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George Rebane

[This is the transcript of my regular KVMR commentary broadcast on 21 October 2011.  Here I have provided some links to expand the recorded material, and added a recent Ramirez who always summarizes succinctly.]

The Occupy Wall Street crowd has taken its template from the street critics of Europe’s socialist countries, and its marching orders from a Team Obama that needs to soften up the country for next year’s re-election.  Some media mavens on the left are deliriously happy to report that now they also have their ‘tea party’ movement, but the attempts to compare the two don’t stand up to scrutiny – at least so far.

The ‘occupy’ name has been well chosen, for to occupy means to take possession and control of a space, place, or organization.  Occupiers are foreign to the normal or indigenous population of a place, and seek to replace the pre-occupation order of their target space, place or organization.  The people on the streets today most certainly admit that, although what they want to replace it with is still not nailed down.

Enough of these demonstrations have gone on to allow some early polling to take place.  Bill Schoen, former Bill Clinton pollster, reports “research (showing) clearly that the movement doesn’t represent unemployed America and is not ideologically diverse. Rather, it comprises an unrepresentative segment of the electorate that believes in radical redistribution of wealth, civil disobedience and, in some instances, violence.”  Moreover, he finds that “the protesters have a distinct ideology and are bound by a deep commitment to radical left-wing policies”, and that “the vast majority of them are employed.” (more here)

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Most of this is certainly evident from the posted videos of the Occupy demonstrations in New York, Los Angeles, Berkeley, and other large urban areas.  From such locations there have been gathered photos showing rather pathetic looking young people holding up hand-printed summaries of the dire straits in which they find themselves.  A common theme in those complaints is a deep disappointment that the education for which they borrowed so much is worthless as far as landing a job.  These kids are of the generation that our educational system has taught to ‘follow your heart’ in picking an area of study, and then expect that when you graduate, someone will see value in what you know.  After all, isn’t having a fulfilling job with a just living wage one of our inalienable rights?

These kinds of directionless people with little knowledge and fewer skills make up the dissatisfied masses that are ripe for the picking of leftwing ideologues.  For that they have attracted support and cheerleading from unions like the SEIU and the UAW, from radical left politicals like the American Socialist Party and the American Communist Party, and even the American Nazi Party wants to elbow in there and see who they can attract from the clueless.  Their banners and signs say it all.

Some deep thinkers have even tried to compare the Occupy folks with the tea party movement.  There they could not be farther off course for the two social phenomena are literally 180 apart along every dimension you care to examine.  But basically, one wants a revolution leading to a new order, and the other wants to preserve the aspects of governance and economic thought that have made this nation great.  (Tea Party Patriots Mark Meckler’s rebuttal here)

To see how our local Occupiers stack up with Bill Schoen’s findings, I went to last Wednesday’s Nevada City occupation.  The demonstration was attended by about 150 folks who, from their spoken sentiments and hand-painted signs, were definitely persuaded by leftwing ideas.  They were a peaceful and friendly lot without much direction, busy drawing up last minute signs about corporations being bad, and all of them led by a lone horn player.  No one was angry on that balmy fall afternoon, it was an affair that would get everyone home in time for dinner.

But I see these Obama demonstrations having legs that could easily take them into 2012 and become a major factor in next year’s election.  The demonstrators will definitely be swayed by the riots in Europe, and as they become more organized, the occupiers will have no one to support but President Obama and the Democrats.  And our polarization will then become stronger for it.

My name is Rebane, and I also expand on these and other themes in my Union columns, and on georgerebane.com where this transcript appears with appropriate links to reference materials.  These opinions are not necessarily shared by KVMR.  Thank you for listening.

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76 responses to “Who are the Occupiers?”

  1. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    PaulE, all of Cheney’s monetary issues were placed in a blind trust throughout his term. All politicians do that. He did not have anything to do with his money except his VP salary.

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  2. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Ben, Reagan had Tip O’Neil as Speaker, and, if you read the Constitution you’ll find all tax and spending bills have to originate in the House.
    Social Security taxes went up in Reagan’s time supposedly for my generation to pay for its benefits. A cruel joke, what it mostly did was pay for higher benefits for seniors at the time, free money the Congress pretended to pay fair interest on into the “trust fund” of IOU’s, and easy reelections for folks like Claude Pepper D-FL who had the retirees kissing his feet every second November.
    Dwight Eisenhower to the left of Nancy Pelosi… whoever gave you that idea has been smoking some bad granola.

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  3. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Sure Todd
    Cheney didn’t exert any influence in the exclusive 7B contract to Haliburton that didn’t allow competitive bids. Really! You have such blind faith when the Republicans are in control. Imagine your howl if the VP was Biden and the 7 billion $ non competitive contract was awarded to his former employer who had just bought him out with a 26 B severance package. You reveal your true colors here Todd.

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  4. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Tod
    correction: 26 million severance package
    Greg
    Just a reminder about the Eisenhower legacy. From the Eisenhower Memorial no less
    “Dwight Eisenhower was the principal force behind the greatest single expansion of Social Security beneficiaries in the history of the program. He led the legislative drive to add over ten million Americans to the system. Here’s how it developed.
    When the Social Security Act became law in 1935 its purposes were primarily aimed at factory workers and other employees of business organizations. The legislative process leading to passage of the law was both lengthy and contentious. Large numbers of working American’s were left out of the original Old Age and Survivors Insurance coverage. No major changes in the Social Security law had been made since its initial passage.
    During the presidential campaign of 1952, candidate Eisenhower made it clear that he believed the federal government played a rightful role in establishing the Social Security system, but he made no promises concerning its future. However, after the election it became clear that the Republicans would have control, by slim margins, of both the House of Representatives and the Senate. This changed the political and legislative landscape considerably.
    Previously, expansion of the Social Security system or increasing the level of payments to retired Americans had been given no chance to succeed in the Congress because there were enough conservative Democrats (and the majority of Republicans) who would vote against such bills. With a Republican President it now appeared likely that the majority of congressional Republicans would honor their President and support his initiatives. Among the new legislative possibilities, action on Social Security now seemed possible.
    Thirteen days after taking his oath of office, President Eisenhower delivered his first State of the Union message to Congress and, when discussing the need for greater effectiveness of government programs, he said, “The provisions of the old-age and survivors insurance law should promptly be extended to cover millions of citizens who have been left out of the social security system.”
    http://www.eisenhowermemorial.org/social-security.htm

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  5. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Paul, what you have dug up is evidence of ‘sausage’ making. I am shocked (shocked!) that the Eisenhower administration might have gone along with a Social Security expansion to buy Democratic congressional votes for something else.
    What Ben claimed was that Eisenhower was to the left of current Democrats; that remains unsupported and very probably delusional.

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  6. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    PaulE, perhaps you should do a better research effort on Halliburton. Clinton’s Administration hired them as well. So, is that a conflict? Or did you just conveniently forget that?
    BTW, what is your opinion and criticism of all the ACORN money since Obama was involved with them as a community organizer? How about your opinion on the stimulus money going to pay Teacher’s Union pensions as well as the other unions since they gave 380 million to Obama?

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  7. Ben Emery Avatar

    Greg,
    Directly from the Eisenhower library.
    Letter to his brother Ed,
    Excerpt
    “The political processes of our country are such that if a rule of reason is not applied in this effort, we will lose everything–even to a possible and drastic change in the Constitution. This is what I mean by my constant insistence upon “moderation” in government. Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas.5 Their number is negligible and they are stupid. ”
    He was talking about the modern day republican party leadership and financial backers. By todays standard Eisenhower is a lefty.
    It was during the reagan administration when the FICA taxes were drastically increased the other modern day lefty.

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  8. Ben Emery Avatar

    Greg,
    You are really grasping at straws here and I have better things to do. I am sure we will get back to this subject again and maybe you will have a better argument than shifting power administration to administration. So would you logic go towards the claim that Reagan defeated communism, it was really O’Neil. By the way Reagan didn’t defeat anything on his own he just continued the policy of containment that had been in place since the 40’s.

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  9. Mikey McD Avatar

    Ben, corporations are human beings. Unions are human beings. K-9’s are dogs.
    Question-Just how much did corporations contribute to McCain’s/Obama’s the last presidential campaign?
    Answer- ZILCH.
    Question- Were the top donors public sector union employees or private sector non-union employees?
    Answer- The top donors were in fact PUBLIC SECTOR UNION EMPLOYEES. Do we need an amendment to protect society from public sector unions?

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  10. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd
    Clinton did not personally profit from their well being as did Cheney. Neither did he work for them before taking office. Acorn is chump change compared to the 7 B no competition contract awarded by the Bushies to Haliburton . Cheney continued to profit after he became
    VP. He was just not allowed to participate in decision making. why should he? He knew shat to do.
    Of course not Mikey (amendment). As an Libertarian you must appreciate those organizations donating as they wish as a gesture of free speech.
    Yes Ben. The myth of Ronald Reagan lives on. He’s the most over hyped President in history. I give him high marks or style though.
    Greg
    Eisenhower really wanted to increase Social Security coverage. It wasn’t just a bargaining chip.
    Here’s more on why I like Ike
    “Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron.”
    ― Dwight D. Eisenhower
    In most communities it is illegal to cry “fire” in a crowded assembly. Should it not be considered serious international misconduct to manufacture a general war scare in an effort to achieve political aims? ”
    ― Dwight D. Eisenhower
    hmm WMD’s ?

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  11. Mikey McD Avatar

    Paul, would you allow liberty lovin’ folks like me to OPT-OUT of SS (I would gladly let them keep the $180k I have paid in if they would let me out)?

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  12. Ben Emery Avatar

    Mickey,
    Why do I have to keep writing this on these pages, Unions are special interests and should not be allowed to fund political parties or candidates.
    I 100% support unions and the right to collectively bargain but individual votes not consolidated money should determine our elections.
    The first paragraph from an open letter to the citizens of the 2010 US Congressional 4th.
    “Nothing in our Constitution addresses political parties or partisanship. However, over the past 30 years, political parties have presented partisanship as the only operating paradigm. Our government has become less representative because that’s what BOTH parties want. They fight for campaign dollars instead of votes, then use those dollars to manipulate opinion in an effort to frighten voters to take their side. This was not what the founders envisioned for our grand republic.”

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  13. Ben Emery Avatar

    Mickey,
    When you opt out of SS and then fall on hard times later in life for no fault of your own are we as a society supposed let you suffer? Now multiply your intentions with a couple million people within our nation, no amount of good hearted charity will be able to take it on.

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  14. Mikey McD Avatar

    Ben, just wanted to highlight that you forgot to call out employee unions (especially public employee unions) in your opt-ed piece… though your anti-corporation stance WAS noted in the same op-ed piece.
    I am heartened to read of your appreciation of our republic (not a “democracy”).

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  15. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    So, Ben Emery has decided he has better things to do than support his claim that Eisenhower was to the left of modern Democrats.
    Paul Emery, in his attempt to rewrite history, picks up the baton Ben drops and runs with Eisenhower the Warrior’s anti-war sentiments. Sorry Paul, but Republicans were the core of the “isolationism” (the Democrat’s derisive term) that slowed FDR’s entry into WWII; this wasn’t Ike being “left wing”, this is classic Republican conservatism. And the Iraqi WMD scare was manufactured primarily by the Iraqis, who wanted their neighbors to believe they had them, and thought they’d corrupted the UN with enough Oil for Palaces graft to keep the US at bay.
    Iraq really was in Niger prospecting for yellowcake uranium; British intelligence had it right.

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  16. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Greg
    Wrong!
    You are ignoring the fact that the “evidence” of Iraq’s interest in Niger uranium was based on a forgery.
    From the New Yorker
    “Then the story fell apart. On March 7th, Mohamed ElBaradei, the director-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, in Vienna, told the U.N. Security Council that the documents involving the Niger-Iraq uranium sale were fakes. ‘The I.A.E.A. has concluded, with the concurrence of outside experts, that these documents . . . are in fact not authentic,’ ElBaradei said.”
    “One senior I.A.E.A. official went further. He told [Hersh], ‘These documents are so bad that I cannot imagine that they came from a serious intelligence agency. It depresses me, given the low quality of the documents, that it was not stopped. At the level it reached, I would have expected more checking.’”

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  17. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    No Paul, it was NOT based on that forgery. As Christopher Hitchens has written, “The subsequent mysteriously forged documents claiming evidence of an actual deal made between Zahawie and Niger were circulated well after the first British report (and may have been intended to discredit it) and have been deemed irrelevant by two independent inquiries in London.”
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/07/case_closed.html
    It should also be noted the forgeries were also deemed irrelevant to the bipartisan congressional investigation that eventually agreed with the British position.

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  18. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Wrong Greg
    This is the summary of the Iraq Survey group about the so called attempts to purchase yellow cake from Niger.
    “Investigation Into Uranium Pursuits and Indigenous Production Capabilities
    Foreign Pursuits
    ISG has not found evidence to show that Iraq sought uranium from abroad after 1991 or renewed indigenous production of such material—activities that we believe would have constituted an Iraqi effort to reconstitute a nuclear weapons program. As part of its investigation, ISG sought information from prominent figures such as Ja’far Diya’ Ja’far—the head of the pre-1991 nuclear weapons program.

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  19. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Wrong, Paul.
    That the Iraq Survey Group didn’t find purchased yellowcake or contracts laying around doesn’t speak to the Iraqi chief “nuclear goon” traveling to Niger, nor would the the head of the pre-’91 nuke program be a credible witness of what al-Zahawie would be doing or Saddam intending a decade later.
    They were poking around for uranium, and they were expecting the US to give up the embargo sooner or later. Read the Hitchen’s pieces on the subject, comrade Christopher does a good job of putting the pieces together

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  20. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Greg
    The Iraq Survey Group was a fact-finding mission sent by the multinational force in Iraq to find the alleged weapons of mass destruction to be possessed by Iraq that had been the main reason for the invasion. It consisted of a 1,400-member international team organized by the Pentagon and Central Intelligence Agency to hunt for the alleged stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological agents, and any supporting research programs and infrastructure that could be used to develop WMD.
    What more do you want? Hitchens is an independent journalist with an opinion piece. The IRQ was the most comprehensive investigation into the questions about WMD’s and this is what they concluded. On one hand you support the CIA’s allegations that he had WMD’s but ignore later research by the CIA and Pentagon that unequivocally said they didn’t. Neither were they looking for uranium in Niger. You are such a Bush apologist that it clouds your judgement.
    Again, their findings
    “ISG has not found evidence to show that Iraq sought uranium from abroad after 1991 or renewed indigenous production of such material—activities that we believe would have constituted an Iraqi effort to reconstitute a nuclear weapons program.”

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  21. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    I’m not a “Bush apologist”, Paul, I just never had a need to invent stuff to hate him for. It’s a shame Democrats couldn’t nominate a candidate that could beat him (and no, neither did).
    No, they didn’t find any smoking guns that showed an active nuke program, but we’re still left with an Iraqi nuclear goon claiming not to know the country he had visited under diplomatic cover had uranium as its only valuable export.
    Sorry, that strains credulity, and the Brits still think he was there to talk about uranium.

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  22. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    “ISG has not found evidence to show that Iraq sought uranium from abroad after 1991 or renewed indigenous production of such material”
    Please note, this is NOT a statement equivalent to “ISG has determined Iraq did not seek uranium from abroad after 1991”.

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  23. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I just loved Tony Blair’s speech to the Joint secession of Congress on the issues in July 2003. One of the finest I have ever heard. Paul should listen to it. If you do, listen all the way through, it is a masterpiece.
    http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/177391-1

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  24. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    “Joint secession of Congress”? Might be a good idea, but not what you intended.

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  25. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd
    Joint secession? Not a bad idea actually
    I’m impressed that you found Blair inspiring since he’s a Liberal and a Socialist by the general definition in this blog. Yes, he sure could deliver a speech like someone else we know.
    Of course most of what he said about Iraq was found not to be true and eventially his famous “mushroom cloud” statement made him a laughing stock and accelerated his resignation.
    I take it you believe that it is our mission to “liberated” oppressed nations from their dictatorial leaders because it is our calling to enforce “freedom” in the world. I take it then you were a strong supporter of our intervention in Libya and wish we would have sent troops into Egypt as well.
    Todd Juvinall stands besides the Socialist Tony Blair. “Necessity makes such strange bedfellows”
    WM Shakespeard

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  26. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Who are the OWS folks? well keep saying they are jobless bums all you want, it’s not the truth:
    Injured vet spent day at work, nights at protest
    The Associated Press OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) — The Iraq War veteran injured in clashes between police and anti-Wall Street protesters felt so strongly about economic inequality that he wanted to do something to change it.
    Roommate Keith Shannon says that Scott Olsen, 24, joined the protests as he worked his day job as a network engineer. He left his apartment at night to sleep alongside protesters in San Francisco and Oakland, Calif.
    Olsen, 24, apparently suffered a fractured skull Tuesday during the clashes.
    It’s not known exactly what type of object struck Olsen or who might have thrown it. The group Iraq Veterans Against the War said officers were responsible for his injury. Police are investigating.

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