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George Rebane

The one dimensional political spectrum is of great rhetorical convenience, but absolutely worthless when it comes to correctly summarizing the attributes of ideology that the so-called ‘Right’ is supposed hold dear (more here).  The light-minded view is that we start somewhere at the far Left where altruistic collectivism rules the roost under the various labels of communism, socialism, progressivism, and (latter day) liberalism – all various flavors of association that celebrate ‘the people’ over ‘the person’.

LibConservativeContinuing ‘rightward’, we migrate through a region of ideology inhabited by the ‘moderates’ or ‘the center’, or even the ‘undecideds’ whose ideological make-up is a wavering unknown.  From here we keep going until we start getting tinges of ‘the Right’, and press on until we finally arrive at the ‘far Right’.  When this expanse is outlined, using these or other similar words, one gets a lot of nods from people all of whom think they know the next level of definition.

The common view from the lamestream media is that both extremes are autocratic and bad – on one end people like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and the other end with characters like Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Pinochet.  This is a nonsensical view of the reality of the American Right under which people who call themselves conservatives, libertarians, free-marketers, and even conservetarians are lumped.  The nonsense is that if you fully applied the ideological tenets of these people, then you would return governance and society to what it was under the ‘Rightwing dictators’ listed above, or other knuckle-dragging versions of it.

This is utter bullcrap, for all the above rogue gallery and their lesser ilk were first and foremost collectivists who claimed to benefit “the people” (“der Volk”), and accomplish that through forging the person into a compliant ideal of the state.  The only difference these despots had was the advertized scope of their interests – national vs international.  This is the exact antithesis of the tenets that conservatives and libertarians hold dear, and are prepared to go to the ramparts to defend.


What it all comes down to is that the Left’s accepted attributes are described existentially through their actions (existing public policies, ongoing grassroots activism) and their own published words.  And then the semantic assault is continued in our press and public education, again by the Left, to impose definitions of and impute thoughts by the Right.  The result is the current political panoply that is defined solely by the Left, since they dominate in the press and public education.  This is the present state of public discourse that I claim is also nowhere better illustrated than in the comment streams of RR.

Examples of the above propositions are legion if we remember not to conflate Republicans and Democrats with Right and Left.  A partial collection of the divergent beliefs is –

•    The Left sees legislative productivity only in the amount of new laws, regulations, and taxes a government passes.  The Right measures legislative productivity by the absence of new laws or the prudent revision and rescinding of existing laws, regulations, and taxes.
•    The Left can put no limits on the size and scope of government; the Right attempts continually to limit both the size and scope of government.
•    The Left is totally blind to the decay of individual liberties and access to state resources (land, minerals, energy, timber, water, …) a la Agenda 21 (search RR); the Right sees, laments, and documents the continual proscribing of individual liberties and criminalizing of long-legal public behaviors.
•    The Right holds that the most good for the most people (Pareto optimality) is achieved through widespread entrepreneurial risk taking in a private sector operating with minimally regulated markets; the Left sees government as the arbiter and generator of zero-sum wealth through a maximally controlled and minimalist private sector.
•    The Left sees the individual ideally as a homogenized member of a regulated class; the Right looks at people as free individuals with varying abilities, traits, and circumstances who will necessarily sort themselves into a wide range of earners, consumers, and givers.
•    The Left can only assess ‘equal opportunity’ by equal outcome; the Right sees ‘equal opportunity’ in terms of an individual’s unfettered starting line, recognizing that each will bring different resources to that starting line and accepting that each will not finish equally.
•    The Right sees private charity as the major contributor to the needy and less fortunate, with the state providing a limited ‘safety net’; the Left sees the state (i.e. collective) as the responsible agent for providing for everyone equally, no matter how low the common denominator of universal service must then become.
•    The Left sees no danger in a global government (Agenda 21), instead, viewing it as the necessary structure of governance to bring peace and prosperity to the world; the Right abhors a single government on Earth, and sees in this the final, technology assisted destruction of Man’s finest aspirations and opportunities, the achievement of which would otherwise be promoted by a community of freely trading sovereign nation states.
•    In sum, the Left sees Man’s highest social achievement in progressing to centralized control through the installation of compassionate and wise elites who access centralized knowledge bases, all suitable for efficiently and effectively governing humankind; the Right sees this as resulting in a wasteland of devastation and misery, and for enlightened governance believes in imitating the evolutionary paradigms of nature based on widely distributed knowledge, control, and tight feedback in order to achieve Man’s highest goals (for which IMHO the operational objective or litmus question at this point in our history should be ‘How does this help us all go to the stars?’).

Given the above, here are the important exit questions –

1. What is “radical” or historically non-mainstream about these ideological tenets of the Right?

2. Why is it so hard to get people on the Left to answer or even address the substance question #1?

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91 responses to “Right and Left – Right? Wrong!”

  1. Russ Steele Avatar

    George,
    I find most of those from the left are other directed people. They are very concerned what other think about them, they attempted to pleases others and are controlled by a list of should, ought and have-to’. They are indecisive, decision making is difficult and for them because it is a group process. For these other directed folks to deal with the tenets of the right, who are most often inner directed people who have the courage to be who they really are not what anyone else expects them to be, they have come to grips with who they really are and they find that an impossible task. Being other directed they lack the ability to change the whole that they are part of, so their solution is to demonize the tenets of right. They fall back on the group think, the group says that right thinkers are uncontrollable, and a danger to collective, therefore it is much easier to demonize, rather than examine. Not to do so, might cause them to be expelled from the group. This fear of expulsion and abandonment prevents them from addressing the issues in question #1, resulting in actions consistent with #2. I hope this makes sense, this early in the morning.

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  2. Martin Avatar
    Martin

    Everyday I get a real chuckle driving about Nevada County seeing vehicles sporting Save Tibet, Coexist, Think Peace, and similar Left groupie bumper stickers. Just how these people propose to “Free Tibet” given that China has an army of around 7.5 million soldiers, none of whom is likely to be impressed by a few bumper stickers, is a real mystery but it must Feel Good to them showing solidarity.

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  3. RL Crabb Avatar

    Being a critic of both left and right, I have found over the years that the left does have a much harder time being scrutinized. I mean, how can anyone argue with their lofty goals?
    As for Tibet bumper stickers, years ago I bought a Ford Courier that I assume came from the Bay Area because of the various slogans plastered on the back of the vehicle. One day at the dump some guy asked me what the “Save Tibet” sticker was all about.
    I told him that I once had dinner at a Tibetan restaurant in San Francisco and had the opportunity to sample a Tibetan drink that consisted mainly of curdled yak’s milk. After choking down the horrendous liquid I realized that these people definitely needed help. Thus, the sticker.

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  4. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Life is tough and it is a miracle humans are even here let alone able to think and be political. It is my observation over the years, running for office, running the Central Committee and doing battle with the liberal, bloodless of course, that the liberal is simply the easy path for the real tough life of a human. It is not easy to make decisions that send people into harms way. It is always easier to say “we will meet and discuss this” than to act in a timely fashion (and spend others money for them). I think that is why most military are R’s as they are used to acting instead of “kumbayaing”.
    The leftwing, here in Nevada County and elsewhere, never answer a question that a conservative asks. It appears George has noticed that too. They always ask us for clarification or further explanation, yet never return the favor. I do not comply with them any longer since I learned the left takes our answers (I never give personal information either) and then twist the words into a intent unknown to the person giving.
    The press over my lifetime and the education of our children over the last 40 years has been in hegemonic control by the left. I went to discuss a lot of the crap being taught my kids in the local schools (I was nice) because what they were being taught was anathema to me. (property rights, environmental crap social justice etc.) I wanted a balance but was never afforded that. The left has had their way, they have achieved government ownership of all property in the USA through zoning, property taxes and eminent domain. They control all our money by having convinced most everyone the government “allows” us to keep some of hat we earn or make and As Elizabet Warren, the liberal running for US Senate against Brown has said over and over, the people who make it in America only did so because the government let them use the roads and the infrastructure etc. That is the difference between how the people on the right and left think. We will battle the chicken and the egg story forever. The left wants the makers to give to the takers because they say so.

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  5. Mikey McD Avatar

    The “radical” or historically non-mainstream views smearing “the Right” are present largely because of our failed education system/value system (including the degeneration of public education, agnostic culture, the collapse of the family and moms choosing work over their children).
    I was taught that FDR was godlike in high school, further indoctrinated in college as professors worshiped central planners/progressives- a.k.a. Greenspan and perhaps most importantly that the world existed solely to provide me with what I was entitled to.
    Those who are too ‘selfish’ to share (via force) continue to be portrayed as evil/radical.
    Despite the fact that the works of classic intellectuals (once ‘required reading’) are now viewed as extreme (including The Bible).
    Our country no longer values individual rights.
    Our country’s entitlement mentality requires the demonization of those whom value liberty.

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  6. Ben Emery Avatar

    George and other regulars,
    The litany of complaints can be redirected back at yourselves.
    It seems that many here have drank the Rand cool-aid and that is some radical stuff. Unfortunately Ms. Rand was like most icons only radical in theory. She ended up on Social Security and Medicare. But I guess she did what most sociopaths do, acted in her own best interest in complete contradiction to her lifelong cult creating fantasies.

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  7. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    Delighted to see Mr. Crabb is back to his old self this lovely morning. Will think of his observation the next time I go to the Briar Patch and circle the parking lot. I am ruint forever. Oh, what was the topic?

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  8. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 930am – What complaints? it appears that you don’t understand the point of this post. Re the exit questions, we may relegate your comment to the bin labeled Exhibit A.

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  9. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    Its not all black and white. We humanoids have varying degrees of left and right within ourselves and seem to live with the contradictions. Remember when I took the youngest toddler down to Skid Row. She burst out crying when she saw a poor bum on the corner, her heart bleeding about the man’s condition. I was moved as well. Later, we took in friends of hers that had druggie parents and the like. One sweet abandoned girl later moved in with her older sister to be with family. The sister was on welfare and broke. We sent food over and offered to watch her child so she could seek and obtain employment. My daughter gleefully brought her job apps from K-Mart and anyone hiring. The sister replied “Why should I work when I will make the same on welfare?” She never filled out one app. That turned my daughter into someone who became anti “those who can work, but choose not to” and I had to tell her its her choice and you can lead a horse to water, but….Later, my oldest wanted to go to Brazil and discover new herbal medicines from plants in the jungle. I showed her a article that labeled Brazil the most dangerous nation on the planet, ahead of Iran and Yemen. That is the harsh reality when good intentions clash with the facts. My own Sista Soldier moment came when I was a bum reading a card at a thrift store. Had a pic of a James Dean look alike on the cover and inside was the caption “Rebel without a job”. That was me. Whatever happened at that moment I can’t describe. But, I walked out determined to change my life, crystal clear that every decision I had made put ME in my situation and it is no longer a matter of changing others and focusing on the evils of the world, but rather what can I do to change myself to adapt to this world and better my life. I started dropping the word “but” from my vocabulary. Society is safer since that day in thrift store.

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  10. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    Ben, was Rand forced to contribute to SS and medicare at the point of a gun? YES. Libertarians despise such entitlements only because they are forced upon us. Should either SS or Medicare exist when I am old I will accept whatever benefits I have already paid for.
    Would you allow SS and Medicare participation to be voluntary?

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  11. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    p.s. The “sociopath” title of Rand is a miss-diagnosis and is rooted in hate.

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  12. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    “George and other regulars,
    The litany of complaints can be redirected back at yourselves.”
    Whatever you say, bounces off me and sticks on you.
    Really Ben?
    It’s fear George. Fear of making a decision that turns out to be wrong and having to endure the ensuing ridicule. The collective is like the butter knife for bad decisions, it spreads them around. The real question is how far will they let a bad decision go before they abandon it?
    It’s Bush’s fault!
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/18424744#45005415
    So, their answer to number 1 will necessarily be number 2. 🙂

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  13. Mikey McD Avatar

    D. King your 11:05am comment is ringing loud and clear as Obama uses ‘executive order’ to bailout (buy votes) from folks who over extended in the real estate market… and to the investors holding the notes… “screw you!” Moral Hazzard anyone?
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Obama-to-promote-new-steps-to-apf-1199309847.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=3&asset=&ccode=

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  14. Ben Emery Avatar

    If you guys want to hear a real American Patriot listen here
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZVDmqwgk7k

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  15. Ben Emery Avatar

    Everyone,
    I responded with a detailed comment on the questions posed by Mr Rebane’s exit questions.I finished the comment with an excerpt from a FDR speech about Freedom. Mr Rebane I guess has taken the liberty to remove it.

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  16. Mikey McD Avatar

    Ben, Would you allow SS and Medicare participation to be voluntary?

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  17. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Ralph Nader has some good points and I even agree with a few. I agree with many different kinds of people and over my life and through my personal experiences have come to a fork in the road and I took it. Yogi and I took it. Anyway, watching politics from the bench like BenE does and many other lefty, mostly socialist folks do is not a effective way to get your agenda going and get the mojo working. You need to take a path to success, meaning, either start or energize a party of like minded folks to successful election or just be a carper. BenE has some points I agree with but like many in the OWS and other leftwing organizations, they spend their time whining about the haves and spending their time trying to remove the haves from their possessions. Spend your time in a endeavor which could lead to success. Get a passel of greenies elected, enough for a majority, then start changing things the way you desire (just like the TPP did). Sitting around crying the blues accomplishes nothing.

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  18. Mikey McD Avatar

    If you guys want to hear a real American Patriot listen here
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/vp/45005727#45005727

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  19. Ben Emery Avatar

    D King,
    It is a political evolutionary process that hasn’t occurred with most Americans and with those on Ruminations with the exception of a few outsiders. Not over on Jeff Pelline’s blog either for the most part. It is hard to continue posting here because we (myself and Rumination regulars) are speaking about two completely different subjects.
    What I am seeing on Rebanes Ruminations is that George is beginning to make this transformation and this post is proof of it.
    D’s vs R’s isn’t the problem it is the institutions of both the D’s and R’s that is the problem. These unaccountable institutions have been taken over by powers not accountable to the people. It is not the candidates/ representatives and especially not the voters but they too are victims to their party leadership direction. Go along to get along is the only way to make your way up through the ranks but by the time a person gets there they are so compromised/ corrupted they no longer represent their principles and convictions let alone their constituents wishes.
    If we are not happy with the Democratic Party, how do we hold them accountable? By electing republicans. When the Republican Party shows they are not worthy to govern, how do we hold them accountable? By electing democrats.
    It is a paradigm that is in the process of shifting as I type. We are in the middle of the next political revolution. The question for most is which side will win (D’s vs R’s) the next generation of policies. I hope they both lose and we start governing ourselves through self determination absent of political parties/ factions.
    It is W Bush’s fault. It is Obama’s, Clinton, Bush, and Reagan’s fault. It is Boehner, Pelosi, Hastert, Delay, Gingrich, and O’Neil fault. Our government is supposed to be the people not two unaccountable institutions who have been bought off by consolidated money.
    ,
    The debate we are having is what I have been conveying to George for awhile, the very same debate our founders had in Philadelphia in the 1780’s.
    George I encourage you to repost my last comment if that is within your power.

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  20. Ben Emery Avatar

    Mickey,
    To many here at Ruminations surprise if the election were held today in the D and R presidential fields my vote would go to Ron Paul.
    Another real American Patriot an Independent talking to Fed Chairman
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBnKh6B2cMw

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  21. Mikey McD Avatar

    Ben, I believe that the Tea Party was birthed from ‘your’ frustrations. I went to the an early TP rally to voice my concerns that government was being used by a club against me. I expect as much from democrats, but Bush wielded the biggest club (until Obama) ever. I see very little difference between a Romney and Obama. I loved the meet the press interview of Ron Paul for that very reason, he is a breath of fresh air.

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  22. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 1125am and 1228pm – I have not mediated any comments for weeks now. Please repost your comment, we all look forward to an answer to Q1. Thanks for the heads up.

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  23. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    We all need to be on our guards and have our radars on high alert for any hints of evolving into a society that is more authoritarian that the society we currently have. People like me don’t like been told that the butter in my movie popcorn is now banned. I understand the necessity for stop signs, slowing down in school zones, and taking care of our elderly. Those are for the benefit of us all. But, what I see is a creeping blurring the lines between the difference of authority and power. Authority is for the benefit and good of society as well as a servant of society, while power benefits only the few who abuse authority (think Col Gadify, the former Soviet Union, some control freaks who happen to call the shots in any sewing circle, Congress that exempts itself from the laws it passes, and the PC/thought police.) Authority empowers the individual while protecting society at large, while power is the master not the servant. We all are familiar with the phrase absolute power corrupts absolutely. Ah, life would be grand it only people would behave and do as I want them to…and agree with me and worship my every word. I just hate it when things don’t go the way I want them to or my grand ideas are rejected. If only I was in charge. Hitting again on “its not all back and white”: http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-news/ci_19150644?source=pkg

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  24. Ben Emery Avatar

    Mickey,
    In Grass Valley for the 4th of July Parade in 2009 I talked with many people for at least an hour about what the Tea Party was going to represent. I was encouraged by the outrage but skeptical about the direction they were pointing to for solutions, so I held back to see what the group materialized into. I was going back and forth whether or not to engage with the local TP and those spread out through the CA 4th. The AZ immigration law was the deciding factor, when pretty much universally the TP throughout the nation backed a law that forces people to carry papers and prove their innocence my decision was made easy.
    I agree with there are little differences on major issues between the two parties. So I withdrew my consent to be represented by either in the 1990’s. There is this curtain between the people and the real agenda and all we get is the rhetoric that separates us.

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  25. Mikey McD Avatar

    Ben, Would you allow SS and Medicare participation to be voluntary?
    p.s. my understanding was that the TP did not have a position on social issues such as the AZ immigration laws. I am sure I could cherry-pick members of the TP against the AZ immigration laws. To discount the TP movement because of a social issue which the movement itself holds no position seems rash.

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  26. Ben Emery Avatar

    Bill,
    To the butter remark, I don’t want butter to be banned but would much rather have the choice of real butter or highly processed GMO partially hydrogenated garbage. Most developed countries agree with labeling but the US does not.
    Big industry has fought the labeling the food products that they are drastically changing tooth and nail, which goes back to who controls our government? It would definitely be in the peoples interest to know such things but we have to fight against huge money interests to get it.

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  27. Ben Emery Avatar

    George,
    I will try but my frame of mind is different at this point in time.
    The complaints I referred to were about the liberal media propaganda machine. I will break this up into two comments.
    In 1980 we had around 50 major national media companies, today we have 6 that control over 90% of the media we consume.
    These 6 own television networks, cable channels, movie studios, newspapers, magazines, publishing houses, music labels and even many of our favorite websites.
    None of these corps have the idea of promoting left wing agenda but rather to make as much money as they can. If they can do that by exploiting a certain political population they will do so as did Fox “news” losing $500 million the first five years of existence. As does prime-time programming at MSNBC.
    This list is long but a must to really get the idea of how consolidated media ownership has really become.
    Time Warner
    Home Box Office (HBO)
    Time Inc.
    Turner Broadcasting System, Inc.
    Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc.
    CW Network (partial ownership)
    TMZ
    New Line Cinema
    Time Warner Cable
    Cinemax
    Cartoon Network
    TBS
    TNT
    America Online
    MapQuest
    Moviefone
    Castle Rock
    Sports Illustrated
    Fortune
    Marie Claire
    People Magazine
    Walt Disney
    ABC Television Network
    Disney Publishing
    ESPN Inc.
    Disney Channel
    SOAPnet
    A&E
    Lifetime
    Buena Vista Home Entertainment
    Buena Vista Theatrical Productions
    Buena Vista Records
    Disney Records
    Hollywood Records
    Miramax Films
    Touchstone Pictures
    Walt Disney Pictures
    Pixar Animation Studios
    Buena Vista Games
    Hyperion Books
    Viacom
    Paramount Pictures
    Paramount Home Entertainment
    Black Entertainment Television (BET)
    Comedy Central
    Country Music Television (CMT)
    Logo
    MTV
    MTV Canada
    MTV2
    Nick Magazine
    Nick at Nite
    Nick Jr.
    Nickelodeon
    Noggin
    Spike TV
    The Movie Channel
    TV Land
    VH1
    News Corporation
    Dow Jones & Company, Inc.
    Fox Television Stations
    The New York Post
    Fox Searchlight Pictures
    Beliefnet
    Fox Business Network
    Fox Kids Europe
    Fox News Channel
    Fox Sports Net
    Fox Television Network
    FX
    My Network TV
    MySpace
    News Limited News
    Phoenix InfoNews Channel
    Phoenix Movies Channel
    Sky PerfecTV
    Speed Channel
    STAR TV India
    STAR TV Taiwan
    STAR World
    Times Higher Education Supplement Magazine
    Times Literary Supplement Magazine
    Times of London
    20th Century Fox Home Entertainment
    20th Century Fox International
    20th Century Fox Studios
    20th Century Fox Television
    BSkyB
    DIRECTV
    The Wall Street Journal
    Fox Broadcasting Company
    Fox Interactive Media
    FOXTEL
    HarperCollins Publishers
    The National Geographic Channel
    National Rugby League
    News Interactive
    News Outdoor
    Radio Veronica
    ReganBooks
    Sky Italia
    Sky Radio Denmark
    Sky Radio Germany
    Sky Radio Netherlands
    STAR
    Zondervan
    CBS Corporation
    CBS News
    CBS Sports
    CBS Television Network
    CNET
    Showtime
    TV.com
    CBS Radio Inc. (130 stations)
    CBS Consumer Products
    CBS Outdoor
    CW Network (50% ownership)
    Infinity Broadcasting
    Simon & Schuster (Pocket Books, Scribner)
    Westwood One Radio Network
    NBC Universal
    Bravo
    CNBC
    NBC News
    MSNBC
    NBC Sports
    NBC Television Network
    Oxygen
    SciFi Magazine
    Syfy (Sci Fi Channel)
    Telemundo
    USA Network
    Weather Channel
    Focus Features
    NBC Universal Television Distribution
    NBC Universal Television Studio
    Paxson Communications (partial ownership)
    Trio
    Universal Parks & Resorts
    Universal Pictures
    Universal Studio Home Video

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  28. Russ Steele Avatar

    Ben,
    None of these corporations control my browser. While I use Comcast’s Broadband, I do not consume the video content. We are a fan of UK programs and documentary. When we lived across the border from Canada we watched the Canadian Ch more than the US. The point, all of this is on the Internet and no one controls my browser.

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  29. Ben Emery Avatar

    Russ,
    For now but net neutrality is being threatened by those who want to control its content for a number of reasons.

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  30. Ben Emery Avatar

    Maybe because it is to long it shows being posted then disappears. I will break it up.
    1. What is “radical” or historically non-mainstream about these ideological tenets of the Right?
    What is so radical coming from Ruminations regulars, Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, and Scott Walker? It is that we should only have a small few controlling the policies and laws for the masses. This small few are the ones with private educations that allow them to participate in business, government, and to manipulate these life-controlling entities to ensure their power and stature. In short term this wouldn’t be the case but within two generations this would be well into practice.
    No public schools, no public health care programs, no worker rights, no social security, ect… Basically the majority of people having no say in the government that sets the laws and rules we live by as a society. Either through purposeful manipulation or through misguided ideology those regulars at Ruminations are advocating feudalism. The very type of government/ nation we fought against to gain our independence.
    Tyranny and Despotism are terms traditionally used to describe governments but there is another type of oppression and that is Corporatism. I believe there has been a corporate coup de’tat of our government and the political parties have been hijacked to use our government institutions, agencies, and regulations to further ensure corporate power and profit under the legal terms set by our government. In the 1980’s a 1,000 bankers went to jail. Today 0 bankers have gone to jail, why? Because what they did has now become legal through this coup and capturing of regulatory agencies.

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  31. Ben Emery Avatar

    Part II
    I want to have some say in my government not because I am wealthy or privileged because I am an American citizen and want the ability to pursue happiness despite what SES class I was born into.
    For Mickey here is an excerpt defining freedom from FDR in 1936 speech that says it perfectly.
    “That very word freedom, in itself and of necessity, suggests freedom from some restraining power. In 1776 we sought freedom from the tyranny of a political autocracy – from the eighteenth-century royalists who held special privileges from the crown. It was to perpetuate their privilege that they governed without the consent of the governed; that they denied the right of free assembly and free speech; that they restricted the worship of God; that they put the average man’s property and the average man’s life in pawn to the mercenaries of dynastic power; that they regimented the people.
    And so it was to win freedom from the tyranny of political autocracy that the American Revolution was fought. That victory gave the business of governing into the hands of the average man, who won the right with his neighbors to make and order his own destiny through his own government. Political tyranny was wiped out at Philadelphia on July 4, 1776.
    Since that struggle, however, man’s inventive genius released new forces in our land, which reordered the lives of our people. The age of machinery, of railroads; of steam and electricity; the telegraph and the radio; mass production, mass distribution – all of these combined to bring forward a new civilization and with it a new problem for those who sought to remain free.
    For out of this modern civilization economic royalists carved new dynasties. New kingdoms were built upon concentration of control over material things. Through new uses of corporations, banks and securities, new machinery of industry and agriculture, of labor and capital – all undreamed of by the Fathers – the whole structure of modern life was impressed into this royal service.
    There was no place among this royalty for our many thousands of small-businessmen and merchants who sought to make a worthy use of the American system of initiative and profit. They were no more free than the worker or the farmer. Even honest and progressive-minded men of wealth, aware of their obligation to their generation, could never know just where they fitted into this dynastic scheme of things.
    It was natural and perhaps human that the privileged princes of these new economic dynasties, thirsting for power, reached out for control over government itself. They created a new despotism and wrapped it in the robes of legal sanction. In its service new mercenaries sought to regiment the people, their labor, and their property. And as a result the average man once more confronts the problem that faced the Minute Man.
    The hours men and women worked, the wages they received, the conditions of their labor – these had passed beyond the control of the people, and were imposed by this new industrial dictatorship. The savings of the average family, the capital of the small-businessmen, the investments set aside for old age – other people’s money – these were tools which the new economic royalty used to dig itself in.
    Those who tilled the soil no longer reaped the rewards which were their right. The small measure of their gains was decreed by men in distant cities.
    Throughout the nation, opportunity was limited by monopoly. Individual initiative was crushed in the cogs of a great machine. The field open for free business was more and more restricted. Private enterprise, indeed, became too private. It became privileged enterprise, not free enterprise.

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    part III
    Continue FDR 1936 Philadelphia
    “An old English judge once said: “Necessitous men are not free men.” Liberty requires opportunity to make a living – a living decent according to the standard of the time, a living which gives man not only enough to live by, but something to live for.
    For too many of us the political equality we once had won was meaningless in the face of economic inequality. A small group had concentrated into their own hands an almost complete control over other people’s property, other people’s money, other people’s labor – other people’s lives. For too many of us life was no longer free; liberty no longer real; men could no longer follow the pursuit of happiness.
    Against economic tyranny such as this, the American citizen could appeal only to the organized power of government. The collapse of 1929 showed up the despotism for what it was. The election of 1932 was the people’s mandate to end it. Under that mandate it is being ended.
    The royalists of the economic order have conceded that political freedom was the business of the government, but they have maintained that economic slavery was nobody’s business. They granted that the government could protect the citizen in his right to vote, but they denied that the government could do anything to protect the citizen in his right to work and his right to live.
    Today we stand committed to the proposition that freedom is no half-and-half affair. If the average citizen is guaranteed equal opportunity in the polling place, he must have equal opportunity in the market place.
    These economic royalists complain that we seek to overthrow the institutions of America. What they really complain of is that we seek to take away their power. Our allegiance to American institutions requires the overthrow of this kind of power. In vain they seek to hide behind the flag and the Constitution. In their blindness they forget what the flag and the Constitution stand for. Now, as always, they stand for democracy, not tyranny; for freedom, not subjection; and against a dictatorship by mob rule and the over-privileged alike.
    The brave and clear platform adopted by this convention, to which I heartily subscribe, sets forth that government in a modern civilization has certain inescapable obligations to its citizens, among which are protection of the family and the home, the establishment of a democracy of opportunity, and aid to those overtaken by disaster.”

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  33. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Ayn Rand as a sociopath really is hate speech. Ben, you’ve outdone yourself. While never an Objectivist and never a fan of Rand’s ponderous fiction (a Russian affliction, perhaps?), I’ve never detected a hit of sociopathy in her writings; cold logic, yes, but as an escapee from a system that looks more like a Ben Emery paradise gone wrong, I can’t blame her.
    I have (and will) sucked down every SS benefit possible, starting with the Survivor’s benefits my late first wife (also an engineer) qualified for because of our elementary school aged son. When the thief (the essential role government is filling when they take from one person only to give to another) is willing to give me some of our money back, I’ll take it.
    For some reason, the left-liberals among us seem to think we should put up with the loss rather than accepting the tainted money. Nope. I will not cut off my nose to spite my face and besides, you’d just invent some other insult to take its place anyway.

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  34. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    RLC, Save Japan!
    Have you ever tasted Uni (sea urchin roe)? They must be starving to eat that stuff… washing it down with curdled Yak milk might help.

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  35. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE – First, let me thank you for assembling the extensive manifesto that assesses the present condition (state of the nation), and prognosticates where things are going unless prescribed changes are put in place. It is, of course, given from the sense of things past and present that continues to be ascribed to the progressive side of our political spectrum. There is nothing in your development that Team Obama (including Hillary) would not stand up and salute. Conversely, almost everything (especially in your 229pm) you espouse and interpret goes contrary to the tenets of the Right that I posted. I’m not sure if it is due to some more of ‘I know what you’re really thinking/saying’ that is the common fare dispensed by the Left. In short, I don’t see where you’ve addressed Q1 at all – you have not shown how my stated tenets are contrary to mainstream American thought.
    On the other hand you cite FDR in the depths of Depression1 which his policies demonstrably extended and deepened. And it is a noble litany of socialist thought wrapped up in bright Americana for consumption, then as now, by the inattentive and unread. Putting this aside, we do have to always remember the sad and frustrating summary assessment of FDR’s programs given in 1939 by his Sec Treasury Henry Morgenthau to Congress (often quoted in RR). And to that we need to append the debates of the 1946 post-war recession which resulted in the dismantling of almost all FDR programs, and the subsequent release of the private sector to again take the country back to prosperity, even though it was burdened by its then greatest debt in history (thereby saving Harry’s butt to win in 1948).
    Unfortunately, I realize that none of these arguments make a mark on the Left – their history is their own and it must show that socialism’s foothold in America always propelled it upward, and caused the country problems when its pace slowed. In the final analysis, one cannot argue that the programs offered by our latest socialist president are in some sense on par with those offered by the Right as far as “corporate control of America” is concerned – they are widely divergent.
    You lament that as an American citizen you no longer have the latitude and wherewithal to “pursue happiness”, the rich and corporate world have taken that from whom, the 99%? Yet the very policies you propose and I have summarized for the Left in this post are the exact ones that punish enterprise and the determined worker. My parents and I could not achieve today what we did when we arrived here in 1949 (today we would not even be allowed to enter legally).
    None of this diminishes the hard reality of accelerating technology and the impact it is having on the un- or mis-educated worker. That is an existential reality and it will only be ameliorated by policies that fully support the Bastiat Triangle of rights, and even then there will have to be some enlightened wealth redistribution. But none of that will happen in the direction that Obama has now taken. Nevertheless I am still interested in what the Left sees “radical” or historically non-mainstream for America about the ideological tenets outlined in the post.

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  36. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    Ben, that long winded hate speech by FDR is vile and ironically, tyrannical (continuing the tyranny started in 1913 under Wilson).
    In the same speech he acknowledges our country’s fight for freedom against an oppressive government and then he offers his solution………..wait for it…… an oppressive government!
    BTW, Would you allow SS and Medicare participation to be voluntary?

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  37. Bobo Bolinski Avatar

    http://berkeleyearth.org/
    So working on your very learned response?

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  38. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Thanks for the rant, Ben. Most of what you write about is fabricated. “No public schools, no public health care programs, no worker rights, no social security, ect” I would be fascinated to have you cite actual examples of some of your made up nightmares. You have as much power as Bill Gates or myself. If you don’t like the fact that we have politicians that only spend time with wealthy donors, don’t blame me. blame the American voters. They keep voting them into office. Freely. The speech from Mr Roosevelt was priceless. He is going to control the “over-privileged”. Who decides who is over-privileged? Why FDR hisself. And the fact that he was fairly privileged and wealthy and became more so at the same time he said he would control it shows what he really meant. That there were more millionaires created in the depression than the roaring twenties showed how well he “controlled” the over privileged. He and his buddies got stinking rich while the depression got worse. What a pal – what a pal. The only rights we have are in the Bill Of Rights. You have no right to any level of income other than what you earn freely by making yourself useful to others making their own free decisions. To have any govt force me to hand over my money to someone who does nothing of any value to me is slavery. Pure and simple. No corporation or company or private person has ever made me or you do anything we didn’t want to do. Stop blaming them. If you don’t like to give them your money, then don’t. The govt on the other hand, is constantly at work to do damage to my pocket book and freedoms. I fight an actual enemy while you tilt at windmills.

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  39. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Five will get you ten that Bozo Bolinski doesn’t have a clue about either the BEST or Muller.
    Bozo, have you noticed the BEST statement, “How much of the warming is due to humans and what will be the likely effects? We made no independent assessment of that.”
    They’ve begun an independent dataset that is promised to be public, but isn’t yet. There are as yet no peer reviewed papers. They are using the same data as everyone else and so it will be similar.
    Now, what was it you wanted to talk about?

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  40. Ben Emery Avatar

    Mickey,
    “my understanding was that the TP did not have a position on social issues such as the AZ immigration laws. I am sure I could cherry-pick members of the TP against the AZ immigration laws.”
    It was a statement sent out by NCTPP either in an action alert or the newletter, I am on the email list. I am pretty sure it was June the newsletter but that seems to have gone AWOL on the internet.
    National Tea Party
    http://teapartypatriots.org/standwitharizona/
    Here is what Russ Steele had to say about the Arizona Law and the TP.
    The most recent Court Decision limiting police officers in AZ to ask for immigration status will be a great recruiting tool for the TPP. Once again our government is not listening to the people and the people will continue to organize Tea Parties and will rise up when the time is right at the ballot box.
    28 July 2010 at 08:12 PM

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  41. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    The right, the left???
    What an embarrassing “visit” Barry and the Tea Party folks had in front of the Board of Supervisors today.
    Barry wanted the Chamber be selected but failed to know the Chamber withdrew and was cut because they wanted an additional 20K for additional work. On top of that the Chamber failed to respond to the follow up questions asked by the County selection committee! Seems Barry didn’t do his homework. It was a train wreck! Barry got handed his head on a plate. The County staff was sharp and had facts… Barry on the other hand?
    And ROAR?… you gotta be kidding!. The ROAR spokesperson was LOST and even made a number of threats to the BOS about future elections and “we are watching” threats. The part where she ranted about the OWS was a hoot! Then there was the part where she wanted a conflict of interest removal because a BOS member (Hank Weston) is on the First 5 board and Mrs. Pelline is the First 5 bookkeeper. Sorry, but ROAR looked like a joke at the BOS meeting today.
    Seems the Tea Party clan got their head handed to them today. What an embarrassing, childish display of clueless ranting. They sure shot themselves in the foot today and they exposed themselves for what they are. So glad the video of this will live forever for all to see.
    The closing statements by Supervisor Beason and Supervisor Owens were a lesson and wake up call to the extreme right, Tea Party folks. Consider yourself schooled!

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  42. Mikey McD Avatar

    Ben, I recall the immigration issue to be a divisive issue among TP members. For that reason the TP Partiots (at least locally) chose/choose to not take a stance on the issue since it did not directly fall under their missions. As a libertarian I want an easy and accessible road to citizenship (we need all the tax payers we can get to help us dig out of this horrific financial hole we are in).

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  43. Grant Avatar
    Grant

    Sir Enos, it is amazing what you are able to see from way up on your ivory tower; please help us. LOL

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  44. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Hey “Grant”… do you have a full name? How about using your full name when you post so all can see who you are.
    The BOS today? The facts are there if one just watches the BOS meeting, like I did. It will soon be available on line for all to see.
    It was embarrassing beyond belief. The vote was 5-0 to boot.

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  45. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    PS to “Grant”. Please post on topic next time. No off topic, personal attacks or insults.

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  46. Ben Emery Avatar

    George,
    I did answer your questions but I refuse to use your narrative. Unlike the democratic party have a backbone and refuse to be led around by the nose. I’m sorry that you and your followers cannot understand without government programs that they profess to hate so much none of us would be where we are today.
    The whole basis of your life is in government and its funding. Did you go to college through the GI bill? I asked you this before and you pointed me to your bio, it doesn’t address this question. If yes, once again another positive government program that has altered your life in unmeasurable ways. If there is a socialist in the group is it you with all of your tax payer “hand outs” (your ideology not mine). I have been working for paychecks or have been self employed since I was thirteen years old. I have never received unemployment, welfare, food stamps, or any government assistance in monetary form outside of tax credits.
    George Rebane bio
    “During the early part of his career, after active duty in the Army, George was a combat systems developer for a big aerospace firm. From there he joined a small think tank company, doing classified research for the Pentagon, and ultimately became its president. In the later part of his career he was CEO of two other high-tech companies one of which manufactured educational electronics systems and the other, which he founded, became a leading developer of interactive multi-media technologies. ”
    US Military- Complete Socialist program
    Aerospace firm- Who were the primary clients?
    Think Tank- Pentagon hmmmm sounds like the biggest spending department in the US government, is it the same one?
    Educational Electronic Sytstems- Once again, who were your targeted clients?
    Taught at UCLA, CAL State Schools- University of California and California State Schools. I believe these educational systems are public/ government sponsored and were the creme of the crop until Governor Reagan stopped their funding.
    So does this mean that you are lazy and undeserving? Not even close, this means without these programs and years of hard work your life would have been drastically different. Possibly better or possibly worse.
    Here is my exit question
    So why do you advocate to abolish other government programs that didn’t necessarily benefit you but could have the same positive benefits to others?

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  47. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE – you ascribe to me statements that I have not made. Nowhere have I advocated the termination of ALL government programs, regulations, taxes, … . Your response is the usual bookend of ‘if you don’t like one, you don’t like them all’.
    Yes, part of my career involved defense contracting that produced systems and capabilities that kept those who sought to do us harm at bay, and in the interval gave others of us an environment to pursue their dreams in a very dangerous world. Such efforts by my compatriots and me happened to support one of the clearest of constitutional mandates – national security. (You are benefitting from some of my contributions even as you read these words.)
    For my MS, as an officer in the Reserves, I received a pittance from the government so small that it did not affect any financial decisions in the Rebane or any other family that I was aware of. Most certainly it enabled me to do nothing that I could not do entirely on my own nickel. I declined it for my PhD. No other government ‘largesse’ has augmented my wallet. (Your inclusion of tax credits as a benefit is an interesting testimony to how your ideology views taxing and taxes.)
    It is easy to advocate the termination of unconstitutional government functions and spending. The problem is that you have a different Constitution from the one I read.
    And still you haven’t told us how my listed tenets for the Right are in any way in the extreme. But in the process of dancing around and using your own “narrative”, you are beginning to provide an answer to Q2.

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  48. Barry Pruett Avatar

    It is sad that I must follow Mr. Enos around the internet to clear up his half-truths and misrepresentations, but I expect nothing less from the shameless dullard. LOL.
    Steve: You are misrepresenting my comments. My comments were all about the lack of a long-term plan and vision for the county. “My desire for today is that the BOS table this contract and formulate and implement a long-term strategy through the Chambers, or in the alternative, award the contract to the chamber as the lowest responsible bidder.”
    The importance of the meeting today was to develop a long-term strategy – which is now happening as a result of the thoughtful comments by the public and the willingness of most of the BOS to work with us. To give anyone $20,000 without a long-term vision is the issue. I am glad the the BOS is leading by implementing the Switchback Plan and putting together a tourism committee. Today was a great day for the community!
    http://barrypruett.blogspot.com/2011/10/board-of-supervisors-funds-regional.html

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  49. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Wrong Scott
    This is the summary of the Iraq Survey group about the so called attempts to purchase yellow cake from Niger.
    “Investigation Into Uranium Pursuits and Indigenous Production Capabilities
    Foreign Pursuits
    ISG has not found evidence to show that Iraq sought uranium from abroad after 1991 or renewed indigenous production of such material—activities that we believe would have constituted an Iraqi effort to reconstitute a nuclear weapons program. As part of its investigation, ISG sought information from prominent figures such as Ja’far Diya’ Ja’far—the head of the pre-1991 nuclear weapons program.

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  50. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Sorry
    This should have to Greg G on Who Are the Occupiers.

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