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Nevada City Occupied

19 October 2011

George Rebane

On a mild October late afternoon with fall colors in the air, about 150 good-hearted but misguided people gathered to express their opposition to …, well, it was hard to say. But a theme that tried to surface was that ‘Corporations are bad, peace is good’. A couple of Nevada City’s finest stayed quietly in the background; no one expected trouble and no one delivered it. It was just a planned demonstration of solidarity with those in the big cities like New York and Los Angeles who want to pull down capitalism and replace it with communism. OK, so they’ll start with socialism, but the communists are a patient lot and know that their turn (opportunity?) will come soon enough – socialism is just a slippery slope to their front door. No one really knew what they were doing, it was just a nice evening to assemble, walk, protest our sick economy, and while we may, enjoy this great gift which we call the United States of America.

Posted in Agenda 21, Current Affairs, Happenings, Nevada County, Our Country

87 responses to “Nevada City Occupied”

George Rebane

20 October 2011

BenE 1025am – Am familiar with the PC answer as to why our kids stay dumb while school spending multiplies upward. The problem is that the ‘two-parents working’ is not the recent phenomenon claimed by the union-promoting left. A very large counter example is the evidence from the children of WW2 refugee immigrants made up of families where both parents worked (usually at hard physical jobs), built their homes, and raised their families. I am from such a home – my parents worked through all my school years and so did all the immigrant parents. I am a proud product of the American public school system from the alfa to the omega. My blessing was that I was able to be educated when teachers had recourse on students, and school districts had recourse on teachers – consequently, almost all my teachers were godlike in their classrooms and interactions with their students.
The stats on the hundreds of thousands (millions) of kids that came out of ‘two-parents working’ families are impressive by any standard, especially today’s. It was a no-nonsense existence, we all arrived home about the same time, and we all had to pull our weight to make the family work until everyone went their separate way in the morning.
As a hot button conclusion, let me again state that I have found this generation’s teachers, in the aggregate (with the inevitable exceptions), to be an ignorant and justifiably defensive lot, working primarily to get through an unrewarding career to enjoy their pensions. OWS again confirms that very few of them know enough to properly advise their students.

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Douglas Keachie

20 October 2011

Bring the troops home. Use them and their equipment to help build the world’s largest solar infrastructure systems, including hybrid systems that generate electricity by panel during the day, to, in part, pump water uphill, to then generate electricity at night, as the water returns downhill through turbines all night long. Somebody should be looking at the south facing slopes for suitable terrain, near major urban centers. Or perhaps a whole series of smaller ones to power electric rail lines, would help build the future.

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George Rebane

20 October 2011

DougK – the economic feasibility of such wonderfully simplistic schemes as this one are easy to pencil out on a spreadsheet. Put in the costs or building such a facility per KWhr per acre generated, put in the cost to build the water reservoirs at altitude along with the water pumping costs, put in the cost of keeping the denuded mountainsides from eroding in the rains, put the hydro-electric plant costs, put in the maintenance costs and the conversion efficiencies, and then amortize the whole thing over whatever period you want at an interest rate of your choosing to see at what cost you will be selling electricity into the grid to make things work out. I believe that then you and your fellow enthusiasts in such delightful projects will see why no one is busting their balls to build one of these things on their own nickel. (Anything is possible using OPM extracted by force.)

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Todd Juvinall

20 October 2011

BenE denigrates others with fancy words and when confronted denies it all. He declares himself cordial. No BenE, your writings always contavin veiled slights and cloaked slams and you think it is so funny I guess. Fior instance you said this a couple of posts ago,
“Russ,
I agree with most of what you wrote but I do know many people in the NCTPP and their understanding of how government works and who has been responsible for the policies that have brought our country to our knees isn’t that high.”
This is a prime example of how and what a “smarter than everyone else” liberals does. Your obviously saying the TPP are stupid. I say they are smarter because they are real people, not those handed a free lunch. You see BenE, you want a discourse that you want but don’t practice. When you decide to stop being high and mighty and dis little old ladies and WW2 veterans, then maybe you would gain a little respect here.

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Walt

20 October 2011

Keach.you never answered my question from way back. ( or you chose to flat out ignore it) that was you playing in the street dressed like you were on a Hawaiian vacation? (A red, flowery, Hawaiian shirt, cargo shorts, and a straw hat if my memory is right after all this time. but I know I’m close. OR was it your partner? But you didn’t get the money shot you were sooooo hoping to get.
But the real funny part was later when you tried to claim I wasn’t there because “you” didn’t see me. (Fed you crow that night.LOL)
Remember? I had to help you find me in your own photo? ( staring you right in the lens)
Ya,, that night was fun. Again,,, the rules didn’t apply to you. The Union had a policy about ” outing” someones identity, but you did it anyway. ( you used my picture, (ya, you took it) for your avatar pic.) Now if I, or someone else had done the same, I bet you or someone else would have bitched from the highest of the trees to have The Union do something about it. ( and have)
So was that you?

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Douglas Keachie

20 October 2011

Well George, with labor we are already paying for, equipment we have already paid for, and a dash of “drill, baby, drill” (besides, green folks can plant the hills with MJ, and you know how well they’re take care to make sure that crop grows) and I suspect it will pencil out just fine. Let it be a combat zone, so housing is tents (low cost), and latrine’s can provide the necessary organic fertilizer for the MJ.

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stevenfrisch

20 October 2011

Yeah, Ben! How dare you use 3 syllable words. Don’t you know that people want to be related to on their own level?

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Todd Juvinall

20 October 2011

Uh Oh, he’s back from the taxpayers paid junket! Smarter than the average bear Freisch. What a hoot.

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Greg Goodknight

20 October 2011

The chief executive chef is back tossing gratuitous insults.
Keachie is spinning new ideas as incompatible with reality as ever.
Ben is doing his best to appear a proper left-liberal intellectual despite shortcomings in ability and education.
All is as it was.

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Ben Emery

20 October 2011

Todd,
What are you talking about. Trying to label me with an elitist brush is about as far as someone could go from reality. D King posted a series of clips showing how unsophisticated and unknowledgeable the OWS protesters were when interviewed.
Look at how this thread progressed and tell me I wasn’t giving an example that in both the grassroots part of the tea party and many in the OWS don’t know exactly how it happened but just know that their government is no longer working in their favor. They know that special interest control the parties, they know the banks looted the treasury, and they know something is drastically wrong with the system.
You want to make me out to be a Marxist when in reality I am somebody who has looked at the history of the country and looked at what the difference between the good times for the majority of the people vs the bad times for the majority of people. Researched the policies that were in place for both and shaped my opinion. Pretty common sense stuff.
I will put it to you this way and I think George and Russ will back me up. Would you say all the characterizations of the Tea Party are true or did the media go after the smallest extreme most controversial fringe to identify the movement?
I have been an activist a long time and understand the media will play any angle to create controversy and more interest.

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Ben Emery

20 October 2011

George,
I just disagree with you as does the research done on the topic. The era you were raised in was absent of pure box/ chain store economy and the products were made within the US with American workers earning decent wages. Mom and pop stores dominated local economies keeping the money in the local community. Of course there were big chains but they weren’t anywhere near as dominant as today. In your era the money stayed in America where as today the money gets multiplied very little before leaving the country.
Have you thought about it in this way.
Not everybody is meant to go to college. When manufacturing/ skilled labor jobs left the country so did the ability for many to earn a decent living? Replacing those decent paying manufacturing or related jobs with service industry low wage no benefit jobs has left an entire generation with very little pride or hope towards the future. Today we have 5 people looking for every 1 job opening. This is a no win situation all the way around. People will compete for the lowest wages/ benefits thus reducing the demand in the market allowing the recession to deepen into a full blown depression. But wall st and transnational corps are putting up record profits and bonuses.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703956604576110612955564394.html

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Ben Emery

20 October 2011

Greg,
You got that right, I am doing the best I can despite not being part of academia. I made a choice to live my life on a certain path and am doing rather well in my opinion. I was born with the privilege of being a white male with relative decent intelligence in the United States of America. My parents both worked, a teacher and a truck driver. Without their SS, medicare, and pension they would be in a world of hurt. I chose to live a nomadic lifestyle for the first dozen or more years of my adulthood. Work hard, play hard, save money, and travel. I started college in my 30’s going part time that fit into my busy schedule and within our budget. I still am taking a class here and there but decided to wait for our youngest to graduate from NU before really pursuing a degree. I was on a 3 1/2 year wait list for nursing school when we made this decision.

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George Rebane

20 October 2011

BenE 602pm – Am not sure which of my comments you are contending with. The report you present is most certainly accurate on its general points and I have already agreed with all of them in past posts. As technology advances, so will the disparity in wage scales – see ‘John Henry, the steel drivin’ man’.

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D. King

20 October 2011

When you study ideologies you’ve been fed, you’re not studying, you’re indoctrinating yourself.

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Todd Juvinall

20 October 2011

D. King, that is totally cool.
BenE, I just simply copy/pasted your own comments on the Tea Party. What is the problem? You portray yourself as some intellectual but you are from from that. You have got the liberal disease of you are the smart ones and the rest of the “masses” need to do your bidding. You are in the wrong place for your attitude.

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bill tozer

20 October 2011

Gee, Todd, that was not very Nevada City friendly. Now somebody is going to get all butt hurt. Go to your room and eat a vegan sandwich with hummus spread and promise to be nice to the Adams and Steves of the world before you come out.

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Todd Juvinall

20 October 2011

Darn, OK.

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bill tozer

20 October 2011

Ok, Todd, you can come out now. My turn in the penalty box, 😀

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bill tozer

20 October 2011

Found this interesting video of how the OWS is being viewed from across the pond http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ex5Nh06toM

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Ben Emery

20 October 2011

Todd,
You are a joke. Answer the question
Would you say all the characterizations of the Tea Party are true or did the media go after the smallest extreme most controversial fringe to identify the movement?

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Douglas Keachie

20 October 2011

Not sure about a straw hat, flowery Hawaiian shirt is possible, did not have wife with me, so Dirt and Walt are one and the same? http://www.flickr.com/photos/keachie/5541485567/in/set-72157626179727117/lightbox/

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Douglas Keachie

20 October 2011

Todd, as near as I can tell, our host here would be somewhat insulted if someone said he was not and could not be an intellectual, so maybe you should stop using the term in derogatory ways. Or maybe you should modify the term, with “post modern.” That would make you sound sort of like an intellectual, and would probably corral many of the folks who make you upset.

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Greg Goodknight

20 October 2011

Ben, you need to broaden your reading list.

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George Rebane

21 October 2011

BenE 1026pm – I note that things are getting a little testy (and boring) around here again. Your ‘or’ question demands the tautological ‘no’ and then ‘yes’ answers. Please continue the point that you are developing.

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Todd Juvinall

21 October 2011

It is so easy to smoke out BenE’s hypocrisy. He refuses to answer our questions and complains about name calling then says I am a joke. What a hoot. Once again BenE, why did you call the Tea Party members stupid as you did in the post I referenced from your prior post? Why can’t you answer the question?
Regarding Keachi’s last statement about intellectualism. I am simply referring to liberal wannabees who, like BenE and Keachie, try their best to portray themselves as intellectual when they are really pseudo. George and Greg are truly intellectuals and the difference is readily apparent.
Regarding BenE’s question to me about the Tea Party. Well, I am still trying to figure out where the question originated, but hey, here it goes. Yes BenE, the media, made up of 93% democrat voters and trained in liberal arts colleges by leftwing professors (all Watergate Pulitzer wannabees) , called the TPP all those names right out of the box. The reason is simple and even you should be able to figure it out. The TPP want a return to sanity by our government regarding the Constitution and money. The press is pre-disposed to the liberal agenda of the Constitution that it is simply a guideline and can be changed and manipulated to achieve the liberal agenda. Classic clash and because they media is controlled by the left, only one view was shown to the American public and as we know, the left practices the “say a lie enough and it becomes the truth). There, even a third grader can understand what I just wrote.

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Greg Goodknight

21 October 2011

Me an intellectual? I think I could effectively challenge that. Some might say I do so on a regular basis.
In the land of the blind, a one-eyed man will be king.

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bill tozer

21 October 2011

Fear the pointy headed intellectuals who can’t park their bicycles straight.http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jun/9/fear-the-intellectual/

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Mikey McD

21 October 2011

I (over)paid for a Finance degree at a private catholic college ($122k). Alan Greenspan (Central planners/The FED) was worshiped and Keynesian economics was the sole ideology peddled. Since then, I have learned more about economics at mises.com than all the indoctrinations at college (Austrian Economics was not even whispered on campus).
The OWS mob needs to review the root of our country’s problems; central planning (for sale to the highest bidder). End the FED.

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Steve Enos

21 October 2011

Mikey… I think the FED is the center of this economic mess. Who really controls the FED?
By the way… the OWS folks are screaming that the FED is a major part of the problem.

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D. King

21 October 2011

Lookie here, your $5.00 light bulbs are making a difference. Non-Tax paying GE is doing fine!
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/22/business/ge-profit-up-despite-volatile-economy.html?_r=1
But wait left-wing corporate shills, the Berkley EARTH project has confirmed Global Warming!
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/10/20/the-berkeley-earth-surface-temperature-project-puts-pr-before-peer-review/
Yes, in a non-peer reviewed study it has been confirmed that Global Warming is real; and in an un
related story CARB is implementing a Cap and Trade system .
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/10/20/BA901LK83V.DTL#ixzz1bOm92bN8
Why don’t you just turn out your pockets and save us some time?
Oh, I almost forgot, guess who helped to fund the Berkley EARTH project confirming Global Warming?
That’s right, the koch brothers… Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation ($150,000)
Everything is upside down and spinning around!

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Mikey McD

21 October 2011

“Who really controls the FED?” – POTUS. Limit the power of the federal government and lobbyists, bankers, labor unions wont be given preferential treatment at ‘our’ expense. Collusion with government by corporations, labor unions, bankers, etc is only made possible when a government has too much power.
Yes, a few Ron Paulites (End the Fed) have infiltrated the OWS mob; though the Paulites have drastically different solutions (hint: liberty).

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Douglas Keachie

21 October 2011

I’ll stand with Greg in being a self-effacing, non-intellectual, elitist. Give a choice between a good book and 3 feet of fresh powder at 8am, I’m on the tram.

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bill tozer

21 October 2011

From Market Watch: If you really think banks have a free hand to make money at the expense of the rest of us, you can just go out and buy their stocks right now and make a fortune.
After all, they’ve collapsed. Bank of America’s stock (XNYS:BAC – News) has been halved since the start of the year. At $6.40, the shares are trading at a third of book value (according to FactSet Research), about where they were at the absolute lows in March 2009. (Bank of America just reported $6.2 billion net income in the third quarter, returns on average equity of 22% and Tier One capital — a measure of balance-sheet strength — up to a decent 11.5%. Make of it what you will.)
Citigroup Inc. (XNYS:C) has lost a third of its value this year.
Even the Vampire Squid itself has covered its stockholders in red ink. Shares of Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (XNYS:GS – News) have lost a third of their value this year. The stock is trading below book value.
Contrarians, ho! According to the most recent surveys, big institutional money managers are massively underweight bank stocks. They won’t touch them with a 10-foot pole. They’re terrified. This is often a contrarian buying indicator. Not always, but often.

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Douglas Keachie

21 October 2011

The Koch money and this study deserves a careful look, which is taking more time than I have just now. Later…

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Douglas Keachie

21 October 2011

Passing thought for the engineers out there:
BTW, how about a bunch of micro generators, like so many Fussball kickers, strung across the Sacto, and adjusted according to flow and depth? Maybe even on the Yuba? Have a master power gathering and armored cable on the bottom, and breakaway capability for floating and submerged debris, for each little generator, which would then go into “help, help” mode, flashing lights and GPS transponder.

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George Rebane

21 October 2011

DougK – The use of efficient drag/propulsion technology derived from California giant kelp (macrocystis pyrifera)study has already been incorporated into airplane and ship propellers, and is a candidate for extracting energy from fluid flows (air and water). Micro generation presents a problem of scale selection because each micro generator has the material overhead of being a self-contained, independently operating device. To get around those costs is why wind turbines are so large. Venturi flow tubes would be better because they have no moving parts. Now if we could only ionize the water that would flow through those tubes.

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bill tozer

21 October 2011

Doug, at least you come up with ideas, ideas I think don’t pass the practicality test. Not a put down, just the way I see it from my little corner of the universe. You once proposed covering the empty Nevada City School playground wall to wall with solar panels for example. Do you really this country will tolerate having every bit of open space looking like a power generating plant? Every south facing mountain from sea to shining sea? The wind farm in Chesapeake Bay got shot down. Guess the Kennedys love green energy, but not where they go sailing. In Santa Barbara a dude built a green to the max house complete with a wind turbine. It was the first green devise closed down by the Coastal Commission. Told him he had to lower it to 9′ and move it behind his house, which rendered it useless. Britain has cut land based wind subsidies because of inherent inefficiencies and return on the dollar (pound?) Instead, they are pushing off shore wind generation and tidal power. In an unrelated article yesterday, here is what Scotland is doing. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-21/scots-government-proposes-change-to-ros-bands-in-line-with-u-k-.html What was that Joni Mitchell song? “Pave Paradise, but up a solar field” Don’t think tidal will work in Arizona, but I could be wrong.

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