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Mr Ben Emery is a regular RR reader who vigorously defends his Left/liberal ideology in these pages.  He recently issued a complaint about the content, viewpoint, and perhaps the form of this weblog.  His general lament is that RR’s scope of topics is too narrow and doesn’t cover the substance of the ideas discussed.   I believe his comments deserve a more extended answer that may also be of interest to other readers of this weblog.  This follows BenE’s complaint repeated below, which is also his ‘8nov11 09:12 AM’ comment to ‘The Liberal Mind – How much socialist, before being a ‘Socialist’?’.


Basically the content on this blog is how Socialists don't get it. In Socialist it means anybody left of the tea party.

It is very tiring to have the same dialogue no matter what issue is being discussed. It degrades into partisan politics and generic broad brush ad hominems almost 100% of the time.
 
Seriously, can you please try and have a real discussion on what are democracy/ republic/democratic republic are and what is their importance or downfalls.
 
I'm pretty sure that most people in the US don't have any real idea what the differences are outside of saying someone is a communist, fascist, or anarchist. Supporting democracy doesn't make someone left or a communist but at RR it is implied. For that matter what is a capitalist? I talk to people all the time who work low wage grunt labor jobs who claim they are a capitalist. I ask them "A capitalist in the fact that you support capitalism or that you personally are a capitalist?" More times than not they say the latter or both. I know this plays into your point that people don't have the intellect to understand what they are voting on. If we actually had a government that represented the people instead of special interests we would have a system that had real news, schools that worked, and an economy where a vast majority of the people would have enough. None of these are the case and it is due to the fact everything in our government is controlled by these special interests distorting their policies.
 
Ben 912am – I truly regret that you have such a narrow view of RR's subject matter and the way that I select/treat topics.  I hope that you are not confusing my words with those of other readers in the comment streams – we all see the world from a different angle.  Even though RR is of a conservative/libertarian bent, as an older technician with a range of interests, and one who has seen quite a bit of the world in widely different forms, I try to keep the subject matter more than less eclectic.

RR is now a collection of over 1,250 posts to which almost 17,000 comments have been appended in the four years that this weblog has been published.  If you do even a cursory review of the categories and pieces posted herein, you will see a wide variety of topics, many of which have indeed covered in depth the important issues that you list.  In the current pieces I do my best to cite my previous writings as appropriate, but I don’t always succeed.  Therefore I do invite readers to use RR’s search function in the upper left column to find what has been said previously herein by me and my readers.  Sometimes I have found that Google search does even a better job when you use ‘keyword1, keyword2, …, george rebane (or) rebane's ruminations’.

All of this material is still valid and a matter of record to be dissected, disputed, and deconstructed by one and all.  I especially would like to have readers discover inconsistencies/errors in my ideology and credo (the tenets of which appear infrequently in snippets, see below).  And I challenge you to find many blogs that go to the pains to define and debate meanings of commonly mis/used terms and ideas as you will find on RR – and more such semantic surgeries are always invited.

As for the direction that comment streams may take – and also the issue-specific comment threads that fan out from these streams – I cannot or will not control.  As long as the discussion remains semi-civil (and it’s been getting better over the years), I feel that they should continue at the pleasure of my readers.  From what I observe in the local blogosphere, RR does provide a unique forum for those who at least attempt to penetrate my sometimes dense prose.  So again, please don’t mistake the topics and the taken tacks of other readers for what I write.  And, to mix a metaphor, most certainly don’t put unwritten words in my mouth, as a techie and former pedagogue I try to be precise.  Supplying implied and contrary meanings is a source of unwanted and unwarranted heat which I have frequently addressed in posts and comments.

Having said that, I believe that the world in these pre-Singularity years is heading for an epochal change, the aftermath of which does not guarantee the survival of Homo Sapiens.  (See tag line in RR banner.)  And in these years we are witnessing the inevitable resurrection of worldwide collectivism as technology accelerates and widens the gulf between those who can and those who can't or won't.

My own education and experience guide me to ascribe the most plausible cause of human misery to the attempted application of collective forms of governance at scales too large to support a salutary quality of life for earth’s populations.  The systems sciences teach us that such 'systems' cannot survive when applied to the human condition.  (Its Pareto optimal operating point is at a low level of aggregate wealth production.)  And in corroboration, these attempts at over-collectivization have exhibited all the predicted modes of failure, and continue to do so a fortiori with every passing day as the world becomes more interconnected.  Nevertheless, this proposition is a (the?) major source of contention and a topic of intense interest in the ongoing debate between the educated Left and Right.  Apparently that is why we find so much of it today during an epochal time in our nation’s history.

Finally, I am also a transcendentalist, but fashioned in a perhaps unique form that demands spirit and science fly in tight formation.  I believe in aseity and, from our human perspective, in the existence of an asei God.  Some may prefer to call God the Universal Intelligence, Prime Mover, …, but you get the idea.  The cosmos – all that is and that can be studied scientifically (e.g. Princeton’s John A. Wheeler) – is part of the ‘Game of God’, in the sense of the Srimad Bhagavatam (q.v.).

In the cohort of other scientists of similar persuasion, this demands that my credo includes the notions of an intelligent creation and purposive (teleological) maintenance of the very space in our universe as the substrate of all existence (not to be confused with the ‘spot creation’ taught by fundamentalist religions).  We are not the only sapient and/or sentient life in the cosmos.  Sapient, and perhaps even sentient, critters exist in manifolds (spaces) that are more complex and highly dimensioned than supported by our visible universe.  That makes us have the potential of transcendence as an alternative to oblivion.  I pay obeisance to all this as a Christian, albeit one which many of my fellow Christians will view with a disapprovingly gimlet eye.

I overexpose my readers to all this because it is the provenance of my interpretations of all that I experience, and thus might better illuminate my insights (delusions?), and invite a better understanding and/or contention of their merits.  Further details will be provided as interest warrants.

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101 responses to “A Reader’s Complaint Answered”

  1. Ben Emery Avatar

    RL,
    I believe that is something like what Athenian Democracy looked like.

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  2. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    BenE are you privy to the page views of my blog? If not then you have no clue now many people read it. But dream on. You are simply a liberal bloviator who just pumps out words. You are correct you would be the opposite of my blog’s philosophy. Mine stands for freedom and individual rights, your would be big government and slavery. Good call.

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  3. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    FACT: SOCIALISM IS FAILING AROUND THE GLOBE AS I TYPE…

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  4. George Rebane Avatar

    Yes Mikey, but that does not mean that it isn’t being constantly ‘reinvented’ and retried in countless places high and low. Socialism’s failures are successfully ascribed to ‘older versions’ and purposely mislabeled applications or simply swept under the rug by the lamestream. The perennial message is that ‘socialism works and next time we’ll get it right’.

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  5. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    Ben, your (mis)understanding of the political spectrum is scary. To even remotely insinuate that republicans are fascists shows your ignorance/hate.
    It is the libertarians who’s constitutional republic strives to empower the individual while your idolatry of government requires government/democratic force (fascism?).
    You promote an unequitable tax system, you force SS and medicare upon individuals (why not offer the choice?), etc. It is the fascist elitists who sell themselves as a friend of ‘labor’ from atop their ivory tower.

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  6. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    “Over and over again I say unions should not be able to buy off political parties or candidates anymore than corporations/ wealthy businesswomen and men can.”
    This is a non-answer, Ben. The public employee union distortion of local, state and Federal elections is real, palpable and arguably the major cause of the coming California public bankruptcies. Bourgeois election spending doesn’t have the same impact and is often counterproductive, with voters rebelling against the source of the money. The way to counter that is instant online disclosure of all campaign donations
    On related news, Nancy Pelosi will apparently be grilled on an upcoming 60 Minutes segment about a multi-million dollar buy of Visa stock at the same time she was pushing legislation on credit card fees.

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  7. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    Since every modern government in the world is Socialist according to your definition because virtually all have progressive tax systems and national health care I again have to ask you what countries do you feel most closely match the model that you desire?

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  8. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    United States circa 1900. Amendments to the constitution, new laws should only be ‘increases to liberty.’ (i.e. Fed Reserve Act, Income Tax, SS mandatory, etc don’t pass the test). Civil rights, for example, does.
    “what countries do you feel most closely match the model that you desire? “

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  9. Ben Emery Avatar

    Paul,
    There are a few nations that have a no government services form of government and they are usually called third world nations. Somalia is a good no government example.
    Here is another look at a no gov service form of government. It is a good example for those who claim charity should take the place of government services. When any crisis hits it wipes out completely compared this with the recent floods and natural disasters in the US.
    http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/2011110752594/Special-Reports/cambodia-remains-an-afterthought.html

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  10. Ben Emery Avatar

    Mickey,
    Didn’t realize Social Security was in the Constitution. Who do you think pushed hardest for the Federal Reserve? Jekyl Island ring a bell? The dangers of accumulated wealth and power in a small few hands.

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  11. RL Crabb Avatar

    I agree with Ben, as most conservatives here do, that returning more responsibility and tax$$$ to the local level would make govt. more accountable and able to deal with problems in a more timely fashion. The CBO study says that Obama’s infrastructure stimulus would take years to trickle down to Main St.
    I’d disagree that the kind of taxes I’ve heard Ben advocate (What was it? 70% on millionaires?) are the answer to the unemployment problem. But I still think that there needs to be an increase in revenue, just not anywhere near those numbers. I’ll also disagree with conservatives that govt. should not be a part of the mix. As George has pointed out here many times, we are going to experience more unemployment due to mechanization and globalization. There is going to have to be some kind of safety net, otherwise the void will be filled by crime.

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  12. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    More head in the oxidized silicon from Greg. Too bad you’re not the chief engineer for China. They’d never catch up.

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  13. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    “On related news, Nancy Pelosi will apparently be grilled on an upcoming 60 Minutes segment about a multi-million dollar buy of Visa stock at the same time she was pushing legislation on credit card fees.”
    One would expect the styock to go down, if the fees were raised. Did she sell short?

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  14. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    MIkey, George
    Let me rephrase that to say “contemporary countries do you feel most closely match the model that you desire? ”
    That’s what I intended to say.

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  15. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    sometimes our problems are of our own making….never heard of that little Rhode Island city filing for bankruptcy because it could not afford to pay its police pension…..What about the poor people? http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-09/alabama-s-jefferson-county-votes-for-biggest-municipal-bankruptcy-in-u-s-.html

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  16. George Rebane Avatar

    “…what countries do you feel most closely match the model that you desire?”
    Actually, even the “most closely match” countries are not sufficient to handle the levels of unemployment that I expect we will suffer as this decade proceeds. I can generate a list of attributes that such a nation (our country) should have, but there is no guarantee that there will be a politically feasible path from here to there with the polarized electorate America must work with. Here’s part of short version.
    As you might anticipate, the ideal form would be based on the Constitution with certain of its amendments rewritten/removed. States rights would be returned to more closely resemble what the Founders anticipated. The federal tax code would be completely rewritten so that only the several states pay federal tax (not individuals and corporations). States would write their own tax codes which hopefully would recognize the existence of the Laffer curve and (at least initially) duplicate the fair/flat tax templates.
    Wealth redistribution would be institutionalized on a capitalistic enterprise model. The voting franchise would be both structured and restricted to keep a wider range of idiots out of voting booths. The republican form of governance would, hopefully, be implemented by the states to as low a level as possible; pure democracy would exist only at the lowest levels. The states would be competing laboratories of good government, competing for citizens who are free to move, without recourse, wherever they wish in the nation.
    Sorry PaulE, the “contemporary countries” query came after having written the above. Don’t know what exactly you would do with the answer, since no one is restricted to contemporary templates of governance, and only silly people would presume that contemporary countries have exhausted the beneficial forms of governance for implementation in the 21st century.

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  17. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    Paul, there are no contemporary countries that match the model I desire. The USA once did (BEFORE 1913).
    Ben- I never said SS was in the constitution. AND I QUOTE “Amendments to the constitution, new laws should only be ‘increases to liberty.’”
    SS is a “NEW LAW” that decreased liberty and requires FORCE.
    Perhaps I should have said “Amendments to the constitution, new laws, etc should only be ‘increases to liberty’. Or “Amendments to the constitution OR new laws should only be those that increase personal liberty.”
    Breaking: Socialism is still failing in Europe (see Greece and Italy, etc etc)

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  18. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    People power and the free market at work is correct, Mike Thornton. We vote with our feet. I vote with my wallet. Just today a case of 60 watt and 75 watt incandescent light bulbs arrived by UPS. Free shipping, no tax. I be in hog’s heaven. Also, just came back from seeing family in LA. I was wondering what laid back LA was thinking about Occupy LA and few seem to care or even heard much about it. The location close to skid row of Occupy LA has of course drawn the predictable street bums/alkies/homeless which now outnumber the anarchists and flower children. So, its turned into one big homeless camp. LA is so laid back. No wonder they don’t even have a NFL team. But, Mike T, you are right. Its people power at work. Turn the lights on and you are bound to attract all kinds of bugs. http://articles.latimes.com/2011/nov/05/local/la-me-1105-occupy-crime-20111105

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  19. Mike Thornton Avatar

    Good for you Bill. It must be nice having so many people you can look down upon!

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  20. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Watching the local news at the Sac OWS was very revealing today. They panned around and there were at least four pole there!

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  21. Mike Thornton Avatar

    And how many people are still in NYC and Oakland?

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  22. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    Why thank you for your kind words of encouragement Mike. So happy that we have reached a point of agreement that transcends politics. Yes, it is very nice and my new light bulbs will exude heat this winter in the bathroom. People power rocks! Maybe we can come up with a plan to bring another NFL team to LA or Sacramento. I will even buy you a delicious hot dog or two on Opening Day! Peace out my little brother from another mother. Thank you again for the hand of friendship you so graciously extended up, up, up all the way to little ol’ me. Warms the cockles of me heart.

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  23. Ben Emery Avatar

    RL,
    The reason for high marginal tax rates is a defense and an incentive. The accumulation of huge amounts of wealth equals political power and influence. This distorts the policies of our government to favor the few and screw the masses. The incentive is for reinvestment of capital back into where it came.
    Top marginal tax rate means at a certain threshold the higher tax kicks in. Roughly $2 million in today’s dollar per year. The common argument is why would someone get up and work harder if they had to pay 70% in taxes. That is the point they either grow the business or allow room in the market for more competition by not wanting to pay the taxes. They are in the top 1/2% of income earners but not accumulating enough to buy off our government to increase their wealth through destructive policies that causes rest of society wages remain stagnant or decline.

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  24. Mike Thornton Avatar

    After losing the Rams and stealing the Raiders, I’m not sure LA deserves another football team. Maybe you can order some free market Chinese asbestos to help insulate your bathroom. And I’ll pass on that free market non-health inspected hot dog. But thanks for the offer. Go Bears!

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  25. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    BenE, do you consider the unions who just one one issue in Ohio as part of the masses?

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  26. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    Lol Mike. You are funny guy. Already put the asbestos in the bathroom, so the joke is on you. Ben, “increase their wealth through destructive policies that causes rest of society wages remain stagnant or decline.” Ben you make funny joke as well. Why are wages declining or stagnant? Its cause of demand. Nobody buys my dew-hickies, nobody gets raise. Cause Warren Buffet or Bill Gates make billions, are you saying that is the reason I only got a 3.4% raise last March and a dollar ten raise last May and my quarterly bonus was only $1,276 last week? I would blame Steve Jobs for my tiny wage increases but no use kicking a dead horse. It all makes sense. Those people making money are really the reason why the labor department said wages increased slightly last month. You very funny man. So, when the employers who lowered 401 contributions last year to0 stay afloat and now 75% of them have increased 401k matching this year, is that because some billionaire made less money? Libs think in a closed system. My wages are flat solely because some body on the East Coast made too much money. Nope, that ain’t it. Its not a closed system unless you work for the government. Da private sector funds the gov’t and when the private sector stumbles, gov’t gets less mula to feed itself since it creates no wealth, only consumes it. Capitalistic pigs (oink, wink, oink oink ) believe in open systems where if somebody is poor, it has no correlation to my wallet. And if somebody is wealthy, it equally has no correlation to my wallet. Me thinks the cause and effect argument you espouse is rather cute. How sweet. You are funny man.

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  27. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    Italy at Breaking Point, Merkel Calls for ‘New Europe’
    There are too many good quotes to post any, just read it!
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/45225209

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  28. Mikey McD Avatar

    Ben, thanks for sharing your fascist thoughts… no more beating around the bush. Your desire/acceptance to give the politicians/bureaucrats/elitists tanks and guns to steal from the producers is not an economic theory, it is envy and hate. What’s next, no one should be allowed to own more than .25 acres of land? or drink more than their government allotted 8 cups of water/day? or have more than 2.5 children?
    Your faith in ‘government created equality through FORCE’ is insanity based on hate.
    Posted by: Ben Emery | 09 November 2011 at 05:10 PM

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  29. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    D. King, its happening faster than I thunk it would. “Hurling towards bankruptcy”, Greece is focused on a “unity government”, lol. More like unity on a life raft that sprung a leak in shark infested waters. Here’s the ugly facts. Italy is the world’s 3rd largest debtor. They have 12 months to refinance 400 billion of debt at 7.4% (today’s bond rate). Ain’t gonna happen, no can do at that rate. Now, we have Ireland, Greece, Portugal, and the E-Talians all clamoring for a bailout simultaneously. Last week the good old USA funneled another 68 billion into the IMF, far, far far less than needed to bail out even little Spain. Oh, did I forget to mention Spain on the list of those with their palms up with their 20% unemployment? At least Spain saw the writing on the wall and slashed subsidies to its greenie energy programs. Too little to late. This word “austerity” keeps rearing its ugly head to the chagrin of the left. Nah, bailouts are more palatable than unspeakable austerity measures and a lot more popular among the 99%ers. Kinda liked what the Gov of Ohio said last night to his state and local governments. John K told them that there are no pesos, no bailouts, the emergency fund ain’t under the mattress or hidden in the cookie jar. You voted for your own poison pill and now its time for one rather nasty big belly ache. Guess saying “I told ya so” is what the left calls “mean spirited”. When the party is over have an adult turn out the lights.

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  30. George Rebane Avatar

    Hard to add anything to that BillT.

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  31. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    I feel like Nostradamus for the inept! 🙂

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  32. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    What we will soon be looking at is a global reset. Stay tuned for details.

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  33. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/keachie/collections/72157627646959409/
    Today’s (Nov 9, 2011) demonstrations in Nevada City, now up.
    Up your paranoia level, Obama takes over every possible media, to test emergency systems, and it is hardwired in.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpiUKyZa-xE

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  34. Ben Emery Avatar

    Bill,
    The lack of understanding on macro economics on here is astounding.
    “Why are wages declining or stagnant? Its cause of demand.”
    Wages are the demand. If people don’t have money to spend there is no demand. To hide this credit was made easily available. The bill has come due.
    I’ll give a macro economics 101
    http://www.stateofworkingamerica.org/charts/view/201
    Wages and productivity tracked each other since the civil war. As one when up the other followed. No good business person hires somebody just because they have money. They hire because their is a demand for their service or product and that employee will bring in more money than they have to pay out. This is what creates jobs not tax breaks for those who already have more than enough.
    http://www.stateofworkingamerica.org/charts/view/201
    Red line is average worker wages
    Yellow is productivity
    All the space in between has been credit until a few years ago because the credit ran out.

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  35. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    So BenE, do you favor a minimum wage? And if so, what amount?

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  36. Mikey McD Avatar

    Ben, is it your hatred of the successful among us that has lead to your enormous misunderstanding of economics?
    You lecturing on economics is like me lecturing someone on how to play golf.
    You know so much that just isn’t so.
    Not an absolute- “Wages are the demand.”(see China and other developing countries- do Americans demand crap made in China because China hired another Chinese worker? nope).
    Credit was not made available to ‘hide’ anything; The FED pumped too much money into the system and governments guaranteed too much (moral hazard).
    Tax rates (currently over 50% for a successful entrepreneur in CA) do restrict hiring.
    The world is not flat anymore and Keynesian economics is failing all around us.

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  37. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    Ben,
    Thanks for the propaganda stats from EPI.
    Here is their progressive propaganda video.
    Note the players! (remember the housing hearings Freddy-Fanny)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u57KaIGqEs4&feature=player_embedded

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  38. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    DaveK, EPI is truly a fine example of why the BenE’s are so ill informed. When Rosa and Charles and Keith think it is great, they lose most of America. Is it funded by Soros?

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  39. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    Ben,
    I really can’t tell if your on a propaganda parade or a victim of it.

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  40. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    you’re not your…sorry.

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  41. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    They hide Todd. They treat their fellow humans as lab rats. The really sad part is when they screw up it usually means people die(DDT). They have no ability to feel empathy. They are arrogant sociopaths and they prey on the young and feebleminded. Don’t you want clean water, don’t you want clean air; step right this way…creepy!

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  42. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    The GGIQ test of the day, can you figure out why this is funny?
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/keachie/6331792111/in/photostream/lightbox/

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  43. Judi Caler Avatar
    Judi Caler

    DK…Thank you for the unbelievable link to the FEMA Emergency Alert System youtube 11/10 12:25 AM. Has no one noticed this entry? Please listen all, and check it out as well. I am very interested to hear what you have to say about this. It will be great insight into the liberal mind (and conservative as well). I know The EBS test occurred briefly yesterday. Please watch the entire youtube, so that you can see that we are all in this together. Where are your friends at the ACLU?! I sure hope you guys don’t tell me to find my tinfoil hat again or we are all doomed. I forgot who was selling them—maybe you can get some more takers.

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  44. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Thank-you, Judi,
    I think this is one issue we can all agree on. Ham, CB and walkie talkie may be the only ways to communicate, if indeed MS and Apple are adjusting operating systems so that Prexy can take over everything.
    BTW, wrong cartoon for the test above, try this instead:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/keachie/6332543516/in/photostream/lightbox/

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  45. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    During the summer I keep a double layer of tinfoil on my orange safety helmet. It blocks rays from the sun that would otherwise heat it up, gets’ lots of laughs in town, but it works great!

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  46. Mikey McD Avatar

    A sincere question for the progressive types:
    What should the punishment be for a 25 year old father of 3 who knowingly chooses not to pay his social security tax?

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  47. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Before lecturing Econ 101, Ben should actually take some economics. Ben, if you promise to write 5 pages on why your last piece might well be completely off base I’ll lend you my old macroeconomics book, written by a genuine ’60’s liberal Keynesian.
    Keachie, you’re not in Kansas anymore. Wait until everything is in black and white before trying to write more.

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  48. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Greg, I would assume you know that I don’t always write for your reality, but often to see what you’ll do with it.

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