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George Rebane

In this information age lies abound more than ever.  And the art of lying involves understanding the three major types of lies.  This piece is an addition to the RR lexicon that may be of use in future discussions. The sequel here is an edited version of a little essay on lying first delivered in 1993 as part of a university lecture on critical thinking.

The term ‘lie’ has given trouble to semanticists and parents alike because it embraces such concepts as truth, intention, belief, and the roles of the parties involved.  If we look at lying in more scientific terms, we see that it can be cast as a communication event that comprises of a message, its sender, and its receiver.  We offer the following definition.

A Lie is a Message, the truth value of which is known to be ‘False’ by its Sender, who at the same time anticipates that the Receiver will assign ‘True’ to its truth value.  As such, a Lie is simply a Message intended to deceive.

This somewhat technical definition is nevertheless sufficiently direct, comprehensive, and operational so as to support a useful analysis of lying – a most popular and ingrained human activity.  The definition obviates such indeterminables as utilities and morality, and avoids the infinite regressions of “he knew that she knew that he knew…” that often cloud any discussion of lying. When the Lie results in consequential injury to the Receiver or third parties, those so injured are called Victims of the lie.  From the definition – and our own experience – it is clear that lies can also prove of benefit to the Receiver and, indeed, in the large can conceivably have a neutral effect on all concerned.


A Liar then is one who sends such a Message – the lie – in any format that can be understood by the Receiver.  This is an important point: lies need not be conveyed by a natural language in either its spoken or written (lexicographic) form.  Humans communicate through a myriad of channels using a rich catalog of message formats that include pregnant silences, facial expressions, innuendo, and time delayed signs that correlate to a mutually interpreted event.  Such a communication involves the transmission of information based on the presumed shared prior knowledge of the communicants.

Individuals in all known societies operate under an unwritten social contract which does not formally sanction lying.  In other words no social order bases its operation on the practice of deceit.  Indeed, in those same societies, being labeled as a liar is a stigma that works to the detriment of one so labeled.  Many societies have codified certain aspects of lying into their laws and explicit codes of behavior ('What did he know, and when did he know it?').  It is these ‘aspects of lying’ which will interest us in the following.

The little vignette below illustrates the definition of 'lie' and catalogs three of the most popular types from a potentially very large taxonomy of lies.

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Work colleagues Sam and Joe, currently vying for the same promotion, decide to see the Grand Canyon on the way back from a business trip.  While taking photographs at the edge of a remote part of the canyon rim Sam asks Joe to snap a picture of him.  Joe turns around and with his back to the rim becomes absorbed framing Sam whose image overfills the viewfinder.
 
Scenario 1:  Sam sees an opportunity and instructs Joe, “Back up Joe, you’ve got plenty of room.”  Trustingly Joe does and the canyon echoes with his scream as he plummets backward into the abyss.

Scenario 2:  Concentrating on the camera Joe says, “I think I need to back up to get this to look good.” as he walks backward toward the precipice.  Joe hears Sam say “No problem.” just before he loses his footing and disappears over the edge.

Scenario 3:  Concentrating on the camera, Joe unthinkingly backs up to in¬clude more scenery in the picture of Sam.  Sam sees the impending disaster, but continues posing silently as Sam disappears over the edge.

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These scenarios illustrate the three most common types of lies we tell in order to gain an advantage.  Depending on our values and mores, each subsequent one is held less onerous.

Type 1 – Explicit Lie:  This is a known untruth explicitly uttered to elicit a behavior from the Victim which benefits the Liar along with (in this case) possible injury to the Victim.  Scenario 1 illustrates this type of lie in which the Victim believed that the Liar would not actively seek to hurt him as part of their established social contract.

Type 2 – Opportunistic Lie:  This is a more subtle untruth in which the Liar takes advantage of a serendipitous opportunity to gain advantage.  In this type of lie the Victim instigates a behavior (activity), the liability of which he is not aware, while trusting  that the social contract would compel the would-be liar to warn the would-be victim of a known (to the Liar) potential liability.  Scenario 2 illustrates this type of lie since the Victim acted with the firm belief that, in specifically making known his course of action, the Liar would in turn warn him of any impending danger known to the Liar.

Type 3 – Veiled Opportunistic Lie:  This is perhaps the most subtle lie that we tell each other and do so most frequently.  Here the Victim again instigates a behavior harmful to himself and of potential benefit to the Liar, but in this case the Victim makes no overt statement of his intention.  Instead the Victim properly assumes that the Liar is a component of the nurturing and sustaining environment as part of their implied social contract, and would therefore naturally warn him of any apparent danger.  The Liar is fully aware of the Victim’s erroneous assumption and uses it to his advantage.  Scenario 3 gives an example of this type of lie.

This short catalog is by no means exhaustive.  We humans, and some animals, draw frequently from a rich catalog of lie types to suit our needs.  The intent here has been to present a definition that can be used to illuminate the acts of lying and serve as a useful tool in their analysis.

As a final example of the utility of the offered definition consider the following scenario of a lie that is intended to harm its victim, but nevertheless will not cause the Liar to suffer any reprimand even if the incident were recorded meticulously by hidden microphone and camera – a lie known only to the Liar and God.

Little Larry who doesn’t like Bobby is asked by the latter what is the answer to 2+2.   Larry, who is no great arithmetic genius, believes the answer to be five, but deliberately responds to Bobby with “four”, unwittingly the correct answer.  The more limited dictionary definitions of ‘lie’ will not pick up this clumsy yet clear attempt to deceive the Receiver and make him a Victim.  The operational definition given above has no problem with this seemingly difficult case since the Message ‘four’ was believed by the Sender to be FALSE, making him the Liar who also anticipated that the Receiver would take it as TRUE.  The truth value of the message from a larger perspective is irrelevant to the communication and its correct ascription as a lie.

Finally, another view of reality management, truth modification, or lying

1.  The spots of the leopard are a lie to its prey – “I am not here.”
2.  Reaching its highest forms in the human, throughout nature the common denominator of survival is continual lying in one form or another.
3.  In any larger society, lying is practiced from within and without for the “good (survival) of the society” as a super-organism.
4.  Is there an “internal lying” process inside an individual for the sake of its survival – e.g. in the bicameral mind taught by Julian Jaynes (q.v.) – which requires another ‘intender’ to reside in the same body?

[update]  Today we find corroboration of the points made above about the state being the prime promulgator of lies.  Commenter MikeyM (1124am below) gives us the heads-up on the latest outrage the scumbags in the White House are pulling on America.  Please read here.

It involves too many factors, all are important, on which to expand in this post.  But the impact of such lies hidden from the public is clear to any but the most dimwitted ideologues of the collective bent.  I hope that Russ Steele (here) and Anthony Watts run the distance with this.

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71 responses to “Lies and Lying (updated)”

  1. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Wrong again but you have brought your paranoia and Bush hatred to a new level of ridiculousness.

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  2. Brad Croul Avatar
    Brad Croul

    Communists moles infiltrated the US government decades ago and bent the truth about the Gulf of Tonkin incident and, later, WMD, reasoning that the Commies might be able to bring down the US government by getting us into a string of protracted wars half a world away and running our country into the financial gutter – at least that is the premise of my new docu-novella, “Red Dog Road”.

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  3. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    That’s good ironic speculation Brad. Yes indeed, the war in Iraq was a dream come true for the Islamic radicals and Iranian nationalists both of which have expanded mightily because of this massive error in foreign policy.
    Todd
    What was “wrong” about what I offered? I gave you quotes from Bush’s own people. It’s just the tip of the iceberg. Are you one of those that believes the WMD’s existed and were smuggled out of the country?

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  4. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    There you go again! “Reliable intelligence” is exactly what we didn’t have, and that is the usual state of affairs. Paul, Tenet (who was a Clinton appointee) is the guy who told Bush the WMD’s were a “slam dunk” when GW seemed shocked by how thin the evidence was. He is the Bad Intelligence Personified who was pissed at Cheney giving him the finger.
    “To summarize, then: In February 1999 one of Saddam Hussein’s chief nuclear goons paid a visit to Niger, but his identity was not noticed by Joseph Wilson, nor emphasized in his “report” to the CIA, nor mentioned at all in his later memoir. British intelligence picked up the news of the Zahawie visit from French and Italian sources and passed it on to Washington.”
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/07/case_closed.html
    Really Bad Intelligence is what you get when a political hack like Joseph Wilson goes to Niger to sip coffee with his hosts who tell him, no, Iraq’s primary nuclear diplomat didn’t inquire about our only valuable commodity, uranium yellowcake, when he was here.
    I’m never surprised when leftist climate alarmists wrap themselves in the flag of the precautionary principle when groupthink bad science demands sacrifice, but throw that out the window expecting espionage, which is always mixed with guesswork, to be scientific.
    Bush I shouldn’t have inserted US forces into the Middle East. Once that mistake was made, the job should have been finished rather than left to fester. Clinton shouldn’t have let it fester with the Oil for Food & Palaces program frauds compromising the integrity (such as it is) of the UN. Your problem, Paul, is that you’re making judgments based entirely on 20-20 hindsight. I’m a libertarian through and through, but the Constitution isn’t a suicide pact and mistakes will always be made.
    Whether or not a President Al Gore would have grown a pair had he been the one told by Tenet that WMD’s were a slam dunk is a question we’ll just have to disagree on.

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  5. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Yowzah PaulE, what Greg said!

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  6. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Greg
    As a libertarian what is your opinion of “Why Fight” by Ron Paul?

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  7. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Paul, you’re trying to change the subject. Do you concede Bush was rational, based on the information provided by Tenet at the CIA, to act as if the WMD existed? What does the “precautionary principle” tell us in this case?

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  8. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    A musical interlude while Paul thinks:
    http://world.std.com/~eshu/dbug/Jeopardy_Think_Music.mp3

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  9. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Something to read while Paul thinks:
    http://articles.cnn.com/2004-06-18/world/saddam.terror_1_qaeda-zarqawi-saddam-hussein-and-al?_s=PM:WORLD
    Now, thinking about the precautionary principle, what would have happened to Bush and his place in history had he not acted on this and Russian intelligence (as reported by Putin) was correct?

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  10. George Rebane Avatar

    Never could figure out why quarterbacks always performed better on Mondays.

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  11. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    You completely ignore the rather detailed examples I gave about the manipulation of information to create a scenario for war. Of course there is also the famous note from the Project for the New American Century that had Rumsfeldt, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Donalt Feith and others from the Bush Admin as founding members stating the wish to
    “Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor”
    9/11 fulfilled that promise and the rest is history.
    PNAC members used the events of 9/11 as the “Pearl Harbor” that they needed––that is, as an “opportunity” to “capitalize on” in order to enact long-desired plans.
    http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

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  12. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Paul, you’ve forgotten to comment on the hanging chad you left behind.

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  13. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Regarding the time to get something done, here’s the conventional wisdom:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeA_kHHLow

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  14. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE, GregG and others have effectively presented counters to your points which bring forth the complexity of what was known/believed by whom and when. Your entire facade rests on the existence of a conspiratorial objective of launching a comprehensive American takeover of mid-east energy reserves through war. There is no evidence that such an objective ever existed, and the resulting mess we have made there does not support the pre-existence of that objective through both Repub and Dem administrations. Absent the evidence, it is natural for the left to selectively fit together pieces that support the thesis of (rightwing) conspiracy and lies.
    How can we proceed past this point?

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  15. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    Even a casual read of the PNAC credo that I presented shows that this was indeed the case. I’m surprised you didn’t read it before you made that summary. And of course there was Iran in 1952, another graphic example of Western Imperialism. Are you denying the influence of the members of the PNAC in foreign policy?

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  16. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Not possible ith a true believer George.

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  17. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    George, there was no talking any sense into the Vince Foster conspiracy types, either.
    Paul, you were the one who dredged up George Tenet as a trusted voice of the Republican persuasion, who in actuality was a Democrat and an appointee of Bill Clinton, and the one who convinced Bush to make the WMD push.
    We’re interested in the Middle East because of oil? Say something else obvious and universally understood. However, the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 was passed in the House 360-38 (Pelosi didn’t vote, Kucinich voted yes, Paul voted no), passed the Senate by unanimous consent (et tu, Ted Kennedy, Paul Wellstone and Harry Reid?) two days later and then signed by Bill Clinton. It was not a neocon plot. That neocons wanted it too is nothing astonishing.

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  18. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 323pm – no denying of PNAC influence, just don’t see the conspiracy that your argument requires. The imputed war clouds were blown up by all parties in Washington (as GregG has documented), it was 9/11 that caused Bush2 to pull the trigger. The wisdom of subsequent execution is a separate issue.

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  19. RL Crabb Avatar

    I was pouring a bowl of Post Blueberry Morning cereal and thought to check out the fine print. The ‘blueberries’ are actually (excuse me while I fumble with my magnifying glass) Invert sugar, Glycerol, Safflower oil, Citric acid, Natural flavors, and Potassium sorbate (as a preservative).
    I suppose Post is actually guilty of a half-truth rather than a lie. After all, the little chumks ARE blue!

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  20. George Rebane Avatar

    Yes Bob, but the blue “little chunks” are no more berries than are those little chunks that are euphemistically called dingle berries. It’s a full-fledged lie, you should report them, and feel free to use my illustration to lock in your complaint.

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  21. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Lies and the truth?
    How about this one:
    MIAMI (AP) — Florida’s freshman U.S. senator and rising GOP star Marco Rubio is fighting back against allegations he embellished his family’s history by saying his parents were Cuban exiles.
    Rubio’s Senate website says his parents came to America following Fidel Castro’s 1959 takeover, and he has always publicly identified with the exile community. In turn he has maintained a strong and loyal political following within its Miami hub.
    But reports Thursday by the St. Petersburg Times and The Washington Post revealed his parents emigrated to the U.S. in 1956, when Cuban dictator Fulgencia Batista was still in power and Fidel Castro had just been released from prison and exiled in Mexico.

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