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[This is the submitted version of my October column that appeared in the 8oct11 print and online editions of The Union.]

This column has long argued that the American worker is at a distinct disadvantage when compared to workers in emerging economies, and especially when compared to what the American demands as compensation to maintain his ‘right’ to a high standard of living.

The left has fastened on to the premise that it is the failure of markets that has caused the current glut of workers and high unemployment rate.  This failure must be fixed by more government flexing its muscles to tax, regulate, and spend (sorry, “stimulate”) to create jobs.  Supply side economics is anathema to the crowd in Washington, and we are back to government attempting to create jobs through demand side (Keynesian) policies.

This didn’t work during the Great Depression – FDR’s 17.1% unemployment rate in 1939 was the same as the one he inherited in 1933.  It was the dynamic trio of Hitler, Stalin, and Tojo who showed how to work the demand side of Keynesianism – after September 1939 everyone was able to find government jobs.

Earlier this week I woke up to an NPR interview of a venture capitalist and a fellow of the Competitive Enterprise Institute.  Lynn Neary, the liberal interviewer, wanted to know what was wrong with the Occupy Wall Street crowd’s belief that (government) creating jobs would lead to “growth and prosperity”.  In vain, Bill Frezza of CEI attempted to convince NPR that the popular notion of ‘first jobs, then prosperity’ was a myth.


As those who have operated companies know, you don’t go into business to create jobs.  Jobs are an outgrowth of a well-managed business.  And if you ‘create’ too many jobs too fast, you go out of business.

Ms Neary pressed Mr Frezza hard about what to her seemed like a foregone conclusion – the prime purpose of a business was the social objective of creating jobs.   She and so many millions like her are incredulous that jobs are counted as a cost to a business, and that businesses are started to provide goods and services to customers in exchange for revenues that might contain a profit.  Her unsupported point was that businesses have a higher social responsibility than serving their customers and making a profit.

Mr Frezza patiently explained that successful businesses create jobs as a laudable social byproduct, but not as their reason for existence.  And the more successful businesses there are, the more jobs are created for people, but never forget that the prime responsibility a business has is to its customers and owners (shareholders).   None of this made sense to the NPR lady.

She is not alone in her disillusionment in how businesses work in an economy.  Today this ignorance starts at the top and spreads far and wide across the countryside.  President Obama and the socialist crew he has assembled have no experience in doing anything other than cashing government checks.  They don’t know how the “millionaires and billionaires” come by their cash.  All they know is that these greedy and selfish people are the enemy, and that they must be taxed back to some acceptable level of corrigibility.

So as the government does everything possible to derail a recovery, the frustrated, ignorant, and miseducated are predictably beginning to gather in the streets to once more protest capitalism and demand something that they can’t yet quite put their arms around.  Rushing to these little fires with buckets of gasoline are the Michael Moores and Van Joneses bringing old ‘solutions’ that have cost tens of millions of lives and ruined hundreds of millions more.

Van Jones, the self-declared communist and former administration ‘Green Czar’, has put together a conference of progressives called ‘Rebuild the Dream’ designed to foment “a real middle class uprising”.  These people simply cannot accept an economic recovery in America.  Their whole movement will fall apart.  No one will assemble in the streets if they have jobs to go to, and no one will want to work for the “fundamental transformation” that Obama promised us.  These agitators will then have to either get a real job, or wind up in some backwater NGO begging for government grants with which to plan their next revolution.

In the meantime, most of the country is fervently hoping that the self-serving politicians and bureaucrats in Washington will settle down and stop trying to create jobs using ideas and tools that have never worked, and have only caused grief for those who know how a real job creating economy works.

George Rebane is an entrepreneur and a retired systems scientist in Nevada County who regularly expands these and other themes on KVMR and Rebane’s Ruminations (www.georgerebane.com).

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245 responses to “Misunderstanding Job Creation”

  1. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Todd, I’m quite aware of the politics of global warming, but I’m not interested in that game. OK, so you started fighting the pols over it in ’96. Well, in ’96, while the question was not settled, it was plausible that CO2 could be a danger, and there was warming that was unexplained.
    The warming of the latter 20th century is now all but settled as the result mostly of oceanic oscillations that were only understood about 10 years ago, and an energetic sun (magnetic fields and solar wind, sunlight was little changed) that was only becoming understood at about the same time.
    I come back to the same point… you and Frisch came to your conclusions the exact same way: You took the side your politics indicated.

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  2. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Whatever.

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  3. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    What befuddles me is how one can decry profit and then advocate $5.00 light bulbs made in China. It’s like being bitch slapped by your pimp (corporation) for not bring in enough money. Now get your asses out and make me some money on windmills and solar panels…bitches! (Things Jeff Immelt might say).

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  4. mike thornton Avatar

    And notice that no matter what’s been said about anyone else.
    TJ is STILL the actual example of someone who has “leeched” off the government and the taxpayers while being, distainful holding himself to be superior than the people he (claimed) to represent. Not only did he take the taxpayer funded salary at that time, but tried to get a second bite of the apple as well. He’s the one that gamed the banking system, not the kids on Wall Street. And also notice that none of his bagger buddies has a problem with any of it. As long as it’s them and their friends who are sucking off the government teet, they are completely for it!

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  5. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Does one have to pay for room and board when incarcerated? I think that may be the best example of sucking off the teet wouldn’t you say?

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  6. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    October 8 6:00 p.m
    From Greg Goodknight:
    “PS Frisch sure hit all the totalitarian bases in his youth.”
    That’s what I mean by insinuation.

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  7. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Also notice that no one actually rebutted the point I made about their preferred non-profits and the fact that we have freedom of association and equal protection in this country. If these guys had their way we would be either a theocratic state or a fascist police state. Do you really think that Walt’s Pastor or whatever does not collect a salary, probably get his housing paid for; or that the CEO of the NRA probably makes a decent salary?
    You are hypocrites.
    By the way Todd, the problem with CABPRO lying about their status is that they probably received donations that people claimed as charitable deductions on their income tax. If I wrote a check to an organization that billed itself on its web site as a non-profit I would certainly expect to be able to claim the deduction. What they did is, if not illegal, certainly an intention misrepresentation at the cost of the American taxpayers. But I guess you can’t see that. It is deceptions like yours, and your followers, that give non-profits a bad name!

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  8. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Back to another Frischism: “You voted for David Koch, you went over the line from left lib to right freak a long time ago. I’m tough enough to take your lies and insinuations. Are you tough enough to take the truth?”
    First, I’ve never “lied” here or elsewhere. If I err, you’re perfectly able to set me straight with (for example) quotations or other information to the contrary. You owe me another apology for this latest defamation.
    Second, I remain left-libertarian. Political tribalists (I think that covers you) tend to categorize people as either with me or a’gin me. Your hot button issues put me in the other camp, which, as far as I can tell, is Evil Right Wingers, as opposed to the Liberal-Moderate camp which is where you seem to put yourself. Our host, George Rebane, puts himself in the conservative-libertarian camp, and that seems to fit him.
    Perhaps I should meet with Walt for a few drinks. I’ll bet the bar tab he decides I’m more one of you than one of his tribe.
    Sorry, no, I voted for Ed Clark. By being on the ticket, Koch could donate $100K to the campaign. Good deal.

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  9. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    SteveF, you are stick in liberal rut. CABPRO was always a for profit never was a 501c3 like you, never received a dime of tax money. You receive a 100k plus benefits and you leech off the taxpayers thru your 501c3 status and the tax payer grants I have to pay for (please refund my money). You are the epitome of hypocrisy. Also, I read your screeds about the separation of church and state so I am surprised that you now state a church should be part of the state through its tax laws. Amazing! So, Freisch, please keep posting here because you are the comic relief in a serious world.

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  10. Mikey McD Avatar

    Labeling libertarians as desiring (or akin to) a “fascist police state” shows ignorance on a grand scale. Fascism is reserved for the force used by collectivists on the extreme left. Fascist = collectivism. Here endeth the lesson.

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  11. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Todd, you still did not respond to the core issue–it is a fact that CABPRO mislabeled themselves on their own web site as a non-profit. That is a lie. The consequence of that lie is that people assume that contributions are tax deductible,and thus put them at risk of defrauding the federal government. I wonder how many well meaning donors CABPRO put at risk if they ever audited over all those years?
    I never said CABPRO was chartered as anything but a for profit. I said at first (about a year ago) that I could not find them listed as a non-profit on the California Secretary of State web site, or on the two industry standard listing entities, Charity Navigator or GuideStar; then it was brought to my attention that they were listed as a California for profit corporation; I pointed out that the web site listed them as a non-profit on this blog and on Pelline’s blog; that night someone removed the offending language and scrubbed the web site of any reference to being a non-profit.
    Claiming you are a non-profit when you are not one is deceptive and illegal.
    Your reference to me using religious organizations as an example makes no sense whatsoever. I was using it as an example of the right all Americans have to free association, freedom of speech and equal protection under the law.
    It is Walt, who directly stated here that he does not believe in these basic American rights; that he should be able to pick and choose WHICH organizations or individuals get to exercise these rights. I am still waiting for you to denounce that clearly un-constitutional position. But you don’t seem willing to do that, which means to me you are just as confused about the constitution, dismissive of our rights, and supportive of a system of governance that denies us those rights, as Walt is.
    McD–I did not say libertarians are supportive of a fascist police state, I said that people who support the contentions that Walt and Todd do above are supportive of a fascist police state. There is a big difference. I fail to see how you, as a libertarian, could do anything but agree with me.
    Some of you guys get awfully insistent on apologies, I suggest you put your big boy pants on. I, and many others, have suffered defamation, lies and slander here for years. I don’t need an apology, nor do I expect one. I am pretty thick skinned. I am here to challenge your ability to act like bullies without consequences. The consequence is that as long as George allows it, I am going to challenge your bull every time you go over the line.

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  12. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    CABPRO never mislead SteveF. You have a agenda and it is not working. But you do supply comic relief. SBC leeches tax money, you draw a huge salary and benefits and nothing at CABPRO compares to your leeching. It has never taken a dime of taxpayer money. You live off tax money so you are held to a very high standard and you are failing. Produce online expenditure reports so we can see where my money went. Or, just be quiet and slink back under your 501c3.

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  13. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    The point that CABPRO lied to the public on its web site is a fact. I don’t think you even know what a fact is.
    I uphold 100% of the standards set for 501c3 non-profits, and much more. I am proud of what I do.

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  14. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Frisch, you let fly with having attended very radical right and very radical left meetings. You touched all the totalitarian bases as a youth.
    It’s a restatement of your own words, not some insinuation.
    Yes, I own a copy of Mao’s red book. I also own copies of Marx and Engel’s works. However, Karl Popper’s The Open Society and its Enemies made a bigger impression. So did other Popper works and those by von Mises, von Hayek and Friedman.
    I’m pro choice on just about everything. Not right wing, not conservative. Not fascist, or national socialist. And right now, the running-dog lackeys of the fascist left seem to me to be the biggest danger to liberty.

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  15. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Golly, for someone with no spare time and being bored with this thread, Sierra “Business Council” Pres Steven Frisch sure ended up spending a lot of time here today.

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  16. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    I think you missed my point Greg, I of course defend you right to read whatever you want 🙂
    I spent my day packing getting ready to leave for Mongolia and China in the morning. I’ll tell Mao hi for you at the Mausoleum next week.
    Cheers

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  17. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    Safe trip and pilgrimage Steve. 🙂

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  18. RL Crabb Avatar

    So I see the House has passed the “Protect Life Act” which would make it impossible for a woman who is miscarrying to receive anything resembling an abortion from pro-life hospitals. Just like I’ve been saying all along; the right wing is chomping at the bit to get their 19th century social agenda into law. Jobs, my ass!

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  19. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    No RL you have it wrong. You just need to read the law. 50% of the country is one or the other so I would say you are spinning your wheels of outrage for nothing. I am a conservative and believe government should stay out of the woman’s womb and let her come to God her own way. So you need to rethink your observation. Besides I thought you lefties want government out of your bedroom. You know let the homosexuals alone to do their thing etc. Seems a woman womb is not off limits for you. Hmmm.
    Freich, CABPRO never lies about anything but you ave an agenda and no one can change your mind. However, since you are now hiding the expenditure reports for your 501c3 and will not admit your exorbitant tax payer funded salary and benefits to us, I think we have you in a lib lie conundrum. I am not surprised you are happy with your deceptive practices.

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  20. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Yup, Steve is off to GOD knows really where. Probably claiming to “teach” or ” inform”. He will probably drop off a few pamphlets and hand bills at some ECO acquaintance he met on the net. So meet the so called minimum legal requirement for his “non profit” exemption status, maybe pick up a few ” needed” receipts, and the rest is high class vacation time on someone else’s buck. China you say? now this should be good. Will you be there to chastise them for their horrid ECO destruction in their practice of solar panel manufacturing?
    I read a real good article on that entitled ” the dark side of solar”. You might want to have that on hand. Maybe the state dept. will have to cut some sort of deal just to get you home. Do you forget that China basically owns us?
    But have fun on our dime. If and when you get back, post the airline menu so us little people can see how the upper class live.
    Be sure to take lots of pics of the seminars so we know you actually went to them. ( proof always helps)
    BTW Get a new suit for the occasion? ( another business related tax deduction)
    OR
    Is this a money begging trip since other money sources have dried up, and China has it all?

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  21. RL Crabb Avatar

    With Republicans, just like Democrats, it is about controlling and manipulating people’s behavior. It’s just a matter of which end of the spectrum gets to do it. I trust both parties about as far as I can throw them, which, with my old arthritic arms, is not very far. (Unless they are very small Republicans or Democrats.)
    Heads up: Good response to George’s column in today’s Union.

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  22. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    It is hell getting old.

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  23. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I read the opinion piece and it is truly a piece is socialism. The business of business is business. I have worked at businesses where the owner was the greatest and the employees spit on his picture when his back was turned becasue they were jealous of his success and he was an “owner”. I started my own business so I could be the boss of me and I treated my employees very well yet I heard the blow-back of some. The employee is a component of the product an until the person does his own component and risks his own capital there is no understanding about that apparently by people like the author. The business model for capitalism is, the strongest survive, or now, only with government money since the regulatory environment is so onerous.
    What I find interesting about the author is the same old crap of a black and white result in his mind. If you say too much regulation he uses an extreme example to try and show how amoral the people running the business are. I would suggest he go try and raise his money for say, the United Way or the Red Cross from a Chinese company. Good luck!Americans are the most giving and caring people in the history of the planet and the author just can’t take off the socialist blinders to give the people any credit. Too bad for him.

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  24. RL Crabb Avatar

    There is some truth in both views of the employer/employee complaints. It’s just human nature. That both parties have degenerated into the realm of absolutes is where the present gridlock lies. There is a necessary need for some government protections to maintain the balance, but it has clearly gone too far. Likewise, free markets need some restraint to prevent economic disasters.
    I’ve asked the question before…Where will the new jobs come from in an age of mechanized industry and cheap foreign labor? Totally dismantling the social safety net will lead to the kind of societal breakdown that will only benefit the prison industry.

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  25. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I don’t disagree the government has a place as the referee in some cases. What has happened though is a huge overreach into the daily workings of even the smallest business regarding the rules for employees. We see the results all around us. The jobs fled. Being in the construction industry I saw the illegals all over the job-site. Why were they there? People hired them off the books, paid cash, didn’t have to deal with the government rules and these people did a good job and did not complain. I am not condoning it but I understand it. That is now the problem. But human nature will not allow a rollback or diminution of the rules because no one will carry a bill to do that. So, we see more and more rules just in California. There is no painless example I can give except to depoliticize the government overreach. Ain’t gonna happen. Also, until Civil Service is overhauled we will never see change because a government employee will be protected at all costs even the one that closed the restaurants all over the place. Multiply that activity and then ask yourself would you want to become a cog supplying money in the gears of government?

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  26. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    Why don’t we do what Canada did to get out of the recession in a prompt manner. Or what North Dakota is doing with their modern day huge boom towns springing up and the biggest problem is housing thousands of new workers. Why don’t we do what Reagen did when he faced high unemployment? Why don’t we drill, baby, drill…it would help us in these tight times by lower gas prices, which would help every working stiff and job seeker in America. I am talking job creation now, not in 2050. Of course lower gas prices would mean we all would have a little more at the end of the month to salt away in our saving accounts to save up and buy a solar panel or Volt. Less expense for our local bus company as well, and might even extend the operating budget of Telecare. Its a win-win situation.

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  27. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Mr. C,,, IMM comes to mine about you question about “.Where will the new jobs come from in an age of mechanized industry and cheap foreign labor?”. But when it comes to IMM, the “cheap foreign labor” won’t be an issue here. But that’s just a guess.
    Mine workers get paid VARY well. I can run one of those machines.
    Above ground or under. I have also operated crushing machinery.
    But kids these days don’t want to start at the bottom and work their way up. They want to walk through the door, and get paid the same as someone who has been there for years. Who teaches them that kind of thinking?

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  28. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    “Why don’t we do what Canada did to get out of the recession…” Well fact one major reason Canadian banking and thier economy did not tank like the USA is because of their good banking regulations. Canada also has not had a massive amount of real estate and home loan defaults… why?
    Canadaian banks have requirement standards for high deposits to loan ratios and no put little to nothing down to buy a house scams, many residential purchases bring cash or mostly cash to the purchase and they didn’t use their homes as ATM machines.
    Canadian bank and lending regulations kept their banks on firm footing and kept them flush… no massive bank or Wall Street bailouts took place.

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  29. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    LOL Steve,,You never cease to amaze. Now Canada is Great? But bitch when one of their companies want to open here and make jobs.

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  30. Brad Croul Avatar
    Brad Croul

    The government should get out of the jobs creation business. They will, of course, indirectly create jobs by funding infrastructure projects. etc.
    Banks should get out of the wealth creation business and go back to being the place where you can safely stash money.
    This whole jobs mantra boils down to supply and demand. Either there is no demand and that is why jobs are scarce, or the supply for the demand is being manufactured offshore. I heard Mexico has a lower unemployment rate than the US these days. Will we be seeing a great migration to the south?

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  31. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    steven enos, you are 100% correct about the Canadian Banking system. They are not concerned with poor folk getting house as we do here in the good old USA. Banks in Canada actually hold mortgages…what a concept. All there are no 30 year loans in Canada. All loans are for a duration of 5 years. Every five years you have to go to the bank and prove your credit worthiness and report any changes in income and circumstances. If the bank deems you unworthy, you loan is denied, long time no come see. Yes, drilling oil from the shales saved their economy and tight regulations prevented those with only pipe dreams in their hands of from ever receiving loans they do not deserve. You are out of here, knuclehead! I suppose we would call that harsh and mean spirited, but they dodged the ACORN bullet.

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  32. Mikey McD Avatar

    http://mises.org/daily/447/Rothbard-Revises-the-History-of-the-Great-Depression
    “The Great Depression was a failure not of capitalism but of the hyperactive state.”

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  33. George Rebane Avatar

    “Freedom is just another word for deregulation”, so titled is Mr Gregg Littell’s response to my 8jun11 Union column (above). His article, published in the 14oct11 Union, is not so much a retort to my piece as it is a restatement of a progressive’s assessment of the evils of capitalism and free markets. Both of these are interpreted in their usual extreme, here with the introduction of the notion of ‘moral service’ which businesses apparently lack since they look at labor (i.e. jobs) as a cost entry in their ledgers.
    The title of the Mr Littell’s submission is of a piece with standard liberal prognostication – they ‘know’ what the conservatives ‘really mean’ when they use a given word or notion. Here the conservative’s use of ‘freedom’ is a see-through to ‘deregulation’, and not just any kind of deregulation. In a conservative’s deregulation Mr Littell sees a Mad Max world of no effective governance in a land that is actually ruled by rapacious anarcho-corporations fighting each other and their customers tooth and nail. And since Mr Littell claims my real meaning, it is against such a world that his piece is directed. I have discussed this debate tactic in the RR ‘The Liberal Mind’ category.
    Overall, I think Mr Littell’s piece is well written and argued as long as one accepts his premises.
    Re Van Jones’ political orientation. The man is indeed one of Lenin’s lads, and the disappearing act that online documentations of that self-described trait seem to be doing is further corroboration, especially now that the man is coming out to lead the masses who, above all, must first be bamboozled. For more on this, please google ‘van jones self-described communist’.

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  34. George Rebane Avatar

    Mike Thornton’s 623pm link is indeed a must read. It is EXACTLY the claimed “misrepresentation” of the Van Jones conference for a socialist America that I intended, right down to the call to “reclaim our democracy”.

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  35. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    From the Littell piece: “I want a clean and spacious environment, fair and ethical treatment of workers, reasonable regulation of business, honest media, affordable health care, and, as a civic duty, will work for that end.”
    Just a guess, Sean Hannity (who I tend to avoid) would probably say the same thing. The devil is in the details.
    Just taking health care… we’ve now had socialized health care for those over 65, paid by payroll taxes on the young, for almost six decades. Does anyone here think that the low reimbursement rates for medicare does not have anything to do with the skyrocketing rates paid by everyone else? Or that health care, with hidden rates and different charges depending on whether you are paying it yourself, have a good insurance policy or a bad insurance policy, or are on Medicare, has anything to do whatsoever with a free market?
    Most of us have no choice of insurers, either. We get what our employer chooses. This is NOT a free market.
    The internet has Godwin’s Law, that an argument is over when the first person resorts to Nazi analogies and in so doing, forfeits. I’d suggest a corollary… if you are drawing analogies with Big Tobacco, you have performed a forfeit.
    Regarding what Yosemite would look like if government didn’t own it… first, I don’t know anyone who wants no parklands. Littell is exaggerating both the imagined evil he’s railing against, and exaggerating the Utopia his views would result in. Second, I doubt any company would do worse damage than the City of San Francisco did in raping Hetch Hetchy in order to supply water to an otherwise unsustainable population.

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  36. RL Crabb Avatar

    I suppose health care will be much cheaper when insurers are no longer bound by having to cover pre-existing conditions. During the Wall St. occupation, I saw one twenty-something woman with a sign saying that she was already $200,000 in the hole because she had the misfortune to be born with a pre-existing condition and was uninsurable. If the reaction of the reactionaries at the Florida GOP debate is an indictator of what lies ahead, we’ll see cheering from the peanut gallery, and maybe a laugh track.

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  37. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Oh please “no name” Walt, I posted about the Canadian Banking system and their regulations and operation requirments, nothing more. I wasn’t say Canadia is 100% great and we need to be just like them.
    The Canadian banking system and their banks have not had the “problems” we have had and Europe has had. The Canadian bank model is a good one and we could use a lot of it here.

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  38. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    To have the Canadian bank model for mortgages, you’ll have to close down that New Deal Democratic Party sacred cow, the “Government Sponsored Entity” Fannie Mae and it’s frankenstein’s husband, Freddie Mac, created to have the illusion of competition. They are the main conduits of USA mortgage paper away from the originating mortgage banker.

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  39. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    It is always wise to learn a better way if there is one. Unfortunately liberals never learned that. They keep pushing for higher taxes and more regulations and we see what that has done to America and socialist Europe. What I don’t understand about the liberals desire for more rules is when is there enough rules? Our legislatures at all levels foist ten of thousands of rules every year. How many do we need? Amazing!

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  40. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    RLC, you apparently have missed something. If insurers don’t cover preexisting conditions now, there’s no upside for them if they won’t have to cover preexisting conditions in the future.
    The fact is they do cover preexisting conditions if you’re in a group risk pool. The problems with risk pools go back to the morphing of health care insurance into employer based risk pools where individuals got bounced if employment ceased.
    Health care insurance is very highly regulated by each and every state, and the Feds. We have what we have as a result of that regulation.
    Personally, I believe the preexisting condition problem could be mostly fixed by one simple regulation… if you were covered by insurance when the condition was diagnosed, it cannot be used in the future to deny you insurance coverage.

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  41. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    I would add that calling someone a communist or socialist should be a corollary as well; but that won’t happen, so I think fascist is still on the table. Goodwins Law does not apply here!

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  42. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac… a major part of the problem, a big part of the economic mess we are in. Toss in the Wal Street bankers and the Fed too. Also time to check out Fort Knox and see what’s inside… or not inside.
    In addition I’m a big supporter of gun rights… and I’m sure many posters here label me a “Lib”.

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  43. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Frisch, calling someone a communist (have you found an instance of me doing that?) who has called themselves a communist isn’t anything like dredging up big tobacco when one is explaining how free enterprise is evil.
    The OWS rhetoric drips with ’60’s Marxist rhetoric. Be careful what you ask for, you may get it.

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  44. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    Perhaps not on topic of Misunderstanding Job Creation”, but here is a little news flash that shows some hope. People in the Administration might actually start to begin to commence to look at numbers and ask themselves “Can we afford it?” Oh, those pesky Republicans put in criteria of costing the taxpayer nothing and now one of Ted Kennedy’s last pieces of legislation is on the cutting room floor. Reminds me of that song “In the jungle the mighty jungle, the Lion of the Senate sleeps tonight, in the jungle the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps tonight (bridge) obama, obama obama, In the jungle….

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