is so paranoid he thinks even the grammar police are after him, as well they might be. Under no conditions is paranoid an adverb>
   par·a·noid/ˈparəˌnoid/
   Adjective:
   Of, characterized by, or suffering from the mental condition of paranoia.
   Noun:
   A person who is paranoid.
   Synonyms:
   adjective. paranoiac
   noun. paranoiac
   Since I said you were “too paranoid” is is still an adjective, and not a noun. I have never said you “are” a paranoid.

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4. 

   Gregory

   18 December 2011

   Keach, when did you stop using socks in the blogosphere? “Never” seems to be most likely.

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5. 

   John Galt

   18 December 2011

   Thanks Doug. ( I forgot to add extra space around the parentheses. ) [I fixed the link in the above comment. FYI, you don’t have to use HTML to program a link into these comments. Just insert the URL as is with space delimiters on each end. gjr]
   I’m glad to know you don’t support New Your CITY’s law. It’s WAY beyond reasonable protections.

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6. 

   Douglas Keachie

   18 December 2011

   Well Greg, now that, as I predicted, they are going to use social media info to determine credit ratings, I’ll probably drop out of sight altogether, except for my wealthier friends, and carry on my Socklyhoodness from a very anonymized account. You of course will recognize the writing style and content, but the names will change to keep ahead of our ever vigilant corporate and government Big Bother agencies.

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7. 

   George Rebane

   18 December 2011

   DougK – in reading your recent comments I’ve had to do a couple of double takes. Am I missing something something, or are you showing more of your libertarian side here, or is this just a seasonal sentiment? 😉

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   Gregory

   18 December 2011

   George, that isn’t a libertarian streak coming from Keach, just his usual paranoia. A psychosis for all seasons.

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   Douglas Keachie

   18 December 2011

   Greg, shuckin and jiven and changing the subject as usual, and not answering the original question, “just how did that plane come down intact?”

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10. 

    Gregory

    18 December 2011

    Keach, if you want an engineering analysis, you either have to wait for me to be interested, or pay me. Cash or Paypal?
    “Steve Enos”, an apparent “former Deputy Sheriff and former federal law enforcement officer” has a hard time not conflating CCW reciprocity and lawful possession issues. Meckler ran afoul of the NYC possession law. There is no evidence Meckler, a person I’ve never met, has ever illegally carried a weapon concealed on his person, in NYC, in NY state, or in any other state.
    Assume I don’t have a CCW in CA or any other state. A good assumption. IF I had a handgun, I could put it in the same box Meckler was using, in a suitcase, in the locked trunk of my car, and legally drive through every state and city in the country. Even NYC.
    Meckler was arrested for standing on NYC soil and declaring he had a gun in his possession, in his luggage, properly secured per TSA regulation. Period. It has nothing to do with CCW reciprocity or anything related to CCW laws nationwide.

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11. 

    D

    19 December 2011

    Gregory, read my Posted by: D | 16 December 2011 at 05:28 PM as it covers the CCW vs. unlawful possession issues for NYC.
    And once again Gregory… what’s you full name? Why hide?
    Steve Enos

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12. 

    Gregory

    19 December 2011

    At this point, Enos, it’s enough that it ticks you off. None of the ‘regulars’ have a problem with it.
    You’ve always been a reactionary Dem over at Cartman’s blog, and you took this Meckler kerfuffle as an invitation to pile on. Your attack was so off-base on the law that your law enforcement background seems puzzling… did you so misunderstand the law when you were enforcing it?

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    D

    19 December 2011

    “Cartman’s blog”??? No idea who or what “Cartman’s blog” is Gregory.
    And what’s your full name? Don’t you have the spine to use your full name here?
    George has posted in the past the posts by those that post here without using their name are useless and should be ignored… I agree with George as it fits you as you hide in the bushes.

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14. 

    D

    19 December 2011

    Note: the 08:45 post above was made by me… Steve Enos

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15. 

    Gregory

    19 December 2011

    “As anyone that has undertaken the California CCW permit classes and application review process knows having a Cali CCW permit doesn’t get you approved to have or carry in most every other state.” D- 16Dec11 11:44M
    The “approved to have” law is the 2nd Amendment, and it covers all 50
    “So how many times did Meckler carry into other states illegally? Looks like Meckler has been violating gun laws in a number of states…”all across the country, more times than I can count””
    It appears you also misunderstand basic grammar and sentence construction, since the “more times than I can count” was clearly regarding his lawfully declaring a firearm to the airline ticketing agent.

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16. 

    D

    19 December 2011

    Sorry “Gregory” but no real name when you post here means no value to your post.
    Steve Enos

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    Gregory

    19 December 2011

    Sorry, D, but a “Steve Enos” means no value to the post.

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18. 

    Gregory

    19 December 2011

    I thought a Nevada County regular would remember the super obese Jeff Pelline was royally pissed off that RL Crabb chose the Eric Cartman character when lampooning Pelline’s ugly and divisive blog antics.
    Jeff’s feelings were hurt because Bob chose a fat character to portray him. So sad.

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19. 

    Paul Emery

    19 December 2011

    So blogsters what restrictions on the possession of concealed firearms do you feel are acceptable under the 2nd Amendment? Who should administer those restrictions State, Federal, County or City?

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20. 

    Todd Juvinall

    19 December 2011

    PaulE, the Second Amendment applies as a enumerated power across every state. How do you define it?

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21. 

    Gregory

    19 December 2011

    Paul, the issue here isn’t “concealed firearms”, because under the law, the gun Meckler had wasn’t “concealed”.
    I believe there are now three states where any adult who may legally possess a firearm (leaving out felons and the mentally ill) may carry a concealed weapon, usually meaning a handgun ready to be used but hidden in clothing. Alaska, Arizona and the rough and tumble Vermont. How is it working out there? Is one safer in New York City, Sacramento, Chicago, or Montpelier?
    I think a key factor in one’s thinking on this is whether one sees firearms ownership and use (ie keeping and bearing) as a privilege conferred by the state on the worthy, or a basic right held as a citizen of the state.

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22. 

    Gregory

    19 December 2011

    To clarify, the three states mentioned don’t require a permit. If you’re a law abiding competent adult, you can legally carry a 44 Magnum concealed under that Speedo. However, just as in the other 47 states (54 if you use Obama’s counting), if you use it you are fully liable for your actions which the gun crowd calls “being judged by twelve rather than carried by six”.

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23. 

    DondiMaus

    19 December 2011

    Gregory Goodknight, west of the Willo.
    EeekaMaus!

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24. 

    Gregory

    19 December 2011

    Todd, the 2nd isn’t an ‘enumerated power’. The first 10 Amendments are, if you will, enumerated weaknesses. Specific areas where power is withheld from the Federal Government. Rights retained by the people or the States.

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25. 

    DondiMaus

    19 December 2011

    It has not appeared to penetrated the think bone mass possessed by Gregory, that Mother Nature blesses different folks with different genetic strokes, and that those who got lucky in the gene pool lottery ought to be civilized enough and educated enough to appreciate what they have, and not to make fun of those who drew the shorter straws. Behaving otherwise might indicate a few straws short in the grey matter department of our Gregory scarecrow. “if I only had a brain” is not limited to “The Wizard of Oz.”

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26. 

    Todd Juvinall

    19 December 2011

    Greg you are correct. Me bad. The BOR is kind of the people’s enumerated rights.

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27. 

    Todd Juvinall

    19 December 2011

    Go getum Gregory. I think another sock puppet is after you.

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28. 

    John Galt

    19 December 2011

    Paul,
    I don’t have CCW permit, but I know people that do, and I’m familiar with the requirements which are:
    1) Show good cause/need (Such as threats on one’s life.)
    2) Pass background check (employment, medical, judicial).
    3) Complete 8 hour gun safety course (which includes education on legal use of firearms.)
    Permit applicants agree to not be under the influence of drugs (even prescription drugs) or alcohol consumption when carrying their concealed weapon. They also agree to use their firearm as “an
    absolute last line of defense.” Permit holders are required to disclose their firearm before boarding any civil airplane. This is just a small sampling of the provisions that CCW permits agree to.
    The following are prohibited from receiving a CCW permit: Juveniles, Felons, Narcotic users, Mentally impaired, certain persons under indictment, etc. (In summary, CCW permits holders are likely to be the most responsible of all firearm holders.)
    So to answer your question: Many responsible gun owners do NOT have a CCW permit primarily because most don’t feel the need to carry a concealed weapon. But gun owners generally agree that if there is a justified need–and prudent requirement are met (such as above), the county sheriff or city police chief should issue the permit.
    Once someone has a CCW permit, there should be general reciprocity throughout the nation.
    The problem with New York CITY’s law is that the city requires a permit to merely possess a firearm (even in your own home.) This clearly an overstepping of the 2nd amendment and in conflict with the recent US Supreme Court decision Columbia v. Heller and the preceding US Court of Appeals decision Parker v. District of Columbia.

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29. 

    Douglas Keachie

    19 December 2011

    Since using a gun is a “last resort” it might be a great idea to require a service dog as a first resort, for those who are worried about being attacked. The odds are you are not going to be called out into the middle of Broad Street at high noon for a shootout. The odds are you will be stalked and accosted from behind, by someone who has the drop on you. Haviong a dog along would greatly reduce the odds of this happening, which I gather is the whole point of having a CCW in the first place. Without a CCW, I regular have one of our dogs in my truck when traveling in town at night.

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30. 

    Gregory

    19 December 2011

    Curb your Keachie.
    “John Galt”, you’re describing a “MAY issue” permit process. “Shall issue” states are by far the majority, with the no CCW permit required growing from the original Vermont to include Alaska, Arizona and now Montana. Arizona shares a border with SoCal, and our other neighbors Oregon and Nevada are both Shall Issue states.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rtc.gif
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rtc.gif

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31. 

    Gregory

    19 December 2011

    Please note that, as of 2011, the only two states west of New York that either forbid CCW entirely or make a citizen beg for one are Illinois and California.

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32. 

    John Galt

    19 December 2011

    FYI, In NY City a dog license is required to possess/own a dog as well. NYC has no reciprocal arrangements with other jurisdictions.
    However, if your dog bites a person, the owner can be arrested for a misdemeanor (Class A misdemeanor if your dog is of a breed typically used for protection.)
    NYC also has some unusual leash laws as well.
    Currently NYC has no special regulations for concealed dogs (i.e. purse dogs.)
    Police departments throughout the nation are encouraging dog ownership (in addition to owning a firearm) in light of their budget reductions and increased crime.
    FYI, a concealed weapons permit is not required within one’s home.

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33. 

    D

    19 December 2011

    John’s 11:26 post that… “New York City’s law is that the city requires a permit to merely possess a firearm (even in your own home.)” is 100% correct. It’s a NYC law that so far has been upheld by the courts, thus it is the law of the land for NYC, right or wrong, it’s still the current law in NYC.
    In Meckler’s case he went to and was in NYC for four days, he brought a firearm into NYC. This is the violation and it was “discovered” at the airport, within NYC.
    In addition, the interstate transport provision of the FOPA requires that the firearm must be legal in both departure and arrival points of the travel. Meckler didn’t meet this requirement as he went to and stayed in NYC for a number of days.
    In addition Meckler wasn’t doing a “travel through” NYC. He brought the firearm INTO NYC, was there for four days and had the firearm with him in some fashion while in NYC for those four days… that’s the violation of NYC law.
    Understand (as George and Russ well know) that I am a strong supporter of firearms rights and A2. I’m opposed to most of the every increasing regulations in California applied to firearms, ammunition and the 10 round magazine capacity regulations too. BUT, change the firearms rules and until then follow them and don’t violate them, be a responsible firearms owner. This is even more critical if one is a CCW holder.

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    D

    19 December 2011

    John, one can also legally have a loaded firearm in ones parked RV or camper or even tent in California if it’s your residence/”temporary residence” but can’t have one loaded inside the RV or camper while it’s mobile because then it’s a vehicle.

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35. 

    Todd Juvinall

    19 December 2011

    Greg, I think “D” said he was Steven B. nos supposedly a ex deputy and/or parks enforcer. Of course there appears to be no record of a Steven B. Enos except one that had a bunch of liens and owes the State an Feds a whole lot of money. I wonder if that is the same person?
    Anyway, I’ll defer the information given by Galt and Gregory on this one. Steven B, Enos, AKA “D” appears to have a personal problem with Meckler so is disqualified.

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36. 

    Todd Juvinall

    19 December 2011

    Steven B. Enos, oops, sorry.

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37. 

    D

    19 December 2011

    Georeg… why do you allow Todd to post his endless, off topic, wrong, personal BS here?
    No standards?
    Steve Enos

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38. 

    Todd Juvinall

    19 December 2011

    So are you Steven B. Enos?

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39. 

    Gregory

    19 December 2011

    Parks? That’s a rough job, you never know when some desperado might try to overstay on their 5 day pass.

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40. 

    D

    19 December 2011

    Todd read my 16 December 2011 at 11:49 AM post. Under the new login system I am using it shows my ID as “D” for some yet to be corrected reason. I have explained this a number of times here and I’m trying to get that changed/corrected, but I have been posting my full name with these posts, as above clearly shows.
    And as I have provided a number of times Todd, I’m a former California Deputy Sheriff and former Federal drug enforcement officer (MERT team member).
    Is it possible to stay on topic?

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41. 

    D

    19 December 2011

    The above “D” post was made by me, Steve Enos. I am also providing the following video link:
    Watch Meckler run!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOO_8p_ZeUY

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42. 

    Gregory

    19 December 2011

    Marijuana Eradication and Reconnaissance Team (MERT), impressive. I’m sure that imparted a deep understanding of civil rights and the fine points of firearms law.

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43. 

    Todd Juvinall

    19 December 2011

    So “D”, answer the question. Are you Steven B. Enos?

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44. 

    Gregory

    19 December 2011

    Todd, you’re missing the point… “D” thinks this is a ‘we can finally get rid of Meckler’ thread and not a ‘let’s point out Steve Enos’ shortcomings in thought and deed’ thread.
    Enos, over the last few years I’ve noticed you’re one of the pettiest partisan putzes in Nevada County, and your partisan putziness is in full flower here. Your first post above is full of half truths and misconceptions as you smelled blood in the water and thought you’d be circling for an easy kill. Apparently not.

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45. 

    D

    19 December 2011

    Meckler’s NYC gun issue is really simple:
    Meckler wasn’t doing a “travel through” NYC. He brought the firearm INTO NYC, was there for four days and had the firearm with him in some fashion while in NYC for those four days… that’s the violation of NYC law.
    I’m betting it ends up in a fine and loss of the firearm and a loss of Meckler’s California CCW permit. Heck it was only a Glock. I say go with Springfield, a long time USA Company!
    Would be interesting knowing what the capacity of the magazine(s) Meckler had with him considering in Cali we have a 10 round capacity law.
    I don’t like the NYC gun laws, but I don’t live in NYC. So far the courts have upheld the NYC gun laws, so the law is the law and it needs to be followed until it is revised.
    I’m opposed to most of the every increasing regulations in California applied to firearms, ammunition and the 10 round magazine capacity regulations too. BUT, change the firearms rules and until then follow them and don’t violate them, be a responsible firearms owner. This is even more critical if one is a CCW holder.
    The topic is firearms laws and Meckler’s arrest so please stay on topic and stop with the off topic personal BS.
    Thank you
    Posted by Steve Enos

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    Todd Juvinall

    19 December 2011

    Gregory, excellent analysis of “D”. Many of us have had to read his tripe and partisan crap for a long time. When pointed out he whines and pouts. In this thread he has proven that he is a true paper tiger on the Second Amendment. His hate for Meckler and Tea Party Patriots (as evidenced by so many f his posts) outweighs his desire to be bi-partisan on the Second. That shows the utter pettiness of the left and why they cannot be trusted.
    Again “D”. Are you Steven B. Enos? And why is that hard to answer?

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47. 

    Gregory

    19 December 2011

    Todd, “D” even gets California law wrong… higher capacity magazines are no longer importable into California and cannot be sold, but if you have them they remain legal to use and possess. Of course, some idiot in law enforcement (unfortunately, as we have seen here some do exist, if only for a time before they’re shown the door) can still make your life miserable.

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48. 

    Gregory

    19 December 2011

    If the idiot is curious, the Cal OAG link is here:
    http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs#9

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49. 

    John Galt

    19 December 2011

    Steve,
    Has it been established that Mark was in NY CITY continuously for all four days with the firearm? Do we know where his overnight lodgings were or what his itinerary was?
    If not, then I think your assumptions are premature.
    Landing in a NYC airport doesn’t in itself mean a stay in NY CITY.

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    D

    20 December 2011

    John, that would be a yes. Meckler has stated he had been in NYC for four days and was back at the NYC airport to fly to Detroit.
    Meckler did not just land at NYC to pass through to another place, if so he would have not had a legal issue in NYC. Meckler went to NYC for “business” and had stayed there for four days before he returned to the NYC airoport to fly to Detroit…per Meckler’s own statements.

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