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George Rebane

Now the smelly, pierced, and entrenched ‘Occupy people’ (as described by Andy Kessler and others) will not move from their rancid encampments in San Francisco, Oakland, and other places.  They dare the local authorities to remove them, and promise to resist when the attempt is made.  When questioned about their protests, all their slogans and signs, claiming to represent “the 99%” that wants to bring down the established order, arise from being more than disappointed (aka pissed) that no one respects their expensive degrees in art and minority studies enough to hire them, and that no one told them that that would be the case.

And so some of them have now learned to answer that they are against “predatory lenders”, and that “corporations are not people”, and “money is not speech”.  Their simple solution is to overturn the capitalistic underpinnings of the American economy that is seen as the source of all their problems.

OWS_TahrirMomentIn these crowds it’s hard to find one that can discuss corporate personhood and what benefits it provides a society, or what parts of it should be examined for possible revision.  No one can translate the collateral effects of restricting spending one’s money to communicate – since it costs to communicate, rules on monies used to communicate will slide us toward a police state where only certain communications will survive as state approved ‘free speech’.

Not one can define predatory lending – understanding the roles of lender and borrower and the guaranteeing of loans is beyond their ken.  They seem to conjure up images of a person innocently walking down the street who suddenly finds his pockets stuffed with unwanted money along with a draconian loan agreement to which his signature has been forged, and that person has no idea how it all came about.

And loonies on the left still tell us that the Occupy movement is just like the Tea Party movement.  One of these seeks to conserve, preserve, and restore the country by acting within the law and its established constitutional underpinnings.  The other wants to overturn the existing order and fundamentally transform the country by acting outside the law and bringing about change through revolution.

The Occupy movement has finally given the left a populist vehicle to voice and demonstrate their motives, means, and methods that differentiate them from those who seek to preserve America and continue its orderly and lawful evolution.  And these same occupiers claim to be in the mainstream.

[24oct2011 update]  Obama attempts to compare the Occupiers to the Tea Party movement in a lame and lying attempt to paint his demonstrators as just another expression of mainstream frustration with the world situation in general and the economy in particular.  The video ‘Are the Occupiers like the Tea Party?’ sheds some light on the explicit differences between the two movements.

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59 responses to “Oh Say Can You See the Difference Yet? (updated 24oct2011)”

  1. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Looks like the OWS movment has some on the right very scared.

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  2. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    I haven’t heard anyone say that OWS is “just like the Tea Party movement.” It’s pretty clear that the Tea Party is comprised of mostly people who vote for Republican candidates and OWS protesters are people who mostly vote for Democrats.
    But there are large percentages of voters in both movements who are no longer happy with their given political party. And their disaffection is remarkably similar: they say their political leaders don’t listen to them, that they bail out banks “too big to fail” but keep stickin’ it to the little guy, and that our state and federal gov’ts are completely dysfunctional.
    I’m not sure what the point is of trying to emphasize the differences. Isn’t it enough that both groups are sick to death of Wall Street and K Street running a rigged economic system into the ground?

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  3. George Rebane Avatar

    Correctamundo SteveE.
    MichaelA – the imputed similarity is that both movements consist of people who are pretty much the same in what values they hold, mores they practice, and outlook they have for proper governance. They do share the belief that their respective electeds have forsaken them, and therefore their desired form of government is broken. But there the similarities end – who they are and what they want puts them poles apart.

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  4. Russ Steele Avatar

    Michael, Will these quote do the job:
    • Vice President Joe Biden today likened the Occupy Wall Street protests to expressions of grassroots frustration by members of the Tea Party.
    • The president also compares the protesters to the Tea Party. “In some ways, they’re not that different from some of the protests that we saw coming from the Tea Party,” Obama says.
    But then again we have to deal with reality. The OWS’s actions speak much louder than their words:
    • In Cleveland they’re investigating a kidnapping and rape at OWS there.
    • In Atlanta, the OWS protesters stormed a hospital.
    • An OWS protester in Seattle was arrested for exposing himself to children.
    • They’re talking about plans to disrupt the World Series.
    • There is evidence of anti-Semitism.
    • And thievery is rampant within the OWS camps.
    I did not hear or read that the Tea Party Patriots had expressed any of these thoughts or have taken similar actions. While both are dissatisfied with their government leaders, that is were the similarities end. The OWS movement wants to destroy the government and the TPP wants to change the government, which they did in 2010 is a very constructive way. OWS is not going to change anything, other than provide more motivation for the uncommitted to join the Tea Party.

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  5. George Rebane Avatar

    Russ, I agree about the OWS driving up Tea Party memberships, but I do think that the OWS people have an opportunity to change things for the worse. The Republicans more or less would like to ignore the Tea Partiers because they don’t like their feet held to the fire. The Democrats (recall I am calling them Obama demonstrations cum riots) are promoting these gatherings and what they are turning into, because OWS attracts and energizes the kinds of voters that their entire socialist pathway depends on and needs in the voting booths in 2012. Meanwhile, their fellow travelers in the media and on pages like these continue to promote them, give them soft-fringed ideals, and ignore any of their lawlessness, violence, and calls to revolution.

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  6. RL Crabb Avatar

    In Italy, the protests were going fairly well until a large group of masked anarchists stormed through on a path of destruction that eventually led to fighting between the peaceful protesters and the violent fringe. Meanwhile, Willie (Da Mayor) Brown noted in his SF Gate piece that the local protest was “the smelliest” he had ever attended and said a homeless man told him the protesters were giving the neighborhood a bad name.
    The Dems had better be careful hitching their wagon to this star. Some of these unwashed will try to occupy their ramparts until physically removed so they can scream about “police brutality”. The Dems tried this forty years ago, and the result was a forty-nine state sweep by Dickie Nixon, even after events like Kent State.

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  7. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Europe is in need of something to stop the boredom of socialism. Isn’t it interesting that people are PO’d there enough to commit violence because they have too much PC? More freedom, not less may be beneficial to all those Europeans.

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  8. Dixon Cruickshank Avatar
    Dixon Cruickshank

    nice post RL

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  9. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    Ah shucks you guys, leave them street campers alone. After all, they are 99% of the problem so ya gotta feel sorry for them. Like, do you know how hard it is to charge your i-phone on the streets? It ain’t easy I tell ya, it ain’t bloody easy. Can’t even get real good sex unless you have a tent. What gives with that? Those rich little Daddy’s girls won’t share their tents with me. How mean and self centered of them. Future imperialists they are. But, Mr. Crabb had it right. When the Dems joined hands with the amazing Chicago Seven in 68, Richard M. Nixon went from zero to hero. Its taken 40 years for the Dems to shake the ingrained label of being soft on crime, weak on National Security, and flower children. May not be fair or accurate, but read em and weep. Best thing that could ever happen to Obama’s challenger (whomever that might be) is for Joe Biden to keep talking and to have Nancy and Harry and Barry welcome the occupiers into the fold. Americans hate mobs and mob violence and mob mentalities. The gift that keeps on giving.

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  10. RL Crabb Avatar

    Yeah, Bill, the Republicans are going to need all the help they can get, given the crew of neanderthals presently vying for the opportunity to lead us into the future. After seeing the audience boo an individual who volunteered to protect our sorry asses from the Moozlims just because he’s gay, or cheer at the hypothetical prospect of someone dying without health insurance, these are not values that I am looking for.
    It’s a pretty sorry state of affairs when the best outcome a moderate can look forward to is reelecting an inept leftist President with an insane right wing congress.

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  11. Russ Steele Avatar

    RL,
    You paint with too broad a brush. “seeing the audience boo an individual who volunteered to protect our sorry asses” There were 5,000 people in the room and only 2-3 at the most booed. So, you are willing to let 2 -3 people speak for the other 5,000. I thought you were smarter than that.

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  12. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Divided government ain’t that bad. I think a twinkie could beat O anyway.

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  13. Russ Steele Avatar

    This is one view of the OWS from our local left”
    This area traditionally has been highly conservative, but it is becoming more “purple.” In our towns, at least in the most simplistic sense, the Occupy Wall Street movements represents the more “purple” side, while the tea party represents what has been the traditional political and economic center. The tea party here is not “new.”
    My question is, does the OWS really represent those who decline to state their political affilation, the purple in our community? Does the Tea Party represent the “old order?” Your thoughts?

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  14. Russ Steele Avatar

    Glenn Reynolds at the Instapundit shares some thoughts on the OWS Movement.
    THE PROBLEM WITH THE #OCCUPY MOVEMENT — NO EXIT STRATEGY:
    “You come, you conquer, and then time passes, protesters get dirty and ugly, internal divisions crack them up, the nearby residents get disgusted, the local businesses get mad, and then what? There’s isn’t going to be a revolution. It’s not Egypt. In the end, they’ll have to break up and go home. Or hope the cops come in and bust them up so they can end with a bang.”
    Well, that’s one problem. The other is that the value of the sword of Damocles is that it hangs, not that it falls. Obama told Wall Street that he was the only thing standing between them and the pitchforks. That scared them into line for a while. But now Wall Street’s sick of him, and doesn’t care. They’re not playing ball like they used to.
    So he unleashed the pitchforks and what we got was the #occupy movement, a pathetic, and totally non-scary, embarrassment for the Democrats. Republicans are now hoping they’ll stay in place until November of 2012.

    Yes, yes, yes!

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  15. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Bob was complaining that we on the conservative side were “hating” the OWS crowd for criticizing them, yet calls the R candidates “neanderthals” because he disagrees with their politics. As was pointed out, there were only a handful of boos when the soldier spoke and no one cheered people dying because of no health insurance. When you have to make things up to keep your hate going, it’s time to rethink your life.
    The various OWS mobs have repeatedly and openly broken the laws and are quite proud of it.
    They are not articulating anything of any worth beyond ‘I’m not happy’. In contrast the TPs have been very peaceful and focused on the need for a Constitutional govt that would not have gotten us into the financial mess we are in.

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  16. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Russ wrote: “There were 5,000 people in the room and only 2-3 at the most booed.”
    Exactly. And there’s a picture of a guy crapping on a cop car that is painting OWS with a broad brush as well.
    I’ll keep saying it: the vast majority of the TPP and OWS supporters work their butts off at their day jobs, begrudgingly pay their taxes and hate how the gov’t spends their money, and they’re mad as hell and they’re not going to take it anymore.
    Trying to pin down frustration movements such as OWS and TPP with a series of planks supporting an organized platform will bring you no joy. That’s the beauty of them, they are undefinable.
    These are not new political parties, they are populist movements. Just sit back and enjoy the ride; how they turn out affecting the coming Democrat-Republican presidential and congressional elections will be a fascinating exercise in deterministic chaos.

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  17. RL Crabb Avatar

    I don’t really care about the audience. It was the deafening silence from the podium that concerns me. No one stood up and said “that’s wrong.” They’re all so scared of offending the Tea Party.
    And look at these characters. You say Obama didn’t have enough experience, but you all go gaga over Cain, who can barely articulate a position without stumbling over it. I got news for ol’ Herman: Government isn’t like running a business. Meanwhile, the rats are deserting the Bachmann campaign now that it has become apparent that she has zero chance of becoming the nominee. Russ has already said he can’t support the Newtser or Romney. Then you have Rick “deer in the headlights” Perry…Yeah, the GOP has problems.

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  18. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Cain will be following Bachmann, both Not Ready for Primetime Players. At least Bachmann has been tempered by elections in the past.
    No, business is not statecraft. A good CEO might make for a half-decent dictator right out of the box, but herding cats and legislatures takes different skills. He should try a Senate seat first.

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  19. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Bob Crab nailed the real issue vs. Russ’s math break down on how many yelled out in the audience.
    This is the real, sick issue of that “event”:
    “It was the deafening silence from the podium that concerns me. No one stood up and said “that’s wrong.” They’re all so scared of offending the Tea Party”.
    Bob nailed the real issue.

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  20. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Greg is on right on point about Cain… and Bachmann too.

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  21. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    No one stood up against Borat or other Sacha Baron Cohen outrages, either. Ignoring boorishness in a pained silence is a coping mechanism. It’s also been the mainstay of the Funt’s Candid Camera franchise.

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  22. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Ron Paul got a nice long chat this morning with Meet the Depressed’s David Gregory. Dr.Paul has been talking the talk for a quarter century that I know of, and, unlike when Cain was sitting in the same seat, Paul remained on his feet, unscathed.
    Every time I watch the relatively inept Dem water carrier David Gregory I miss Tim Russert even more. Russert, who was once a staffer for the eminently decent Dem Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, had his point of view and didn’t try to hide it, but still managed to do his homework to put folks he agreed with on the spot, and always treated the opposition with respect. I still have his last MtP saved on TiVo; just can’t bring myself to delete it.

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  23. George Rebane Avatar

    It’s interesting and amusing to see the debate over the 2 or 3 tea partiers who may have said the wrong thing, and then compare it with the hundreds (thousands?) at the OWS demonstrations who are screaming for revolution, at the police, at capitalism, at government (while wanting it to be even bigger), continue to be arrested (‘Take me, take meee!!’) for breaking laws, … . Ah, the parity of it all.

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  24. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    Here is the video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwoh6g05hj4
    Now we should compare and contrast struggles.
    DADT and this:
    http://www.rastasurvival.com/images/A_-_slave_ship_2.jpg
    I see the similarities…NOT (Borat)

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  25. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    “You wanna be commander in chief? You can start by standing up for the men and women who wear the United States uniform, even when it’s not politically convenient.” – President Obama

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  26. Mikey McD Avatar

    I forgot, what unconstitutional war did Obama earn the peace prize for (so many of them going at once I can’t keep track)?

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  27. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    Playing around in poo Steve, is not a good idea.
    Here:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001324/
    “Causes, incidence, and risk factors
    Hepatitis B infection can be spread through having contact with the blood, semen, vaginal fluids, and other body fluids of someone who already has a hepatitis B infection.
    Infection can be spread through:
    •Blood transfusions (not common in the United States)
    •Direct contact with blood in health care settings
    •Sexual contact with an infected person
    •Tattoo or acupuncture with unclean needles or instruments
    •Shared needles during drug use
    •Shared personal items (such as toothbrushes, razors, and nail clippers) with an infected person
    The hepatitis B virus can be passed to an infant during childbirth if the mother is infected.
    Risk factors for hepatitis B infection include:
    •Being born, or having parents who were born in regions with high infection rates (including Asia, Africa, and the Caribbean)
    •Being infected with HIV
    •Being on hemodialysis
    •Having multiple sex partners

    *******•Men having sex with men******

    •Chronic hepatitis B infection increases the risk for liver damage, including cirrhosis and liver cancer.
    •People who have chronic hepatitis B can transmit the infection. They are considered carriers of the disease, even if they do not have any symptoms”
    Think about readiness and the other troops!

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  28. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Thanks for the link, DK. I’d forgotten exactly what it sounded like.
    On reexamination, I think they were booing the policy being called for, not the soldier.

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  29. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    Me too.

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  30. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    They were boojng the policy not the soldier, the left is desperate for some examples they can bludgeon the TPP with. I am still waiting for Obama to apologize for the intro he followed and the words “son of a beeches” was used. Crabb, any outrage on your part there? Here is the Hoffa link.
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/lets-take-these-son-of-bitches-out-teamster-president-hoffa-calls-for-war-on-tea-party-at-obama-labor-day-event/
    The military should not be used for sexual education. DADT needs to be reinstated.

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  31. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    D. kings 12:20 post sure is tragic.

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  32. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    D. kings 12:20 post sure is tragic.
    Please explain.

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  33. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    George says “interesting and amusing to see the debate over the 2 or 3 tea partiers who may have said the wrong thing”. (George, as an FYI, Barry posted on Russ’s blog that these candistaes are not Tea Party associated).
    Sorry, Cain is not just mis-speaking. Cain is flip-flopping on some key conservative, Tea Party issues every other day. One could not back track and pander any harder if one tried.
    Look at who is going after Cain for this… it’s conservatives Bachmann and Santorum that are calling Cain Mr. Flip-Flop, not ready for prime time, not ready to hold office.
    Here’s a piece from the Boston Globe that covers some of the “issues” Cain keeps getting “lost” on and what Bachmann and Santorum say about it:
    ttp://www.boston.com/Boston/politicalintelligence/2011/10/gop-rivals-say-cain-flip-flopping-social-issues/oWRhFOJQofxtAuGwA0xwnM/index.html

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  34. RL Crabb Avatar

    Todlydyte, once again you are confusing me with someone who sympathizes with the Democrats. I think I’ve made it pretty clear I don’t care for either of your dinosaur parties.
    D. King -Somehow you seem to think that only homosexual soldiers are a risk for disease. Maybe not in the Muslim countries, but soldiers and prostitutes in other theaters go together like ham and eggs.
    Greg – You’re right about Russert. God, how I miss honest journalism.
    George – It’s what the Tea Party doesn’t say. I still maintain they only stay away from social issues to get the votes they need to get their puritan agenda into power.
    It’s about controlling people’s lives. Both parties are guilty. I say live and let live.

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  35. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Here’s another good story about Cain and him being lost in space:
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/ct-oped-1023-chapman-20111023,0,1073799.story

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  36. George Rebane Avatar

    BobRL 143pm – You proscribe the TP for what it “doesn’t say” because they openly want to maximize support for their limited principles of governance. And that is what – sneaky, immoral, corrupt, dishonest, underhanded, … what ??!! (This may be the height of hubris, at least in my experience. But then, I’m just a young’un.)

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  37. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Todd says… “They were boojng the policy not the soldier”. That’s not the real issue of that incident.
    Bob Crabb nailed the real issue vs. Russ’s math break down on how many yelled out in the audience:
    “It was the deafening silence from the podium that concerns me. No one stood up and said “that’s wrong.” They’re all so scared of offending the Tea Party”.
    Bob nailed the real issue.

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  38. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    Mr. Steele, here is a objective site to check out. I see the tent cities popping up as a microcosm of society. From coast to coast, the original Occupy tent cities have had to form their internal security to deal with various problems of human nature and human behavior. Homeless have taken advantage of joining for the free sandwiches and having a port-a-potty close by. The tent cities welcome them…er…has long as they help out and not be free loaders, ha!. Other camps have segregated into the true believers in one space and the “A” camps on the other side of tent city. “A” camps is the latest buzz word for the anarchists. The soft sounds emitting from parks from DC to Oakland fill the still night air with the soothing sounds of arguing, drunkards fighting and blissful domestic violence. Think it was Cincinnati where internal Occupy security forces beat a homeless mentally ill man into unconsciousness when he got out of hand. All in all, it sounds just like any society when you put too many rats in a cage with various egos, agendas, and priorities. Guess we the people will be paying to change the newspaper in their cages for health reasons. Without police presence will it turn into Lord of the Flies, or be like NYC yesterday when only 300 marched uptown?http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-news/ci_19139574

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  39. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    “D. King -Somehow you seem to think that only homosexual soldiers are a risk for disease. Maybe not in the Muslim countries, but soldiers and prostitutes in other theaters go together like ham and eggs.”
    Funny you should mention ham!
    It’s odd that some laws we see as archaic have a sound foundation in science, like pork and trichinosis or poo and hepatitis. Much different than the clap.

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  40. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Crabblydyte, I would suggest you start your own party, organize it and then run for office.
    I see there is silence from the lefties here regarding the Hoffa comment and the deafening silence from Obama as he made a speech right afterwards. Why is that lefties?

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  41. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    We life in a nation where free speech and freedom of the press are our touchstones. Freedom of the press is necessary in a free society…er…unless you are in Occupy Oakland. Turning a dog loose on a reporter for daring to objectively capture life in camp is perhaps not the best way to win friends and influence people. It would make Castro, Hugo, the mullahs in Tehran unhappy cause the reporter lived and was not imprisoned. Be that as it may, this hostility of the news media is a bit Nixonian. http://patdollard.com/2011/10/abc-reporter%E2%80%99s-life-threatened-at-occupy-oakland-%E2%80%9Cwe-shoot-white-bitches-like-you-around-here/

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  42. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Still trying to equate the TP with the OWS? Look at the overall picture of the majority of the crowds. Ain’t even close, brother. And to say wait and see the effect? The TP has already had an effect. People that were elected to office with the TP support. The TP message is loud and clear. Constitutional governance. Period.
    Secret Puritan agenda? Again, Bob – if you have to make things up to keep your hate on, time to re-think your life.
    There are a lot of things I don’t like about a lot of the R candidates. Some – like Romney, are just a rehash of Bush and McCain. Perry seems to be too much of a slick who has already risen to his highest level of incompetence. I like Cain the best as he has the proven leadership skills to carry out the duties of the job. You will notice he has stayed more focused than the others on the central problem of putting folks back to work. And he knows how that is accomplished. Whether or not he can get his tax policies pushed through remain to be seen. But he is, right now, our best hope. That and getting rid of the freak show in the legislative branch. As long as we have folks like Barney Frank, Barbara Lee, Maxine Waters and Dennis Kucinich in large enough numbers to get their agendas moved forward, we are going to be an economic backwater.
    When the economy has tanked completely and the food riots start, where the candidate stood on gay marriage and abortion isn’t going to seem real important.

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  43. RL Crabb Avatar

    I don’t hate anybody, Scott, but I have a problem with the agendas put forth by the two parties. All I want are people who can solve problems and get us back on track. It’s a great country, and it deserves another two hundred years if we can concentrate on what’s important and can the bullshit.
    As for Cain and the Republicans, after Herman made the faux pas on abortion, I went to the Red State site and read the comments. They were 100% crazy angry that Herman might be waffling on the issue. Don’t try to tell me these issues aren’t going to be on the front burner once the right wing sleazes into office.

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  44. George Rebane Avatar

    “… once the right wing sleazes into office.” Oh my!

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  45. RL Crabb Avatar

    Yeah, I’m a little testy today, George. I’m just fed up with both sides telling me the same old bullpucky. It’s all about “winning” as Charlie Sheen would say.

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  46. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    Here Bob, something to laugh at.
    A spontaneous OWS uprising.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilFMHRll5QA&feature=player_embedded

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  47. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Cain is the same old bullpucky??? Gee whiz Bob, what would make you happy?
    Cain is all about what every one claims they want and as soon as he shows up, everyone runs off screaming. Cain has shown he can solve problems and get folks working. Actually, I think that’s the problem. They would have to work. No more freeloading.
    Even if Roe V. Wade is overturned, abortion will still be legal in most states.
    As I said, once the food riots start, it won’t be much of an issue.

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  48. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I guess I am unclear on the constant whining about the two parties by Crabb etal. Tell us please how you would fix what you claim are the problems. Term limits? Yeah those worked real well in California. NOT! Dictatorship? Mass resignations of al l the legislators to be replaced by? Organize and elect a third party legislature throughout the country? I am confused by the trashing of every single candidate the R’s are putting up. Especially the trashing of Cain. He is not a politician yet the Crabb’s and etal’s complain the politicians are the problem. So please explain to us how yu will repair r fix the problems you claim there is. Oh, you can’t? Yep, just outside looking in. At least Enos ran for office and got elected. Sheesh.

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  49. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Cain has no chance at being elected to any office, anywhere, anytime. Not even Dogcatcher in Mayberry RFD. He has no experience as a politician. Ron Paul at least knows how the system works.
    The only system that Cain knows about is how to get pizzas to the people. End of story. He is a complete waste of time, politically. He is nothing more than a motivational speaker hyping his brand. He is an embarrassment to our political process and he should get out of the race before he does any further damage to our national interest.
    I would vote for Donald Trump before Herman Cain. I would vote for one of my pets before Herman Cain. What a joke political system we have…

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  50. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    True, we have you giving political discourse. Yep, pretty humorous.

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